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Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:29:40 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The need for effects?

* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

>* From: Elhardt@aol.com
>
><<<<The most needed (mandatory) effect for synths is reverb. It's 
going to
>sound sterile without that.>>>>
>
>>>Generally if you need to add chorus or reverb to a sound to 
"fatten" it, or
>"give it life", it is the fault of the programmer, not the synth or 
the patch
>in itself.<<
>
>This is about a 3 week old message, and I have been too busy to 
respond, but I
>can't let this one go without comment. Reverb is a necessity not an 
effect.
I still say not true. Good programming can add ambience and reflections and tone shaping (which is what true reverberation is) without needing to put on EVERY synth sound. 

>Virtually every performance of any type of music has some reverb. 
To have the
>your synth sound as if the sound is right in you ear is annoying and 
sterile
>sounding.
Depending on what type of sound you are using, or what you want to achieve.


>As for phase shifing, flanging, chorus, echo, etc.. Yes, those are effects that are used here and there. I don't know what kinds of 
sounds you
>are creating, but your comments seem to indicate that you are totally unfamiliar with history of quality synth music. 
My comments were very valid, and to be a good programmer one does not need a history lesson. However, I am well aware of the progression of synths, and music in general. I could sit here and flame you and make insulting comments saying that my music is probably far more inventive and original than yours, but I find no need. Unlike you, I don't just make blanket statements about another individual without knowing anything about them.

>If for example you want a
>huge dramatic string sound, a two oscillator synth patch with no 
effects is
>going to sound awful no matter how you program it. 
Well again, that depends. If you are after a completely tradition string sound, than I would agree that a two oscillator patch will general not provide a realistic emulation. I don't believe oscillators in general provide "realistic" emulations of most any acoustic instrument. One must turn to samples or preferably physical modelling for this.

However, if emulation of a "traditional" string sound is not your goal, then you can make an INCREDIBLE pad with two oscillators with "no effects". Resonance, filter settings, and pitch tweaked with LFO's can bring amazing animation to even a "two oscillator" patch. I myself am rarely after emulations and tend to go for the more interesting, new sounds, and I find very resonant animate pads that I've made on the virus simply incredible, as have those who have heard them, when their eyes light up and go... "WOW! Whats that?" 


>Run the sound trough a
>couple of stereo choruses, a little thickening delay, and thick 
reverb and you
>get those dramatic "Tomita" sounding strings for example. 
Again, if you are after a particular sound, do what you want. But I still insist that chorus can be achieved just as well via detuning, and a thickening by filter tweaking.

>With the price of
>digital effects units costing below $200 these days, there is NO 
reason any
>synth player shouldn't have decent reverb and other effects for use. 
In fact
>it is cutting reverb off of a sound to make it fly up into your ears 
which is
>the effect, not the other way around.
I don't know why anyone would not use any effects, or why anyone would not own a box either. They *DO* have their use, but as the message of my original post said far too many "electronic" artists drench their mixes in effects, making the mix sound muddy and unclear. Some of this can be fixed through better synth programming. A mix that can sound as "fat" or as "atmospheric" as a mix with twice as many effects will have more clarity, or more of a "in your face" sound. 

As to your removing reverb from a particular sound, I do agree that it is a good trick, because what happens is the sound jumps out of the mix more, which should tell you something. The reverse is also true, if you have a really prominant sound in the mix and want to make it seem more "distant" at a point in the mix, reverb is a great way of accomplishing that effect to. 

To conclude.. I *NEVER* stated reverb, chorus or delay were bad things. I love them.
However, to just assume that all synth sounds need reverb and without them sound bad, or the solution to a bland sound is to simply put some effects on it is a ridiculous one that far too many amateur synth programmers do. There are OTHER ways of making a sound have ambience, or more full, or more anything is ridiculous. 

In a "creative" field, there are many more than one way to do things. To limit yourself to any school of thought is for the foolish. 

Tim Anderson
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* From: "Howard Scarr" <HScarr@csi.com>

>Reverb is a necessity not an effect.
I like my stuff modular, and that means a choice of effect hardware. The ASR is the only instrument I've found with any decent internal effects. 

>I don't know what kinds of sounds you
>are creating, but your comments seem to indicate that you are totally unfamiliar with history of quality synth music. 
Why the put-down? What did the guy do except voice an opinion which is different from yours?

>huge dramatic string sound, a two oscillator synth patch with no effects is going to sound awful no matter how you program it. 
So your answer is to include reverb in all synths. At any cost? (see below) 

>Run the sound through a couple of stereo choruses, a little thickening delay, and thick reverb and you get those dramatic "Tomita" sounding strings...
OK, but the internal effects just aren't "thick". Some manufacturers try to make their cheap synths sound better by including cheap effects. It doesn't work (see Rave-o-lution for a prime example). You have to pay good money for good effects.

>With the price of digital effects units costing below $200 these days, there is NO reason any synth player shouldn't have decent reverb... 
You can't get good reverb for that price YET. Personally, I'm not prepared to pay $100 extra for each instrument I buy, just for some crappy reverb I have to defeat.





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Subject: Re: The need for effects?

* From: dylan@pixar.com


>What about the new Lexicon you can get for alittle over $200 , probably better than most built-in effects
>dihm

It's no Lexicon, but Guitar Center is blowing out the Alesis Wedge for $99.00 this weekend I think..... Pretty great price! 

Dylan


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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 

* From: Elhardt@aol.com

<<I still say not true. Good programming can add ambience and reflections and tone shaping (which is what true reverberation is) without needing to put on EVERY synth sound.>>

First of all, my original comment was made in response to someone who said, "I plugged some headphones into the back of the Virus, it I don't think it sounded that great." And to someone else who said he didn't have a good reverb so he doesn't use one. Then you came along and said you turned off your effects for good. All these people running without reverb? Something is wrong. Maybe there is a patch or two on the Virus that doesn't need reverb, but in general it just sounds lousy without it. 

<<I could sit here and flame you and make insulting comments saying that my music is probably far more inventive and original than yours, but I find no need. Unlike you, I don't just make blanket statements about another individual without knowing anything about them.>> 

I was of coarse responding to your blanket statement, that if a synthesist needs effects he is probably not a good programmer. And that you just turned off all effects on one of your synths because they were bad effects. I too have used different techniques to at least extend the reverb times and make them sound larger, back when only spring reverbs were common, but there is still no substitute for reverb. I of coarse don't know what your music is like, but if it is any reflection of what has been coming out since the mid 80s to now, then there can't be much there. When I brought up emulating a Mellotron choir (lots of outboard effects needed), there were a lot of responses as to what a Mellotron was. Same problem happens when I mention Tomita, Carlos, Synergy, Vangelis, etc... Too many people haven't even heard synthesizer music to begin with. Instead all I hear about anymore is dance, hip hop, rap. This garbage has taken over and "synthesists" if you can call them that, don't even have a clue.

<<I don't believe oscillators in general provide "realistic" emulations of most any acoustic instrument. One must turn to samples or preferably physical modelling for this.>>

It is in fact this statement that leads me to beleive people don't realize just how close to realistic acoustic instrument sounds you can get, especially when you use effects in unconvensional ways. I might comment back that if one needs samplers and physical modeling that one is not a good synthesist. 

<<you can make an INCREDIBLE pad with two oscillators with "no effects". Resonance, filter settings, and pitch tweaked with LFO's can bring amazing animation to even a "two oscillator" patch.>> 

I have been hearing people raving about sounds on the Virus or sounds from some other synth. And when I hear these pads/patches I once again realize that they are not aware of how a synth can sound. I haven't heard any INCREDIBLE two oscillator pad sounds with no effects, come out of anything. Apparently your point of reference is different then mine. 

<<But I still insist that chorus can be achieved just as well via detuning, and a thickening by filter tweaking.>>

Detuning is the first step (pulse width modulation the second step), but if you want to get rid of a possible uniform oscillator beating, add a chosus effect to thicken, smooth out and add a much needed stereo effect. 

<<In a "creative" field, there are many more than one way to do things. To just assume that all synth sounds need reverb and without them sound bad.> 

The only way to do reverb is with reverb. I am back to my original statement. If someone walks into a store, plugs headphones into the back of a Virus completely dry, then yes, it will sound sterile. Simulating an acoustically dead, sound absorbing room, results in a sterile sound. Two detuned oscillators, with LFO modulation and filter effects and no reverb gives a sterile sounding animated two oscillator patch. 

***Another persons comment:
<<Why the put-down? What did the guy do except voice an opinion which is different from yours?>>

He voices his opinion that's different from mine, and I voice one that's different than his. That's the purpose of a message board. 

***Still another persons comment:
<<You can't get good reverb for that price YET ($200). Personally, I'm not prepared
to pay $100 extra for each instrument I buy, just for some crappy reverb I have to defeat.>>

Effects that are supposed to be low cost, high quality effects: Behringer Virtulizer ($175). Lexicon MX-100 ($219). Yamaha REV500 ($269). Boss SX-700 ($249)

Effects that may be OK for reverb and other stuff at less than $200 made by: Art, Dod, Zoom.

Just buy one good, two channel reverb/multi-effects unit and patch it into your effects sends/returns on your mixer. Then you can just adjust how much reverb you want per channel and all your synths will be using the same effects unit.
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* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Elhardt@aol.com
>
>wrong. Maybe there is a patch or two on the Virus that doesn't need reverb,
>but in general it just sounds lousy without it. 

The Virus also needs reverb, you're right! It sounds warmer that way and I was probably happier with a reverb then with a chorus. (but then again I have outboard FX too, so I'm not really complaining)

>80s to now, then there can't be much there. When I brought up emulating a Mellotron choir (lots of outboard effects needed), there were a lot of responses as to what a Mellotron was. Same problem happens when I mention Tomita, Carlos, Synergy, Vangelis, etc... Too many people haven't even heard
>synthesizer music to begin with. Instead all I hear about anymore is dance,
>hip hop, rap. This garbage has taken over and "synthesists" if you can call
>them that, don't even have a clue.

Mellotron NEEDS reverb (and some delay). If you do this without it, it just doesn't sound right. (and lots of reverb too :-))
(to my knowledge Vangelis never used a mellotron...listen to Tangerine Dream instead - melltron heaven!)
And I'm also NOT a fan of hiphop, d&b etc...it's so minimalistic music to my ears (this is all my own opinion of course) Glad I'm not the only one who thinks that way. 

>I have been hearing people raving about sounds on the Virus or sounds from some other synth. And when I hear these pads/patches I once again realize that they are not aware of how a synth can sound. I haven't heard any INCREDIBLE two oscillator pad sounds with no effects, come out of anything.
>Apparently your point of reference is different then mine. 

Pads coming from the Virus are very good...with fx even better :-) 

><<But I still insist that chorus can be achieved just as well via detuning,
>and a thickening by filter tweaking.>>

Not if you try to make a solina string ensemble or whatever...then you need ]that dirty chorus :-)

Marcel
Music-page	:http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email		:fsp@wxs.nl

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Subject: OT: Plugins

* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

To all infected!

I'm sorry this is a bit off-topic: anyone out there who could tell me how to program Audio-plugins? I hate to buy them, and anyway: if I need a compressor I still use a waveeditor.
I'd like to do some silly things that maybe sound great. Anyway I'd like to be able to port simple ideas into Logic. I don't really mind which major format. I use LAW/P, but since I plan to buy Wavelab I also wouldn't mind some VST advice... 

BTW, I can handle C and Turbo-Pascal (and Basic and JavaScript <eg>), even though I never managed to use C++ (I use the students edition of TC++ 2.0 which was quite cheap).

Thanks for any help,

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* From: Don Ihm <dihm@boink.net>

Interesting comments and opinions. Music is music and the bottom line is alot of the time crap sells. But what is my opinion of crap, well I try to keep my comments of others work to my self most of the time......As far as effects, I agree that reverb is necessarry to make things seem real, if that is what you want. Remember we don't Need effects but want or choose to use them. The reason the Virus doesn't sound good through headphones is because that signal is weak. I only had a minute or two through the store's monitors to hear the Virus, then I had to put the headphones on. I could barely hear what I was playing, and the unit was picked up by the Rep. Now they won't stock another one, so I can't say I got a good spin on the red monster :(
thanks for your list. I'll keep listening dihm



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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 

* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

Digital delay and chorus effects can be achieved with a fairly limited amount of DSP power, but a half-decent reverb is MUCH more DSP intensive. Presumably the Virus uses the main DSP to do effects. To pull off reverb with the main DSP would probably require the sacrifice of a filter, oscillator, or other function. Either that, or Access would have had to add another DSP, increasing the cost. 

I'm quite happy with the Virus the way it is. (That is, if I could get it to communicate SYSEX with my QY700 - but that is a different story) 

- Ronald.
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Organization: Laughing Buddha Music Productions Subject: Hardware or software fault?

* From: Buddha <buddha@dial.pipex.com>

Dear Virus Development Team,
I have a problem with my Virus.
There is a loud distorted, crackling sound coming out of the outputs. 

This pulses at roughly 172 bpm in an infinite feedback loop. It's something to do with the delay because when I switch the delay outputs, it follows.
Similarly if I switch to auxes 1 or 2 the sound stops. (until I select another program/multi.)
I am also able to flange the sound by adjusting the delay rate, depth and feedback parameters.
Sadly the sound doesn't stop if I set the delay feedback to 0. Neither does adjusting the tempo (in clock multi or single ) affect the rate.
In fact

I have tried switching the machine on and off. I have also tried the system reset,( that is, holding down the 2 lfo shape buttons and powering ) up several times, with and without reloading
the factory banks and multis.
I have reloaded the operating system (v.1.54) all to no avail. It still makes the (loud) pulsing noise as soon as I power up and continues ad infinitum.

Would you tell me whether this is a hardware or software fault? I have had the machine for 2 weeks.

I hope this has been of some help.

Bill Halsey


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* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

just me 2 cents fellas

i think the built in chorus and delay is a vital part to the virus sound!!! along witht the panaorama control its what really makes the virus stand out
as far as sysex, etc the virus gets alog with my mac-logic, and old atari's -M and realtime, fine

i have a studioquad and lexicon for my nord and pulses 

weld
anxiously awaiting kraftwerks new CD
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* From: Guenther Albrecht <saliter@pan.com> 

a strange discussion is going on. religious & heretics fight for the truth.
so let me put more oil into the fire:

>I might comment back that if one
>needs samplers and physical modeling
>that one is not a good synthesist.

depends what your definition of good synthesist is. if you use sampler & physical modeling to make good sounds/music i would prefer your thing to bad analogue boredom. as a saxophone player, i am very fond of the control possibilities on the Yamaha VL. or can you growl into another synth with similar outcome?

>people don't realize just how close to realistic acoustic instrument sounds you can get

who cares? if you want strings, use strings. if you need horns, i play it
for you. show me a saxophone patch that does not sound like a cheap imitation (even when produced on a sampler) when used in a solo. i can imagine that good programming in long long hours of work may produce natural sounding patches, but i think that this sweat is produced in vain - please let a synth sound like nothing we ever heard before! that is why these were made...

regards

.g.a.


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Subject: OT: Favorite CDs

* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

Hi!

For I'm quite fed up with the German charts - why wouldn't anyone who likes to mail me his favorite CDs? I don't mind the musical style at all, as long as you like it. (BTW: My favorites: X-Press 2 (on Ministry Of Sound): "Late Night Sessions", Peter Gabriel: "Passion", Massive Attack: "Protection") 

If there are enough replys I also think of putting them together in a mail or on a webpage so anyone could be able to have a look at it. Maybe you better mail privately for it's way off topic ;) 

Thanks,

Martin

P.S.: Diehst Du die Sonne ueber dem Meer??? In Hamburg scheint sie gerade. Das ich das noch erleben durfte...!
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* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 


>First of all, my original comment was made in response to someone 
who said, "I
>plugged some headphones into the back of the Virus, it I don't think 
it
>sounded that great." And to someone else who said he didn't have a 
good
>reverb so he doesn't use one. Then you came along and said you 
turned off
>your effects for good. All these people running without reverb? 
Something is
>wrong. Maybe there is a patch or two on the Virus that doesn't need 
reverb,
>but in general it just sounds lousy without it. 
Not true. I said on my K2000 I turned off its internal effects for good, because they suck and have a horrid noise floor, which in turn taught me quite a bit about programming without relying on effects to "fatten" or "animate" a sound. It's definately not that I do not use effects ever.

>I was of coarse responding to your blanket statement, that if a 
synthesist
>needs effects he is probably not a good programmer. 
This is *NOT* what I said. Go back and read my message. I said far too many people rely on effects, and many of them could do without many of these effects just by programming. Every song needs some effects, and effects are good. But I did state that too many people use effects to fatten up bad synth sounds, or to animate bad pads, or whatever. But thats not saying that everyone does it, nor does it say that with good programming there is still no use for effects. 

>And that you just turned
>off all effects on one of your synths because they were bad effects. 
I too
>have used different techniques to at least extend the reverb times 
and make
>them sound larger, back when only spring reverbs were common, but 
there is
>still no substitute for reverb. I of coarse don't know what your 
music is
>like, but if it is any reflection of what has been coming out since 
the mid
>80s to now, then there can't be much there. 
Are you saying all synth music from the mid 80s to now is garbage? This is ridiculous. Or are you just refering to the "pop" side of music? I *HATE* the ridiculous pompous asses who sit around talking about the good old days. I like some older music, but there are some great artists out now who are doing things that could not have been possible in the early "80s" or "70s" or whatever. Maybe we should all sit at your holy temple of thought and listen to the artists you approve of.
Have you ever heard of individuality, or of doing your own thing? Only a complete close minded idiot is going to say "there can't be much there" when referring to ALL music made since the mid-80's to now. 


>When I brought up emulating a
>Mellotron choir (lots of outboard effects needed), there were a lot of responses as to what a Mellotron was. Same problem happens when I 
mention
>Tomita, Carlos, Synergy, Vangelis, etc... Too many people haven't 
even heard
>synthesizer music to begin with. Instead all I hear about anymore 
is dance,
>hip hop, rap. This garbage has taken over and "synthesists" if you 
can call
>them that, don't even have a clue.
I don't really listen to much straight dance music, or especially hip hop or rap. The repetitive beats and "generic" synth sounds are not really my idea of an entertaining listen. However, as this music is called dance, some of it, though I could whip up better "tracks" in 10 minutes, is very good for a "dance" floor. I've had a blast dancing to things I could never dream of listening to listening to music while I read during my lunch hour, at home working out, or at home relaxing or having a good time.

BTW I cannot stand the "cheesy" sound of a mellotron. Its laughable in my opinion, but thats just subjective.


>It is in fact this statement that leads me to beleive people don't 
realize
>just how close to realistic acoustic instrument sounds you can get, 
especially
>when you use effects in unconvensional ways. I might comment back 
that if one
>needs samplers and physical modeling that one is not a good 
synthesist.
I don't believe thats true. You can get close, but I've said "realistic". Give me a break. Throw all the analog synth emulations of acoustic instruments and I'll spot every one. Wendy Carlos herself, one of your cited sources, states the same thing. Is she not a good synthesist? As a matter of fact, she's a huge kurzweil fan also, and in an article also commented on its horrid internal effects. 


>I have been hearing people raving about sounds on the Virus or 
sounds from
>some other synth. And when I hear these pads/patches I once again 
realize
>that they are not aware of how a synth can sound. I haven't heard any INCREDIBLE two oscillator pad sounds with no effects, come out of 
anything.
>Apparently your point of reference is different then mine. 
Funny that the artists you love from back didn't have all the digital reverbs, and effects that you love and use, and did have to rely on a two oscillator pad sounding great. Have you ever heard Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamonds? Amazing synthesis work, and guess what, I've read articles with Rick Wright, and its amazing, but there was no reverb on that sound.

>Detuning is the first step (pulse width modulation the second step), 
but if
>you want to get rid of a possible uniform oscillator beating, add a 
chosus
>effect to thicken, smooth out and add a much needed stereo effect. 


><<In a "creative" field, there are many more than one way to do 
things. To
>just assume that all synth sounds need reverb and without them sound 
bad.>
>
>The only way to do reverb is with reverb. I am back to my original 
statement.
>If someone walks into a store, plugs headphones into the back of a 
Virus
>completely dry, then yes, it will sound sterile. Simulating an 
acoustically
>dead, sound absorbing room, results in a sterile sound. Two detuned oscillators, with LFO modulation and filter effects and no reverb 
gives a
>sterile sounding animated two oscillator patch. 
Room ambience can be recorded via an amp and a microphone. Digital reverb is not the only solution, and I stand by my above statement. 


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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>third: the whole virus hangs, and does not react to its knobs. (very often, too )
>i am still using os 1.53 .
>Does anybody have similar problems or do you think it is a hardware problem?
AFAIK this should be much better with 1.54. YOu can download it at www.tsi-gmbh.com

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* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: "Joachim Glasstetter" <GlassJo@vs.dasa.de> 
>
>Hello List,
>i am not very happy with my virus, and i wonder if my problems point to a hardware failure:
>first: I use the virus sometimes to control parameters of my A3000 sampler. the controller values which are sent out of the midi out when i turn the knobs suddenly start to contain strange values (very often). I can proof this with my sequencer. The only way to solve this problem is to switch the virus off and then on and there occurs a second problem: second : a very loud pop noise that is independend from the master volume knob is produced when i switch the virus on. not nice in a live performance...
>third: the whole virus hangs, and does not react to its knobs. (very often, too )
>i am still using os 1.53 .
>Does anybody have similar problems or do you think it is a hardware problem?

Hi Joachim,

I also had some hang-ups with the Virus in the past. Do you use Midi-thru? (sot Midi-thru).

I see that you're using 1.53. When I had v1.53 and had turned on soft midi thru (even when not using it) it sometimes hanged. This problem is solved with v1.54. After that everything seems to be working alright now.

Hope this will help, because I think it's still one of the best synths from the past 5 years!

Marcel
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* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 
>
>BTW I cannot stand the "cheesy" sound of a mellotron. Its laughable in my opinion, but thats just subjective.

IMO, the best sound that ever came from a synth/sampler! But only after hearing in groups like Tangerine Dream, Pulsar, Genesis etc. NOT Beatles or Moody Blues (although it fits there very nicely) But thats just a taste matter.

About whether chorus/reverb or not:
I think everybody should think for himself whether to use reverb/chorus or not. It just doesn't matter if he/she 'finds' her sound with/without extra fx.

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* From: "Joachim Glasstetter" <GlassJo@vs.dasa.de> 

Hello List,
i am not very happy with my virus, and i wonder if my problems point to a hardware failure:
first: I use the virus sometimes to control parameters of my A3000 sampler. the controller values which are sent out of the midi out when i turn the knobs suddenly start to contain strange values (very often). I can proof this with my sequencer. The only way to solve this problem is to switch the virus off and then on and there occurs a second problem: second : a very loud pop noise that is independend from the master volume knob is produced when i switch the virus on. not nice in a live performance...
third: the whole virus hangs, and does not react to its knobs. (very often, too )
i am still using os 1.53 .
Does anybody have similar problems or do you think it is a hardware problem?

Joachim

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* From: paul@softroom.demon.co.uk (Paul Nagle) 

On Mon, 3 Aug 1998 03:53:26 -0700 (PDT), access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>effects are good. But I did state that too many people use effects to fatten up bad synth sounds, or to animate bad pads, or whatever. But 
Where does the synth stop and the effects start? These days they're all DSP anyway - a sound produced by a modern synth can be a complete item in itself. Would you count a filter as "synth" or "effects"? Does it matter?

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* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 11:24 PM +0200 on 02.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>Instead all I hear about anymore is dance, hip hop, rap. This garbage has taken over and "synthesists" if you can call them that, don't even have a clue.

hey hey, listen to yourself. Did you see the movie "Trainspotting"? The part when the protagonist enters the club? All they play is techno. "The Music has changed" they tell him. It's true. look around yourself. There are people who have grown up and the first synth they heard was in a Duran Duran track. Why is that worse? Why is that better? Well, I don't think it's either. It's just a fact that things like this change. Just like tastes change and differ...

I happen to like hip hop and rap. I like other styles of electronic music too, but I just can't relate to Vangelis. I accept him as someone who has written intersting stuff, just nothing that I like to listen to really. I prefer not to be offended by your comments about "This garbage". That's just the nineties. Sorry, mate.


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Subject: Access speaks about control smoothing 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 


ACCESS remarks to Midi Clock

Hello, Access List!

And now some comments and explainations about the Controller Smooth feature. 

We introduced the Adaptive Control Smoothing algorithm for soft and analog parameter changes by Midi.
Due to the fact that it was designed for continuous parameter changes, it produces glitches, when sudden parameter changes occur, produced by Step Sequencers or programmed in Soft Sequencers. 

Generally, there is not enough information in the midi data float to detect, whether a sudden change is received or a fast continuous change. If a synth doesn't produce those glitches, it doesn't provide a smoothing feature!

We are considering to include a feature to make the Adaptive Control Smoothing switchable.


But there is more to discuss:

Other synthesizers like the Nord Lead (II) and Microwave II/XT provide similar smoothing features that will also produce glitches on fast parameter changes. Since parameter smoothing is not an error but a common feature of modern synthesizers, why don't the Step Sequenzer companies include a feature to predelay the control messages? They should know this problem since years! 

If you record or edit control messages on a soft sequencer, you should do this on a separate track that only contents the controllers. Then it is easy to predelay just this track, or rerecord and edit the control messages. 

If you want to create a hard gater effect, you can easily control the volume by LFO1 -> FILT GAIN, Shape:Pulse, synced to Midi Clock. 

Or: Gate the sound by an Input-Sound (dynamic) on another channel, that is linked to the original by the virtual aux paths. This is a little more advanced, but gives the opportunity to control the Attack and Release precisely and individually.


Thanks for your support

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* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

Hallo Martin,

Die Frage nach den Lieblingsplatten ist bestimmt ein Stock im Ameisenhaufen... Wieviele Mails bekommst Du so am Tag?...;) 

Ich will gerne auch einige nennen und schreibe einfach die ersten 10 meiner CDs die mir einfallen ohne Ordnung:

Portishead: Dummy
so eine schöne Platte. Trip hop ist zwar ein doofes Wort, wenn es so schöne Musik beschreibt, sollte man es wieder benutzen. 

Laurie Anderson: Big Science
Laurie Anderson hat eine so schöne Stimme und hat schon 1981 oder so eine unglaubliche Elektronikplatte gemacht. Oh Superman kennst Du vielleicht auch.

Download: The Eyes of Stanley Pain
Ziemlich krass, Lärm, Industrial, aber unglaubliche Transparenz und vielfalt, ausgefeilteste Sounds und wirklich gut zu hören und zu tanzen 

Massive Attack: Rising Son
die erste Single vom neuen Album. War zwar auch in den Charts, 

Gus Gus: Polyesterdays
Sehr entspannte Weirdness aus Island. Hört man. 

Dr. Walker & M.Flux: Some Cockrockin' Beats Gut tanzbar, aber nicht so richtig homelistening Scheibe. Aber gut und groovy. Virususer.

The Golden Palominos: Dead Inside
Bill Laswell macht so viel, vieles geht auch echt daneben. Dies hier nicht Superschräge sounds, eine wunderschöne Stimme, leider gibt es sie nur noch als import.

Nearly God: Heaven
Tricky unter falschem Namen. deep...;)

Underworld: Second toughest in the Infants meine lieblingstechnoplatte. Sie lassen sich sooooo o o o viel Zeit um ihre SOngs zu entwicklen. Unglaublich. Juanita ist mein lieblingsstück. Definitiv...

Biosphere: Patshnik
Ambient, Bekannt aus einer Levi's Werbung... 



Ich könnte noch unzählige auflisten, aber das hilft nichts.... 


At 9:49 AM +0200 on 03.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>
>
>Hi!
>
>For I'm quite fed up with the German charts - why wouldn't anyone who likes to mail me his favorite CDs? I don't mind the musical style at all, as long as you like it. (BTW: My favorites: X-Press 2 (on Ministry Of Sound): "Late Night Sessions", Peter Gabriel: "Passion", Massive Attack: "Protection") 
>
>If there are enough replys I also think of putting them together in a mail or on a webpage so anyone could be able to have a look at it. Maybe you better mail privately for it's way off topic ;) 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Martin
>
>P.S.: Diehst Du die Sonne ueber dem Meer??? In Hamburg scheint sie gerade. Das ich das noch erleben durfte...!
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* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 


>>people don't realize just how close to realistic acoustic instrument sounds you can get
>
>who cares? if you want strings, use strings. if you need horns, i play it
>for you. show me a saxophone patch that does not sound like a cheap imitation (even when produced on a sampler) when used in a solo. i can imagine that good programming in long long hours of work may produce natural sounding patches, but i think that this sweat is produced in vain - please let a synth sound like nothing we ever heard before! that is why these were made...

AMEN!
This is my point exactly.

Whenever someone really knows how to play an instrument, they can easily tell a cheap synth emulation.. The control possibilities and "randomness" of "acoustic" instruments are not captured yet in synths.. But who cares? What synths are great for is making NEW sounds, expanding new horizons not possible on acoustic instrumentation. Granted, for convienence sake, I do appreciate being able to use some "emulations" when the need arises for a particular sound, but thats it. However, I rarely want that. I enjoy something fresh that I've never heard before.

But sadly, too many synthesists don't even think of these terms in regards to synths. They want to know how to emulate such and such synth, or how to make a bass drum sound as in such and such a track. Not that I have a problem with using sounds that are "generic" in some cases, but the point is make your own sound. Make it fresh, make it exciting.


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* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

>>BTW I cannot stand the "cheesy" sound of a mellotron. Its 
laughable in
>>my opinion, but thats just subjective. 
>
>IMO, the best sound that ever came from a synth/sampler! But only after hearing in groups like Tangerine Dream, Pulsar, Genesis etc. NOT Beatles or Moody Blues (although it fits there very nicely) But thats just a taste matter.
Well, I like some Tangerine Dream, and in that contexct it is good. And I agree with you, it is just a matter of taste. If someone loves on, and decides to use one, it doesn't make them a inferior, or superiour synthesist to me. It just makes them different, and I am glad this world is full of different things, and not sterile, the same, and boring.

>About whether chorus/reverb or not:
>I think everybody should think for himself whether to use 
reverb/chorus
>or not. It just doesn't matter if he/she 'finds' her sound 
with/without
>extra fx.
I agree entirely.

All I ever suggested to begin with is that far too many people use chorus/delay to fatten up synth sounds that are poorly programmed to begin with. I just thought that it might help some people to not turn to those effects immediately as a solution to a weak sound, and to try modulating the pad in different ways, detuning the oscillators, changing filter/resonance settings, envelopes, whatever, and then seeing how they fit. One who turns to effects ALL the time as the solution with a sort of "fix it in the mix" mentality probably is doing him/herself a disservice.

Another problem is that like too many guitarists who sit around and try to make their guitar sound "killer" when playing on their own, they don't realize that once you add bass/drums/etc, you don't need all the extra frequencys some of them eq into their sound, and as a result muddy up a track. Too many effects, or too "wet" of effects can muddy up a track.

Remember it helps to tweak your patches, and effects while the rest of the mix is going on for a more accurate picture. Programming all your sounds/effects isolated will not lead to the best mix possible. 

Also, obviously the question lies in what type of music are we discussing. For "ambience" a really washed out, extremely reverberated sound could be just what your after. In a more aggressive, in your face mix, a wash of effects probably won't be ideal. 

My original post was intended as a helpful suggestion. I've noticed its become some sort of "I know more than you do..." type of battle, which really is ridiculous. I'm certainly not out to prove to anyone on the list anything. On the internet too many people like to sit around and be authorities on subjects, and particular in artistic fields you have lots of failed, bitter people sitting around with nothing better to do than put down others. 

Hey, I hope everyone here is successful, but it's no skin off my back if you aren't. Think about my advice, disregard it, get offended by it, I don't care, but maybe someone will benefit. 

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* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 9:15 PM +0200 on 03.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>Where does the synth stop and the effects start? These days they're all DSP anyway - a sound produced by a modern synth can be a complete item in itself. Would you count a filter as "synth" or "effects"? Does it matter?

I like this statement a lot. And you should even expand this to: what's the difference between samplers and wavetable synths and stuff like that going to be in a few years from now? All these machines grow together so fast, it's frighteningly exciting.

btw, guitarists have had this problem for a while. A guitar sound is not produced by the guitar, nor guitar plus effects. You need a decent (most of the time 4x12") speaker to filter the sound in a "fat" way... So the Amp and the speaker become a part of the sounds and thus a part of the instrument needed to produce a particular guitarist's personal sound.. 


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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 1:23 AM +0200 on 03.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>Interesting comments and opinions. Music is music and the bottom line is alot of the time crap sells. But what is my opinion of crap, well I try to keep my comments of others work to my self most of the time 

I think it's really weird that most of us find it so easy to speak about the many things that we all hate. Be it music, neighbors, habits, "friends", you name it.

But try to make a list of things that you really like. Not necessarily CDs or stuff like that. More like the German magazine "JETZT" (monday supplement to the national newspaper Süddeutsche Zeitung) which features a list (contributed by readers) of things that make life worth living that particular week. If you try to make a list (every week, start today) it's funny how you realize how hard it can be to think of positive things instead of cursing everything all the time. And then to realize how much fun it is to think positive...

peace...!


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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 2 

* From: monokrom@sirius.com

Thanks Jay, I totally agree with you view on the FX war. Today, I was going to see about unsubscribing to this "ACCESS-LIST," if the unproductively hadn't stopped.

-Monokrom (Today)
-Monokromed (Yesterday)

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 
>
>Just how productive is this conversation, in the context of using the Access Virus to write music?
>
>Not very, since the Virus has built-in effects and you're hard-put to remove them if you don't want them. And I think it's fair to say that the Access Virus' effects are pretty damned cool. 
>
>So, maybe we could just tone it down a bit, keep the "Access Virus, Use Of - Both Awesome and Astounding" vibe growing a bit, and let this "Effects" Holy War die a slow death for now, at least unless someone works out a way to make it productive in the context of this specific mailing list... 
>
>j.
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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 2 

* From: Elhardt@aol.com

<<Generally if you need to add chorus or reverb to a sound to "fatten" it, or "give it life", it is the fault of the programmer>> 

Back on reverb. You don't use reverb to fatten, but for natural room ambience. For some reason this (need for reverb) keeps degenerating into fattening or animating sounds. I am glad that most other people who responded agreed with me, in that reverb in general is needed and adds warmth. 

<<Room ambience can be recorded via an amp and a microphone. Digital reverb is not the only solution, and I stand by my above statement.>> 

I never said that the reverb had to be digital. But that is about the only practical way for most people to get reverb these days. It also gives you many different types of reverb, not just the same sounding room. 

<<Are you saying all synth music from the mid 80s to now is garbage? This is ridiculous. Or are you just refering to the "pop" side of music?>> 

I didn't mean ALL is garbage. But most in general. And even the best doesn't match what was done before. Even most of early synthesists and keyboardists music that I speak of, has itself degenerated as they come out with new stuff. I made a blanket statement the same way somebody might say "Movies just aren't as good these days as they used to be." Doesn't mean that a good one might not pop out from the vast sea of crummy ones now and again. 

<<I *HATE* the ridiculous pompous asses who sit around talking about the good old days. I like some older music, but there are some great artists out now who are doing things that could not have been possible in the early "80s" or "70s" or whatever. Maybe we should all sit at your holy temple of thought and listen to the artists you approve of.>>. 

If you put Tomitas' "Cosmos" or "Firebird" for example, into you CD player, you will find out that you are wrong. What is being put out now hasn't yet even caught up. This is the problem. Why woundn't any synthesist want to hear the pinacle or his artform ? Why not hear the artists who got voted top studio synthesists year to year ? Why not hear how colorful and original music used to be ? Of coarse they should listen. Would a great author not read and study other quality works before writing a book ? Doesn't a great painter look at other paintings ? There are only a handful a synthesists. They are each just one man who sits in a studio, and does everything himself on synthesizers and keyboards. And every synthesist should have an interest in hearing what they have done. You will hear sounds you have never heard before and interesting uses of effects you never thought of. 

<<Have you ever heard of individuality, or of doing your own thing? Only a complete close minded idiot is going to say "there can't be much there" when referring to ALL music made since the mid-80's to now.>> 

The problem with music in general since the mid-80's is people aren't doing their own thing. Because our culture is based on being trendy, everbody does the same thing. Every ad for a synth, every review has to bring up dance music now. Because that is the latest thing. One moron puts an earing in his ear, pretty soon every other mindless robot does the same thing so he can be one of the masses. The 80's were the start of the age of mediocrity. It is the musician who is not familiar with the wide range of synth music who is the one with a narrowly focused mind. He is the one who will continue the same old crap. Your assumptions are wrong about early synth music because you haven't heard it.

<<BTW I cannot stand the "cheesy" sound of a mellotron. Its laughable in my opinion, but thats just subjective.>>

I was surprised myself to see such a following. A simple purchase of "The Classical Choir" or "Hallelujah" CD-ROMs for your sampler will give a person far better and cleaner vocal chorus sounds. 

***Regarding emulating real instruments: <<I don't believe thats true. You can get close, but I've said "realistic". Give me a break. Throw all the analog synth emulations of acoustic instruments and I'll spot every one. Wendy Carlos herself, one of your cited sources, states the same thing. Is she not a good synthesist? As a matter of fact, she's a huge kurzweil fan also, and in an article also commented on its horrid internal effects.>>

You haven't heard the right stuff. There is even a problem with Walter/Wendy Carlos on this point. One of the most realistic brass imitations ever comes from Carlos' Modular Moog. I haven't heard anything come from her digital synths or samplers that sound even close. She goes on to say how great digital is at acoustic simulation and then disproves herself with a cheesy sounding violin (sounds like an electronic organ preset). With the right equipment analog can come far closer then you think. Listen to Tomita and you hear a kettle drum hear, orchestra hit there, full out orchestra in another place, and they sound better then just about any sampler I have ever heard. I haven't heard anything in the past 10 years to match it. BTW, Carlos was best at doing stuff that was unique to synths, and that was not imitative synthesis.

<<Funny that the artists you love from back didn't have all the digital reverbs, and effects that you love and use, and did have to rely on a two oscillator pad sounding great. Have you ever heard Pink Floyd's Shine On You Crazy Diamonds? Amazing synthesis work, and guess what, I've read articles with Rick Wright, and its amazing, but there was no reverb on that sound.>> 

The artists I love, from back then DID have all the effects I love and use. They all had reverb (whether plate, spring, chamber) doesn't matter what kind. They had chorus units, flangers, phase shifters, pitch shifters, echo units. Absolutely wrong statement from someone not familiar with synth history. Guess what, reverb was used by all of them on virtually every piece of music. Most of them also used modular synths so there is no two oscillator limitation here either.

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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal #3 

* From: Elhardt@aol.com

<<I happen to like hip hop and rap. I like other styles of electronic music too, but I just can't relate to Vangelis. I accept him as someone who has written intersting stuff, just nothing that I like to listen to really. I prefer not to be offended by your comments about "This garbage". That's just the nineties. Sorry, mate.>>

God help me. Hip hop and rap? How can anyone want to listen to a bunch of crack smoking gangters angrily rapping in that idiotic black street slang. Vile, obnoxious, offensive filth it is. It all sounds the same. It's not even technically music. Vangelis? His music is so different from album to album he can't really be pinned down to any one style, but at his best, he actually has things like melody, satisfying cord progressions, climaxes here and there. Yah, who would want that in music ? In fact, musical qualities like these have been disappearing from most music. All culture is lost on this generation. Things of value and quality are hard to acheive. Few can do them. But any little punk off the street can pick up a mic and spew out a bunch of vulgar rap to further corrupt. Yes, quality can be measured and judged. Especially when the gap is so damn huge. **********	**********
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Subject: What kind of sounds? Share them! Second try. 

* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 


>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

>But sadly, too many synthesists don't even think of these terms in regards to synths. They want to know how to emulate such and such synth, or how to make a bass drum sound as in such and such a track. Not that I have a problem with using sounds that are "generic" in some cases, but the point is make your own sound. Make it fresh, make it exciting.

Hi,

this is kind of a philosophic discussion. On one side I agree with you - its fascinating to make new sounds and this should be a part of daily works to keep the playing kid in me safisfied. And also the consumers of my music.

The other side is that the people that maybe buy our music dont want to hear: a new BD, SD, HH, Bass, Leadsynth and and and in every song. You know what I want to say? I cant define electronic music new with every song I do, and I think this is not the reason to buy a good synth or to make electronic music.

It IS VERY important to have a tool that works. For me its important to program a sound Im thinking of in the shortest possible time. And O.K. if it should sound like this or like that thats no problem. Your real own sound is made in YOUR specific MIX not with 1,2 or 3 special sounds. Nobody (only maybe some other producers) will recognize this. And i want to make music for music comsumers and not for musicians or producers. 

I think the Virus is a very, very, very good tool for - special, unique sounds
- usual synth sounds

Its simply good for everything.

But: If you are such a freak - let us hear your great sounds! A few months ago I posted a message here, were I asked other Virus users to post me some of their unique sounds so we could all together put together a very nice sounding bank of new Virus sounds! Nothing happened. I posted a few of my maybe usual sounding but commecially very well working sounds to my web space at ftp://members.aol.com/brainray/Virus/Virman.ZIP Only a small example. No replies.
So why dont we all do a little bit of public work for our Virusbaby? What can we loose? If everyone put his best sounds to the list we can ALL benefit! I got a few very pretty sounds on my Virus designed by Nico Herz from Gods Groove (increadible pads!!!!!). I think he would agree im giving them to public domain if he knew something would come back. 

What do you think?

I think its a little bit boring only discussing a synth and hearing nothing! Look at other user groups as may be the Logic user group. A lots of people are sharing their Logic environment and lots of other stuff. There has also been a Logic users CD one can buy at low cost. And I am just helping Malte Rogacki to create and test the Sound Diver Adaption for the AN1x, which is a lots of work for me, because the AN1x sequencer is kind of unusable without an editor.... 

If you agree with me put your sounds to

ftp://members.aol.com/brainray/incoming/ 

Ill compile them for public download.

Just an idea.....

Ray






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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

Are we discussing a music style or a synth???? Both is a matter of taste!
More respect and tolerance please!!!!
Stop wars!
This is the wrong list for this -KIDS!!!!! 

Ray



access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: Elhardt@aol.com
>
><<I happen to like hip hop and rap. I like other styles of electronic music too, but I just can't relate to Vangelis. I accept him as someone who has written intersting stuff, just nothing that I like to listen to really. I prefer not to be offended by your comments about "This garbage". That's just the nineties. Sorry, mate.>>
>
>God help me. Hip hop and rap? How can anyone want to listen to a bunch of crack smoking gangters angrily rapping in that idiotic black street slang. Vile, obnoxious, offensive filth it is. It all sounds the same. It's not even technically music. Vangelis? His music is so different from album to album he can't really be pinned down to any one style, but at his best, he actually has things like melody, satisfying cord progressions, climaxes here and there. Yah, who would want that in music ? In fact, musical qualities like these have been disappearing from most music. All culture is lost on this generation. Things of value and quality are hard to acheive. Few can do
>them. But any little punk off the street can pick up a mic and spew out a bunch of vulgar rap to further corrupt. Yes, quality can be measured and judged. Especially when the gap is so damn huge. **********	**********
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Subject: Hello I need Help with my virus 

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>From: DjEliStar <DjEliStar@aol.com>
>Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:39:23 EDT
>To: jv@teklab.com
>Subject: Hello I need Help with my virus X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79
>Sender: jv@teklab.com
>
>Hi. I was just wondering how I can get some technical help with my new Virus. I am having problems with midi patch dump. Being as the company is based in germany, I have found it difficult to get anywhere. My W-mails go unanswered and calling the supplied german long distance number is a joke as you are greeted by a recording in german with no option to leave a message. With this kind of lacking tech support, my virus is heading back to the store unless some kind soul has some words of wisdom for me. I am hanging in limbo waiting for any response. Any would be greatly appreciated. 
>
>

j.

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Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 02:32:22 +0200
Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal #3 

* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

>God help me. Hip hop and rap? How can anyone want to listen to a bunch of crack smoking gangters angrily rapping in that idiotic black street slang. Vile, obnoxious, offensive filth it is. It all sounds the same. It's not even technically music. Vangelis? His music is so different from album to album he can't really be pinned down to any one style, but at his best, he actually has things like melody, satisfying cord progressions, climaxes here and there. Yah, who would want that in music ? In fact, musical qualities like these have been disappearing from most music. All culture is lost on this generation. Things of value and quality are hard to acheive. Few 
can do
>them. But any little punk off the street can pick up a mic and spew out a bunch of vulgar rap to further corrupt. Yes, quality can be measured and judged. Especially when the gap is so damn huge. 
I think normally no one should reply to this but please think of one thing: 

You shouldn't think about who composed, played and rapped that stuff. It will be some effort to come to this state of mind. But you should JUST LISTEN to the music. And believe me: as soon as you take a real good listen to "Regulate" by Warren G. and Nate Dogg, "Set Adrift On Memory Bliss" by PM Dawn or "California Love" by 2 Pac you wouldn't spam this list anymore. 

I bought myself a Maxi-CD called "Verpiss Dich" by a German "girl"-group called TicTacToe. They really suck, I don't like their voices and the text is nothing more than word without a meaning. But the music (esp. the guitar solo) are great. Everyone who told me: "You shouldn't own that record...!" told me the music IS quite good after being forced to listen by me. 

I'd like you to learn to accept others. I wouldn't flame you for loving Vangelis, even though I would run away if you forced me to listen to the song Henry Maske used (sorry, forgot the name of that song). Feel free to flame me for listening to some selected part of the 90's music (such as "Faithless", even though I'm not really friends with techno). 

Thanks for listening,

Martin

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Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 20:46:24 -0400
Organization: weld electronica
Subject: Re: Hello I need Help with my virus 

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

christoph kemper the chief designer is on the mailing list and should ansewr your troubles. i have found access to very be very responsive and you lucky to have this mailing list, ever try calling a big company for help :p
aceess is a very small geramn company -2 people i belive , and they try there best (there have been 6-7 updates in less than 6 months. please also note this is holiday time in europe and the giys may be away.
hope this insight helps
weld


access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 
>
>>From: DjEliStar <DjEliStar@aol.com>
>>Date: Tue, 19 May 1998 16:39:23 EDT
>>To: jv@teklab.com
>>Subject: Hello I need Help with my virus X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 79
>>Sender: jv@teklab.com
>>
>>Hi. I was just wondering how I can get some technical help with my new Virus. I am having problems with midi patch dump. Being as the company is based in germany, I have found it difficult to get anywhere. My W-mails go unanswered and calling the supplied german long distance number is a joke as you are greeted by a recording in german with no option to leave a message. With this kind of lacking tech support, my virus is heading back to the store unless some kind soul has some words of wisdom for me. I am hanging in limbo waiting for any response. Any would be greatly appreciated. 
>>
>>
>
>j.
>
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>jay@teklab.com	| http://www.teklab.com
>|	la, calif.
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>PAPT Member #00002
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Subject: Re: OT: Favorite CDs

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

my current cd faves
kratwerk- live from tokyo cd-r bootleg
komputer -world of tommarrow
daft punk--homework
senergy- sequencer
kraftwelt -electric dimension
vangelis-short stories
david morley-tilted
buddy holly-greatest hits
the moog cookbook-

just had to get my choices in, before someone says that this thread doent belong!! : )
weld
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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 2 

* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

>Back on reverb. You don't use reverb to fatten, but for natural room ambience. For some reason this (need for reverb) keeps degenerating 
into
>fattening or animating sounds. I am glad that most other people who 
responded
>agreed with me, in that reverb in general is needed and adds warmth. 
Some people do use reverb to make a sound "more full". This is what I am referring to. The people who do the problems I've discussed are namely the dance artists you dislike.


>If you put Tomitas' "Cosmos" or "Firebird" for example, into you CD 
player,
>you will find out that you are wrong. What is being put out now 
hasn't yet
>even caught up. This is the problem. Why woundn't any synthesist 
want to
>hear the pinacle or his artform ? Why not hear the artists who got 
voted top
>studio synthesists year to year ? Why not hear how colorful and 
original
>music used to be ? Of coarse they should listen. Would a great 
author not
>read and study other quality works before writing a book ? Doesn't 
a great
>painter look at other paintings ? There are only a handful a 
synthesists.
>They are each just one man who sits in a studio, and does everything 
himself
>on synthesizers and keyboards. And every synthesist should have an 
interest
>in hearing what they have done. You will hear sounds you have never 
heard
>before and interesting uses of effects you never thought of. 
I dislike Tomita from what I have heard, and wouldn't consider it good synthesis. I probably have listened to far more synthesists than you, especially judging from your statements about music from the mid 80s to present.

>The problem with music in general since the mid-80's is people 
aren't doing
>their own thing. Because our culture is based on being trendy, 
everbody does
>the same thing. Every ad for a synth, every review has to bring up 
dance
>music now. Because that is the latest thing. One moron puts an 
earing in his
>ear, pretty soon every other mindless robot does the same thing so 
he can be
>one of the masses. The 80's were the start of the age of 
mediocrity. It is
>the musician who is not familiar with the wide range of synth music 
who is the
>one with a narrowly focused mind. He is the one who will continue 
the same
>old crap. Your assumptions are wrong about early synth music 
because you
>haven't heard it.
I agree that our culture is based on being trendy, but it was conformist long before the mid 80s. The problem lies in that in mainstream pop music, mediocrity definately is mainly the rule in America, although I can't speak for other countries because I don't know if they are so MTV and radio driven. However, what you fail to realize is that there are TONS of strange, obscure individual artists out there, who are NOT just this generic dance crap. As I stated previously. The last thing I want to listen to is generic dance music, with a 909 pounding a way, with the generic hi-hat pattern, with the generic bass line with resonance, etc, etc. 

But there are tons of obscure artists out there who do not in any way, shape, or form fit into this, and are far more adventuresome than even the pioneers you hold on high. Have you ever heard of Autechre? I doubt it. Coil? I wonder if you even listened to a more popular act like the Orb, or Underworld, which are more dancey than the aforementioned. Front 242? Future Sound of London? I myself don't herald any artists as the end all, be all, of anything. Be it music, be it painting, be it poetry. Each work of art is unique, and each has a different impact upon those who view/listen/read it. 


>You haven't heard the right stuff. There is even a problem with 
Walter/Wendy
>Carlos on this point. One of the most realistic brass imitations 
ever comes
>from Carlos' Modular Moog. I haven't heard anything come from her 
digital
>synths or samplers that sound even close. She goes on to say how 
great
>digital is at acoustic simulation and then disproves herself with a 
cheesy
>sounding violin (sounds like an electronic organ preset). With the 
right
>equipment analog can come far closer then you think. Listen to 
Tomita and you
>hear a kettle drum hear, orchestra hit there, full out orchestra in 
another
>place, and they sound better then just about any sampler I have ever 
heard. I
>haven't heard anything in the past 10 years to match it. BTW, 
Carlos was best
>at doing stuff that was unique to synths, and that was not imitative synthesis.
Have you played some of these instruments? Sit down with a violinist who also plays synths and ask him why on any type of synth it doesn't accurately capture the beauty of the instrument he plays. Sit down and ask a guitarist what is wrong with a synthetic creation of one. Ask a woodwind player whats missing. Quite a lot. It all depends on how well you know the instrument. BTW from what I've heard of Tomita it all sounds like analog synthesis. I myself am not a big fan of plain samplers either, and as I've said before I don't really care for imitative synthesis. However your statement that Tomita sounds more like a kettle drum is futher proved ridiculous by the fact that a sample is a digital copy of an instrument. If one plays that kettle drum and its a good sample, its the same as a digitally recorded kettle drum. If you believe an analog emulation sounds more like a kettle drum then the real thing, there is something wrong with your hearing.


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Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 20:09:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: What kind of sounds? Share them! Second try. 

* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

---access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 
>
>
>>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 
>
>>But sadly, too many synthesists don't even think of these terms in regards to synths. They want to know how to emulate such and such 

>this is kind of a philosophic discussion. On one side I agree with 
you -
>its fascinating to make new sounds and this should be a part of daily works to keep the playing kid in me safisfied. And also the 
consumers of
>my music.
>
>The other side is that the people that maybe buy our music dont want 
to
>hear: a new BD, SD, HH, Bass, Leadsynth and and and in every song. 
You
>know what I want to say? I cant define electronic music new with 
every
>song I do, and I think this is not the reason to buy a good synth or 
to
>make electronic music.
Who says every song has to follow that pattern? This attitude is what Elkhardt is saying represents most artists today, and I do agree with him that its a bad one. Why do you have to have those elements in a song? Why do the songs have to be so obvious and predictable? The funny thing is that Elkhardt is probably arguing with one of the few who identify with what his complaint is about music today. I just happen to appreciate a different style of "uniqueness" than he does.

This is why I love artists such as Autechre. Its unique, and unpredictable. It entertains me sonicly, it makes me philosophical, and emotionally moves me. Not every song on an album is completely different in scope, but they are identifiably different songs, and the albums are identifiably different.

>It IS VERY important to have a tool that works. For me its important 
to
>program a sound Im thinking of in the shortest possible time. And 
O.K. if
>it should sound like this or like that thats no problem. Your real 
own
>sound is made in YOUR specific MIX not with 1,2 or 3 special sounds. Nobody (only maybe some other producers) will recognize this. And i 
want
>to make music for music comsumers and not for musicians or producers. 
True, but if your music is not unique, it will be disposed of. The unique are remembered in the long run. Overnight hit, or immortalization. Its your choice.

>I think the Virus is a very, very, very good tool for - special, unique sounds
>- usual synth sounds
I wouldn't say the virus has completely unique sounds. It has a character, and filters that I like, but by far its not the best for completely unique sounds. I like its filters, but most of all, I like the MIDI control.

>Its simply good for everything.


>But: If you are such a freak - let us hear your great sounds! A few months ago I posted a message here, were I asked other Virus users to post me some of their unique sounds so we could all together put 
together
>a very nice sounding bank of new Virus sounds! Nothing happened. I 
posted
>a few of my maybe usual sounding but commecially very well working 
sounds
>to my web space at ftp://members.aol.com/brainray/Virus/Virman.ZIP 
As I've posted before I can't get my virus to dump correctly. I was told to remove the in when dumping, which I did, to no avail. Besides I feel too many people don't spend enough time programming for themselves, and just d/l some stuff from the net and think its great. 

I'm all for discussing various tricks or strategies for creating any type of sound.

Does anyone know of a Win95 program that is good for just dumping patches and uploading the system updates on? I can't get it to work with Cubase VST and my MOTO MidiExpress XT 

Once my web page is up you can hear audio examples of the songs, however, as I've said before mainly for my more bizarre sounds I use my K2000. I actually don't do "instrumental" music either. If anyone has any "examples" of their music up on the net, please let us know where to hear them.

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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal 2 

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

Just how productive is this conversation, in the context of using the Access Virus to write music?

Not very, since the Virus has built-in effects and you're hard-put to remove them if you don't want them. And I think it's fair to say that the Access Virus' effects are pretty damned cool. 

So, maybe we could just tone it down a bit, keep the "Access Virus, Use Of - Both Awesome and Astounding" vibe growing a bit, and let this "Effects" Holy War die a slow death for now, at least unless someone works out a way to make it productive in the context of this specific mailing list... 




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Subject: Re: Access speaks about control smoothing 

* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> We are considering to include a feature to make the Adaptive Control Smoothing switchable.

Yippee! :-)

>But there is more to discuss:
>Other synthesizers like the Nord Lead (II) and Microwave II/XT provide similar smoothing features that will also produce glitches on fast parameter changes. Since parameter smoothing is not an error but a common feature of modern synthesizers, why don't the Step Sequenzer companies include a feature to predelay the control messages? They should know this problem since years! 

Similarly, step-sequencer builders can argue "why don't virtual analogue synths respond more like analogue synths?" Nobody is going to win such an argument.

Predelay does not really solve the problem. It moves the glitch from the attack portion to the release portion (of the previous note), where it may be less noticeable, or not, but it is still there! 

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Subject: Re: What kind of sounds? Share them! Second try. 

* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>>know what I want to say? I cant define electronic music new with every
>>song I do, and I think this is not the reason to buy a good synth or to
>>make electronic music.
>Who says every song has to follow that pattern? This attitude is what Elkhardt is saying represents most artists today, and I do agree with him that its a bad one. Why do you have to have those elements in a song? Why do the songs have to be so obvious and predictable?

For commercial success I think it has to be like this. Have you ever read Pete Waterman interviews? May you dint like this kind of music :-) 

But I also did a lots of underground stuff. And sometimes companys call and say: hey please - cant you put this sound in or that one (from records I did). So I partly agree with you. 

snip----

>This is why I love artists such as Autechre. 

Sorry dont know it...
>Its unique, and
>unpredictable. It entertains me sonicly, it makes me philosophical, 
. Your real
>own
>>sound is made in YOUR specific MIX not with 1,2 or 3 special sounds. Nobody (only maybe some other producers) will recognize this. And i 
>want
>>to make music for music comsumers and not for musicians or producers. 
>True, but if your music is not unique, it will be disposed of. The unique are remembered in the long run. Overnight hit, or immortalization. Its your choice.

Hmm, I think the success of music depends on 2 things: -20% Musik
-80% Marketing
and the part of the markenting is growing.... - I dont like this too. 
>
snip-----

>Does anyone know of a Win95 program that is good for just dumping patches and uploading the system updates on? I can't get it to work with Cubase VST and my MOTO MidiExpress XT 

Maybe try with Logic.

>Once my web page is up you can hear audio examples of the songs, however, as I've said before mainly for my more bizarre sounds I use my K2000. I actually don't do "instrumental" music either. If anyone has any "examples" of their music up on the net, please let us know where to hear them.
>
Good idea!

Regards

Ray

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Subject: Re: What kind of sounds? Share them! Second try. 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 12:54 AM +0200 on 04.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>If you agree with me put your sounds to 
>
>ftp://members.aol.com/brainray/incoming/ 
>
>Ill compile them for public download.

And of course I'll be glad to add a link to the website...! 


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Subject: Re: The need for effects? Rebutal #3 

* From: monokrom@sirius.com

Tell me, what does this have to do the the Access Virus? -Monokrom

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: Elhardt@aol.com
>
><<I happen to like hip hop and rap. I like other styles of electronic music too, but I just can't relate to Vangelis. I accept him as someone who has written intersting stuff, just nothing that I like to listen to really. I prefer not to be offended by your comments about "This garbage". That's just the nineties. Sorry, mate.>>
>
>God help me. Hip hop and rap? How can anyone want to listen to a bunch of crack smoking gangters angrily rapping in that idiotic black street slang. Vile, obnoxious, offensive filth it is. It all sounds the same. It's not even technically music. Vangelis? His music is so different from album to album he can't really be pinned down to any one style, but at his best, he actually has things like melody, satisfying cord progressions, climaxes here and there. Yah, who would want that in music ? In fact, musical qualities like these have been disappearing from most music. All culture is lost on this generation. Things of value and quality are hard to acheive. Few can do them. But any little punk off the street can pick up a mic and spew out a bunch of vulgar rap to further corrupt. Yes, quality can be measured and judged. Especially when the gap is so damn huge. **********	**********
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Subject: Re: Access speaks about control smoothing 

* From: WYDMusic@aol.com

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Subject: RE: The need for effects? Rebutal 2 

* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 
>
>I dislike Tomita from what I have heard, and wouldn't consider it good synthesis. I probably have listened to far more synthesists than you, especially judging from your statements about music from the mid 80s to present.

Not good synthesist?
Hmmm I find that VERY strange. Oke, you don't have to like the music, but his sound-programming (and aresenal) is superb, IMO. I think he's more a synthesist then all top 40 bands together (all in my opinion of course)
And you can do the same with the Virus of course...just try harder :-) 

>But there are tons of obscure artists out there who do not in any way, shape, or form fit into this, and are far more adventuresome than even the pioneers you hold on high. Have you ever heard of Autechre? I doubt it. Coil? I wonder if you even listened to a more popular act like the Orb, or Underworld, which are more dancey than the aforementioned. Front 242? Future Sound of London? I myself don't herald any artists as the end all, be all, of anything. Be it music, be it painting, be it poetry. Each work of art is unique, and each has a different impact upon those who view/listen/read it. 

Future Sound of London are one of my favs. But I wouldn't call it good synthesis
because the sample the hell out of everyone! But I like their music, neverth.

>From Martin Zuther:

>I'd like you to learn to accept others. I wouldn't flame you for loving Vangelis, even though I would run away if you forced me to listen to the song Henry Maske used (sorry, forgot the name of that song). Feel free to flame me for listening to some selected part of the 90's music (such as "Faithless", even though I'm not really friends with techno). 

I would run away too. I can't stand Henry Maske's track. But if you pick any older Vangelis I would definitely stay.
And yes, I also like bands like Faithless (did you notice the mellotron sample
at the beginning of one of their tracks? It made the track for me!) And my prediction is that you will hear nothing from them again, as so many other techno/top40 bands...

Anyway, I'll stop this, because it has little to do with the Virus. (although I love to disscuss like this...but thats probably another list :-))

Marcel
Music-page	:http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email		:fsp@wxs.nl

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* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 

I agree that there has been a large number of off-topic messages, and I apologize if anyone was inconvienanced. 

I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 

If not, is anyone here actually releasing anything, or is it just a hobby, or what?

Is anyone here using the virus in a commercial setting? (Be it major releases, in ads, whatever..)






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Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 16:51:09 -0500
Subject: For Sale: Studio Mixer

* From: JASON_MUNDO@ccmail.rustei.com (JASON MUNDO) 


Relaying this message (and sorry for crosspost): 

Lucien of Trinitywerks Studio in Dallas is selling the following: 

Behringer MX 2642A Studio Mixer

* 4 Months old, perfect condition

* 26 input, 4 bus

* Tight Behringer sound quality

* originally purchased as a temporary need but the mixer itself works 
perfectly.

* $600 is the fair cost.



an Alesis Drum Machine and emu sound module also for sale and some other stuff...


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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 02:32 PM 8/4/98 -0700, you wrote:
>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> I agree that there has been a large number of off-topic messages, and I apologize if anyone was inconvienanced. 

No problems. I'm a culprit in the off-topic discussions on many other teklab lists anyway, so who am I to talk? :) 

>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
>Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 
>

And, if anyone wants a place to put MP3's of their stuff that uses the Access Virus (so they can show it off), teklab is *the* place to do it. 

Check out the "Songs" section of A3k Central for details on how to add your MP3 to the growing collection of songs making the rounds here at TekLab. 

A3k Central:		http://www.teklab.com/~a3k 


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an1x-list@teklab.com, Brian_Wherry@avid.com Subject: Gear for sale - A3000, CS1X, MiniDisc 8 track 

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>From: Brian_Wherry@avid.com
>X-Lotus-Fromdomain: AVID
>To: jv@teklab.com
>Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:54:09 -0400
>Subject: A favor
>
>Hi Jay,
>
>A friend of mine is in a bind and he's got some gear to sell. Can you broadcast the following message to the various mailing lists for me? Thanks so much!
>
>Brian
>
>================================================= Subject: Great Yamaha gear for sale!
>
>A3000 sampler: $1350 with memory upgrade, $1200 without 
>
>MD8 8 track MiniDisc recorder - $900
>
>CS1X synth - $425
>
>A friend of mine got all this stuff jointly with the bass player in his band, then the bass player crapped out, and my friend can't afford all this stuff by himself. Everything is new! His name is Chris and his email address is cjm@vh.net. Those are some great prices!! 
>
>Back to making music....
>
>Brian
>
>

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* From: Antarctica Media <antarcticamedia@telalink.net> 

>>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.

He's probably not on this list, but in the last issue of Mix magazine a Virus was in full view in the photo of Mark Isham's studio. 




John A. Trevethan

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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 06:28 PM 8/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>* From: Antarctica Media <antarcticamedia@telalink.net> 
>
>>>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
>
>He's probably not on this list, but in the last issue of Mix magazine a Virus was in full view in the photo of Mark Isham's studio. 
>

Wow, I didn't know he had one too... I've done a bit of work for Mark in the past, I'll have to ask him how he likes his Virus the next time I see him! 

Actually now that I think about it, he probably got it for the live electronic shows that he does.


j.

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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>>Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 

Yep - goto my webpage: http://listen.to/ray and choose the MP3 from Dj Energy Set you free *cloned mix*. About 70% of the synth are made with the Virus (ie. the cheap standalone melody sound -> CS1x). 

Regards

Ray

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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 
>
>I agree that there has been a large number of off-topic messages, and I apologize if anyone was inconvienanced. 
>
>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
>Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 
>
>If not, is anyone here actually releasing anything, or is it just a hobby, or what?
>
Yes,

lots of german techno records :-)

Ray
>Is anyone here using the virus in a commercial setting? (Be it major releases, in ads, whatever..)
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* From: OBOTA@aol.com

Hi Weld,
I am an extreme Kraftwerk fan, I've considered cosmetic surgery to have my self
look like Ralf Hutter. But really, you mentioned a 'Live from Tokoyo' bootleg CD. Is this from the recent tour? I just saw them in New York June 13 1998 and it was the
best god damn show I had ever witnessed! How would I ever get such a bootleg copy? Any response is appreciated.
Sincerely,
Steve

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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:


>If not, is anyone here actually releasing anything, or is it just a hobby, or what?


I just released a 12" ep of Drum&Bass here in the U.S. that uses the Virus quite a bit. :)

Mundo	"Carjack ep" WikidDrama Records , Dallas, TX


I use it in my live PA as well.

Do Not Touch Me and Wait, :)

Mundo
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* From: Marc Schlaile <babylonwaves@usa.net> 

>>He's probably not on this list, but in the last issue of Mix magazine a Virus was in full view in the photo of Mark Isham's studio. 

the same virus you can see on the opecode studio vision demo cd when you click on the mark-isham-interview button. he seems to like it! 

marc

................................................................... | production | arrangement | remix | sounddesign | music publisher | ................................................................... 

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* From: Vinay Anne <vinay@earthlink.net> 

for those who might be interested......


I saw a live show a couple nights ago of the bands 'Stabbing Westward' and 'God Lives Underwater'. 

..both had Viruses.


At 10:42 AM 8/5/98 -0500, you wrote:
>* From: JASON_MUNDO@ccmail.rustei.com (JASON MUNDO) 
>
>
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>Author: access-list@tl36.teklab.com at Internet Date: 8/5/98 1:37 AM
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>
>* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>
>>If not, is anyone here actually releasing anything, or is it just a hobby, or what?
>
>
>I just released a 12" ep of Drum&Bass here in the U.S. that uses the Virus quite a bit. :)
>
>Mundo	"Carjack ep" WikidDrama Records , Dallas, TX
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>I use it in my live PA as well.
>
>Do Not Touch Me and Wait, :)
>
>Mundo
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Subject: RE: Virus Related topics

* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Tim Anderson <terminalbliss@rocketmail.com> 
>
>I agree that there has been a large number of off-topic messages, and I apologize if anyone was inconvienanced. 
>
>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
>Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 
>
>If not, is anyone here actually releasing anything, or is it just a hobby, or what?
>
>Is anyone here using the virus in a commercial setting? (Be it major releases, in ads, whatever..)

Well, I got the Virus in April this year and I WILL release my new CD this year. And the Virus has been used heavily on my new tracks. But I won't use the Virus for everything, I use every synth I've got in every track. I think only that way you can sound 'big'. It just sounds better to/for me.

Marcel
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* From: WYDMusic@aol.com

I've used my virus all over the last 2 remixes i've produced. If you wanna hear it, checkout Information Society's "What's On Your Mind" 12" on Hypnotic...out this week; and Bow Wow Wow's "Do You Wanna Hold Me" 12"...out in September. Virus Rulez! I'm waiting for a break in the production skedyule to hack together a website, but when I do i'll post some audio. 


Darren Kramer
Who's Your Daddy Productions
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Subject: synchro mesh

* From: "Pierre Zeeman" <pierrezee@hotmail.com> 

Hi to all on the list

I hope someone might be able to help with a rather vexing problem. 

I have just purchased a Virus with the intention of using it for making psychedelic trance. It is therefore very important that it synchronises to MIDI clocks. However, try as I might I cannot seem to get it to synchronise properly (which is supposed to be automatic anyway). LFO special effects or arpeggiations drift out of time with the rest of the track (even if it is only the drum parts playing) and I have been through all the menus checking that these functions are responding to clocks. It sounds exactly the same as when a dj is beatmatching 2 records and has not quite got their bpms to match - i.e. a very gradual phasing occurs. While this is quite an interesting effect in itself it is not what I want. It is particularly irritating when it is a 1/8 arpeggio which will not keep time with a simple hihat pattern hitting each eighth note. I have tried everything : (1) a vanilla mono patch with either very simple arpeggiations or clocked LFOs and no effects (so that there is no possibility of the drift occurring for other reasons like long envelopes, weird LFO/delay/chorus settings or due to the Virusí polyphony); (2) different computers as sequencers. I am running Cubase 2.5 on an old Mac SE but I still had the problem when I tested the Virus with a 350Mhz PII with 64Mb RAM running VST. The test I have been performing is very simple - drums (from my sampler) beating 1/4, 1/8 & 1/16 time with the Virus responding to a single note (C3) one bar in length, repeated for at least 8 bars in Single mode; (3) my Pulse+ as a control for checking the computerís clocks, but it keeps perfect time so I am almost positive that the computer is not at fault;
(4) I even took it back to the distributors (Turnkey) and got another one. Still the problem persists.

It is driving me nuts. My Virus is OS 1.53 (which I will upgrade to 1.54 tonight). Has anyone else had this problem? Any suggestions? 

Pierre


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Subject: bank b and multi's

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

Also had a problem where bank B sounds just lose it, i can't remember access commenting on this?

now - wishlist:
Why is there no multi edit banks- i.e. 16 spaces cleared fro easy up/download of multi's.
For example - if i want to send some1 with a virus a song of mine, i must send it the whole of bank A (with all my edited sounds on bank A) and then the multi-setup (as a sysx) and then the song. If i send him the 16 sounds i use in the song as single sounds, he must overwrite his own sounds with these before he can hear the song. 

Now it may seem a bit unnecessary, but ideally one wants to be able to go on2 a stage with ANY virus, download all the sounds just b4 the song (as sysx dump) and then play the song. At the moment the only way to do this is to dump a whole bank (at best). It would have been nice if u could also get a multi-single dump i.e. the multi setup as well as the 16 (or less) sounds used. 

i do understand that eventually one should get good enough to just use the whole of bank A for your own sounds, but it would be nice if there was a FASTER way of saving all your new custom sounds - and by saing them i mean on the PC, so if something goes wrong with yr banks - as is happening at the moment - u can quickly dump the few sounds u've been working with in yr latest song. 

Not sure if i've made myself clear, but surely some1 else must have had a similar thought - any ideas?

.e
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Subject: Re: bank b and multi's

* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA
>
>Also had a problem where bank B sounds just lose it, i can't remember access commenting on this?

Hi,

they know about the problem, but there are only very few of us that have it.

To get the sounds back: goto the edit menu - > input . If a sound is lost usually the value is ILLEGAL. If you set it back to off your sound is ok again.

When did the sounds got lost? Maybe after switching the machine on? Can you reproduce how it happened?

Regards

Ray


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Subject: Re: bank b and multi's

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

Ray :
>>* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA
>>
>>Also had a problem where bank B sounds just lose it, i can't remember access commenting on this?
>
>they know about the problem, but there are only very few of us that have it.
>
>To get the sounds back: goto the edit menu - > input . If a sound is lost usually the value is ILLEGAL. If you set it back to off your sound is ok again.

cool - thanks!
wonder if sending a controller 101 value 0 would do the trick (at work at the moment so i can't try it out)
101 is the input mode 0 = off

>
>When did the sounds got lost? Maybe after switching the machine on? Can you reproduce how it happened?
>

very weird - after not having had any problems it happened 3 times in a row using cakewalk, seemed to happen with 2 notes playing simultaneously, but couldn't get it right to reproduce it. will poste if i find the reproduction formula 

.e

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Subject: Re: bank b and multi's

* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>>
>>To get the sounds back: goto the edit menu - > input . If a sound is lost usually the value is ILLEGAL. If you set it back to off your sound is ok again.
>
>cool - thanks!
>wonder if sending a controller 101 value 0 would do the trick (at work at the moment so i can't try it out)
>101 is the input mode 0 = off

It does! SO you only have to press *store* and then next sound. A bit boring....

Ray

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Subject: multi's

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

As usual one finds the answer as soon as u've asked the question. 
>From the SYSX documentation :
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Single Dump

[message]=
10 :Single Dump
bb :Bank Number
00: Single Edit buffer;
01:single bank A;
02:single bank B
ss :Program Number 0..127
[256 single bytes]
cs ;Checksum

Note:
When bank number is set to 00, the program number is the part number that addresses one of the sixteen Single Edit buffer in Multi Mode (00..0F) or the Single buffer in Single Mode (40).
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 

There they mention "sixteen Single Edit buffer in Multi Mode", which is what i asked for, but nowhere else is it mentioned, or explained how u would access(no pun) these buffers -i.e. how do u set up yr multi-mode to use these 16 sounds, at the moment you set up your multimode as follows Part1 - BankA,Program number 23, Part2 - BankB, Prog.nr. 78 etc..
what would be the Program numbers for these Edit buffers? (surely it can't ALL be 126?)

Yes - i do feel as if i'm missing something pretty obvious... .e

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Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 12:42:52 -0100
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Subject: power on pop

* From: "Joachim Glasstetter" <GlassJo@vs.dasa.de> 

i asked it already in a recent mail, but got no answer. I get an unacceptable loud pop noise when i switch off and on the virus. (with the volume knob totally down) Is that normal? OS 1.54
greetings,
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Subject: RE: Power on pop

* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de 

Yep, mine does it too, its more of a B A N G than a pop, though. I always mute the "Virus" input of my mixing desk before turning the power off or on. 

John
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Subject: Re: power on pop

* From: Rich Mergner <richjm@erols.com>

Yes, I believe it is(1.54). More like a crack. I have to punch-out of the mixer prior to turn the virus on. 

Rich M.

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* From: Steve Tavaglione <tavmale@pe.net> 

Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.
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Subject: Re: synchro mesh

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 9:30 PM +0200 on 05.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>* From: "Pierre Zeeman" <pierrezee@hotmail.com> 
>
>Hi to all on the list
>
>I hope someone might be able to help with a rather vexing problem. 

>is not what I want. It is particularly irritating when it is a 1/8 arpeggio which will not keep time with a simple hihat pattern hitting each eighth note. I have tried everything : 


Apparently there seems to be a synchronisation problem with the Virus and certain seuqencer and Midi interface combinations. 

This is not a problem of the Virus, but it has to do with a timing drift sequencers sometimes have. In some situations the virus is unable to handle such a drift and does not recognize the downbeats as downbeats and what not.

Access is aware of this situation and worte a long statement about it which I will post to the website together with a lot of other statements they have made about the virus.


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Organization: Laughing Buddha Music Productions Subject: Dumping Prohibited

* From: Buddha <buddha@dial.pipex.com>

Yes, I definately agree with the concept of having a multi dump that only
dumps the sounds that are in the multi. This would make dumping and loading
so much faster for use in a live context and much more convenient for me use
in the studio. (perhaps loading to the first 16 sounds in bank A or B.)


For example, given that the memory stability of most midi machines is slightly
flakey, it always makes sense to me to dump the contents of the current 

multi into my sequencer (along with the other machines) at the end of every
session.

If this is a long and drawn out process, it become very tempting to skip the
dump on the Virus and keep my fingers crossed, which leads to the inevitable
appearance of the Sod Law Enforcement Agency. 

I'm sure you all know the score....And, yep, mine makes a loud thump on power
up, regardless of the master volume setting. 

Bilbo Bagginz

P.S.
to whom it may concern,
please could we confine this list to the Access Virus Synthesizer and it's use
in context,
and leave the petty, self righteous, opinionating about different musical
styles and tastes to
another list.
Different people like different things, Period. 

And please, adverts should go to the appropriate list too. I for one am not
interested in reading about that someone's mate has got a mixer for sale in Nova Scotia.
But I am very interested in reading about anything that any owners have to say or share
about the use of the Virus.
Thanks.





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Subject: Access speaks: Control Smoothing 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 



Some additional words to parameter smoothing 



* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

<< > But there is more to discuss:
>>Other synthesizers like the Nord Lead (II) and Microwave II/XT provide similar smoothing features that will also produce glitches on fast parameter changes. Since parameter smoothing is not an error but a common feature of modern synthesizers, why don't the Step Sequenzer companies include a feature to predelay the control messages? They should know this problem since years! 

>Similarly, step-sequencer builders can argue "why don't virtual analogue synths respond more like analogue synths?" Nobody is going to win such an argument.

How do analogue synths respond? The problem is not a matter of the synth technologie but of the controlling method! The theoretical best way to control parameters is analog voltage because of its hign time and value resolution.
If we are talking about Midi control of analog or virtual analog synths, there is a big problem of the weak time resolution of Midi controllers that causes parameter steps. This is a problem of Midi! The only way to get rid of these steps is a smoothing algorithm. 
>From what I know there is no analogue synth that provides a smoothing 
algorithm for Midi control, so those will work fine with Step Sequencers, for the price of noticable controller steps and discontinuities. Is this what you want?

So, if you refer about Midi control, the step-sequencer builders cannot argue "why don't virtual analogue synths respond more like analogue synths?". 



>Predelay does not really solve the problem. It moves the glitch from the attack portion to the release portion (of the previous note), where it may be less noticeable, or not, but it is still there! 

A predelay feature in step-sequencers would be a compromise, but a good one, even since I don't believe that all other companies will add a feature for switching off their smoothing.

But you are right, this is not the best solution. Beside the switch feature I will include a more intelligent method that I think you will like!
It will stop a parameter smoothing glitch everytime a new note is played. The step-sequencers are sending the controllers immediately before the note, so no glitch occures on the note-on. But you can still do continuous controlling without steps between the note-ons. It works fine! 



* From: WYDMusic@aol.com

>I would fear any kind of glitch effecting fast parameter changes. A big 
part
>of my music comes from changing parameters rapidly. I would be very unhappy if there were even fewer parameters I could accurately alter. Thanx. 

You are a Virus user, I think. There ARE gliches! This is what we are discussing.
But actually I am not sure what you mean by glitches? Sweeps or jumps? What is accurate altering of parameters, from your opinion? 

Due to the weak information density of Midi, I don't see any way to provide smooth parameter changes and fast glitch-free parameter jumps, just by the incoming Midi-controller-stream. There is actually no way yet for a Midi- receiver to distinguish intended parameter jumps from fast, but continuous parameter changes.



Thanks for your support



Christoph Kemper
ACCESS Music Electronics

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Subject: Access Speaks Re: bank b and multi's 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 



Hi all,

We are going to include an 'Arrangement Dump' into on of the next updates. This will dump the Multi patch together with the connected Single patches. 

Christoph Kemper

ACCESS Music Electronics



In einer eMail vom 06.08.98 10:08:39 MEZ, schreiben Sie: 

<< Also had a problem where bank B sounds just lose it, i can't remember access
commenting on this?

now - wishlist:
Why is there no multi edit banks- i.e. 16 spaces cleared fro easy up/download of multi's.
For example - if i want to send some1 with a virus a song of mine, i must send
it the whole of bank A (with all my edited sounds on bank A) and then the multi-setup (as a sysx) and then the song. If i send him the 16 sounds i use in the song as single sounds, he must overwrite his own sounds with these before he can hear the song. >> 

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Subject: Access SpeaksRe: power on pop

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 


Hi all,

The Pop when switching on the Virus is a normal switching noise of the hardware, that is not depending either on the software or the Master Volume. 

This pop might be quiet loud on the Virus, but is also produced by most of other audio units, when they are switched on. Therefore, many units like power amplifiers have a switch delay to mute this pop, others recomment in their manuals to turn down the mixer-faders when switching on the unit. This Virus behavior could only have been avoided by an expencive analog switch delay unit for all 6 outputs.

Christoph Kemper
ACCESS Music Electronics


In einer eMail vom 06.08.98 11:38:19 MEZ, schreiben Sie: 

<< i asked it already in a recent mail, but got no answer. 
I get an unacceptable loud pop noise when i switch off and on the virus. (with the volume knob totally down) Is that normal? OS 1.54
greetings,
Joachim >>

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Subject: Re: Access Speaks Re: bank b and multi's 

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 12:59 AM 8/7/98 +0200, you wrote:
>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> We are going to include an 'Arrangement Dump' into on of the next updates. This will dump the Multi patch together with the connected Single patches. 

Awesome! That's what Internet-savvy support by a cool company is all about! 



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Subject: Re: Access SpeaksRe: power on pop 

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

common here guys and gals
just turn your power amp on last
and off first
jeeeessshhhh!
weld
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* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

this is why everyone should own a atari st still!!!! weld

>
>Apparently there seems to be a synchronisation problem with the Virus and certain seuqencer and Midi interface combinations. 
>
>This is not a problem of the Virus, but it has to do with a timing drift sequencers sometimes have. In some situations the virus is unable to handle such a drift and does not recognize the downbeats as downbeats and what not.
>
>Access is aware of this situation and worte a long statement about it which I will post to the website together with a lot of other statements they have made about the virus.
>
>think different!
>
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Subject: Re: Access speaks: Control Smoothing 

* From: WYDMusic@aol.com

Dear Chris,

Thanks for providing this thorough and informative discussion. I truly wish other music companies were as savvy as you guys (can anyone say st***b**g?) . 

>You are a Virus user, I think. There ARE gliches! This is what we are discussing.

Yes I am, Happily!

>But actually I am not sure what you mean by glitches? Sweeps or jumps? 

Jumps. The sweeps rock!

>What is accurate altering of parameters, from your opinion? 

I may be confused as to the definition of a fast parameter jump. I am referring to an example such as sending an alternating 0, then 128 value to a parameter (volume, pitch bend, etc.) on alternating 32nd notes, 16th notes, etc. from the sequencer to the Virus. When I use this technique on any of my older synths (dw8000, m3r, tx802, et. al.) I always get a consistent and extremely tight effect. When I use this technique on the Virus, it is not nearly as tight and sometimes a bit choppy. (on a side note, for anyone experience the same problem, I have been recording the audio and then applying an audio volume change to achieve same effect in VST....it sounds a little different, but it works!!!)

I am under the assumption that this is what we are talking about when we refer to fast parameter changes. Please forgive my naivety if this is not the case. If there is a way of solving this, I would love it. If not, it's not the biggest deal in the world. More important to me will be a solution to the Arpeggiator drift issue.

Thanx again for your time and attention. I am absolutely in love with the Virus and only wish I could find a woman as interesting. 

Severely,


Darren Kramer
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* From: Elhardt@aol.com

<<I dislike Tomita from what I have heard, and wouldn't consider it good synthesis.>>

First of all, If you heard his first or his last about three albums, they are not his characteristic best. Second (and another following e-mail also supports me on this) Tomita at his best, has not been equalled to this day. His attention to detail and quality are superb. An album that takes two years to make should be. The problem is people don't listen closely and analyze music or sound. That usually also includes hearing it more than once. Saying Tomita isn't good synthesis is rediculous. He and Walter/Wendy Carlos are the two who consistantly were voted top synthesist in Keyboard mag through the years. He is the leading Synthesist in Japan, gives massive huge concerts and scores movies.

<<I probably have listened to far more synthesists than you, especially judging from your statements about music from the mid 80s to present.>> 

I doubt that. Being 35 years old and listening and buying synth music since I was eleven. Everything from Perry & Kingsley on up. It gives me 24 years of buying records/CDs that could fill this page. Most are OK to dismal. I only mention the top five or so that people should have heard (seeing how most are lousy or out of print). Too much stuff today is digital, and I can't stand to hear yet another FM piano sound, or lethargic digital synth pad. I think synth players should be familiar with synth music. Everybody else takes that to mean Rock or Dance or obscure bands that only use synths in a minor role and generally not a very innovative way. I'm talking about 100% synth music. The type that used to be filed in the "Electronic Music" section of a record store back when musicians were actually creating music only electronically. I thought the reason people were buying the Virus was to get that great old analog sound anyway. Why not then want to hear old analog at its' best? 

<<Have you played some of these instruments? Sit down with a violinist who also plays synths and ask him why on any type of synth it doesn't accurately capture the beauty of the instrument he plays. Etc.... Ask a woodwind player whats missing. Quite a lot.>>

Mic an instrument from two feet away, and yes, the subtleties are hard to mimic exactly. But move back and have a number of instruments playing at once, and a pretty damn good job can be done to fool the ear. Some violinists who tried a prototype electronic violin that replaced its' wood body with a bank of 36 analog filters to simulate the resonances of the violin, said it was the best sounding violin they played. Simulating real instruments with analog synths requires techniques like this. I have already mentioned several weeks ago, about a patch I created on a Nord Modular which simulates a violin body with four resonant feedback delay lines, a technique similar to the "Moog String Resonator" that never made it into full production. The combination of that and several other techniques gives a very good violin patch. The violin I heard come from the Yamaha VL was a joke. It does brass and woodwinds great, but bowed instruments; no way.

<<BTW from what I've heard of Tomita it all sounds like analog synthesis.>> 

Most Tomita is original analog synth sounds. It is only in some places where he evolves into imitative synthesis.

<<However your statement that Tomita sounds more like a kettle drum is futher proved ridiculous by the fact that a sample is a digital copy of an instrument. If one plays that kettle drum and its a good sample, its the same as a digitally recorded kettle drum. If you believe an analog emulation sounds more like a kettle drum then the real thing, there is something wrong with your hearing.>>

Tomitas' simulations of the full orchestra do sound better than what I have heard people do with samplers. It shouldn't be that way, but it is. Virtually every time I hear samplers used to emulate an orchestra, I can tell it is a sampler. This is probably more of a problem in that not enough is out there to surpass his orchestrations (in the few places he does that), not that it can't be done. Have you heard the his toy piano sound or harp? I doubt you could tell the difference between them and the real thing. If you are trying with a pre-patched synth like the Virus, then you will come up short. But with enough analog hardware to synthesize small details, then it can be quite amazing. I listen closely to instruments and I have spent 18 years thinking about how to emulate them. Sampling has caused me to get lazy though.
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* From: Elhardt@aol.com

***I dislike Tomita from what I have heard, and wouldn't consider it good synthesis.***

<<Not good synthesist?
Hmmm I find that VERY strange. Oke, you don't have to like the music, but his sound-programming (and aresenal) is superb, IMO. I think he's more a synthesist then all top 40 bands together (all in my opinion of course)>> 

Yes, you are correct. I haven't heard this kind of sound quality anywhere. His two record set called "Sound Creature" even shows step by step how he creates some of his sounds. Takes him hours to set up just one patch for a few seconds of sound. This is not music thrown together in haste. And he didn't have all the luxuries we have today. 

***I wouldn't flame you for loving Vangelis, even though I would run away if you forced me to listen to the song Henry Maske used (sorry, forgot the name of that song).***

<<I would run away too. I can't stand Henry Maske's track. But if you pick any older Vangelis I would definitely stay.>> 

Again I agree. It is the older Vangelis to listen to. I have a lot of Vangelis, but only listen to about 30% of it. Some of it I would run from too, some I sold back to the used record stores. But keep this is mind, whoever picked the music for Carl Segans' "Cosmos" series had good taste. It starts with Vangelis and has some Vangelis, Tomita, Synergy and Jean Michel Jarre through out. Many of the old analog synthesists I have been talking about.
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* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

must speak here

TOMITA is a synth god!!!
what he accomplished for the time is incredible and it has a moog cookbook kinda feel thats fun!!!! 

the synths gods are not happy :p
weld
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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 09:13 PM 8/6/98 +0000, you wrote:
>* From: Don Ihm <dihm@boink.net>
>
>I'm tired of the big dick syndrome and very close to unsubscribing( no offense to the ladies)

I agree. And I run the list...

Please, guys, lets keep this effects debate private. This is a list for the Access Virus, after all...


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Subject: Re: Access Speaks Re: bank b and multi's 

* From: Guenther Albrecht <saliter@pan.com> 

>>We are going to include an 'Arrangement Dump' into on of the next updates. This will dump the Multi patch together with the connected Single patches. 

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Subject: Re: Access speaks: Control Smoothing 

* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> Beside the switch feature I will include a more intelligent method that I think you will like!
>It will stop a parameter smoothing glitch everytime a new note is played. The step-sequencers are sending the controllers immediately before the note, so no glitch occures on the note-on. But you can still do continuous controlling without steps between the note-ons. It works fine! 

That is a very clever idea! Yes, I think I will like that very much, and I'm looking forward to playing with it. I can't wait for the next release of the operating system.

I must say that I have rarely found a manufacturer so responsive to user feedback as Access.

- Ronald.
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* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Steve Tavaglione <tavmale@pe.net> 
>
>Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.

Or maybe a 'special' Atari ST version, because it is so much easier to send the data from Atari to Virus?
It should be shorter then the MAC or PC version, as I read in Christophs mail.

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* From: Buddha <buddha@dial.pipex.com>



access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>
>
>
>>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> We are going to include an 'Arrangement Dump' into on of the next updates. This will dump the Multi patch together with the connected Single patches. 

This is great news,
you are making an already great synth even better. Thanks,
Bilbo Bagginz

>
>
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* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 11:13 PM +0200 on 06.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>* From: Steve Tavaglione <tavmale@pe.net> 
>
>Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.


Yes, if you have a hardware sequencer and yes if you have a second virus with that you can connect. We did this once (together with Weld and his friend Vincent) and it worked like a charm. 


think different!

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* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

>Bizarre - I used VST 3.502 the other night. No problems. Did you "Import MIDI File"? Also, check that the Virus is set to OMNI on the ID page and transmit the file at 60 bpm.

I'm not a user of VST but it should be possible to switch of the transmitting of MIDI-Clock. I heard someone mention you could have some problems with MIDI-Clocks and Bulks together. 

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* From: "Howard Scarr" <HScarr@csi.com>

>>Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.
>Or maybe a 'special' Atari ST version, because it is so much easier to send the data from Atari to Virus?
>It should be shorter then the MAC or PC version, as I read in Christophs mail.


Huh? One version is enough - it's only a MIDI file 

The subject - anyone here got a Supernova yet? How does it compare to the Virus?




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* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

Access says:



Hi all,

The Virus has a feature to send its software from one unit to another. This is what my doctor an me call the classical way of infection. 

Short explained:
- Enter the System Update menu (STORE while switching on) - select 'Send' instead of receive by VALUE - STORE
- Select First or Second File (means System or Factory-Sounds/Demo) - STORE
..

Christoph Kemper
ACCESS


In einer eMail vom 07.08.98 10:03:03 MEZ, schreiben Sie: 

<< * From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: Steve Tavaglione <tavmale@pe.net> 
>
>Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.

Or maybe a 'special' Atari ST version, because it is so much easier to send the data from Atari to Virus?
It should be shorter then the MAC or PC version, as I read in Christophs mail.

Marcel
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* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

Hi,

I just uploaded the second version of the Virus environment for Logic to my homepage.

Goto: http://listen.to/ray

and there click *sounds & stuff*

Its still not finished yet, but now supports 12 multi-channels and more parameters in single mode. You can also change the chanel you want to edit in multi-single mode.

Have fun,

Ray

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* From: "Pierre Zeeman" <pierrezee@hotmail.com> 

Hi,

>I was wondering what software you used (and what operating system) to upgrade your Access. I have tried using Steinberg Cubase VST 3.55 for Windows 95 and Cakewalk 7.0 with no luck. I either get errors on the Access side or the software bombs out causing a GPF. 

Bizarre - I used VST 3.502 the other night. No problems. Did you "Import MIDI File"? Also, check that the Virus is set to OMNI on the ID page and transmit the file at 60 bpm.

Hope this helps.

Pierre

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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

Posted to Analogue Heaven last night...

>From: TekLab Account <daw-l@tl36.teklab.com> Subject: Re: Virus vs MKS-50? Trade for ? To: mtwalsh@earthlink.net (Mark Walsh)
>Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 00:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Cc: analogue@hyperreal.org, jay@tl36.teklab.com (Jay Vaughan) 
>
>
>>That's just my non-technical assessment of the device. Would anyone like to offer a reason why this machine isn't as good as "X" for the same amount of money? Has anyone opened their's up and found human remains inside or anything like that?
>>
>
>Well, I have a Virus and I *love* it. Here's why: 
>
>	a) It sounds excellent, and is a very hands-on, performance-oriented 	synth. Nothing like having it all there in front of you. 
>
>	b) It fits perfectly atop my DX5 (which is my main controller keyboard 	these days). Right next to my Peavey PC1600x, which also fits 	perfectly. This is a nice issue, because for live gigs, it's all there. 
>
>	c) Access are one of the most net-savvy synth/audio mfr's there are. 	I run the Access Virus mailing list (among others), and they are 	very involved in the list - listening to peoples problems, suggesting 	solutions, and here's the best part: fixing bugs, *FAST*. 
>
>	d) The Virus' operating system is user upgradeable - simply play it 	a sysex stream, and it sucks it up. I've successfully upgraded the 	OS on my Virus 4 times without glitch, getting features and the odd 	bugfix along the way. Truly awesome, and a lesson to be learned by 	other Synth manufacturers, for sure.
>
>	e) It sounds great. From the conception of the sound in my head through 	to the implementation of the sound using the Virus' tools, it's all 	a pleasurable, creative experience, because the Virus has been 	designed right from the start to be a musical instrument, not some 	obscure electronic device.
>
>I'd thought about a Nord Modular as an alternative to the Access Virus, since it's a bit more flexible and a lot of people have reported that it's easy to set up a "Virus" configuration in the Modular, but I'm attempting to get away from being PC-centric in my studio as much as possible having invested in the best hardware sequencer (QY700) and other MIDI controller tools (PC1600x) that I could find. Sure, the Nord is a great instrument, but I really wasn't keen on the idea of sitting in front of yet another computer to do audio work, since as a systems programmer that's what I do every day for hours on end anyway.
>
>It's surprising how much more fun music has become for me as a result of chucking my PC as the main focus point in my studio -- sure, I use it to 
record
>(Samplitude- awesome also btw, once you get past the GUI oddities), but 
that's
>*after* the musical process has run its course... 
>
>Phew, long post.
>
>j.
>
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>>http://www.home.earthlink.net/~mtwalsh 
>
>PS Mark - you gotta remove the "www." part from this URL - EarthLink 
subscribers
>addresses are on "home", not "www" ...
>

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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

Yes, you're right Jono -- thanks mate!

>Hi Jay,
>I thought you might like to forward this to the virus list? Cheers,
>jono
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> To: Logic Users <logic-users@mcc.ac.uk>
>Date: Friday, August 07, 1998 1:18 PM
>Subject: Virus Environment uploaded
>
>
>>Hi,
>>
>>I just uploaded the second version of the Virus environment for Logic to my homepage.
>>
>>Goto: http://listen.to/ray
>>
>>and there click *sounds & stuff*
>>
>>Its still not finished yet, but now supports 12 multi-channels and more parameters in single mode. You can also change the chanel you want to edit in multi-single mode.
>>
>>Have fun,
>>
>>Ray
>>
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* From: Roland Guyt <Roland@StaySane.nl> 

Hi,

I've converted the sound "Virus 2" to my likings. The only thing is a 'ticking' sound (it sounds like a clip sound) is coming from my Virus on both oscs. I can't seem to isolate it.

Can anybody help?

Thanks,

Roland


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* From: "Marcel Engels" <fsp@wxs.nl>

>* From: "Howard Scarr" <HScarr@csi.com> 
>
>>>Is there a to update one's Virus other than thru a computer? I am at system 1.53.
>>Or maybe a 'special' Atari ST version, because it is so much easier to send the data from Atari to Virus?
>>It should be shorter then the MAC or PC version, as I read in Christophs mail.
>
>
>Huh? One version is enough - it's only a MIDI file 

Yes, but if you've read Christoph's mail the Atari version of the Midi-file could be loaded more quickly in the Virus then the PC and the MAC, because of
better MIDI handling. I personally find it quite long before a new OS is uploaded
(but it's not that bad either...at least we don't have to buy a $150,- ROM for
an update :-))

And yes Roland, I've noticed some clicking sounds too with some sounds (i've posted it some months ago). still haven't completely figured out what it is. It's not always there and it's mostly with fast-attacked sounds. But lately I don't have them anymore....(maybe because of a new OS?) Or maybe it's because of the voltage? :-) We live quite near eachother.... 

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At 14:32 4-8-98 -0700, you wrote:

>I am curious however, to hear what people on this group are doing with their music, or the virus.
>Does anyone have any audio on a web page of an actual song, or "track"? 
>
I have one small, and simple 100% virus experiment on my server at 145.99.128.7/dimi
It´s called virus1st.mp3. The other songs were made without my virus. 

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At 16:21 6-8-98 -0700, you wrote:
>* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 
>
>At 12:59 AM 8/7/98 +0200, you wrote:
>>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> We are going to include an 'Arrangement Dump' into on of the next updates. This will dump the Multi patch together with the connected Single patches. 
>
>Awesome! That's what Internet-savvy support by a cool company is all about! 
YEEEEHHAAAA!
Exactly what I needed. I have been away for a week, and I have to read about 90 messages of the list now. First I read somebody´s message about the wish for this feature, and second I read this answer from access. Great!

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* From: Dimitri Sijperda <di-mi@dds.nl>

At 21:16 6-8-98 -0400, you wrote:
>* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 
>
>common here guys and gals
>just turn your power amp on last
>and off first
>jeeeessshhhh!
>weld
That´s what I have been thinking all the time too: Isn´t it a general rule that before your performance
ou turn on all the equipment, then turn on the mixer and then turn the amplifier on to have a sound check?
And then just leaving every machine on? I always turn off the main volume afterwards, and when I begin set it to 0dB again. If you want to have a fight with the soundengineer, do what you want but otherwise... don´t turn on or off a
machine during your performance!

Engage!

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Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:53:41 -0100
Priority: normal
Subject: Re: Access SpeaksRe: power on pop 

* From: "Joachim Glasstetter" <GlassJo@vs.dasa.de> 

Mr. Kemper said:

>This pop might be quiet loud on the Virus, but is also produced by most of other audio units, when they are switched on. Therefore, many units like power amplifiers have a switch delay to mute this pop, others recomment in their manuals to turn down the mixer-faders when switching on the unit. This Virus behavior could only have been avoided by an expencive analog switch delay unit for all 6 outputs.

I have many units in my studio, and not one of them pops when i switch it on. even cheap things like the Waldorf pulse or effect units are quiet. Or look at all the consumer audio products like cd players, tuners, tape decks, they never pop like the virus ,some of them do a quiet click, but nothing that kills speakers.... ..just something to think about for the next access product ;-) 

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Subject: Bug: Cutoff 2 / Offset

* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de 

Hi List, I've noticed a small bug in V1.54: 

1) Find a sound in which the cutoff link is 'off' 

2) Turn the cutoff knob for filter 2 : the text 'Cutoff 2' is displayed. That's OK.

3) Now turn the cutoff link 'on' (in the edit menu). 

4) Turn the cutoff knob for filter 2 again: the same text, 'Cutoff 2' is displayed. Thats the bug.

5) Now turn the cutoff knob for filter 1 AND THEN the cutoff knob for filter 2.
Now the correct text, 'Offset' is displayed. 

I haven't tested if just the text is wrong, or if the incorrect parameter gets changed. Anybody else noticed this? I only noticed it because I can't leave the thing alone. What an exxxxxellent synth !! 


John

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Subject: Re: Access SpeaksRe: power on pop 

* From: "Joachim Glasstetter" <GlassJo@vs.dasa.de> 

>>common here guys and gals
>>just turn your power amp on last
>>and off first
>>jeeeessshhhh!
>>weld
>If you want to have a fight with the soundengineer, do what you want but otherwise... don´t turn on or off a
>machine during your performance!

..hmmm that is all true, off course. But you forgot that the virus (at least mine) hangs from time to time. And then, the only way is to reboot the thing (->pop)... That was the reason why I started the discussion. I had to use a small stage mixer just because of the pops :-(

Joachim

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Subject: more tired eyes than the Jay-man 

* From: JASON_MUNDO@ccmail.rustei.com (JASON MUNDO) 




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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>P , but I'm attempting to >get away from being PC-centric in my studio as much as possible having >invested in the best hardware sequencer (QY700) and other MIDI controller >tools (PC1600x) that I could find. Sure, the Nord is a great instrument, >but I really wasn't keen on the idea of sitting in front of yet another >computer to do audio work, since as a systems programmer that's what 


Jay, I feel the same way.

I work in front of a computer all day and many times I don't want to look at another monitor when I get home. 

I may have to look into the QY700 again. 

I like messing with the virus knobs and avoiding the pc-synth editors because my eyes are tired already. :) ..otherwise I'd probably check out some of those editors.....but its so fun creating wikid sounds with just the virus by itself..

the virus is some wikid gear.



DO NOT TOUCH ME AND WAIT,

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* From: Triet Nguyen <triet@cs.utexas.edu> 

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: *	I work in front of a computer all day and many times I don't want to
*	look at another monitor when I get home.

Yep, that sums it up for me, too. I should be comfortable with computer based sequencers, but frankly I can't bring myself to stare at the monitor for more than 2 hours at home. But somehow I don't have a problem looking at a tiny LCD screen. ;) 

*	I may have to look into the QY700 again.

Have you tried the Notron? I almost bought one, but chickened out at the last minute. I can privately email anyone the details as this little sequencer is tight.

triet nguyen --- <triet@cs.utexas.edu>
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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>I may have to look into the QY700 again. 
>

Definitely check it out -- there was one for sale on the qy-list for $600 recently, you might want to subscribe to it and see if they've still got it if you're interested. Send mail to qy-list@teklab.com with "subscribe u@address" in the Subject line (u@address = your email address). 

>I like messing with the virus knobs and avoiding the pc-synth editors because my eyes are tired already. :) ..otherwise I'd probably check out some of those editors.....but its so fun creating wikid sounds with just the virus by itself..
>

Me too -- heck I recently arranged to purchase the Access dedicated hardware programmer for my Matrix1000, I'm that emphatic about not dealing with PC editors. Knobs, baby, knobs, give me the KNOBS! 



j.

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canine,

i would like to hear some sound samples from the polivoks. also, what would the cost in american dollars be to get a hold of one of these? i know people who have family in russia, are they hard to get a hold of? 

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* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>*	I may have to look into the QY700 again.
>
>Have you tried the Notron? I almost bought one, but chickened out at the last minute. I can privately email anyone the details as this little sequencer is tight.
>

I've wanted to try one of these out for a while, have you had a chance to use it? Please send me details, as I'm very interested in it and have had a hard time finding anyone in the States that knows anything about the damn things!



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* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

>* From: JASON_MUNDO@ccmail.rustei.com (JASON MUNDO) Jay, I feel the same way.
>I work in front of a computer all day and many times I don't want to look at another monitor when I get home. 

Exactly my motivation. My studio is my time away from computers. I have never liked mouse interfaces anyway. I'd rather tweak knobs than point-and-click my way to a cool sound. The Virus is ideal for this. 

>I may have to look into the QY700 again. 

The QY is a serious piece of kit. Probably the most comprehensive hardware sequencer around. I use it for step time composing, real time performance recording, and midi data storage. It has been serving me well for close to a year, without a hitch. In fact, the Virus is the only synth which the QY has ever had trouble with. 

- Ronald.
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* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

>* From: Triet Nguyen <triet@cs.utexas.edu> 
>
>Have you tried the Notron? I almost bought one, but chickened out at the last minute. I can privately email anyone the details as this little sequencer is tight.

I think a real time step sequencer will make a wonderful combo with the Virus, especially after the Virus' control smoothing option (see an earlier thread) is made available. I'm mostly tempted by the Doepfer MAQ16/3, which is less complex than the Notron, and probably less powerful, but at least it lives in a rack. I kind of like the simplicity of the Doepfer. But then the Notron has serious potential and oozes coolness. Perhaps I should buy both...

As an aside: has anyone tried the Virus rack mount kit? I'm increasingly turning my rack into my main performance instrument. 

- Ronald.
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Subject: Re: Bug: Cutoff 2 / Offset

* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de [condensed]
>I haven't tested if just the text is wrong, or if the incorrect parameter gets changed. Anybody else noticed this? 

Yes, it's the same, here. It is just the wrong text label, as far as I can tell.

- Ronald.
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* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

>How does one reinitialize the virus back to it's factory sounds. Several 
of my
>patches seem to have become corrupted and I need to start over. 

While switching on power, hold the two LFO-Shape buttons. Follow the directions on the screen (wait a second, the display keeps on changing and explaining). There you are.

BTW, I found out how to use the Terratec EWS64XL as a 4-channel audiocard with Logic. Anyone interested???

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Subject: Master Volume + Out3

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

Master volume doesn't seem to effect out3... any1 else have the same problem? 

.e
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Subject: Multi's - Tempory solution

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

For those who would like to dump sounds between the Multi edit buffers and sequencers, i've tested the following and whilest it is a bit cumbersome it'll do the trick until arrangement dump.

If however you aren't concerned with dumping multi's i'd suggest skippin the rest, since it's a bit technical and not all that interesting. 

-------------------
At present if you dump a sound to the virus it gets dumped into whatever single buffer you are ON THE VIRUS i.e. - if you are on single mode it gets dumped into single edit buffer, if you are in Multi part1 it gets dumped in2 multi part 1 edit buffer(it doesn't overwrite the sound that's LISTED, i.e. if you use V-PAD1, the dump won't overwrite V-PAD1, only the *copy* of V-PAD1 that's in your edit buffer), the same for Multi edit buffers 2-16. 

So if you want to dump a sound into a multi-edit buffer the trick lies in switching to that multi edit buffer first before dumping. 

Here is the step by step guide:

Set up you multi setting the way you want them - i.e. part1 enable on, channel1, part2 enagble on - channel 2, etc. Play around with the sounds in the different parts until it is exactly the way you want them.
Dump the MULTI-SETTINGS by using MultidumpTx(Multibuff). Make that your first sysx bank
Next, create the following SYSX bank : F0 00 20 33 01 10 72 00 7B 00 F7 ... this switches the virus to part1 of the multibank. You needn't send this to the virus, but if you do, it won't change any of your settings - you'd simply find that you are now looking at part1 on the virus (assuming that you are in Multi-single mode naturally!)
Now (assuming you are in part 1 on the virus) you can dump the Single edit buffer of PART1 by using MultiDumpTX (single dump) ... this will be your third SYSX Bank

Now these last few steps are repeated for each Multi-Part. To make the virus switch to multi-part2 the SYSX is :
F0 00 20 33 01 10 72 01 7B 01 F7
(increasing both the 8th and 10th bytes by 1 - this increase needs to be done for each part - up to mutilPart 16 which would look like this: F0 00 20 33 01 10 72 0F 7B 0F F7)
And then following that should be the Edit Buffer of Part2 

etc.
You don't need to dump anything in the parts you don't use, since their PART-ENABLE would already be switched off in the multi settings. 

So then the list of sysx banks you send to the virus at the beginning of the song is as follows:

1 - Multi setup
2 - switch to multipart1
3 - dump sound of multi part1
4 - switch to multipart2
5 - dump sound of multipart2
..etc

i did this in cakewalk, and it worked fine, i can provide example sysx banks to anyone interested.

If this is unclear or something doesn't seem to work, please feel free to ask any questions - there's always the possibility that i've forgotten some small detail !

.e


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Subject: Re: Master Volume + Out3

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In einer eMail vom 11.08.98 12:23:48 MEZ, schreiben Sie: 

<<
* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

Master volume doesn't seem to effect out3... any1 else have the same problem? 
>>
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* From: Davidzzz@aol.com

How does one reinitialize the virus back to it's factory sounds. Several of my patches seem to have become corrupted and I need to start over. 

Thanks

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Subject: Access about master volume and out 3 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

Yes, we all have this problem. Is it a problem? 

The Master Volume only controls Output 1 as the master output. Some Virus users use the Out 2&3 as auxiliary paths for external effects and return the effected signal to the Virus input again to mix it to the main output. If all ouputs were effected by the Master Volume, it would have a double volume effect to this loop.
Does somebody really have a problem with that solution? 


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* From: David Curtiss <curtis@arkstudios.com> 

I have a notron and love it. I also have had my fill of radiation and waited some time for the
virus and it's glorious knobs. A great match for the notron, so old school. 

The notron seems a little unwieldy but once you get it in your lap it all starts to make sense.


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Subject: Re: Access about master volume and out 3 

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______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Access about master volume and out 3 Author: access-list@tl36.teklab.com at Internet Date: 8/11/98 8:58 PM


* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

>Yes, we all have this problem. Is it a problem? 

>The Master Volume only controls Output 1 as the master output. Some Virus users use the Out 2&3 as auxiliary paths for external effects and return the effected signal to the Virus input again to mix it to the main output. If all ouputs were effected by the Master Volume, it would have a double volume effect to this loop.
>Does somebody really have a problem with that solution? 


nope..not me.

Mundo



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Subject: Re: Notron

* From: paul@softroom.demon.co.uk (Paul Nagle) 

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:00:45 -0400, access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 

>The notron seems a little unwieldy but once you get it in your lap it all starts to make sense.
Still waiting for the rack version....

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The "Mailing Lists @ TekLab" web page has been updated. The URL for this page is:

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Details on how to subscribe/unsubscribe to a list are now included on each individual lists web page - and should be referred to as much as possible in order to cut down on the hundreds of "how do I subscribe/unsubscribe?" messages that I get daily...

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* From: Doug Masla <synthwerks@earthlink.net> 

>* From: Ronald Pieket <chron@pacbell.net> 
>
>>* From: Triet Nguyen <triet@cs.utexas.edu> 
>>
>>Have you tried the Notron? I almost bought one, but chickened out at the last minute. I can privately email anyone the details as this little sequencer is tight.
>
>I think a real time step sequencer will make a wonderful combo with the Virus, especially after the Virus' control smoothing option (see an earlier thread) is made available. I'm mostly tempted by the Doepfer MAQ16/3, which is less complex than the Notron, and probably less powerful, but at least it lives in a rack. I kind of like the simplicity of the Doepfer. But then the Notron has serious potential and oozes coolness. Perhaps I should buy both...
>
>>>>As for real time stepsequencing and the Virus I have been using my Virus with the Doepfer Schaltwerk and the are a wonderfull marriage,I use it this way almost all the time.the Notron seems very interesting ,but I have bever seen ine here in LA. the ability to manipulate the schaltwerk in real time from the front panel and midi at the same time is great,lots of power and the abilty to improvise, 
something you can't do with the MAQ or a convent. seq. Cheers
Doug M.


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Subject: off topic: Korg Prophecy

Hello,
can anybody tell me where to find similiar lists for the Korg Prophecy? &#009;--------

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To: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> Subject: located?

canine,

i am located in antioch,il.us ( a small town between chicago,il and milwakee,wi ) . thanks for the info on the synth, i'll check out the web page. where are you located?


out,
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Subject: Re: more tired eyes than the Jay-man 

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

i think for the same reson you guys use hardware sequencers now, i have also switched to The roland vs-1680hard disc recorder recently. working in this fashion creates a freeform spontaneous way of composition i must credit mark pulver and paul nagle for turing me onto this method!!

i still use computers (2 ataris with M and pulsar and a mac with modularing midi tools, and cubase now) to create vignettes so to speak and then record them into the VS.

cheers
weld
p.s. the notron looks cool too!!! :-)
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Subject: Re: Access about master volume and out 3 

* From: monokrom@sirius.com

A little different here, but I just got an 01v and had notice an huge noise floor increase from the out put of the Virus. Wow, what happened?!!! Before I was using my mackie and didn't notice any noise...Not good! I guess the 01v has better dynamics (20 bit D/A), of course. 

-Monokromed



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Subject: Re: Access about master volume and out 3 

* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

>The Master Volume only controls Output 1 as the master output. Some Virus users use the Out 2&3 as auxiliary paths for external effects and return the effected signal to the Virus input again to mix it to the main output. If all ouputs were effected by the Master Volume, it would have a double volume effect to this loop.
>Does somebody really have a problem with that solution? 

In that case it is clearly the only solution. If however one uses out2/3 for delay or another sound, it is *nice* to be able to turn everything up/down with one button. HOWEVER - i realise that this is most probably a hardware setup, not a software one, so to change it for that is really not necessary - and even if there is a software solution - it'll only be a nice to have option - not critical at all. 

Thanks for the reply - it was more a question of curiosity than a request. 

.e


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Also, if you are on one of the other TekLab lists and figure you'd prefer not to annoy people with off topic posts, the Music Bar is the acceptable place to do it! Since anyone that's on the Music Bar list has already agreed to receive wandering topic music-related mail, they're not likely to flame you for it!

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* From: Dimitri Sijperda <di-mi@dds.nl>

Hello!

I´ve made a new recording of an experiment with the virus. It´s not really a finished song. You can download it at 145.99.128.7/dimi and it´s called second virus experiment. With winamp, you can stream it directly with ctrl-L at http://145.99.128.7/dimi/mp3/2ndvirus_experiment.mp3 

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CC: Gene Schwartz <implode@well.com>, jim b reay <ppgwave@bitstream.net> Subject: MAM SEQUENCER

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weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net wrote:
>
>hi
>you guys still planning to do a anaolog sequencer or was this a rumor???
>ythx
>jim
>long time rs3 and vf-11 user

Yes,
MAM will soon release the SQ 16 Stepsequencer, price about DM 620.-- We think it will be ready build in september or october 98. The basic idea behind the sequencer is the Roland TR 808 but with more features like two note tracks, full midi capability, more RAM and other special features which makes it easier to create grooving sequencer lines. The SQ 16 has 4 x 16 steps in 4 banks, 14 instruments (for each you can define an own midi channel, different velocity curves, note numbers and more), 2 note tracks (for each you define the midi channel, vel curves, rotate functions and more). Nearly everything you can send out via midi and record it realtime in a computer sequencer (SysEx) or store it internally. Modes: pattern with pattern loop, song (64 steps) and song chain and will be
very easy in use especially for live usage. Connections: Midi In/Out/Thru, DIN 24 Sync Out 

kindly regards
Stefan
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Subject: To Access Midi Tools - MW-Programmer 

* From: "Marcus Mühlpfordt" <marcus.muehlpfordt@student.uni-halle.de> 

Hi,
and sorry for the use of your list - this posting is addressed to Christoph Kemper and Guido Kirsch from Access Midi Tools - I´ve tryed to contact them in a lot of ways but without success yet... I like to modify their MW-Programmer, but I need some help now and hope they can and want to help me... 

Mein Prob is folgendes: der MW-Programmer (V.2.1) sendet doch Sysex-msg´s. Nun möchte ich (und evtl. auch andere) das Teil auch mal zum ´rumschrauben an anderen Synths oder zum Bedienen diverser Software (z.B. Logic) verwenden. Mir würde es vollkommen ausreichen, wenn sich der Programmer per Tastenkombi in einen zweiten Modus umschalten lasen könnte, in dem die Regler pure Midi-Controller-Msg´s senden. Welche, ist eher egal, von mir aus auch einfach durchnummeriert...
Man muß sich ja nicht unbedingt gleich einen Peavey PC 1600x kaufen... 

Über eine Nachricht würde ich mich sehr freuen... 

Bei entsprechender Unterstützung/ Docu bin ich sicher auch in der Lage, einen Teil der Programmier-/ Testarbeit selbst zu übernehmen... 

Diese Idee habe ich übrigens auch schon "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> per
E-Mail übermittelt - seit dem läßt er aber nichts mehr von sich hören... 

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* From: Erich.Wehmeyer@SANLAM.CO.ZA

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Subject: OT: Stolen Synth registry anyone? 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

Attention: crossposted to logic-users@mcc.ac.uk and access-list@tl36.teklab.com! Please make sure you are replying to the right list...!


Hi list

while reading about a similar list for stolen powerBooks I started wondering if there was a list on the internet that has stolen synths, smaplers etc. listed. I think it would make good sense for everyone to know about such a list and would like to link to it from the virus site (http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus). (and would like to encourage others to link to a list like that also). After all in case you synth is stolen and you post its number to list -- what good does it do if nobody knows about such lists and never looks into them before buying...? 

thus. If you know any links to resources for stolen musical equipment, please let me know.

thanks


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To: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> Subject: re-virus

~!@#$%^&*()_+ b e g i n - t r a n s m i s s i o n +_)(*&^%$#@!~ 

hey canine,
what's up? not much on this side of the world. today was my day off work, which i spent goofing off. rode my piece of sh*t motorcycle back from chicago (last night was drum&bass night at "madbar" which wasn't good due to lousy dj's...there was some attractive women present however) then came home to the play station and the computer. that's about all i got so far. as far as the purchase of the access virus, nord lead 2, or jp 8000, that stuff is all out of my reach for now due to money restrictions. i need to work on a resume and get a better job, then maybe i could get some expensive stuff. right now my gearlist is small. i have a moog "source" analogue, a realistic (moog) mg-1, a bass guitar, sequential "tom" drum machine, and a very slow (p-75mhg) computer w/awe 32 carrying a whopping 2mb sample ram. i do hope to get more stuff soon though. anyway, that's all that's going on in antioch, il. us. out for now

sean

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Subject: Bug or Feature ??

* From: b-La-roc <b.la.rock@lineone.net> 

Dear Virus Users,

Have you noticed this .....?

.........in monophonic mode
each key press has the usual mapping of
velocity to volume i.e. the harder you
strike the louder the sound ...

but ....

if you strike and hold a note down
and then whilst holding the note strike
other keys ... the new notes sound
with the same velocity as the
original note and take no regard
of how hard or soft you strike
the new note ...

So my question is this ....

Bug .. or Feature !!

peace

b

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Subject: Re: Some background on the list 

* From: monokrom@sirius.com

Why in the hell would someone what a photograph--what is this!!!!!??????? -Monokrom

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: Marian Kubinec <marian@mudecin.space.cz> 
>
>Send me the Photo of U please. :-)))))
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>>
>>One woman synthesist here! - the list comes through on my husbands account. I love the Virus...
>>
>>Christine
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X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 144e" Subject: chorus feedback

* From: steven.de.mesmaker@atlascopco.com 

i'm new to this mailing list so i don't know anybody noticed this 'minor problem' yet... As you know the new OS 1.54 makes it possible to have negative values for chorus feedback BUT ONLY in the EDIT-menu, if you make the chorus feedback a DEFINABLE the value goes from 0 to 127 ( and not -64 to 63 ), this different display makes no change to the sound, but still it's a little confusing. 

Maybe something for OS 1.55 together with some new features ? 

We can only hope so


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* From: monokrom@sirius.com

What does this have to do with Access Virus? 

Monokromed

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>
>>Send me the Photo of U please. :-))))) 
>>
>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:
>
>http://www.zork.com/music.html
>
>cmu
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Subject: Re: Bug or Feature ??

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 2:53 AM +0200 on 19.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>* From: b-La-roc <b.la.rock@lineone.net> 

>
>if you strike and hold a note down
>and then whilst holding the note strike other keys ... the new notes sound
>with the same velocity as the
>original note and take no regard
>of how hard or soft you strike
>the new note ...
>
>So my question is this ....
>
>Bug .. or Feature !!

Well this is the point of some monophonic modes -- there is no restrike of the envelopes or anything if you play legato, so it is just a feature. In the German manual it's on page 55, you can find it in the "Common" section of the manual, listed under "soundparameters in the CTRL menu (Single)". There is a good explanation of what the different mono modes do to legato notes.

enjoy....!


think different!

Canine

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Subject: Some background on the list

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

Hi there my dear list,

Just to give you an idea about who we are dealing with, I wanted to give you some background on the list.

There are over 140 members on the Virus list right now. They are from all different countries of the world: Austria, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, UK, USA, Portugal, Spain, France, Italy, New Zealand, South Africa, Denmark, Czech Republik, Taiwan and lots of EDU, COM, NET, AOL, and other domains.

I haven't looked extremely thoroughly but I couldn't find any names that suggest that there are any women interested in the Virus yet. Or maybe they don't read and write about it but just use it... Or maybe Access needs to appeal to female synthsists a lot more to get them interested in the Virus....

Several Access people are subscribed to the list, so it is ensured that everything posted to the list will be read by access. This means that all of your wishes and suggestions have been heard. 

Is there anything else you need to know? Oh, maybe this: since the first message on this list I collected 1309 messages from this list. I don't think I missed that many messages, so this is a pretty accurate number I suppose... This amounts to just over seven messages per day, a very healthy number that makes this list very readable and enjoyble. 

keep up the good spirits everybody...!




think different!

Canine

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Subject: list suggestion

* From: Dimitri Sijperda <di-mi@dds.nl>

Hello!

I have a suggestion:
Since there have already been a lot of messages, these messages may be a nice knowledge bank about the virus to put on a web page. 

Another suggestion: The sender of the 1500th message gets a Virus for free! :) (I could alwys use an other one, and another, and another..) 

Dimitri.
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Subject: Re: Some background on the list 

* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>

One woman synthesist here! - the list comes through on my husbands account. I love the Virus...

Christine
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Subject: Re: photo

* From: monokrom@sirius.com

I'll take one!

Monokrom

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>
>>What does this have to do with Access Virus? 
>>
>>Monokromed
>>
>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>Sorry - back on topic... anyone interested in a Virus Console for Digital Performer? - it allows for the simultaneous mutation of multiple parts. email & I'll send you a copy.
>
>cmu
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Subject: re: photo

* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>

>Send me the Photo of U please. :-)))))
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:

http://www.zork.com/music.html

cmu
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Subject: Slightly off topic: CD Burning

* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de 

Hi fellow Virus users,

I've sampled some sounds from my Virus and am trying to find out how to burn a CD-ROM of these sounds for my poor brother, who hasn't got a Virus, but has a Emu-ESI4000 sampler just like mine. I have access to a Pentium PC with Windows NT4.0, SCSI CD-Writer and SCSI-Harddisk and also a SCSI Zip Drive. But how do I get the sounds onto CD-ROM in Emu format ??? The problem is, that the Emu format on the Zip media is unreadable for the PC.
Or does anyone know of a good Emu mailing list where I can pick up some tips?

J.

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Subject: MDF Midi Data Filer for DOS/WINDOWS 

* From: Dimitri Sijperda <di-mi@dds.nl>

Hello!

This seeems to be a great programm:

Type in a dos box

mdf.exe [unnknownfilename]

to record a MIDI dump (virus MIDI dump...?) and

mdf.exe [existingfilename] to dump it to the virus. 

Very practical, and it seems to be quite reliable... I did only one test, and that worked.

Dimitri
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Subject: MDF Midi Data Filer for DOS/WINDOWS 

* From: Dimitri Sijperda <di-mi@dds.nl>

Oyeah, an URL would be nice....i forgot, sorry! It is ftp://ftp.cs.ruu.nl/pub/MIDI/PROGRAMMS/MSDOS/mdf40.zip 

Dimitri.
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Subject: Re: Some background on the list 

* From: alexander renner <alexander.renner@univie.ac.at> 

Hey be careful, she has a husband
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* From: steven.de.mesmaker@atlascopco.com 

Maybe Access should make a pink version of the Virus to attract more female synthsists...? 



If you need more information about
the Atlas Copco Group, take a look
at our Web Site:
http://www.atlascopco.com

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Subject: Re: OT : Plugins

* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de 

Martin said (condensed) :

>anyone out there who could tell me how
>to program Audio-plugins?

Well, Steinberg will let you download a free plugin development kit from their
web site. Wavelab and VST are supported: 

http://www.steinberg.net/service/development.html 

But I'm afraid you will need some C++ knowledge. 

J.

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Subject: Re: photo

* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>

>What does this have to do with Access Virus? 
>
>Monokromed
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

Sorry - back on topic... anyone interested in a Virus Console for Digital Performer? - it allows for the simultaneous mutation of multiple parts. email & I'll send you a copy.

cmu
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Subject: Emu CD-Rom

* From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck <Merengue@mail.dma.be> 

Hey,

To make a CD-Rom in Emu format: just burn the RAW data onto a CD-Rom and it should work.
You need a program that can make some sort of SCSI-copy onto CD-Rom. I work the same way to burn Akai CD-Rom's. I burn from Jaz-drive though.... I don't know whether a ZIP-drive will be fast enough (or maybe you can copy everything to a SCSI harddisk first...?)
If anyone needs further info on this topic, you can mail me privately (since it's way off topic).

Ciao,
Joeri Vankeirsbilck

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Organization: very unorganized
To: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> Subject: wednesday reply

~!@#$%^&*()_+ b e g i n - t r a n s m i s s i o n +_)(*&^%$#@!~ 

hey canine,

just reading through my e-mail, and getting ready to go to work. i am into industrial music, and have always been a big waxtrax fan. i like ministry, and pigface. my favorite waxtrax bands are: KMFDM, front 242, and diewarsaw. i also like a lot of other music too, punk,blues,some classical, and i am a big fan of techno/electronic...anything that makes good use of analogue and rare vintage equipment i was working with a friend who was the best guitar player i've ever seen on some songs a couple years back. we recorded a few tracks ( a couple really good ), but ended up in a fight over a girl, and haven't talked since. i do miss hanging out with him, and working with him, but i was in the wrong to mess with a girl he really liked, and i don't think we'll work together any time soon. the "tom" drum machine i have was made in the middle 80's, and is very cool for it's time, and was cheap. it has midi, realtime reverse, and because it plays voices like a synth, you can supposedly layer 4 ( max ) of the same drums on top of each other. you can also tune each drum sound individually over a fairly wide range. i have not figured out how to work everything on it yet, as i have no documentation for it. until i have some money, it's the closest i will come to an analogue drum machine...besides rebirth, which i can't run at the same time as cakewalk or cubase, because my computer is too slow. you can check out the "tom", at the virtual synth museum at: http://www.synthmuseum.com/sequ/seqtom01.html i haven't tried to run any audio source through the mg-1's filter yet, but i am curious, and will eventually. i'd also like to do the mod for putting audio through the oscillators the guy i kind of knew who worked on moog's no longer has a web page, so i don't know it i can get a hold of him. i know that there is plans/instructions for mods at the sonic state web sight, but i haven't looked at them closely to see if it's something that i could do myself. anyway, i'm off to work in five minutes. talk to you later.

sean-out

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:39:32 -0700
Subject: Re: OT: Plugins

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 11:56 PM 8/2/98 +0200, you wrote:
>* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>
>
>To all infected!
>
>I'm sorry this is a bit off-topic: anyone out there who could tell me how to program Audio-plugins? I hate to buy them, and anyway: if I need a compressor I still use a waveeditor.

Try posting this message to the Music Bar mailing list. 

Details on how to subscribe are here:

		http://www.teklab.com/services/mailinglists/ 


j.

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Subject: Re: Slightly off topic: CD Burning 

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

>SCSI-Harddisk and also a SCSI Zip Drive. But how do I get the sounds onto CD-ROM in Emu format ??? The problem is, that the Emu format on the Zip media is unreadable for the PC.

Presumably you could do an ISO copy of the Zip disk containing your Emu samples onto a CD.

Check out the GoldenHawk CD tools for details on how to do this: 

	http://www.goldenhawk.net (or maybe .com, I forget) 

Effectively, what you're doing is making a duplicate of the Zip drive onto your CD-R, and to the Emu this appears as an Emu formatted CD. 

At least, this works for the Yamaha A3000, so I'm assuming it'll work for the Emu. I have done it successfully quite a few times for my A3k. 



j.

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Subject: RE: Slightly off topic: CD Burning 

* From: Boehm Thomas-Lars <Thomas-Lars.Boehm@dyckerhoff.de> 

Hi !

Allthough it is off topic, here's an answer to you problem : you can find a utility called disk2file.exe at http://www.zicweb.com (look for "tools"). This little shareware program runs with dos only and creates a raw disc image of any connect SCSI drive. Burn this image to a CDR and you got your own sampler-specific CD-ROM. 

Greetings to all infected,
TL-Bee

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:09 +0200
Organization: Stay Sane Media
Subject: Re: photo

* From: Roland Guyt <Roland@StaySane.nl> 

>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:

Mmm.. looks like she is not kidding guys :-) 

Seriously.. very interesting music you have there. Some tracks are very relaxing. My favourites are Alchemical Modulation and A Gift from Ninshubar. I like the soft, slowly evolving metallic rhythm in those. 

Thanks,

Roland


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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:36:10 +0200
Subject: Access Replys to Mono-Mode / Chorus Feedback 

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 


Hi girls and boys :)



RE:Mono Mode


<if you strike and hold a note down
<and then whilst holding the note strike <other keys ... the new notes sound
<with the same velocity as the
<original note and take no regard
<of how hard or soft you strike
<the new note ...

<So my question is this ....

<Bug .. or Feature !!




This is not a bug.
In Legato Mode (Mono 3&4) the velocity of the first note is taken for the next legato played note, same as envelopes etc. 

In Trigger Mode (Mono 1&2) every note has its own velocity. 

There is a reason for that:
The velocity is not a continuous changing modulator like an LFO, etc., but static modulation that is changed immediately by a new note-on. Since these changes are immediate and so rapid, they would cause e.g. clicks, if you assign the velocity to volume.
A solution would have been to smooth this velocity alteration, but this will cause strange effects like parameter glitches and slides on the beginning of the note.

You will remember that we already discussed the avoiding of those glitches caused by the control smoothing, a couple days ago. 

In Trigger Mode, we supply the Velocity to every note; clicks are avoided by the same advanced algorithm that also handles polyphonic sounds. 



RE: Chorus Feedback

<As you know the new OS 1.54 makes it possible to have negative values for chorus feedback BUT <ONLY in the EDIT-menu, if you make the chorus feedback a DEFINABLE the value goes from 0 to 127 <( and not -64 to 63 ), this different display makes no change to the sound, but still it's a <little confusing. 


This is a wrong display format. We'll change this for the next version. 


Thanks for your support

Christoph Kemper
ACCESS Music Electronics

think different!

Canine

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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:03:32 -0400
Organization: weld electronica
Subject: Re: photo

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

stop being so anal and have some fun

jeeessseeee
weld


access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>* From: monokrom@sirius.com
>
>What does this have to do with Access Virus? 
>
>Monokromed
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>>
>>>Send me the Photo of U please. :-))))) 
>>>
>>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>>
>>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:
>>
>>http://www.zork.com/music.html
>>
>>cmu
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:34:00 +0200
Subject: Re: Some background on the list 

* From: Marian Kubinec <marian@mudecin.space.cz> 

Send me the Photo of U please. :-)))))

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>
>One woman synthesist here! - the list comes through on my husbands account. I love the Virus...
>
>Christine
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Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:14:58 -0700
Organization: Laughing Buddha Music Productions Subject: Re: photo

* From: Buddha <buddha@dial.pipex.com>



access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>
>>Send me the Photo of U please. :-))))) 
>>
>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:



Er, Sorry??
What's this got to do with the Virus?
Don't lose the plot guys (and gals)

Bilbo Bagginz

>
>
>http://www.zork.com/music.html
>
>cmu
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:27:08 EDT
Subject: Re: Slightly off topic: CD Burning 

* From: Elhardt@aol.com

<<I have access to a Pentium PC with Windows NT4.0>> 

Pentium PC ? YOU'RE NOT THINKING DIFFERENT ! 

-Elhardt
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X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 144e" Subject: RE: Slightly off topic: CD Burning 

* From: steven.de.mesmaker@atlascopco.com 

I have received and read Your message regarding: RE: Slightly off topic: CD Burning

This receipt was automatically generated upon Your request 



If you need more information about
the Atlas Copco Group, take a look
at our Web Site:
http://www.atlascopco.com

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 9:21:01 +0000
Subject: Registriert: Holt, John-Adrian (WDE) 

* From: john-adrian.holt@itgw01.schlafhorst.de 

Microsoft Mail v3.0 IPM.Microsoft Mail.Read Receipt Von: Holt, John-Adrian (WDE)
Gesendet am: 1998-08-20 09:08
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X-Sender: mzuther@pop.gmx.net
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:28:36 +0200
Subject: Re: photo

* From: Martin Zuther <mzuther@gmx.de>

Hey everyone!

Once I included a whole message, just for you guys to have a look at what you do. I'm a little annoyed because I always get messages like this one: more than twenty lines of "yes, my mailprogram can ALSO include the whole message" and a single line of comment. Couldn't you just copy them relevant lines? Would be very appreciated over here! BTW, if someone was annoyed because of my "wrong date" mails: I've got a low backup-battery on my mainboard. Just changed the date manually. Sorry! 

Martin



>* From: monokrom@sirius.com
>
>What does this have to do with Access Virus? 
>
>Monokromed
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>>
>>>Send me the Photo of U please. :-))))) 
>>>
>>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>>
>>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:
>>
>>http://www.zork.com/music.html
>>
>>cmu
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X-Sender: visnick@mail.europa.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 08:17:42 -0700
Subject: Re: Some background on the list 

* From: Marc Visnick <marc@jli.com>

At 06:05 PM 8/19/98 +0200, you wrote:
>* From: steven.de.mesmaker@atlascopco.com 
>
>Maybe Access should make a pink version of the Virus to attract more 
female synthsists...?

Alright, let's drop this thread already... 

		-marc

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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 20:15:46 +0200
Subject: Re: photo

* From: Marian Kubinec <marian@mudecin.space.cz> 

Yeah!!!
I know U . Husband is ex ZZ Top Guitar Player. :-))))) Changing gutiar to virus.

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>
>
>>Send me the Photo of U please. :-))))) 
>>
>>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>You are invited to view a photo of me (and my large, heavily tattooed husband) at:
>
>http://www.zork.com/music.html
>
>cmu
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To: access-list@tl36.teklab.com
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 98 21:05:06 -0500
x-sender: evening@pop.ulster.net
Subject: apologetic ARP & LFO SYNC

* From: evening <evening@ulster.net>

an Apology:

What started as a joke has gone very, very wrong. From this email on I solemly swear to never make an attempt at humor on this list again or within 3 feet of my Virus. Oh! how could I not see how my lapse into frivolity could upset the fragile balance of the mailing list? The perfect order in which all of our bits & bytes of ACSI data are kept was nearly toppled by my lack of reverence... I am ashamed. As a pennance I will furrow my brow & frown when using the virus & make sure that all of the knobs are either perfectly centered or fully counterclockwise (depending on their "0" position of course) before beginning any composition, which will no doubt be solemn for quite some time. Again I am very sorry.

And now back to the extremely serious topic at hand - Has anyone noticed that when sending controller data to change the LFO & Arrpegiator sync that more choices appear than are usually available by turning the knob or using the increment buttons?

specifically: while sending Poly Pressure data to control the Arp, LFO1 & LFO2 sync* as it relates to the internal or external clock (on keys F-1, F#-1 & G-1) if you send a value of 17,18 or 19 the displays shows sync choices 1/1, 2/1, & 4/1. These choices do function. These are not available from the front panel which stops at 3/4. It's a nice suprise to have the Arp & LFO *slower* than the clock... Has this been documented anywhere? just wondering 

*high page must be set to respond to Poly Pressure 

regards,

cmu

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X-Originating-IP: [193.243.244.2]
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 07:40:08 PDT
Subject: return of synchro mesh...

* From: "Pierre Zeeman" <pierrezee@hotmail.com> 

Greetings to the Infected

Thanks for your replies which I have now had the opportunity to read carefully. I must say it is sort of what I thought the problem might be (I have experienced drift with my TB and a Sync 24 interface as well) but it is irritating nonetheless. Has anyone come up with a solution to the problem? I am aware of digital devices (like word clocks) to ensure that an entire system's timing remains tight, is there anything that would serve the same function for MIDI clocks? Is there perhaps something in Cubase I should be tweaking (although I've tried just about everything)? Is there a MIDI interface that works reliably with Cubase and the Virus? I'm sorry if I'm retreading old ground here but there was nothing in any of the replies about actually fixing the problem, just an explanation of what it is. Even retriggering arps is not really a workable solution as this does not help with LFOs or delaysÖ 

Thanks for listening

Pierre

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Organization: very unorganized
To: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> Subject: new synth friday

~!@#$%^&*()_+ b e g i n - t r a n s m i s s i o n +_)(*&^%$#@!~ 

hey canine,

i had a nice day off on thursday. slept in late. did some laundry, then while looking through the "trading times", a chicagoland buy/sell paper, i found an ad for a roland hs-60 for $150.00 or best offer. i had to give this girl $200.00 for it, because somebody else had an appointment to look at it earlier than me, but it seems well worth it as it is in very good shape w/manuals. there was also an arp odyssey in the paper for $500.00, but that's more than i can afford for a mono (or duo, i can't remember) phonic synth. anyway, i'm glad to have the hs-60 as i have wanted a juno 106 for a long time, and this is basically the same thing plus onboard speakers. talk to you later. 

sean-out

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:29:45 -0700
Organization: Laughing Buddha Music Productions Subject: How Does The Virus Compare?

* From: Buddha <buddha@dial.pipex.com>

After working with the Virus in a "real" situation for some time now it has definately become apparent that a compare function is sorely lacking.
Not being able to reference the patch as it originally was, without resorting
to saving at a different location, then attempting to jump between the original
and edited patch, definately makes life a lot more difficult In fact it becomes
impossible to do a quick a/b test in situ., which is where it's required.

Is this going to be implemented in the future software upgrade? 

Thanks for making such a great synth.

Bilbo Bagginz




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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 14:46:32 -0700
Subject: Where to buy a Virus?

* From: Anthony Collins <anti@cats.ucsc.edu> 

Where is the cheapest place do get a Virus in the USA? They seem quite hard to get.

Xylene
anti@cats.ucsc.edu

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Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:00:46 -0400
Organization: weld electronica
Subject: Re: Where to buy a Virus?

* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 

try john mika at music cental
i would of said eurosynth but howard hatfiled seems to have dissapeared . do a search for music central website weld

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>
>* From: Anthony Collins <anti@cats.ucsc.edu> 
>
>Where is the cheapest place do get a Virus in the USA? They seem quite hard to get.
>
>Xylene
>anti@cats.ucsc.edu
>
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Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 11:21:35 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: Where to buy a Virus?

* From: David Tinapple <tinapple@osc.edu> 

The Guitar Center in both cleaveland and boston regularly has them in stock and at good prices. I had a good experience with their staff also. I bought mine from guitar center cleaveland. call there and ask for shawn. He knows all about the virus and is very helpful. 440-777-7900 

-Dave


On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 

>* From: weldelectronica@worldnet.att.net 
>
>try john mika at music cental
>i would of said eurosynth but howard hatfiled seems to have dissapeared . do a search for music central website weld
>
>access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>>
>>* From: Anthony Collins <anti@cats.ucsc.edu> 
>>
>>Where is the cheapest place do get a Virus in the USA? They seem quite hard to get.
>>
>>Xylene
>>anti@cats.ucsc.edu
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Systems Developer/Engineer
Ohio Supercomputer Center
tinapple@osc.edu

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 01:48:37 +0100
Subject: Displayproblems

* From: Anders Palmqvist <anders.palmqvist@swipnet.se> 

Why does the Virus drop out of edit- and controlmode so easily sometimes? I think this is mostly a problem in the combined multi/ singlemode. And it´s while running Cubase in "play". It´s like it´s too busy, flipping back to show just the name of the part.
Stopping Cubase makes the problem go away. Is there any parameter in the Virus or in Cubase to make this happen less often, or is this something for a later upgrade?

also

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 98 11:38:00 +0200
x-sender: pnt03098@mail.real-net.de
Subject: Re: sounds

* From: Raymund Beyer <brainray@real-net.de> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:

>* From: alexander renner <alexander.renner@univie.ac.at> 
>
>Hi virus-maniacs,
>
>I´m looking for new sounds. Some weeks ago somebody (paul nagle?) wrote he will program a bank full.
>Are these patches available now?
>

Hi Alex,

at the end of this week I will upoad the first 40 list-sounds (sounds from members of this list). I will notify you here. 

BUT: If you also have some sounds you would like to share: post them to me and I will compile them with the others. Also if its only a few sounds :-) 

Ray

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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:24:53 +0000
Organization: Institute for Immunology
Subject: sounds

* From: alexander renner <alexander.renner@univie.ac.at> 

Hi virus-maniacs,

I´m looking for new sounds. Some weeks ago somebody (paul nagle?) wrote he will program a bank full.
Are these patches available now?

alex
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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:12:10 -0700
Subject: Computer voices.

* From: Ronald Pieket <rpieket@shell9.ba.best.com> 

Hi all -

I've been playing around with some sounds based on formants of human speech. This uses two resonant bandpass filters in parallel. 

The results are pretty good. After having programmed individual formants, I decided to make some "playable" computer voices. That is, you modulate a midi controller and the voice glides between two vowels. If you want to check it out - there is one in my archive on my home page:

http://www.best.com/~rpieket/VirusSounds.html 

The "playable" computer voice on my home page goes from "aaah" to "iiih". This involves the formant filters moving in opposite directions: as one moves up through the frequency spectrum, the other moves down. By using the "assign 2" function in the "control" menu, this opposite motion can be controlled by a single midi controller or "definable" knob.

I have another useful "playable" computer voice, which goes from "oooh" to "aaah" (not in the archive - maybe next time). In this case, the formants move in the same direction, but by different amounts. 

Now ideally, I would like to combine the two, so that one knob can change the voice from "oooh" via "aaah" to "iiih". 

But there is a problem: in the "oooh" to "aaah" range, the filters have to move in parallel. In the "aaah" to "iiih" range, they must move in opposite directions.

Can anyone come up with a clever patching scheme which allows this to be controlled by a single controller?

- Ronald.
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X-Sender: jay@teklab.com
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:26:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Computer voices.

* From: tek1 -- Jay Vaughan <jay@teklab.com> 

At 10:12 PM 8/24/98 -0700, you wrote:
>* From: Ronald Pieket <rpieket@shell9.ba.best.com> 
>
>Hi all -
>
>I've been playing around with some sounds based on formants of human speech. This uses two resonant bandpass filters in parallel. 
>

Hi Ronald!

This is exciting stuff -- but since my Virus is currently unavailable, any chance you could make some samples for us to hear? I'd really like to experience the formant stuff as you intend them to be played... 



j.

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|	la, calif.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 08:16:46 +0200
X-Priority: 3
Subject: Soundset

* From: "Rob Papen" <robpapen@multiweb.nl> 

Hi all,

It did take a hole lot of time and work, but now it is ready and it is.... 

The Signature Soundset Rob Papen for the Access Virus. 

It comes together with 32 multies and a readme file. 

How to find this set: read down below and sorry it is not for free because it is a professional set.

Regards,

Rob Papen





How to receive the Rob Papen Signature Sound-set : 

Transfer to bank account: 14.20.11.649 (Rabobank) Holland, Rob Papen Sound-Design & Music
Hfl 65,-- (dutch currency, best to do) our DM 60,-- our US $ 35 Mention also your e-mail address.
Send me also an e-mail that you have transfered. After the transfer you will receive the set by e-mail. 

Notice: each set has it's own personal serial number and by ordering the set you respect the copy-rights of this set. 






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Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:57:57 -0700
Subject: Re: Computer voices.

* From: Ronald Pieket <rpieket@shell9.ba.best.com> 

>>I've been playing around with some sounds based on formants of human speech. This uses two resonant bandpass filters in parallel. 
>
>This is exciting stuff -- but since my Virus is currently unavailable, any chance you could make some samples for us to hear? I'd really like to experience the formant stuff as you intend them to be played... 

Sorry - I'm not set up for sampling. I hope you get your Virus back soon.

In addendum to my previous post: I have added the "aaah" to "oooh" modulation to the patches on my home page. Now definable knob 1 (midi controller #12) will sweep from "aaah" to "iiih", and definable knob 2 (midi controller #13) from "aaah" to "oooh". 

For the most natural result (relatively speaking), leave one knob in the zero position, while playing with the other. Return a knob to zero before twisting the other. If you play with both knobs at the same time, or leave one in a middle position, you will get some un-human vowel sounds - which may be cool too.

The patch called "V:Formant" is a dry computer voice for purists. The patch "V:Talking" has the same formant modulations, but is more complex and fancy, with detuned oscillators, noise, and a lot more going on. 

- Ronald.

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X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 151e" Subject: 255 ?

* From: steven.de.mesmaker@atlascopco.com 

Dear Virusiotics,

since my upgrade to OS1.54, it happened more than once that my value parameter changes to value 255 for no reason, this happens while changing a value or shortly after that. 

it's only a display-problem, it doesn't do anything to the sound 

is there anyone who has/had the same problem ? or what can i do to stop this display error ? 

Greetings,
Steven


If you need more information about
the Atlas Copco Group, take a look
at our Web Site:
http://www.atlascopco.com

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:23:15 +0200
Subject: Re: 255 ?

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 12:05 PM +0200 on 25.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>is there anyone who has/had the same problem ? or what can i do to stop this display error ?

yes, my virus has been doing it as well. I don't worry and wait for the next updata...


think different!

Canine

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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:05:24 -0700
Subject: Re: 255 ?

* From: Ronald Pieket <rpieket@shell9.ba.best.com> 

access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote:
>* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> yes, my virus has been doing it as well. I don't worry and wait for the next updata...

Speaking of which... How is it coming along? Do you know of any new features?

- Ronald.
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Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:13:24 +0200
Subject: Re: 255 ?

* From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" <canine@muenster.de> 

At 6:05 PM +0200 on 25.08.1998 access-list@tl36.teklab.com wrote: 
>>next updata...
>
>Speaking of which... How is it coming along? Do you know of any new features?

actually, no, I haven't heard of anything yet. No dates, no new features, nothing. I have been very busy and so it's been a while since I last spoke to access at all.

I will let you know as soon as I know anything. 


think different!

Canine

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X-Engine: "TFS Engine Release 3.12 Build 151e" Subject: panorama

* From: steven.de.mesmaker@Atlascopco.com 

Dear Virusiotics,

when playing with the Virus in single mode i noticed that the balance of the left and right led-meter on my mixing desk wasn't balanced, but my panorama-setting in the Virus was 0.Is there any explanation for this ? this didn't happen with one soundsetting, but with all of them. 


another stereo-problem occured when using the inputs of the Virus, i started from the original 'INPUT' factory setting , when sending a stereo signal through the input i only had mono - out, so i checked the panorama setting and it was -64, problem solved you would think, so i changed the panorama setting to 0, but after a few knob twiddles on cut-off and resonance, the virus himself changed the setting again to -64. I turned the Virus off and on, but still after a short time the Virus changes it's panorama setting again to -64...?! Then i tried to store the panorama settings while panorma was still 0, but idem dito...changed again to -64. 

anybody out there who has the same problems or knows what i'm doing wrong ? 

Greetings,
Steven


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the Atlas Copco Group, take a look
at our Web Site:
http://www.atlascopco.com

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Organization: Sinlyncxhyl-Studios
Subject: sysex via cakewalk?

* From: Kanou Ame <KanouAme@derpatriot.com> 

hey yo freakin' virus user,

how is it possible to receive and send sysex for my virus via cakewalk v 7.0?

thanx in advance to all of you,

kanou

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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:13:51 -0700
Subject: Re: sysex via cakewalk?

* From: chacha@matrixdm.com (Chris Jones) 


goto to the view menu item and choose sysx... which give you the sysex dialog. Then you can send and recieve sysex messages. 

Chris.

At 08:13 PM 27.8.1998 +0200, you wrote:
>* From: Kanou Ame <KanouAme@derpatriot.com> 
>
>hey yo freakin' virus user,
>
>how is it possible to receive and send sysex for my virus via cakewalk v 7.0?
>
>thanx in advance to all of you,
>
>kanou
>
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