X-From_: access-list-return-3965-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 20:16:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: bhook@verant.com Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 11:30:31 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Brian Hook Subject: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? I've found the Cakewalk instrument definition for 2.01 at Canine's site...is there one for 2.52? Thanks, Brian X-From_: access-list-return-3966-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 21:00:59 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Sune Gellert" To: Subject: weird output Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:20:45 +0200 X-Priority: 3 Hey there I have a little problem with my Virus A. (OS 2.52) When I use it in multimode from Cakewalk 9, the output seems a bit "irregular" I use the preset patch C85 as a kick drum, with no changes. The problem is "only" present when I have other sounds from the Virus triggered at the same time as the kick. Listen to mp3Êat http://silicontrip.nu/Sound003.mp3Ê, Êwhere I recorded a small loop, and notice how the kicks sound a little irregular. I would appreciate any advice Thanks in advance /Sune X-From_: access-list-return-3967-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 21:06:53 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Sune Gellert" To: Subject: Re: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:26:35 +0200 X-Priority: 3 Try http://silicontrip.nu/virus251.zip it works fine with 2.52 /Sune ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Hook To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? >I've found the Cakewalk instrument definition for 2.01 at Canine's site...is there one for 2.52? > >Thanks, > >Brian > > X-From_: access-list-return-3968-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 21:23:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 15:37:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron E Havill To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: jiggly power cord input I too am nervous about the power cord connection, it doesn't take too much to pull it loose, and to make matters worse there's no strain-relief widget to keep the cord in place. Not only do you risk losing sound at a critical moment, but you send out that speaker-blowing POP that the virus makes when shut off. Also, the power suply housing (the box part of it in the middle of the cord) came to me all fucked up. It ws loose with a plastic piece rattling around inside, and the rubber part around the wire which is supposed to secure the wire where it comes out of the box was missing, so I had to make this big ugly mess out of duct tape just to feel safe enough to take the synth anywhere.X-From_: access-list-return-3969-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 23:38:18 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:52:06 +0200 From: Groove303@t-online.de (Jens Wegerhoff) X-Accept-Language: de,en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? X-Sender: 02267880859-0001@t-dialin.net check also aubrey kloppers ins. definition! http://go.to/cyber7 the 2.01 you«ve found at canines site was my last update for cakewalk.and it«s not even complete. i«m now a happy logic user.there«s no need for cakewalk anymore for me. stay fresh jens Sune Gellert schrieb: > >Try http://silicontrip.nu/virus251.zip it works fine with 2.52 > >/Sune > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Brian Hook >To: >Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 8:30 PM >Subject: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? > >>I've found the Cakewalk instrument definition for 2.01 at Canine's site...is there one for 2.52? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Brian >> >> X-From_: access-list-return-3970-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 23:57:05 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 00:11:07 +0200 From: Groove303@t-online.de (Jens Wegerhoff) X-Accept-Language: de,en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus. X-Sender: 02267880859-0001@t-dialin.net hi, i`ve posted a similar mail like this months ago. the editable arp or sequencer for the virus is a very old story. i think it«s not a problem for access to implement these functions, but they«ve never done it and they«ll nerver do, i think.in my eyes the virus user-interface is not designed for it. i don«t like hardcore parameter-stepping "only" to create a little sequence. some people want to use it for live performance.is a hard to use sequencer in the virus usefull for liveacts ? hmm ? there is other stuff on the market to do a sequencer or arp job. jens Brian Hook schrieb: > >Believe it or not Thomas, some people actually prefer to work differently than others. Arps give a range of _dynamic_ composition and playback that using a "real" sequencer doesn't provide, especially for live work. > >Arps are a very common part of synth technology, especially in the VA world. The Audity (not a VA, but still a 'dance' synth) prides itself on its arp capabilities, as does the JP-8080. > >While I personally don't use an arp (nor do I use a vocoder), it doesn't necessarily mean that others are fools for wanting these things, which I gather, from your tone, you believe. > >Brian > >At 07:08 PM 6/4/00 +1200, Thomas Whitmore wrote: >>You do have a real sequencer, don't you? Music formed by held chords and a few arps, all quantized on flat 16ths, is BORING. >> >>I want *no* arp sequencer. Other features instead. >> >>Jesus, this is *such* a non-topic. >> >> >>Cheers, >>Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-3971-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 4 23:58:27 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: bhook@verant.com Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 15:11:46 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Brian Hook Subject: Re: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? Kloppers' def seems to be for version 3.0 but, alas, I'm a 2.52 Virus 'a' user with no intention of upgrading to a 'b'. So this leaves me in a bit of a limbo using your old 2.01 def (which seems to work for the most part), but it would be nice to find a 2.52 def. Thanks, Brian X-From_: access-list-return-3972-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 00:30:39 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "paolo40" To: Subject: R: PROPOSAL: an Arp Sequencer on the Virus. Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 00:38:33 +0200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal or maybe just the capability to receive little midi sequences (to be preogrammed with any sequencer)and store them as patterns, it would be great. paolo40 >-----Messaggio originale----- >Da: Jon k. [mailto:kjellemy@online.no] >Inviato: sabato 3 giugno 2000 14.03 >A: access-list@teklab.com >Oggetto: SV: PROPOSAL: an Arp Sequencer on the Virus. > > >Maybe they could make a small app for pc and mac(and BeOS:) to make patterns?? Since we will have arp patterns now, the hardware is definitly capable of playing back sequenses. Think he might have talked about the a here. > >jon k. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Cam >To: >Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 4:49 AM >Subject: RE: PROPOSAL: an Arp Sequencer on the Virus. > > >>Access never said the couldn't, they said they wouldn't. Christoph said (ages ago) that because the Virus hardware isn't set up for a sequencer, they would only be able to do it in a half-ass manner, and that >they would >>rather not do it at all than do it in a way that would be less than top-notch. In a market where Access has to compete with >awesome products >>like the Microwave XT, the Q, the Nord Modular, etc. etc. the last thing they need is a reputation for doing things cheesily. >> >>cam >> > > X-From_: access-list-return-3973-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 00:47:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Lukas Svoboda" To: Cc: Subject: RE: weird output Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 11:06:37 +1200 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Server: VPOP3 V1.4.0 - Registered >Hey there > >I have a little problem with my Virus A. (OS 2.52) When I use it in multimode from Cakewalk 9, the output seems a bit "irregular" >I use the preset patch C85 as a kick drum, with no changes. The problem is "only" present when I have other sounds from the Virus triggered at the same time as the kick. Listen to mp3 at http://silicontrip.nu/Sound003.mp3 , where I recorded a small loop, and notice how the kicks sound a little irregular. > >I would appreciate any advice > >Thanks in advance > >/Sune You may need to give your kick highest priority over the other sounds. I had similar issues before and they went away when I turned up priority of important sounds. Do it by using multi-ctrl-Priority. Cheers, Lukas ___________________________________________________________________ Email Home ................................. lukas@lucidworks.co.nz Email Work ............................ lukass@advantagegroup.co.nz Personal Home Page .............. http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/lukas Ouroboros Home Page ......... http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/ouroboros MP3 - Trance ......................... http://www.mp3.com/ouroboros MP3 - D&B/Ambient/Downbeat ....... http://www.mp3.com/lukas-svoboda NZ Dance & Electronic Music ........... http://www.lucidworks.co.nz ___________________________________________________________________ X-From_: access-list-return-3974-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 03:06:51 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Kintama" To: Subject: Re: jiggly power cord input Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 18:22:41 -0700 X-Priority: 3 I had the same exact problem with my Virus A. I used hot glue gun to tack the cord down so it wouldn't pull off the circuit board. Never gave me a hard time but it wasn't pretty. Have Fun, James PS is the power supply for the Kb internal or external like on the Virus A? >Also, the power suply housing (the box part of it in the middle of the cord) came to me all fucked up. It ws loose with a plastic piece rattling around inside, and the rubber part around the wire which is supposed to secure the wire where it comes out of the box was missing, so I had to make this big ugly mess out of duct tape just to feel safe enough to take the synth anywhere. > > X-From_: access-list-return-3975-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 03:16:12 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: jiggly power cord input Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2000 21:38:02 -0400 X-Priority: 3 KB power supply is internal. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kintama" To: Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:22 PM Subject: Re: jiggly power cord input >PS is the power supply for the Kb internal or external like on the Virus A? X-From_: access-list-return-3976-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 04:57:42 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2000 23:10:56 -0400 From: AdamS X-Accept-Language: en To: "access-list@teklab.com" Subject: virus b environment Does anyone have the logic environment for the virus b with OS 3.0 i have been wanting to make a song with it using logic but havent found an environment and dont have the time to try to figure out how to make one.X-From_: access-list-return-3977-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 07:39:56 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Sune Gellert" To: Subject: Re: weird output Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 07:59:32 +0200 X-Priority: 3 Thanks for the advice, didnt seem to help though, so I'll look a bit more into it, and if it doesnt work I guess I'll just use it in the sampler...but..it feels a bit weird /Sune ----- Original Message ----- From: Lukas Svoboda To: Cc: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 1:06 AM Subject: RE: weird output > >>Hey there >> >>I have a little problem with my Virus A. (OS 2.52) When I use it in multimode from Cakewalk 9, the output seems a bit "irregular" >>I use the preset patch C85 as a kick drum, with no changes. The problem is "only" present when I have other sounds from the Virus triggered at the same time as the kick. Listen to mp3 at http://silicontrip.nu/Sound003.mp3 , where I recorded a small loop, and notice how the kicks sound a little irregular. >> >>I would appreciate any advice >> >>Thanks in advance >> >>/Sune > >You may need to give your kick highest priority over the other sounds. I had similar issues before and they went away when I turned up priority of important sounds. Do it by using multi-ctrl-Priority. > >Cheers, >Lukas >___________________________________________________________________ > >Email Home ................................. lukas@lucidworks.co.nz Email Work ............................ lukass@advantagegroup.co.nz Personal Home Page .............. http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/lukas Ouroboros Home Page ......... http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/ouroboros MP3 - Trance ......................... http://www.mp3.com/ouroboros MP3 - D&B/Ambient/Downbeat ....... http://www.mp3.com/lukas-svoboda NZ Dance & Electronic Music ........... http://www.lucidworks.co.nz ___________________________________________________________________ > > > X-From_: access-list-return-3978-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 12:43:56 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:54:45 +0200 From: Groove303@t-online.de (Jens Wegerhoff) X-Accept-Language: de,en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Cakewalk instrument def for 2.52? X-Sender: 02267880859-0001@t-dialin.net you can use the 3.0 def.the parameters are identical to the "a" except the additions the 3.0 has. jens Brian Hook schrieb: > >Kloppers' def seems to be for version 3.0 but, alas, I'm a 2.52 Virus 'a' user with no intention of upgrading to a 'b'. So this leaves me in a bit of a limbo using your old 2.01 def (which seems to work for the most part), but it would be nice to find a 2.52 def. > >Thanks, > >BrianX-From_: access-list-return-3980-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 16:50:06 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Sune Gellert" To: Subject: sending patches from cakewalk ? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 17:09:30 +0200 X-Priority: 3 Hi again How do I send patches to my Virus from Cakewalk ? I've tried the sysx transfer, and just played back the midi file.. seems nothing changes ? Is there anything I should do on the Virus itself before/after sending ? Yeah..newbie question, but thats how it is ;) /Sune X-From_: access-list-return-3981-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 17:45:52 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 19:02:51 +0300 Subject: New Virus songs added From: Timo Neronen To: New song added: Deep Down In My Bones Highly infected by Virus b. Nerotic http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/121/nerotic.htmlX-From_: access-list-return-3982-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 19:49:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [204.128.192.52] From: "Robert Tygers" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:08:49 GMT Hate to say it again, counter wishing does show how small the world you live in is and how uncreative as a musician you are. Not to mention how destructive it is to the list compared to less-than-perfectly realistic wishing which at least is neutral. If I wanted to be nearly as offensive I might say that begging Access to make the Virus do things it was never designed to do and will never do well shows that you want other people to solve your problems for free. If you were really creative and open-minded you'd do what I did and program your own arpeggiator/sequencer instead. Telling people they're small-minded and uncreative when you don't know a thing about them strikes me as, well, small-minded and destructive. Objective criticism of ideas, on the other hand, is part and parcel of any serious creative work. Maybe we should ask for sampling in OS 4.0. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-3983-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 19:48:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 09:22:19 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: Robert Tygers on small minded To: access-list@teklab.com Here we go again :) You wrote: >Telling people they're small-minded and uncreative when you don't know a >thing about them strikes me as, well, small-minded and >destructive. Well, prove that you are not small minded and uncreative then? Tell me all the creative uses you can think of of a arp sequencer. >Objective criticism of ideas, on the other hand, is part and parcel of any serious creative work. Wrong. Brainstorming is actually the better way. Objective criticism works well only in educating/grading process. >Maybe we should ask for sampling in OS 4.0. Go ahead I am not stopping you. :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-3984-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 20:44:09 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Bill Slobotski" To: Subject: RE: sending patches from cakewalk ? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 13:52:18 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Sune, Check under the Virus Control menu for "MIDI Dump RX" and make sure it isn't set to Disable. InÊCakewalk, do a "View - Sysex" and send the 267 bytes from there.Ê Bill Hi again How do I send patches to my Virus from Cakewalk ? I've tried the sysx transfer, and just played back the midi file.. seems nothing changes ? Is there anything I should do on the Virus itself before/after sending ? Yeah..newbie question, but thats how it is ;) /Sune X-From_: access-list-return-3986-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 20:54:56 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: jay@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 12:02:03 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Jay Vaughan Subject: READ THIS PLEASE !!! re: Robert Tygers on small minded These posts violate the "No Personal Flaming on the List" rule. You've been warned before. If you want to flame someone, criticize their character, or give them the 'benefit' of your own personal assessment of their character, DO IT PRIVATELY! IT HAS NO BUSINESS BEING ON MY MAILING LIST, AND I WILL NOT TOLERATE IT FURTHER. If you can't follow this rule, unsubscribe now. j. At 09:22 AM 06/05/2000 -0700, you wrote: Here we go again :) You wrote: >Telling people they're small-minded and uncreative when you don't know a >thing about them strikes me as, well, small-minded and >destructive. Well, prove that you are not small minded and uncreative then? Tell me all the creative uses you can think of of a arp sequencer. >Objective criticism of ideas, on the other hand, is part and parcel of any serious creative work. Wrong. Brainstorming is actually the better way. Objective criticism works well only in educating/grading process. >Maybe we should ask for sampling in OS 4.0. Go ahead I am not stopping you. :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.com j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html X-From_: access-list-return-3985-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 20:50:31 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 12:02:29 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: sending patches from cakewalk ? Organization: Yahoo! I've also noticed that with some .MID files, Midi Dump RX needs to be set to 'Force to Edit Buffer' in order to audition sounds... -=zs On 00-06-05 13:52, Bill Slobotski wrote: >Sune, > >Check under the Virus Control menu for "MIDI Dump RX" and make sure it isn't set to Disable. > >In Cakewalk, do a "View - Sysex" and send the 267 bytes from there. > >Bill > >Hi again > >How do I send patches to my Virus from Cakewalk ? I've tried the sysx transfer, and just played back the midi file.. seems nothing changes ? >Is there anything I should do on the Virus itself before/after sending ? > >Yeah..newbie question, but thats how it is ;) > >/SuneX-From_: access-list-return-3987-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 21:02:25 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Sune Gellert" To: Subject: Re: sending patches from cakewalk ? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:21:07 +0200 X-Priority: 3 thanks a lot ..it works ! /Sune ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Slobotski To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:52 PM Subject: RE: sending patches from cakewalk ? Sune, Check under the Virus Control menu for "MIDI Dump RX" and make sure it isn't set to Disable. InÊCakewalk, do a "View - Sysex" and send the 267 bytes from there.Ê Bill Hi again How do I send patches to my Virus from Cakewalk ? I've tried the sysx transfer, and just played back the midi file.. seems nothing changes ? Is there anything I should do on the Virus itself before/after sending ? Yeah..newbie question, but thats how it is ;) /Sune X-From_: access-list-return-3988-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 22:41:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:57:24 -0600 From: Russ Magee Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus To: access-list@teklab.com X-Accept-Language: en OK. I paid for my Virus. I like it a lot. I also am willing to pay for upgrades. So I'm not begging for someone else to solve my problems for free. I perceived this feature as being useful *to me* and perhaps *to others*. If you feel it has absolutely no use to you, fine; but that's you. Not everyone makes music the same way. By similar arguments, maybe Access shouldn't have put a vocoder in, or effects, or any arpeggiator at all, since one can buy separate boxes for those too. It's a rather arbitrary line to draw. I certainly hope no one flames Christoph when OS 4.0 is out because one of the new features is "useless" to one of us. I guess, if I was "really creative and open minded", I wouldn't have bought a Virus at all -- I'd have built my own modular synth from scratch, right? To all else on the list -- this is the last word on this topic EVER for me. Enough negativity. -Russ Robert Tygers wrote: >If I wanted to be nearly as offensive I might say that begging Access to make the Virus do things it was never designed to do and will never do well shows that you want other people to solve your problems for free. If you were really creative and open-minded you'd do what I did and program your own arpeggiator/sequencer instead. > >Telling people they're small-minded and uncreative when you don't know a thing about them strikes me as, well, small-minded and destructive. Objective criticism of ideas, on the other hand, is part and parcel of any serious creative work. > >Maybe we should ask for sampling in OS 4.0. > >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.comX-From_: access-list-return-3989-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 23:17:18 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:37:20 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: softroom@btinternet.com On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:57:24 -0600, Russ Magee wrote: >To all else on the list -- this is the last word on this topic EVER for me. Enough negativity. I don't think people are negative but it's human nature to "bid" for our own priority uses for the precious OS space which remains. I'd bid for a "less precise" sawtooth, more mod matrix entries, ability to replace Osc3 with Ext In to name but three. I have more, of course, including weird logical operations for within the Mod matrix (think Waldorf here).....;-) Ultimately, any fixed architecture synth is a series of choices. I'm pretty happy with those made so far so we'll see what transpires. Access have had plenty of chance to hear us plus they have their own ideas and probably hear stuff from non-net users too. Maybe you could look at the Nord Modular where you can use the resources available in each synth patch as you wish? PaulX-From_: access-list-return-3990-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 5 23:54:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 23:15:02 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: paul@softroom.co.uk On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 14:57:24 -0600, Russ Magee wrote: >To all else on the list -- this is the last word on this topic EVER for me. Enough negativity. I don't think people are negative but it's human nature to "bid" for our own priority uses for the precious OS space which remains. I'd bid for a "less precise" sawtooth, more mod matrix entries, ability to replace Osc3 with Ext In to name but three. I have more, of course, including weird logical operations for within the Mod matrix (think Waldorf here).....;-) Ultimately, any fixed architecture synth is a series of choices. I'm pretty happy with those made so far so we'll see what transpires. Access have had plenty of chance to hear us plus they have their own ideas and probably hear stuff from non-net users too. Maybe you could look at the Nord Modular where you can use the resources available in each synth patch as you wish? PaulX-From_: access-list-return-3991-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 00:01:57 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:22:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 I completely agree w/ you on your "less precise" sawtooth comment, Paul. I love the filters, the effects, the flexibility (not to mention the great support) on the Virus - but if there was one thing I'd like to see modified it would be the saw oscillator... Sounds kinda' buzzy in a little too perfect way for me.... Sounds awesome w/ filtering applied but when the filters open up I wish for a little more edge (but the saturation/distortion is great for that, too). I'd love to have a step sequencer, user programmable arp, etc. too - but you can always get those from other sources where the raw oscillator is more take what you've got. I know you could route another synths oscillator though the external inputs but the Osc. is fundamental (I think the keys to the character of a synth are the Oscillators, the Filters, and how fast the envelopes respond) Just babbling. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nagle" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 5:37 PM Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus I'd bid for a "less precise" sawtooth, more mod matrix entries, ability to replace Osc3 with Ext In to name but three. I have more, of course, including weird logical operations for within the Mod matrix (think Waldorf here).....;-) Ultimately, any fixed architecture synth is a series of choices. I'm pretty happy with those made so far so we'll see what transpires. Access have had plenty of chance to hear us plus they have their own ideas and probably hear stuff from non-net users too. Maybe you could look at the Nord Modular where you can use the resources available in each synth patch as you wish? Paul X-From_: access-list-return-3994-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 01:31:55 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "e.a. duurvoort" To: Subject: Re: Nord Modular Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:46:15 +0200 X-Priority: 3 I happen to have a Nord Modular. I use it a lot, but at times it can be a complex and time consuming machine. You could lock yourself up with it till the end of time and probably still just have scratched the surface of all its possibilities. I find the Virus a fast and easy to use machine in the short time I have it. I love the warm Virus sound, but I agree with Paul that the Sawtooth could sound a little more raw (good for those fat Moogish lead sounds). As a second setting of course ;-) Eugene ----- Original Message ----- From: Russ Magee To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:48 AM Subject: Re: Nord Modular > > >Paul Nagle wrote: >.. >.. >>...replace Osc3 with Ext In to name but three. I have more, of course, including weird logical operations for within the Mod matrix (think Waldorf here).....;-) >> >>Ultimately, any fixed architecture synth is a series of choices. I'm pretty happy with those made so far so we'll see what transpires. Access have had plenty of chance to hear us plus they have their own ideas and probably hear stuff from non-net users too. > >I agree -- I'm eagerly awaiting OS 4, even though I still have so much to explore with even the current features! 8-). > >> >>Maybe you could look at the Nord Modular where you can use the resources available in each synth patch as you wish? > >I downloaded a modular synth simulation for the PC (I think it's called 'SynthEdit'). Modular synthesis looks extremely fascinating. I've only dabbled with it superficially to date, but it's already promising to give neat insights into how analog patches are really constructed. I'll certainly have to look into the Nord Modular some more.. > >-Russ > X-From_: access-list-return-3992-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 00:29:54 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 16:48:36 -0600 From: Russ Magee Subject: Re: Nord Modular To: access-list@teklab.com X-Accept-Language: en Paul Nagle wrote: .. .. >...replace Osc3 with Ext In to name but three. I have more, of course, including weird logical operations for within the Mod matrix (think Waldorf here).....;-) > >Ultimately, any fixed architecture synth is a series of choices. I'm pretty happy with those made so far so we'll see what transpires. Access have had plenty of chance to hear us plus they have their own ideas and probably hear stuff from non-net users too. I agree -- I'm eagerly awaiting OS 4, even though I still have so much to explore with even the current features! 8-). > >Maybe you could look at the Nord Modular where you can use the resources available in each synth patch as you wish? I downloaded a modular synth simulation for the PC (I think it's called 'SynthEdit'). Modular synthesis looks extremely fascinating. I've only dabbled with it superficially to date, but it's already promising to give neat insights into how analog patches are really constructed. I'll certainly have to look into the Nord Modular some more.. -RussX-From_: access-list-return-3993-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 00:48:40 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 19:03:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Don't dare touch that saw... I love it as it is! OK, maybe add a second one. >-----Original Message----- >From: JEP [mailto:jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:22 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus > > >I completely agree w/ you on your "less precise" sawtooth comment, Paul. >>I'd bid for a "less precise" sawtooth X-From_: access-list-return-3995-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 01:41:06 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 16:55:31 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com, matman@mysticworks.com Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-05 19:03, Matt Picone wrote: >Don't dare touch that saw... I love it as it is! > >OK, maybe add a second one. an adjustable "Saw Harmonics" value would make everyone happy here... zsX-From_: access-list-return-3996-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 01:58:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 20:20:29 -0400 X-Priority: 3 ...and of course is also a destination in the mod matrix. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Steinkamp" To: ; Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:55 PM Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus >On 00-06-05 19:03, Matt Picone wrote: >>Don't dare touch that saw... I love it as it is! >> >>OK, maybe add a second one. > >an adjustable "Saw Harmonics" value would make everyone happy here... > >zs > X-From_: access-list-return-3175-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat May 6 02:22:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 20:47:49 -0400 From: bigw To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Im probably stupid, but... 4.0 software will have drum maps and be compatible with both instruments Weld Glotox@aol.com wrote: >The Indigo seams to have drum maps, something the Virus B/kb doesn't. > >Merk > >PS: maybe I ate a mushroom but I'm not certain about the drum maps...X-From_: access-list-return-3997-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 02:40:50 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 12:53:56 +1200 X-Priority: 3 >an adjustable "Saw Harmonics" value would make everyone happy here... Mmmm, good idea. Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-3998-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 02:59:53 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:14:38 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: Virus music index To: access-list@teklab.com Hi all, I am collecting links for music made with the Virus so that I will make an index page for it for public reference. Please email me privately if you would like to share the URL to your music. Thank you in advance. norsez http://www.mp3.com/norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-3999-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 03:06:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: Brainstorming Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 13:19:48 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Hi guys, Norsez' point about brainstorming is an interesting one. The creative process (actually a cycle) has two phases : 1) Brainstorming 2) Objective criticism Brainstorming without criticism leads to overblown complexity. Criticism without brainstorming lacks the creative ideas. Musically, I'll move back and forth between these two. Probably brain storming is more fun, since I often find myself with lots of takes/ variations/ ideas and not particularly looking forward to organizing them. But organization never takes that long to do. Regarding this list: Who says that only brainstorming should be used to discuss features? What's so different about the Virus, from every other creative endeavour, that no objectivity is needed? Should our synth become the equivalent of flatulent late-70s prog rock with pyro flares attached to guitars and 15-minute hand solos? Punk rock came along to kick that dead carcass. Here's a mohawk in your eye. Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4000-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 03:13:34 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: Brainstorming Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 21:28:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal uh huh huh uhuhhuh huhuh >15-minute hand solos X-From_: access-list-return-4001-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 03:26:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 18:41:14 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: brainstorming To: access-list@teklab.com problem : Good analog synth with more features and lower cost Bob : Hey, we could use DSP chips and software to do it. Cheaper to make and add features. Jim : No way, how can math algorithms produces such warm sounds? Nobody is going to buy it. No computer talk please. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4002-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 03:41:37 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [24.6.182.229] From: "- 21 -" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: mod matrix again? Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:56:04 PDT Sorry for the newbie question.. but is the mod matrix just a collective term for all of the sub-interface menus within the virus?! thanks! ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4003-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 04:13:29 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: mod matrix again? Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 22:28:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal No, the term Mod Matrix refers to a set of modulation sources (mod wheel, aftertouch, midi Controller change numbers, EGs, etc...) which can be applied to dynamically adjust a set of destinations (pitch, filter cutoff, effect send, etc...). Many Modulation Sources x Many Modulation Destinations = Modulation Matrix -M@ >-----Original Message----- >From: - 21 - [mailto:fluid1@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 9:56 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: mod matrix again? > > >Sorry for the newbie question.. but is the mod matrix just a collective >term for all of the sub-interface menus within the virus?! > >thanks! >_______________________________________________________________ _________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > X-From_: access-list-return-4004-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 04:57:32 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Korova - Virus Patch Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2000 23:19:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 I was playing around this evening and half by accident came up w/ something that reminded me of the Korova Milkbar scene from Clockwork Orange. You can check the patch out at http://www.samplelibrary.net/ if you're interested. Should be posted to the page w/in a couple hours (if the instructions at Samplelibrary are correct). ************************************************************************************************************* Patch Name:ÊKorovaJP Description: ÊSomething out of Clockwork Orange (?) for the VirusB Author:ÊÊJohn Potter - jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com Date:ÊÊ6/05/2000 Performance Notes:Ê ModWheel affects OSC2 Semitone for Sync Sounds ModWheel affects LFO2->FilterCutoff amount for rhythmic accent (square wave) Notes: Feel free to add a little noise to the mix - maybe in response to modwheel or aftertouch? ************************************************************************************************************* Word is born, JP mailto:jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com " I don't think most people think about most things, but I do. I think thinking is a bloody good idea. " - Brian Eno on how unusual it is to have broad artistic and cultural horizons, theories and areas of interest. X-From_: access-list-return-4005-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 05:17:02 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: brainstorming Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 15:30:25 +1200 X-Priority: 3 >Jim : No way, how can math algorithms produces such warm sounds? Nobody is going to buy it. No computer talk please. 1) Objective - not particularly. 2) Criticism - well, you got that bit right. Jim & Bob listen to both kinds of music. Country *and* Western. But can DSP chips emulate a drunken redneck? Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4006-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 06:09:23 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [38.29.109.248] From: "Robert Tygers" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 04:23:44 GMT I was being sarcastic, Russ. That's why I said "if I wanted to be nearly as offensive." We disagree; that doesn't make either of us small-minded. OK. I paid for my Virus. I like it a lot. I also am willing to pay for upgrades. So I'm not begging for someone else to solve my problems for free. I perceived this feature as being useful *to me* and perhaps *to others*. If you feel it has absolutely no use to you, fine; but that's you. Not everyone makes music the same way. By similar arguments, maybe Access shouldn't have put a vocoder in, or effects, or any arpeggiator at all, since one can buy separate boxes for those too. It's a rather arbitrary line to draw. I certainly hope no one flames Christoph when OS 4.0 is out because one of the new features is "useless" to one of us. I guess, if I was "really creative and open minded", I wouldn't have bought a Virus at all -- I'd have built my own modular synth from scratch, right? To all else on the list -- this is the last word on this topic EVER for me. Enough negativity. -Russ Robert Tygers wrote: >If I wanted to be nearly as offensive I might say that begging Access to make the Virus do things it was never designed to do and will never do well shows that you want other people to solve your problems for free. If you were really creative and open-minded you'd do what I did and program your own arpeggiator/sequencer instead. > >Telling people they're small-minded and uncreative when you don't know a thing about them strikes me as, well, small-minded and destructive. Objective criticism of ideas, on the other hand, is part and parcel of any serious creative work. > >Maybe we should ask for sampling in OS 4.0. > >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4007-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 06:33:07 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 00:47:28 EDT Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb To: access-list@teklab.com I know I said I wasn't going to bring this up again but I was bumped on last weeks orders of Virus Kb from GSFA, It seems Sweetwater didn't get their (my) order. So I come back here to ask for Christoph's and the list's forgiveness, I acted like an asshole I will admit this and I am sorry for saying the things I said about the company and the products. There were some mitigating circumstances about 2 weeks ago I was having problems with some antidepressant I was taking so I was somewhat manic then. I also realize it wasn't Access fault regarding the packaging, I should blame Fed Ex. The only thing I can say is that I was going through hell and it was like drowning while being anesthetized. I also know that this apology credibility seems doubtful but I am prepared to pay for my trespass with a special fee to Access so that I might be able to obtain the Vkb? Maybe we can agree on this extra fee privately. Oh and Jay, you can unsub Glotox he had an accident and ceased to exist 48 hr. ago. On another note I like Paul Nagle's music, he kicks ass! If he came out with a 15 minute hand job carcass I would buy it!!! Long Live ProgRock and Fusion! Marc-os PS: I tried a Virus b module at a friends house and It sounded very good and quite different from the Nord Lead, I liked the vocal formant patch and thought that the arpeggiator was excellent and if someday it could have a small programmable space it would be more of an asset to the great sounds. I have a EX5 and an Audity V2 but these don't sound the same as the European arpeggiators, they have a different groove or something, the same thing goes with the Microwave XT, but again like Paul said there are more subtle things that can be done than a programmable arpeggiator.X-From_: access-list-return-4008-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 06:50:07 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: stephens@mail.kodix.com Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2000 22:05:13 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Ron Stephens Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb At 09:47 PM 6/5/2000, Paralogicus@aol.com wrote: >Oh and Jay, you can unsub Glotox he had an accident and ceased to exist 48 hr. ago. Are you SERIOUS?? -ron San Jose CAX-From_: access-list-return-4009-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 07:07:17 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: bumping Virus Kb Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 01:21:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Welcome back. >-----Original Message----- >From: Paralogicus@aol.com [mailto:Paralogicus@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:47 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb > > >I know I ... was ... an asshole .. and I am sorry Marc-os X-From_: access-list-return-4010-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 07:22:03 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:35:19 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Hi Marc, >ask for Christoph's and the list's forgiveness, I acted like an asshole I will admit this and I am sorry for saying the things I said about the company and the products. Respect to you. >Oh and Jay, you can unsub Glotox he had an accident and ceased to exist 48 hr. ago. I'm sorry. >Long Live ProgRock and Fusion! You're sorry, I'm sorry, we're all sorry... but do we have to punish ourselves? :-) Actually there is good in every genre, I just felt like making a joke/ flagellating myself. >I have a EX5 and an Audity V2 but these don't sound the same as the European arpeggiators, they have a different groove or something, Groove is such a huge part of rhythm & music, and not practical to program on a 2-line LCD. Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4011-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 09:13:38 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Cc: fluid1@hotmail.com Subject: Re: mod matrix again? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 08:23:22 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: softroom@btinternet.com On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:56:04 PDT, "- 21 -" wrote: >Sorry for the newbie question.. but is the mod matrix just a collective term for all of the sub-interface menus within the virus?! It is a "three in six out" means of freely routing modulation sources (e.g. LFO, Envelopes, Mod Wheel etc.) to modulation destinations (e.g. Filter cutoff, LFO speed, noise volume etc.). This is in addition the existing fixed mod routings (LFO, velocity). The Virus really scores over many synths in that its effects parameters are included as mod matrix outputs. Makes for some VERY wacky possibilities... .;-) My own three mod sources are usually aftertouch, mod wheel and one of the three controllers my Korg Kaoss pad sends. If more matrix "slots" were available it would allow more complex changes within a patch (like the Nord Lead's Morphing function), more expression etc. Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle / SoftRoom / HeadShock / FFS softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk headshock@redhotant.com http://www.headshock.co.ukX-From_: access-list-return-3186-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat May 6 12:07:32 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 06:33:04 -0400 From: bigw To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: OT: Decent Bass lets take this this over to the music-bar guys very OT Thx Weld luxx wrote: >i dont mean to start a war here or anything. but the hr824's are the WORD in affordable audio monitors. >read the manual...and then listenX-From_: access-list-return-4012-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 13:43:35 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 04:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: Re: Please Read This : an Arp Sequencer on the Virus. To: access-list@teklab.com Alright, Jay, I am sorry. I didn't intend to flame anyone. I only said that people who thought other people were foolish because they couldn't see the use of another thing were small minded and uncreative. And that was just in general. That was an opinion. As much as saying people who hit and run are not good. I wasn't pin point to anybody unless someone would it was him I was talking about and replied back showing even more less creativity and the traditional provoking nonsense reverse psychology that makes no argument. At any rate, I will try to remember to go personal as you said. I am sorry. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4013-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 13:46:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:08:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Yep, the KBs are extremely difficult to come by which is why I ended up paying a little more for mine when I actually found someone that had one in stock. If you can get your money back from Sweetwater check w/ Charlie at Brownell Sound in Portland ((503) 231-7866). John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:47 AM Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb >I know I said I wasn't going to bring this up again but I was bumped on last >weeks orders of Virus Kb from GSFA, It seems Sweetwater didn't get their (my) >order. X-From_: access-list-return-4016-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 14:40:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: mod matrix again? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:55:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Paul - Could you briefly explain the Nord's Morphing function for comparison's sake? I've fiddled around w/ the Nords but haven't really gotten in depth into them. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Nagle" To: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 3:23 AM Subject: Re: mod matrix again? >On Mon, 05 Jun 2000 18:56:04 PDT, "- 21 -" wrote: > >>Sorry for the newbie question.. but is the mod matrix just a collective term for all of the sub-interface menus within the virus?! > >It is a "three in six out" means of freely routing modulation sources (e.g. LFO, Envelopes, Mod Wheel etc.) to modulation destinations (e.g. Filter cutoff, LFO speed, noise volume etc.). This is in addition the existing fixed mod routings (LFO, velocity). The Virus really scores over many synths in that its effects parameters are included as mod matrix outputs. Makes for some VERY wacky possibilities... .;-) > >My own three mod sources are usually aftertouch, mod wheel and one of the three controllers my Korg Kaoss pad sends. If more matrix "slots" were available it would allow more complex changes within a patch (like the Nord Lead's Morphing function), more expression etc. > >Paul >----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle / SoftRoom / HeadShock / FFS >softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk headshock@redhotant.com http://www.headshock.co.uk > X-From_: access-list-return-4017-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 15:07:08 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: mod matrix again? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:05:39 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: softroom@btinternet.com On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:55:32 -0400, "JEP" wrote: >Paul - Could you briefly explain the Nord's Morphing function for comparison's sake? I've fiddled around w/ the Nords but haven't really gotten in depth into them. Sure, if it isn't deemed "off-topic"? Actually, it probably is but maybe no worse than whittering about how great Logic is or any of the other stuff that diverts us.... ;-) The Nords incorporate a means to dynamically alter more knobs than you could physically tweak at once. They did it in the original Nord Lead and did it beautifully in the Nord Modular (the Nord Lead 3 looks even better, with its tasty LED displays of the morph ranges/direction). Anyway, you set each parameter you wish to morph, its range and direction of movement. Then when you've set all the things you want to change, you can control them all via mod wheel, velocity etc. (or any controller in 4 seperate morph groups if using a Nord Modular). So a single point of control could alter pulse width, filter resonance, envelope decay time, LFO speed etc. This allows for some very expressive, dynamic sounds and is highly desirable. Hope this explains it OK. Checkout some Nord reviews on the Sound On Sound website for more info. It's also worth saying that some other synths have an implementation of morphing too; I just picked the Nord as I've used them quite a bit. I still bought a Virus rather than a Nord Lead though. Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle / SoftRoom / HeadShock / FFS softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk headshock@redhotant.com http://www.headshock.co.ukX-From_: access-list-return-4018-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 15:16:32 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:19:48 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Christoph, I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing (although I will play around w/ the LP in Saturation when I get in front of the Virus). I think a good example would be the OSC section of the Roland JP8000. For each OSC type you've got 2 parameters there to adjust the basic sound of the OSC. I don't have one in front of me but for example there is a Feedback OSC w/ 2 params - Harmonics & Amt. I'm sure one of the params of the Pulse is Width starting point (which of course we've got on the Virus too). I personally like the sound of the OSC on the Nord vs. the JP8000 but I'm pointing out the control you have over the raw waveform on the Roland unit. I've kind of wondered about the filters in the Saturation menu - all the other options cause some kind of overdrive/distortion but you don't get any real distortion using the filter settings in there. Guess it was just a good place to drop a couple addt'l sound sculpting tools but then you lose filter saturation (which is fine I guess since you've got the option of using the distortion effect as well. Enough w/ the comments - now a question. Does setting the Filter Mode to Ser4, Filter Balance all the way to the left, and switching Saturation to the 1 pole LP give you the 3pole 18db filter we were discussing the other day? It'd be cool if you could tie the cutoff of the saturation LP to the Cutoff of Filter 1 like you can w/ Filter1 to Filter2 - Maybe by tying (inversely) Saturation Amt to Filter 1 cutoff - I'll have to play around when I get a chance. Thanks for a great synth Cristoph. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:46 AM Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus >In einer eMail vom 06.06.00 01:56:02 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerzeit schreibt >zs@yahoo-inc.com: > >> >>an adjustable "Saw Harmonics" value would make everyone happy here... >> > >Brilliant name for a simple 1-Pole lopass filter :-) Try the 'LowPass' in the Saturation section of the Virus b. It'll make it as >well > >-Christoph > X-From_: access-list-return-4019-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 15:26:51 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Bill Slobotski" To: Subject: RE: mod matrix again? Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:28:16 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Paul, Clipped from your message about Nord morphing: >Anyway, you set each parameter you wish to morph, its range and direction of movement. Then when you've set all the things you want to change, you can control them all via mod wheel, velocity etc. (or any controller in 4 seperate morph groups if using a Nord Modular). So a single point of control could alter pulse width, filter resonance, envelope decay time, LFO speed etc. This allows for some very expressive, dynamic sounds and is highly desirable. My question is how does this differ from setting the mod wheel as source 1, 2, and 3 and having it modify 6 destinations? Bill X-From_: access-list-return-4020-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 15:56:17 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: mod matrix again? Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 14:56:19 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: softroom@btinternet.com On Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:28:16 -0500, "Bill Slobotski" wrote: >My question is how does this differ from setting the mod wheel as source 1, 2, and 3 and having it modify 6 destinations? Sorry, I should've realised this is what you meant. ;-) In essence it's purely a different way to handle the same process - morphs are quicker to set up and handle more parameters at once. They're also harder to edit afterwards (on the Nord Lead anyway). With the Virus (at the moment), you could only control a maximum of 6 parameters via the mod wheel and this means using up all the free destinations. However, the Virus scores well because its mod matrix makes things more visible - you can see what modulation you are setting - and don't forget that you can modulate things even the Waldorf Microwave with its 16 slot matrix can't - .e.g. effects parameters. Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle / SoftRoom / HeadShock / FFS softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk headshock@redhotant.com http://www.headshock.co.ukX-From_: access-list-return-4021-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 16:18:35 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 07:29:02 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: brainstorming To: access-list@teklab.com Thomas, You obviously do not know what brainstorming is. 1) There is not even idea polishment in a brainstorming environment, let alone criticism. 2) If you did, you would recognize my "no counter wish thread" as brainstorming at once. 3) Saying brainstorming leads to complexity clearly show you don't know how brainstorming works. If you aren't sure what brainstorming is, you should look in the dictionary sometimes. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4022-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 16:41:55 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: "Rick Reyes" From: "Rick Reyes" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 09:56:04 -0500 X-Priority: 3 I sure would not mind the addition of a more interesting osc like the feedback osc on my JP8K. Maybe something with interesting timbral change dialed in via the pulsewidth knob or something. Or maybe a morphing osc that can morph between two (user defined in the edit menu) of the spectral waveshapes. Just brainstorming... BTW: I too love the saw the way it is... Rick >Don't dare touch that saw... I love it as it is! > >OK, maybe add a second one. > >> >>I completely agree w/ you on your "less precise" sawtooth comment, Paul. > >>>I'd bid for a "less precise" sawtooth X-From_: access-list-return-4023-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 17:29:50 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Kintama" To: Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 08:45:21 -0700 X-Priority: 3 There is one other place... right here... a guy on the list Andrew Wicklund that works for Guitar Center that can get them pretty quickly, I have an order in with him right now. I'm sure he's just laying quiet as not to "spam" the list with advertising, but I'll say it for him. :-) I haven't got my order yet (only been a week and he quoted me 2.5 weeks) but he seems very professional, returns my calls, and goes out of his way to make me feel comfortable... I had an order I waited on for 3 weeks placed at another place that told me it would be 30 days to get it, then it turned into 45 - 60 a week into the wait. So I was less than pleased. If the original sales guy was honest I'd not be so tempted to switch. Andrew gets them in quicker than the other place I was going to... while I price shopped early on he was telling me was about to order more to come in, I thought "yeah right". But 3 weeks later when I asked about how quick he gets them in (again I asked) and I was considering cancelling my order cause I was a bit tweaked at my sales guy for charging my credit card and not telling me he would (I expected it to be charged when it shipped, and then he claimed "professionals are used to that"... why not say "your just a nobody that needs to work our way") anyway, in that 2.5 weeks time Andrew ordered a shipment in and it sold and he's got another on the way. So I cancelled with Grandma's Music and switched to Andy at Guitar Center. GC's price was the best i could find as a matter of fact, I know some people don't like GC, but so far this has been a good for me... seems more a sales rep issue than a store/chain issue if I like a place or not. I originally didn't use them because I placed one order a yr ago with Grandmas and it took 3 weeks but he told me it would take 3 weeks so at that time he was honest, and he did help... this time around the guy was less than caring shall we say. The good thing about Andy is that he OWNS the Virus and is a participant on the list. He loves it and likes to sell them. He's got a vested interest int he product. Have Fun, James -----Original Message----- From: JEP To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 5:01 AM Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb >Yep, the KBs are extremely difficult to come by which is why I ended up paying a little more for mine when I actually found someone that had one in stock. If you can get your money back from Sweetwater check w/ Charlie at Brownell Sound in Portland ((503) 231-7866). > >John > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 12:47 AM >Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb > > >>I know I said I wasn't going to bring this up again but I was bumped on >last >>weeks orders of Virus Kb from GSFA, It seems Sweetwater didn't get their >(my) >>order. > > > X-From_: access-list-return-4024-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 19:19:15 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: canine@pop.muenster.de Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 19:27:33 +0200 To: access-list@teklab.com From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb At 10:05 PM -0700 on 05.06.2000 Ron Stephens wrote: At 09:47 PM 6/5/2000, Paralogicus@aol.com wrote: >Oh and Jay, you can unsub Glotox he had an accident and ceased to exist 48 hr. ago. Are you SERIOUS?? -ron San Jose CA I was just going to say, is this really the truth?? I think that'd be terrible. Can you tell us what happened? -- think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: access-list-return-4025-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 19:38:26 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [204.128.192.52] From: "Robert Tygers" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 17:52:40 GMT I'm not sure we're talking about the same thing (although I will play around w/ the LP in Saturation when I get in front of the Virus). I got the impression Zack was suggesting some kind of harmonic "spread" similar to the supersaw wave on the JP-8000. This isn't quite the same as the "Uglify" parameter Paul and I have been talking about, which would add overshoots, grunge, and "analog" random variation to the waveform, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have. Enough w/ the comments - now a question. Does setting the Filter Mode to Ser4, Filter Balance all the way to the left, and switching Saturation to the 1 pole LP give you the 3pole 18db filter we were discussing the other day? I think the way to get what you want is to choose Ser4 and set the filter balance to midway between one of the extremes and the high noon postion, ie filter balance sweeps from two-pole to four-pole and back again, so you get three-pole midway between them. Although when I look at the spectrograph of this sweep the frequency response is not linear: there are some weird dips on either side of the 4-pole center position, as if the filter is slightly steeper off-center. This would be a good one for the FAQ, btw. It'd be cool if you could tie the cutoff of the saturation LP to the Cutoff of Filter 1 like you can w/ Filter1 to Filter2 - Maybe by tying (inversely) Saturation Amt to Filter 1 cutoff - I'll have to play around when I get a chance. You can do this (FiltEnv->SatAmount); it's a little counter-intuitive since increasing the saturation amount *lowers* the filter cutoff (for the LP), but it works. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4026-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 20:49:37 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 21:02:07 +0200 From: Joeri Vankeirsbilck Organization: Belway Productions X-Accept-Language: en To: Access Subject: oscillator precision etc... Hi, This was recently posted on Analogue Heaven. http://homepage1.nifty.com/k-tanaka-homepae/etc/wave.html Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com Belway Productions - http://www.belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDMX-From_: access-list-return-4027-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 23:14:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: dennis_schissler@hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:29:08 -0700 Subject: New subgenius track w/ heavy virus usage: MindControl913 To: access-list@teklab.com Well, it was a bit of a fight with MP3.com but they finally let me post my latest track (they were concerned about copyright issues with the speech samples - no issue though). You'll find it at www.mp3.com/subgenius The track is called 'MindControl913' and all music with the exception of strings (from the Roland JV-1010) and percussion come from the Virus (A model). I include the text from the song description below: -------- On November 18, 1978, 913 people died in a mass suicide at Jonestown in Guyana. Recordings of the leader of the cult, Jim Jones, provide much of the spoken material in this piece. These recordings prove to be a chilling background to the music, which is largely comprised of analog lines and haunting strings. -------- I've been playing with the final mastering a bit and cut out about 5dB of bass to make it more home stereo friendly. Have I cut out its balls too much? I've also had difficulty getting the overall volume level up (track is normalized to an RMS of -12dB). Anyone know of a good resource for mastering tips - it's been a real bitch. All feedback is appreciated. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgeniusX-From_: access-list-return-4028-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 23:25:20 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:39:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron E Havill To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: New subgenius track w/ heavy virus usage: MindControl913 I haven't been able to listen to your track yet ( I'm not equipped to listen to audio off the web) but I too bite my nails over how to handle bass frequencies when mixing/mastering. Obviously, you don't want a mix that thumps beautifully on your heavy duty system but overloads the public's equipment; and (especially if you're particularly fond of heavy bass) you don't want to release a wimpy track. While I recognize that I may be asked to take the topic to the music bar, I hoped that other virus users might be interested and/or have some advice. After all, the virus is no stranger to the low frequencies... My only advice as far as mastering goes is that you might want to spend the necessary dough (if you've got it) and take the track(s) to a professional mastering studio. Sure, we all want that total control of our art from start to finish; however, especially if you're going to release it on a label, you want a quality result, not an amateurish attempt. Once you've put a song out there, there's no going back. Make it worth the money by sitting in on the session and learn from the enginner.X-From_: access-list-return-4029-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 23:26:35 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 17:40:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron E Havill To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: New subgenius track w/ heavy virus usage: MindControl913 One other slightly off-topic thing--- How did you get copyright clearance for using the Jim Jones sample?X-From_: access-list-return-4030-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Tue Jun 6 23:38:56 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: dennis_schissler@hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 14:53:27 -0700 Subject: OT: Re: New subgenius track w/ heavy virus usage Cc: access-list@teklab.com I got them from an NPR broadcast which was also posted online. They stated that the recordings were obtained from the Freedom of Information Act (I'm guessing the US govenment had possession of them???). So technically I didn't get official clearance - I sorta weasled my way through it. For me to do the legwork that NPR did would be more than I'd like to take on. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: New subgenius track w/ heavy virus usage: MindControl9 Author: Non-HP-aeh207 (aeh207@is8.nyu.edu) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 6/6/00 2:40 PM One other slightly off-topic thing--- How did you get copyright clearance for using the Jim Jones sample?X-From_: access-list-return-4031-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:15:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:37:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Yeah - I think you and I are talking about the same thing. I know what you're talking about w/ the supersaw on the JP8K (actually, I think you can pretty much mimic it on the Virus by setting the Unison mode param under the Edit menu to 7 and adjusting the detune and pan spread parameters from there - haven't tried it yet though). My point was that it would be nice to have SOME type of control over the basic waveform... The Oscilliscope pictures Joeri posted look cool - maybe some kind of "deform" parameter in addition to minute control over frequency and whatever other parameters... I don't know - I don't really know alot about the specifics but I would like to be able to f*** w/ the waveform to make it sound a little edgier & less perfect. Thanks for the info on the Filter Balance & the tip on tying the Saturation LP to one of the other filters... I've got to run now but I'm sure I'll have a couple questions regarding that over the next couple of days after I've got a chance to experiment. Thanks alot. John PS - Dennis, the new song is awesome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Tygers" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:52 PM Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus > >I got the impression Zack was suggesting some kind of harmonic "spread" similar to the supersaw wave on the JP-8000. This isn't quite the same as the "Uglify" parameter Paul and I have been talking about, which would add overshoots, grunge, and "analog" random variation to the waveform, but it wouldn't be a bad thing to have. > > >>Enough w/ the comments - now a question. Does setting the Filter Mode to Ser4, Filter Balance all the way to the left, and switching Saturation to the 1 pole LP give you the 3pole 18db filter we were discussing the other day? > >I think the way to get what you want is to choose Ser4 and set the filter balance to midway between one of the extremes and the high noon postion, ie >filter balance sweeps from two-pole to four-pole and back again, so you get >three-pole midway between them. Although when I look at the spectrograph of >this sweep the frequency response is not linear: there are some weird dips on either side of the 4-pole center position, as if the filter is slightly steeper off-center. > >This would be a good one for the FAQ, btw. > >>It'd be cool if you could tie the cutoff of the saturation LP to the Cutoff >>of Filter 1 like you can w/ Filter1 to Filter2 - Maybe by tying (inversely) >>Saturation Amt to Filter 1 cutoff - I'll have to play around when I get a >>chance. > >You can do this (FiltEnv->SatAmount); it's a little counter-intuitive since >increasing the saturation amount *lowers* the filter cutoff (for the LP), but it works. >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > X-From_: access-list-return-4032-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:29:47 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [152.163.213.82] From: "Andrew Wicklund" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2000 19:44:11 CDT Uh oh, I'm famous. hehe. There is one other place... right here... a guy on the list Andrew Wicklund I'll even sign autographs. Yup, Andrew Wicklund. Keyboard Sales Guitar Center 1641 County Rd B2 Roseville MN, 55113 651-634-0100 ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4033-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:32:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: brainstorming Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:45:42 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Norsez, >You obviously do not know what brainstorming is. My previous post refers to brainstorming & objective criticism as both neccessary components of the creative process. I got some positive glimmers from that post of yours... and started to acknowledge your brainstorming point... But cunningly you chose to insult me & extinguish those glimmers before any changes to the status quo could occur. :-) >1) There is not even idea polishment in a brainstorming environment, let alone criticism. This product is not at a 'blue sky' stage of development. We see significant amounts of idea polishing, yet you don't complain about that. Explain yourself. (You can't). >2) If you did, you would recognize my "no counter wish thread" as brainstorming at once. Objective criticism is *absolutely* as neccessary as idea creation. What recognizance have you made of objective criticism as neccessary? What proposals have you made as to when it *should* happen? What proposals have you made to ensure a *complete* creative process? (You haven't). >3) Saying brainstorming leads to complexity clearly show you don't know how brainstorming works. What understanding & explanation of brainstorming have you posted? One point only, your other two points are complaints directed at me. Explain yourself, or explain brainstorming in the wider context. (Maybe you can stop wasting everyone's time). >If you aren't sure what brainstorming is, you should look in the dictionary sometimes. You can do better than that. (Can you?) Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4034-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:33:15 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:47:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal I would suspect pretty strongly that a variety of 'variant' saws/squares would be preferable to the Virus' odd assortment of waves by a majority of current and future customers. -M@ >-----Original Message----- >From: JEP [mailto:jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 8:37 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus >> >Yeah - I think you and I are talking about the same thing. I know what you're talking about w/ the supersaw on the JP8K (actually, I think you can >pretty much mimic it on the Virus by setting the Unison mode param under the >Edit menu to 7 and adjusting the detune and pan spread parameters from there - haven't tried it yet though). > >My point was that it would be nice to have SOME type of control over the >basic waveform... The Oscilliscope pictures Joeri posted look cool - maybe >some kind of "deform" parameter in addition to minute control over frequency >and whatever other parameters... X-From_: access-list-return-4035-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:34:12 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 20:47:34 EDT Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb To: access-list@teklab.com In a message dated 6/6/00 5:34:03 PM, canine@muenster.de writes: >I was just going to say, is this really the truth?? I think that'd be terrible. Can you tell us what happened? > I am ok, just the screename is gone. It's an old gypsy habit of restarting when things get nasty. Be well ps: I just got a Kaos Pad for the Virus Kb, the only thing is I don't have the synth! I also exchanged the Headrush for the line6 green delay modeler because of the reverse delay, I got the idea from an mp3 file where someone on this list does a piano motif and gets reverse delay in an almost feedback way, I don't recall who it was. This is a good list to learn, thanks!X-From_: access-list-return-4036-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:35:34 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: , "Rick Reyes" Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:48:22 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Hey Rick, >I sure would not mind the addition of a more interesting osc like the feedback osc on my JP8K. Maybe something with interesting timbral change dialed in via the pulsewidth knob or something. That sounds great. I've always been interested in ideas for different Osc & filter models. To me these would seem the best place to expand the Virus sonics, since they are the most fundamental parts of the sound engine. Feedback, supersaw, 'grungy' saw, ... Comb filter, para EQ, ... Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4037-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:48:53 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2000 18:03:22 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com, matman@mysticworks.com Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-06 20:47, Matt Picone wrote: >I would suspect pretty strongly that a variety of 'variant' saws/squares would be preferable to the Virus' odd assortment of waves by a majority of current and future customers. it would be cool to have both (of course!) I've found lots and lots of uses for the 62 "other" waves... (have you ever used one as the waveform for an LFO? try it...) zsX-From_: access-list-return-4038-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 02:52:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [204.128.192.52] From: "Robert Tygers" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: RE: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 01:06:06 GMT Sorry, Matt, you're getting this twice. I would suspect pretty strongly that a variety of 'variant' saws/squares would be preferable to the Virus' odd assortment of waves by a majority of current and future customers. Oh, I don't know; I really like having the weird spectral waves, they remind me of the Prophet VS and Wavestation. There's only so much you can do with a square or saw, after all, and the spectral waves are good for things like weird FM, or LFO shapes. I like the saw as it is, too; I just think it'd be cool to have even more options to mangle waveforms. That said, there are already a *lot* of things you can do to make the basic waveforms less regular in all kinds of interesting ways. If I get some time I'll give some examples. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4039-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 04:31:05 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: Bass freqs, mind control Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 14:44:11 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Hi people, >I too bite my nails over how to handle bass frequencies when mixing/mastering. Obviously, you don't want a mix that thumps beautifully on your heavy duty system but overloads the public's equipment; To some extent, low bass is perceived from its harmonics rather than the fundamental. There are mastering techniques and plugins which boost the perceived volume of bass, by emphasizing these harmonics, even while the fundamental is reduced. >and (especially if you're particularly fond of heavy bass) you don't want to release a wimpy track. I heard Dave Angel play, and was impressed by how tuff his bass was. Then he turned the volume down and I realized that it had been the subwoofers distorting. I was quite disappointed :-( >After all, the virus is no stranger to the low frequencies... Those low fundamentals have problems getting onto vinyl, problems getting thru the PA, etc etc... but we've all heard thumping bass off club records. [The track itself :] Jeez, that's spooky. Without having listened to it :-) Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4040-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 06:07:13 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 00:28:50 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Robert, you're right - the waves are great for LFOs in envelope mode. I'm sure we'd all love to hear specific examples. Thanks, John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Tygers" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 9:06 PM Subject: RE: Oscillator Precision - Was Arp Sequencer on the Virus >. If I get some time I'll give some examples. X-From_: access-list-return-4041-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 10:46:38 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 02:00:44 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: OSC Shape Mod patches available Organization: Yahoo! hi list I've uploaded a zip archive to samplelibrary.net (works great, Jay!) containing two Virus patches that demonstrate the wonders of OSC Shape modulation. This is a sound that only a Virus can create, as far as I know. (well, to this extent, since most of the 62 waveshapes are used in a single patch ... try that with your Microwave XT) One of the patches is pretty odd, the other you can probably find a place for in a mix. The file is called 'zFlux Set'. Hope it's inspiring. -zsX-From_: access-list-return-4042-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 11:57:45 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: canine@pop.muenster.de Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 12:02:55 +0200 To: access-list@teklab.com From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" Subject: OT Line 6 modulation modeler and other fx units At 8:47 PM -0400 on 06.06.2000 Paralogicus@aol.com wrote: ps: I just got a Kaos Pad for the Virus Kb, the only thing is I don't have the synth! I also exchanged the Headrush for the line6 green delay modeler because of the reverse delay, I got the idea from an mp3 file where someone on this list does a piano motif and gets reverse delay in an almost feedback way, I don't recall who it was. This is a good list to learn, thanks! I tried out the Line 6 Delay modeler in a guitar center and must say that it truely rocks. So easy to use and such violently great sounds. There is another great delay unit coming out: the digital copycat, an analog modeling remake of the famous tape delay. There is an article on it in SOS magazine but no music dealer I have spoken to had heard anything about it. Apparently none of them read SOS (Paul: there is some work for your marketing department...;) I was wondering though if anyone has tried the modulation modeler by line 6 and if that is any good? Also what is the deal about the POD II (not the PRO, that's the rackmount)? Is that any good? Please reply to the list or privately as I do not subscribe to the musicbar... -- think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: access-list-return-4043-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 13:15:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 04:30:20 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: Re: brainstorming To: access-list@teklab.com Thomas, >My previous post refers to brainstorming & objective criticism as both >neccessary components of the creative process. Well, you didn't say that clearly. What you said was >Musically, I'll move back and forth between these two. (objective criticism and brainstorming) Didn't you claimed you know how to brainstorm? >But cunningly you chose to insult me & extinguish those glimmers before any >changes to the status quo could occur. I didn't insult you. I just pointed out to you that maybe you should check if you really knew what brainstorming was. :-) >This product is not at a 'blue sky' stage of development. We see significant >amounts of idea polishing, yet you don't complain about that. What do you and I know about building the Virus? Really. If we know that much we wouldn't be here, but running our own synth companies. Let's face it, no Virus customers is a part of the that last critical process. And let's face it, Christoph is a genius, still he is not godly perfect. Who knows what possibilities he might miss sometimes? Only freely brainstorming would be able to show him what no one thought was missing. Objective criticism doesn't help because it's only based on what we think we know. And you know that we don't know everything. No one can know everything. >Explain yourself. (You can't). So there. >Objective criticism is *absolutely* as neccessary as idea creation. As I said, we are not even the guy who checked Chirstoph's spelling in his company memo. What do we know that much about this synthesizer? I wouldn't say this to anyone who works as one of the Virus engineers. >What recognizance have you made of objective criticism >as neccessary? What >proposals have you made as to when it *should* happen? As I said above, it shouldn't happen on this list. I and you don't know enough about this synthesizer to kill other people wishes. We don't gain anything by killing all the possibilities of bright ideas that the Access guys might be inspired here. Let the guy decide by themselves. (In fact, no matter we had this list or discussion or not. The decision is never ours.) >What proposals have >you made to ensure a *complete* creative process? (You >haven't). Well, you don't write any of the Virus code, do you? Neither do I. >What understanding & explanation of brainstorming have >you posted? As I've told you. It's clear in the dictionary. Look it up. (I do that often. I am not a native English speaker.) >One point >only, your other two points are complaints directed at >me. Explain yourself, Why not? You said I thought like a redneck. You aimed at me. I aimed at you back. >or explain brainstorming in the wider context. (Maybe you can stop wasting >everyone's time). Go look it up already. A ten year old can do that. You can too. >You can do better than that. (Can you?) Can you do better than a ten year old? norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4044-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 17:18:58 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: OT Line 6 modulation modeler and other fx units Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 11:33:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal POD II has the exact same brain as the Rackmount. I like it a lot (the pro). All in all it's the best and most convenient tube emulation I've ever heard (and I play it side by side with a $3500 boutique all-tube combo. It leaves something to be desired in terms of flexibility (hardwired CC# controls) and it can be a bit dull, but guitars, and the virus sound very good through it (try the AIR setting). -M@ >-----Original Message----- >From: K.9 Kai Niggemann [mailto:canine@muenster.de] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 6:03 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: OT Line 6 modulation modeler and other fx units > > >At 8:47 PM -0400 on 06.06.2000 Paralogicus@aol.com wrote: >>ps: I just got a Kaos Pad for the Virus Kb, the only thing is >I don't have >>the synth! >>I also exchanged the Headrush for the line6 green delay >modeler because of >>the reverse delay, I got the idea from an mp3 file where >someone on this list >>does a piano motif and gets reverse delay in an almost >feedback way, I don't >>recall who it was. This is a good list to learn, thanks! > > > >I tried out the Line 6 Delay modeler in a guitar center and must say that it truely rocks. So easy to use and such violently great sounds. > >There is another great delay unit coming out: the digital copycat, an analog modeling remake of the famous tape delay. There is an article on it in SOS magazine but no music dealer I have spoken to had heard anything about it. Apparently none of them read SOS (Paul: there is some work for your marketing department...;) > > >I was wondering though if anyone has tried the modulation modeler by line 6 and if that is any good? Also what is the deal about the POD II (not the PRO, that's the rackmount)? Is that any good? > >Please reply to the list or privately as I do not subscribe to the musicbar... > >-- > > >think different! > >Canine > >--------------------------------------------------------------- --------- >canine@waf80.de good night europe. >but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: access-list-return-4045-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 17:30:56 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: dennis_schissler@hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 08:45:25 -0700 Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb To: access-list@teklab.com I'm not sure, but you might be referring to my track "Within the Fog" where I have a piano line that is followed up by a reversed version. In that case I applied a heavy, slow decaying reverb to the piano. The reversed version (done in SoundForge) played closely to the original version yields a sort of effect that you are describing. -Dennis www.mp3.coms/subgenius ---------------- I also exchanged the Headrush for the line6 green delay modeler because of the reverse delay, I got the idea from an mp3 file where someone on this list does a piano motif and gets reverse delay in an almost feedback way, I don't recall who it was. This is a good list to learn, thanks!X-From_: access-list-return-4046-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 17:58:26 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [24.6.182.229] From: "- 21 -" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 09:12:34 PDT you might be referring to my track "Within the Fog" where I -Dennis www.mp3.coms/subgenius Wow.. nice track man. Tell me.. is the majority of it Virus? If not, what's what? Love the sounds! Eric ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4047-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 18:27:47 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: dennis_schissler@hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 09:41:47 -0700 Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb To: access-list@teklab.com Yup, nearly all Virus! It sure is an amazing animal ain't it? Thanks for the comments! -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb Author: Non-HP-fluid1 (fluid1@hotmail.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 6/7/00 9:12 AM you might be referring to my track "Within the Fog" where I -Dennis www.mp3.coms/subgenius Wow.. nice track man. Tell me.. is the majority of it Virus? If not, what's what? Love the sounds! Eric ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4048-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 22:38:04 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Phlanno@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 16:52:00 EDT Subject: Eh........DUH To: access-list@teklab.com Right, said it for myself before anyone had a chance to. I will admit it straight out, I've been producing sounds for some time but Midi has been a new entry in my life so I aint no Einstein with the protocol. I have the basics down (well almost) but have one question that remains unanswered. Something I'm sure it will take practically any of the list members mere seconds to answer. When a synth is Multitimbral my understanding is it basically translates to being able to play multiple patches (whatever you want to call them, each manufacturer seems to have a different name for expressing the same things) at once. Makes sense, in theory anyways. Here's what I want to do with no luck. You'll laugh, be warned. I simply want to record Track 1 on Channel 1 of my sequencer (Cubase, but irrelevant I guess). I set the track to my 'Midi Out' interface on the PC, set the Virus to receive from that unit, the Global Midi Channel is set to 1....and presto... Sure enough, whatever 'patch' I have dialed in plays (For simplicity sake lets say A1). Nothing too 'rocket scientist' there. Now, I come along to track two, which is set to play out on Midi channel 2. I record a midi sequence into the sequencer. Here's where the confusion starts. Here's my options 1) I play out on the default channel two, the Virus doesn't play anything but whats arriving on Midi channel 1. 2) I change track two to send on Midi 1. The virus now plays both track 1 and track 2 using the patch A1 (simply because it's recieving all data on the global channel setting I guess). 3) I change the Global midi channel on the virus to be 2. The virus now plays track 2 but naturaly ignores track 1. I have scoured the manual but I think the good folks at Access just assumed you weren't a Midi degenerate like myself. So in short, How do I set it up so that the Virus will play what it receives on Midi Channel 1 on a certain patch (again, lets just say for arguement sake A1) and also play what it receives on Midi chanel 2 on a separate patch (lets say A2)...etc. I would be eternally gratefull Sorry if the note babbles on, I tried to break down the issue as much as I could PX-From_: access-list-return-4049-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Wed Jun 7 22:52:51 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Eh........DUH Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 17:13:47 -0400 X-Priority: 3 The Key: "Multi" mode. You need to set up a "Multi" program that responds to 2 channels (furthering your example). In short, hit the "Multi" button under the LED. Select the "Edit" button - Use the "Part" buttons to scroll through the different parts (you can have up to 16). When you get to part 1 use the "parameter" buttons to find the "Select Bank" & "Select Number" menus - Assign some bank & some patch. Use the parameter buttons to scroll to the "Midi Channel" menu - set what channel you want this part to "listen" on. Repeat for the other parts (2-16). I don't have the manual in front of me but just search for the section dealing w/ "Multis" - there's probably a section w/in the first 30 pages of the manual + another section dealing w/ each specific parameter. John ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 4:52 PM Subject: Eh........DUH >Right, said it for myself before anyone had a chance to. I will admit it straight out, I've been producing sounds for some time but Midi has been a new entry in my life so I aint no Einstein with the protocol. >I have the basics down (well almost) but have one question that remains unanswered. Something I'm sure it will take practically any of the list members mere seconds to answer. > >When a synth is Multitimbral my understanding is it basically translates to being able to play multiple patches (whatever you want to call them, each manufacturer seems to have a different name for expressing the same things) at once. >Makes sense, in theory anyways. > >Here's what I want to do with no luck. You'll laugh, be warned. > >I simply want to record Track 1 on Channel 1 of my sequencer (Cubase, but irrelevant I guess). I set the track to my 'Midi Out' interface on the PC, set the Virus to receive from that unit, the Global Midi Channel is set to 1....and presto... Sure enough, whatever 'patch' I have dialed in plays (For simplicity sake lets say A1). Nothing too 'rocket scientist' there. > >Now, I come along to track two, which is set to play out on Midi channel 2. I record a midi sequence into the sequencer. Here's where the confusion starts. Here's my options > >1) I play out on the default channel two, the Virus doesn't play anything but whats arriving on Midi channel 1. > >2) I change track two to send on Midi 1. The virus now plays both track 1 and track 2 using the patch A1 (simply because it's recieving all data on the global channel setting I guess). > >3) I change the Global midi channel on the virus to be 2. The virus now plays track 2 but naturaly ignores track 1. > >I have scoured the manual but I think the good folks at Access just assumed you weren't a Midi degenerate like myself. > >So in short, >How do I set it up so that the Virus will play what it receives on Midi Channel 1 on a certain patch (again, lets just say for arguement sake A1) and also play what it receives on Midi chanel 2 on a separate patch (lets say A2)...etc. > >I would be eternally gratefull > >Sorry if the note babbles on, I tried to break down the issue as much as I could > >P > X-From_: access-list-return-4050-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 01:51:42 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Jean-Pierre Lafleur" To: Subject: Re: Eh........DUH This is a long one guys! Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 20:08:28 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Just thought I'd write an essay on the matter. Skip this transmission if you are well aware of Multi-mode matters. HereÊI go..... Like most "multitimbral" synths there are two modes:ÊSINGLE (or patch or program etc..) and MULTI (or perfomance or comination etc...). To do multi-tracks you must be in the equivalent multi mode but be warned, it's not that simple! Multimodes are generally shipped out by manufacturers to be used as a layering tool where a whole bunch of tracks/parts are assigned the same MIDI channel (usually Channel 1) so that a keyboard transmitting on Chan. 1 will invoke all these wonderfully layered sounds at once--great for live performances. Some sounds on a particular "track", which is technically called a PART, may even be programmed to only respond to velocity (how fast you play), a key range (let say from only middle C to all above), aftertouch and so on, so that you can dynamically change the sounds used through your "performance" (hence the term used by some manufacturers--at least that's my theory). That's great for "live,Êin concert" or to quickly lay down thick and rich tracks but the shortfall is that it's the same melody spread over different instruments. So to do true multi-tracking you'll have to insure the following: 1) Each track must be assigned a unique MIDI channel unless you want to layer some sounds and which is kind of pointless if you're using a sequencer because it can do that for you. Use CRTLÊ> MidiChannel "x" where x is a value from 1 to 16. In general Part 1 is assigned MIDI Chan. 1 and so on. But if you like to confuse yourself and people you could always do the following: Part 1 =Channel 5, Part 2 = Channel 16, Part 3 = Channel 8...just having fun! Lighten up, eh! 2) You must also insure that each of these tracks in enabled to receive Bank Select Messages (MIDI Rx or what ever the module is set up to do) so you can assign it a patch (a sound/instrument) via your sequencer. Use CRTL > ProgChange "Ena". 3) And make sure that the CRTL > PartEnable is "On" and part volume for that particular track is not set to minus 64! (EDIT > PartVolume "x"). I lost an hour of time once trying to figure that out! Also check to seeÊif your Virus IS receiving on that channel (use PART +/- to view the part to see if Êa quarter note on play = receiving onÊthe playing channel or a half note on play = not receiving on the playing channel end if). (BTW, I'm not a programmer) 4) You may also want to check that the part is routed to the audio output that's connected to your amp. CRTL > OutSel "x" where x is the output source. And make sure that all cables are bio-cybentically interfaced to your brain for optimal performance!!!!! Luckily for you (now I don't know if the Virus before Version B is the same) Access has provided us with a Multi setup A0 which is set-up for multi-tracking purposes, that is, Track 1 is set to MIDI Chan 1, Track 2 to MIDI 2 all the way to Track 16 MIDI Chan. 16. If not then you'll have to make one and save it. Now another problem you'll have to watch out for its that a lot of sound modules have a setting so that you can change the "multi" program via Program Change Message. Make sure that feature is disable (under CRTL set MultiPrgChg to "Dis") so that changing the instrument does not change the multi program. Hope this was informative and I do apologize for the length but I think this was a good exercise to helpÊthose just starting out. Have fun! J-P L (now a 2 month Viral veteran and just loving it!) X-From_: access-list-return-4051-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 02:23:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: canine@pop.muenster.de Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 02:29:16 +0200 To: access-list@teklab.com From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" Subject: Re: Eh........DUH This is a long one guys! that one was perfect for the FAQ...! -- think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ X-From_: access-list-return-4052-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 02:54:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Jean-Pierre Lafleur" To: Subject: Re: Eh........DUH This is a long one guys! Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:11:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Now you'll have to put this through the vocoder, "Thank you. Thank you very much". J-P L ;) >that one was perfect for the FAQ...! >-- > > >think different! > >Canine X-From_: access-list-return-4053-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 03:15:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: External (or Aux) Input Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:37:27 -0400 X-Priority: 1 Hey - What are the keys to setting up a patch to take external input (ie. Filtering or applying effects to a CD, guitar, etc.). I know there are a bunch of presets in the "D" bank already set up for this but how do you create a patch from scratch, dial the OSCs out, and enable external input? I can't find anything that jumps out at me in the manual or anything by walking through the menus... Thanks, JP X-From_: access-list-return-4054-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 03:34:15 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: External (or Aux) Input Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:56:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Never mind - it's under the effects menu. Can someone explain what the "static" and "dynamic" settings on input do? Can't find any reference to the input section in the manual. ----- Original Message ----- From: "JEP" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 9:37 PM Subject: External (or Aux) Input >Hey - What are the keys to setting up a patch to take external input (ie. Filtering or applying effects to a CD, guitar, etc.). I know there are a bunch of presets in the "D" bank already set up for this but how do you create a patch from scratch, dial the OSCs out, and enable external input? > >I can't find anything that jumps out at me in the manual or anything by walking through the menus... > >Thanks, > >JP > > X-From_: access-list-return-4055-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 03:56:26 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:10:06 EDT Subject: Re: bumping Virus Kb To: access-list@teklab.com In a message dated 6/7/00 3:46:15 PM, dennis_schissler@hp.com writes: >I'm not sure, but you might be referring to my track "Within the Fog" Yup! That's the tune, I like the quality of your verbs, I also liked the Jones track mind control, It sounds quite well with my crappie system, specially the lower mids. I liked WtF but in MC you have grown quite a bit, it sounds more mature and serious. Overall I liked your mix. Marc/osX-From_: access-list-return-4056-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 03:59:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:13:57 EDT Subject: reverse delay To: access-list@teklab.com In a message dated 6/7/00 3:46:15 PM, dennis_schissler@hp.com writes: >The reversed version (done >in SoundForge) played closely to the original version yields a sort of effect >that you are describing. I remember doing this when I had my 2 Revox machines, but I can't quite get it with the Pod delay modeler, what you did is a beautiful effect. Marc/osX-From_: access-list-return-4057-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 04:31:43 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Phlanno@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:46:01 EDT Subject: Re: Eh........DUH This is a long one guys! To: access-list@teklab.com One and all for your answers. Thanks so much......in short, the reason why Virus community gets such respect. Sincerely PX-From_: access-list-return-4060-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 05:00:53 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:14:30 EDT Subject: wizoo down? To: access-list@teklab.com I was trying to purchase sounds from the Wizoo site but I can't get it to set the country, every time I set it for the US and press the GREEN button my mac crashes! I wonder if Rob Pap2en knows about this? Marc/osX-From_: access-list-return-4058-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 04:51:47 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: new member Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:16:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Hi everybody, i am ellipsis (of www.soundscaper.com) and i would like to = request your help. I am trading/selling my microwave xt. I am doing this = for a multitude of reasons. i cannot decide wether to buy a Waldorf Q, = or an Access Virus b. If anyone knows where (or from whom) i could be = able to buy a virus b for under a thousand bucks, it would be = appreciated. Or, do you all not think that the b is worth the extra = money, and i should settle with the a as my main synth? spec-wise, i = think the virus b beats the q, and the q beats the virus a. Anyone think = otherwise? but, the q costs more. (if i cant find any goood deals used, = then i will buy new from www.musicians-gear.com ...they're prices are = great! )=20 should i wait for OS4? when will it be out? thank you for your time, _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ X-From_: access-list-return-4059-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 04:59:43 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: [OT, FS] E-MU APS Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 23:21:45 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Excuse the complete off-topic-ness of this post but I'll be brief. I'm selling my E-MU APS (PC Sampler, HD Recorder, MIDI Interface). You can check out the ad @ the Synth Site if you're interested - http://www.sonicstate.com/class/class_single.cfm?adid=26077&age=14 . I'd be willing to cut someone from this list a break or might even throw in a Paia Fatman Analogue kit that I never finished. Again - sorry for the advert. Please email me direct versus posting to the list if you're interested. John X-From_: access-list-return-4061-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 06:34:51 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: brainstorming Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:47:54 +1200 X-Priority: 3 Norsez, [Brainstorming & objective criticism as neccesary components of creative process :] >Well, you didn't say that clearly. What you said was [snip] Darling, I'll quote from my past e-mail. >>The creative process (actually a cycle) has two phases : 1) Brainstorming >>2) Objective criticism Maybe this is unclear to *you*. To everyone else on the planet, it's an absolute and comprehensive *definition* of the creative process. Sorry to confuse you. [But cunningly you chose to insult me :] >I didn't insult you. I just pointed out to you that maybe you should check if you really knew what brainstorming was. That's an insult. If you think my description of the process is wrong, tell me where. If you think it's right, say so. Telling me I don't know; generates heat rather than light. [This product is not at a 'blue sky' stage of development :] >What do you and I know about building the Virus? The Virus is clearly beyond the conceptual 'drawing-board' stage. Speak for yourself, as to what you know... This fact is pretty elementary. Maybe you should discuss things with one of your friends instead. As for the Virus, I have high-level software & moderate math experience. If I did 3 months of research I could program DSP. Not as well as Access, but in a functional manner. >Really. If we know that much we wouldn't be here, but running our own synth companies. I earn more, in my specialized area. Did you ever think that there might be other things in the world to do, besides build DSP synths? DSP algorithms are a *side interest* only to me. >Let's face it, no Virus customers is a part of the that last critical process. No reason for us not to have our own critical input. And this applies equally to brainstorming. >Objective criticism doesn't help because it's only based on what we think we know. And you know that we don't know everything. No one can know everything. Your statement implies that objective criticism is impossible. Maybe for you... I'm paid to be excellent both at brainstorming *and* evaluation. >>We see significant amounts of idea polishing, yet you don't complain about that. >>Explain yourself. (You can't). >So there. You can't EXPLAIN yourself, troll. [Objective criticism is *absolutely* as neccessary as idea creation :] >As I said, we are not even the guy who checked Chirstoph's spelling in his company memo. *You*, not me. And... ba-boom... you mis-spelt Christoph. No wonder he employs someone else to do this :-) >What do we know that much about this synthesizer? Since you say you know nothing about synthesizers, perhaps you should accept you're not competent to ask for an arpeggiator. [What recognizance have you made of objective criticism as neccessary? :] >As I said above, it shouldn't happen on this list. I think you can't handle objectivity or criticism in general. That's your issue, don't try and foist it on me. Late 70's rock was terrible due to to too much brainstorming of hand solos, and lack of critical objectivity to say 'enough already with these hand solos'. Hand solos are fine in moderation. >I and you don't know enough Feel free to bow out, of the list altogether. >We don't gain anything by killing all the possibilities of bright ideas I do, but feel free not to do so yourself. >Let the guy decide by themselves. Best not give them any feedback at all, they want only a monastery and silence to pursue their work? >The decision is never ours. Never yours, maybe. Which is by *your* choice only. I've influenced Emagic substantially for improved audio automation in Logic 5. I lobby my city councillors for improved street planning. I make decisions & get things done. I am effective and responsible. [What proposals have you made to ensure a *complete* creative process? :] >Well, you don't write any of the Virus code, do you? Neither do I. Since you're not making the synth yourself; and not writing any code; best not ask for any features. [What understanding & explanation of brainstorming have you posted? :] >As I've told you. It's clear in the dictionary. Oh, so you *don't* understand it. >I am not a native English speaker.) I hadn't guessed. [Other two 'brainstorm explanatory' points are only complaints directed at me. Explain yourself :] >Why not? You said I thought like a redneck. You aimed at me. I aimed at you back. You brought up Jim & Bob, I said they were rednecks since these are always an amusing sideshow. The only linkage of *you* to the rednecks is the one you've suggested, probably associated with all your above exclamations of unworthiness to even think about an Access Virus. If I was going to insult you, I wouldn't even characterize you as a redneck because they are quiite different to yourself. But since you bring it up again, perhaps you could explain how the *knee-jerk* criticism qualifies as *objective*. That tricky distinction of differnet words again? [Explain brainstorming in the wider context :] >Go look it up already. A ten year old can do that. You can too. I asked you to explain it. This requires understanding. You haven't even quoted from the dictionary, which would only require reading. What conclusion are we meant to reach from this? >Can you do better than a ten year old? Careful careful, play nice. I'll win either way but the stakes are lower. Cheers, Thomas X-From_: access-list-return-4063-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 06:49:23 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:04:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hasek To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: RE: new member X-Originating-IP: 64.228.67.93 Hey man. Just wanted to welcome you to the list. And say go with the B. I own an A myself, but it's worth the extra 2-400 bucks for the tons of other specs. You also wont find a used Q for what B's go for new even. Can't help you w findin one cheap, but it's rare that I see one used up for sale. Peaceout, Peter ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comX-From_: access-list-return-4062-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 06:44:47 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: brainstorming Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:06:26 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Even though this is absolutely riveting can we maybe give it a break? X-From_: access-list-return-4064-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 07:29:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: jay@teklab.com Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2000 22:44:05 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re: brainstorming) Cc: thomasw@trade-exchange.co.nz, norsez@yahoo.com As a result of this thread, both Thomas Whitmore and Norsez have been unsubscribed from the access-list. (If either one of you have an issue with that, feel free to bring it up to me personally.) This is the 2nd time (at least) that they've both been asked not to post flames or personal insults to the access-list, and yet it has persisted. This sort of banter is not appreciated by the *majority* of people on this list who would prefer to communicate in a friendly, understanding realm rather than having to be defensive. Attitudes such as those displayed on this thread recently by Thomas and norsez do *not* PROMOTE friendly discussion from first-time list users or first time Access Virus users, and the quality of the list suffers as a result. For that reason, these two folks have been unsubscribed. If they can promise they won't perpetuate this disturbance in the access-list environment, they can come back at their own discretion and participate. The rest of us on this list should put this behind us, and get back to friendly discussion about the Access Virus and other Access products. j. At 04:47 PM 06/08/2000 +1200, you wrote: Norsez, [Brainstorming & objective criticism as neccesary components of creative process :] >Well, you didn't say that clearly. What you said was [snip] Darling, I'll quote from my past e-mail. >>The creative process (actually a cycle) has two phases : 1) Brainstorming >>2) Objective criticism Maybe this is unclear to *you*. To everyone else on the planet, it's an absolute and comprehensive *definition* of the creative process. Sorry to confuse you. [But cunningly you chose to insult me :] >I didn't insult you. I just pointed out to you that maybe you should check if you really knew what brainstorming was. That's an insult. If you think my description of the process is wrong, tell me where. If you think it's right, say so. Telling me I don't know; generates heat rather than light. [This product is not at a 'blue sky' stage of development :] >What do you and I know about building the Virus? The Virus is clearly beyond the conceptual 'drawing-board' stage. Speak for yourself, as to what you know... This fact is pretty elementary. Maybe you should discuss things with one of your friends instead. As for the Virus, I have high-level software & moderate math experience. If I did 3 months of research I could program DSP. Not as well as Access, but in a functional manner. >Really. If we know that much we wouldn't be here, but running our own synth companies. I earn more, in my specialized area. Did you ever think that there might be other things in the world to do, besides build DSP synths? DSP algorithms are a *side interest* only to me. >Let's face it, no Virus customers is a part of the that last critical process. No reason for us not to have our own critical input. And this applies equally to brainstorming. >Objective criticism doesn't help because it's only based on what we think we know. And you know that we don't know everything. No one can know everything. Your statement implies that objective criticism is impossible. Maybe for you... I'm paid to be excellent both at brainstorming *and* evaluation. >>We see significant amounts of idea polishing, yet you don't complain about that. >>Explain yourself. (You can't). >So there. You can't EXPLAIN yourself, troll. [Objective criticism is *absolutely* as neccessary as idea creation :] >As I said, we are not even the guy who checked Chirstoph's spelling in his company memo. *You*, not me. And... ba-boom... you mis-spelt Christoph. No wonder he employs someone else to do this :-) >What do we know that much about this synthesizer? Since you say you know nothing about synthesizers, perhaps you should accept you're not competent to ask for an arpeggiator. [What recognizance have you made of objective criticism as neccessary? :] >As I said above, it shouldn't happen on this list. I think you can't handle objectivity or criticism in general. That's your issue, don't try and foist it on me. Late 70's rock was terrible due to to too much brainstorming of hand solos, and lack of critical objectivity to say 'enough already with these hand solos'. Hand solos are fine in moderation. >I and you don't know enough Feel free to bow out, of the list altogether. >We don't gain anything by killing all the possibilities of bright ideas I do, but feel free not to do so yourself. >Let the guy decide by themselves. Best not give them any feedback at all, they want only a monastery and silence to pursue their work? >The decision is never ours. Never yours, maybe. Which is by *your* choice only. I've influenced Emagic substantially for improved audio automation in Logic 5. I lobby my city councillors for improved street planning. I make decisions & get things done. I am effective and responsible. [What proposals have you made to ensure a *complete* creative process? :] >Well, you don't write any of the Virus code, do you? Neither do I. Since you're not making the synth yourself; and not writing any code; best not ask for any features. [What understanding & explanation of brainstorming have you posted? :] >As I've told you. It's clear in the dictionary. Oh, so you *don't* understand it. >I am not a native English speaker.) I hadn't guessed. [Other two 'brainstorm explanatory' points are only complaints directed at me. Explain yourself :] >Why not? You said I thought like a redneck. You aimed at me. I aimed at you back. You brought up Jim & Bob, I said they were rednecks since these are always an amusing sideshow. The only linkage of *you* to the rednecks is the one you've suggested, probably associated with all your above exclamations of unworthiness to even think about an Access Virus. If I was going to insult you, I wouldn't even characterize you as a redneck because they are quiite different to yourself. But since you bring it up again, perhaps you could explain how the *knee-jerk* criticism qualifies as *objective*. That tricky distinction of differnet words again? [Explain brainstorming in the wider context :] >Go look it up already. A ten year old can do that. You can too. I asked you to explain it. This requires understanding. You haven't even quoted from the dictionary, which would only require reading. What conclusion are we meant to reach from this? >Can you do better than a ten year old? Careful careful, play nice. I'll win either way but the stakes are lower. Cheers, Thomas j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html X-From_: access-list-return-4065-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 07:41:47 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 22:56:18 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: External (or Aux) Input Organization: Yahoo! >Never mind - it's under the effects menu. Can someone explain what the "static" and "dynamic" settings on input do? Can't find any reference to the input section in the manual. 'dynamic' mode only enables the input when a note is being played (note-on to note-off) 'static' has the input enabled constantly. you can use dynamic mode for cool gating effects (since the amp envelopes are active). =zsX-From_: access-list-return-4066-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 07:45:09 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: Pan Split Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:59:22 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Virusians: Sometimes, while building sounds or twiddling presets, when I run the filters in Split mode, adjusting the two OSC balance reveals that OSC1 is panned hard left and OSC2 is hard right. Sometimes, both seem to be centered. I've disabled all effects but still can't figure out why this happens. Has anyone else got some insight? -Matman X-From_: access-list-return-4067-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 08:28:31 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 02:53:08 -0400 From: luxx Reply-To: luxx@gru.net X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re:brainstorming) here here! thanks jay!X-From_: access-list-return-4068-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 09:04:04 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 00:18:55 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com, matman@mysticworks.com Subject: Re: Pan Split Organization: Yahoo! >Sometimes, while building sounds or twiddling presets, when I run the filters in Split mode, adjusting the two OSC balance reveals that OSC1 is panned hard left and OSC2 is hard right. Sometimes, both seem to be centered. > >I've disabled all effects but still can't figure out why this happens. > >Has anyone else got some insight? funny you should ask ... I'm working on a similar patch OSC panning in Split filter mode is controlled by the 'Unison PanSpread' setting located at the beginning of the Edit menu. 0=centered, 127=panned hard. -zsX-From_: access-list-return-4069-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 09:20:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com, Subject: Re: Pan Split Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 08:42:35 +0100 Organization: The Soft Room Reply-To: softroom@btinternet.com On Thu, 8 Jun 2000 01:59:22 -0400, "Matt Picone" wrote: >Has anyone else got some insight? Only other thing that occurs to me (than the one suggested) is maybe a rogue control value from another synth is affecting it or something in the "assign" menu. I sometimes get patch values which change the patch due to things I've set in this menu... PaulX-From_: access-list-return-4070-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 12:34:31 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: new member Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 06:59:32 -0400 X-Priority: 3 actually...from www.musicians-gear.com they cost about equal ( about 1200 us after shipping and dut...) _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Hasek" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:04 AM Subject: RE: new member >Hey man. Just wanted to welcome you to the list. And say go with the B. I own an A myself, but it's worth the extra 2-400 bucks for the tons of other specs. You also wont find a used Q for what B's go for new even. Can't help you w findin one cheap, but it's rare that I see one used up for >sale. > >Peaceout, > >Peter > >----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com > > > X-From_: access-list-return-4071-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 13:36:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re: brainstorming) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 07:57:03 -0400 X-Priority: 3 That's really too bad because both Thomas and Norsez (when they weren't bickering) consistently offered valuable technical information regarding the Virus and the environment it runs in (MIDI studio). I feel I gained alot from both of their posts (this last series excluded). I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves but just that their experience and expertise will be missed (by me at least). JP X-From_: access-list-return-4073-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 13:45:17 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Robert Mirza-Zadeh To: access-list Subject: Save Thomas & Norsez!!!! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:59:39 +0200 THEY SHOULD BE RESUBSCRIBED! X-From_: access-list-return-4072-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 13:42:48 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: External (or Aux) Input Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:04:44 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Yeah that is cool - Set input to dynamic, turn the arpeggiator on, and hit a key. Imagine it'll only get better w/ the addition of the new arp patterns in OS4! Especially cool when you turn the Input follower on and start playing with the shape of the envelopes. Thanks Zack. JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Steinkamp" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:56 AM Subject: Re: External (or Aux) Input >>Never mind - it's under the effects menu. Can someone explain what the "static" and "dynamic" settings on input do? Can't find any reference to >>the input section in the manual. > >'dynamic' mode only enables the input when a note is being played (note-on to note-off) > >'static' has the input enabled constantly. > >you can use dynamic mode for cool gating effects (since the amp envelopes are active). > >=zs > X-From_: access-list-return-4074-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 14:16:54 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Save Thomas & Norsez!!!! Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:35:13 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Maybe they could be put under the "Bobby Knight Zero Tolerance" policy and have to submit to counseling :} ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Mirza-Zadeh" To: "access-list" Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:59 AM Subject: Save Thomas & Norsez!!!! THEY SHOULD BE RESUBSCRIBED!= X-From_: access-list-return-4076-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 17:57:42 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Kintama" To: Subject: Re: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re: brainstorming) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 08:46:52 -0700 X-Priority: 3 I agree with how it was handled. The tone of the list was getting pretty bad and isn't good for anyone Access, us, or whoever... it reflects poorly on all of us involved. I'm tired of seeing someone getting the soul ripped out of them by certain individual/s as if it is a contest who's the most witty or evil. If the "greif to value" ratio is way out of wack it's sad, people get hurt and others feel it is justified because they offer "some" value.... its just not healthy atmosphere. The answers that people ask will always be answered by someone on the list , I'm not worried about loosing a know-it-all at that costs as much as a soul or two. This (in my opinion) should be a positive place to encourage others to create great things with the Virus, and not a platform to berate others. Sorry if anyone disagrees, it's just my opinion tho and not meant to push buttons. James -----Original Message----- From: JEP To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:51 AM Subject: Re: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re: brainstorming) >That's really too bad because both Thomas and Norsez (when they weren't bickering) consistently offered valuable technical information regarding the >Virus and the environment it runs in (MIDI studio). I feel I gained alot from both of their posts (this last series excluded). I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves but just that their experience and expertise will be missed (by me at least). > >JP > > X-From_: access-list-return-4077-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 18:09:42 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: clockwork@pop.bvl.net Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 09:04:34 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Cam Subject: Re: Save Thomas & Norsez!!!! Screw that. Thomas has been on the list ever since I subscribed, and he has never been anything but negative and condescending. I get enough crap sent to me without having to suffer through these childish arguments every few weeks. If I wanted someone to shake their dick in my face I would go to an N-Sync Concert. cam At 01:59 PM 6/8/00 +0200, you wrote: > >THEY SHOULD BE RESUBSCRIBED! ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the clockwork|v.01 website at http://www.mp3.com/clockwork_v01 join the clockwork mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=X-From_: access-list-return-4078-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 19:36:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: TomShear@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:47:38 EDT Subject: Thomas & Norsez!!!! To: access-list@teklab.com I agree. I lurk on several lists, and at least on Thomas' part all I ever saw was an attitude remniscent of the Comic Book Store guy on the Simpsons. I think this creates an atmosphere that makes beginners uncomfortable asking questions, which defeats the whole purpose of these lists in the first place. It was a good decision www.assemblage23.comX-From_: access-list-return-4080-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:04:15 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Bill Slobotski" To: Subject: OT 80's synths Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:04:15 -0500 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. So here's an OT question that may spark some light chat. I'm looking for information about what kinds of synths were used on various songs from the 80's to present. I would have guessed there would be a webpage with this info, but I haven't been able to dig it up yet. I'm especially curious about what Duran Duran used on their Rio album, where arpegiattors are heavily used on just about every song. I'm going to miss Norsez's help and insights. Bill X-From_: access-list-return-4081-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:10:31 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 11:14:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Gel-Sol Subject: Re: Thomas & Norsez!!!! To: access-list@teklab.com Hey, I made the comment like 4 months ago that Thomas was the Comic Book Sotre Guy on the Simpsons! You macked my line and didn't footnote! Anyways....... I think the banishing was appropriate......I like witty comments/insults as much as the next guy, but you gotta learn to balance your cool/nerd ratio.......I really had no idea what Thomas' English Muffins' point was after his arguement......it was chock full o' nerd-speak, and the anger lobes in my brain were being shocked and poked by the neighboring synapses......ok, whatever....I was rambling.....it was a good decision...thanks...... If anyone has any good tips or tricks for the virus, gimme a write......I write experimental music and I'm searching for new ideas...... Thanks, and please dont boot me......I'm kidding.....always...... Gel-Sol Gearboxx Interactive Studios www.gearboxx.com --- TomShear@aol.com wrote: >I agree. I lurk on several lists, and at least on Thomas' part all I ever >saw was an attitude remniscent of the Comic Book Store guy on the Simpsons. >I think this creates an atmosphere that makes beginners uncomfortable asking >questions, which defeats the whole purpose of these lists in the first place. >It was a good decision > >www.assemblage23.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4083-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:42:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: jay@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:26:49 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: Thomas Whitmore and norsez : Unsubscribed. (was Re: brainstorming) At 07:57 AM 06/08/2000 -0400, you wrote: That's really too bad because both Thomas and Norsez (when they weren't bickering) consistently offered valuable technical information regarding the Virus and the environment it runs in (MIDI studio). I feel I gained alot from both of their posts (this last series excluded). I'm not saying they didn't bring it on themselves but just that their experience and expertise will be missed (by me at least). I didn't ban them. I just unsubscribed them. It's up to them to re-subscribe if they want to, but the next time I have to take action against either one of them for misusing this forum, it will be a ban. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html X-From_: access-list-return-4084-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:50:41 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: jay@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 11:32:03 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: Thomas & Norsez!!!! At 08:34 PM 06/08/2000 +0200, you wrote: but is it fair to bann norsez as well , only because thomas once more started flaming ??? Oli I've actually asked Norsez to not respond on the list to any direct flames he gets in the past, as that is the only way to kill these threads (nip them before the fire up), but he lost it I guess with Thomas' goading. In any case, I didn't think it'd be fair to unsub just Thomas and not Norsez. Thomas has a responsibility for having a certain dick factor, and Norsez has a responsibility for not letting the dick factor die a lonesome death on the soapbox by itself. They are both welcome to re-subscribe themselves if needed. This was *not* a ban, and I've communicated this fact to them both privately. I suspect Norsez will be back, and maybe Thomas too if pride doesn't overwhelm his sense of willingness to communicate properly with other Access Virus users. Both of them are welcome, as long as both of them never flame (or respond to flames) on the list publicly again. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html X-From_: access-list-return-4079-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 19:47:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 20:34:48 +0200 From: Oliver X-Accept-Language: de To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Thomas & Norsez!!!! but is it fair to bann norsez as well , only because thomas once more started flaming ??? Oli TomShear@aol.com schrieb: >I agree. I lurk on several lists, and at least on Thomas' part all I ever saw was an attitude remniscent of the Comic Book Store guy on the Simpsons. I think this creates an atmosphere that makes beginners uncomfortable asking questions, which defeats the whole purpose of these lists in the first place. >It was a good decision > >www.assemblage23.comX-From_: access-list-return-4082-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:22:32 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: bigw@onbuffalo.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:35:34 -0400 To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: OT 80's synths re: Duran Duran..... Lots of Jupiter 8, Prophet 5, Fairlight sequencer Weld Bill Slobotski wrote: >The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. So here's an OT question that may spark some light chat. I'm looking for information about what kinds of synths were used on various songs from the 80's to present. I would have guessed there would be a webpage with this info, but I haven't been able to dig it up yet. I'm especially curious about what Duran Duran used on their Rio album, where arpegiattors are heavily used on just about every song. > >I'm going to miss Norsez's help and insights. > >BillX-From_: access-list-return-4085-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 20:58:58 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:44:07 -0400 From: "R.S. Herhuth" Reply-To: ronherhuth@mindspring.com X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: OT 80's synths Bill, I know that the Sequential Circuits Prophet 5 was huge on the 80's music scene along with the Memorymoog. Those were the giants. Native Instruments released a VST Instrument version of the Prophet 5 called appropriately enough the "Pro 5." I haven't heard it in action but I believe they have a demo version. my two cents, Ron Bill Slobotski wrote: > >The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. So here's an OT question that may spark some light chat. I'm looking for information about what kinds of synths were used on various songs from the 80's to present. I would have guessed there would be a webpage with this info, but I haven't been able to dig it up yet. I'm especially curious about what Duran Duran used on their Rio album, where arpegiattors are heavily used on just about every song. > >I'm going to miss Norsez's help and insights. > >BillX-From_: access-list-return-4086-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:01:22 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 14:45:31 -0400 From: "R.S. Herhuth" Reply-To: ronherhuth@mindspring.com X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Galaxy Support Hello, Does anyone have or know if there is a Opcode Galaxy module for the Virus? I would need it for the Mac. Thanks in advance, Ron Bill Slobotski wrote: > >The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. So here's an OT question that may spark some light chat. I'm looking for information about what kinds of synths were used on various songs from the 80's to present. I would have guessed there would be a webpage with this info, but I haven't been able to dig it up yet. I'm especially curious about what Duran Duran used on their Rio album, where arpegiattors are heavily used on just about every song. > >I'm going to miss Norsez's help and insights. > >BillX-From_: access-list-return-4088-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:25:55 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Dgerbs@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:12:19 EDT Subject: Thomas stay away! To: access-list@teklab.com X-From_: access-list-return-4087-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:22:52 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:12:35 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Weird Ideas (for GelSol) [was: English Muffinz vs. the Viking] Organization: Yahoo! >If anyone has any good tips or tricks for the virus, gimme a write......I write experimental music and I'm searching for new ideas...... alriiiiiiight ... my favorite topic sone things I've been playing with recently: 1) RingMod -- this often underused feature can put a good deal of gritty harmonics into a patch. Try turning OSC VOL all the way down, RingMod all the way up, and play with the OSC settings. Using the filter envelope to modulate OSC2 pitch can make some weird sounds. 2) Internal busses -- I've rambled about this before, and it can get frustrating, becuase you're now doubling or tripling the brain-memory required to design a sound. In Multi-Single mode, set up one or more sounds to output to AUX1+2. Set up one or more patches to listen to AUX1+2 (this is the "input patch"). I like to set up the input patch with saturation turned on, and have the MOD wheel latched somehow to the filter cutoff. Play chords on the output (output to AUX1+2) patch, and listen to how differently the saturation sounds when applied to a collection of notes (as opposed to individual notes as in a regular patch). 3) Modulate delay time to extremely low times -- latch an LFO to delay time, to modulate from some value to 0.0ms. What a crazy effect! 4) Vocode, vocode, vocode -- it's for more than B-Boys' 'Intergalactic' effects. Run the radio thru it while playing a melody. Run drumloops thru it while playing chords. Run your friend's guitar thru it while playing a bassline. Texture is KING! more2come... zsX-From_: access-list-return-4089-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:29:48 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: jay@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:17:47 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Jay Vaughan Subject: Re: OT 80's synths At 01:04 PM 06/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. Just so that it's totally clear - nobody was banned. I *unsubscribed* them, to give them pause about the thread they'd perpetuated, and they are both equally welcome to resubscribe if they want to. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html X-From_: access-list-return-4090-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:33:04 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Brian Hook" To: Subject: RE: OT 80's synths Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 12:21:54 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Actually, something that would be fairly interesting (and kind of on-topic) would be a set of tutorials/FAQs/articles about how to make the Virus sound like other classic synths. For example, someone else mentioned that 303 has an 3-pole LPF, which is difficult (if not impossible) for a virus to emulate. Oberheims were famous for their 2-pole LPFs. I think it would be interesting from a historical perspective to just sit down and take a classic synth architecture and figure out how to emulate it with a Virus. To me the obvious candidates would be the Prophet-5, MiniMoog, Roland Jupiter/MKS/JX, OBXa, and TB-303. For those that are real ambitious, you could compare/contrast how the various VAs compare when it comes to emulating some of the classic synths too (e.g. Nord vs. Waldorf vs. Roland vs. Access). If I didn't suck and wasn't so busy, I'd try it myself. Also, I don't have any classic synths to do an A/B comparison with either. As an aside, is there a big, comprehensive signal flow diagram for the Virus? I've seen bits and pieces of it in the manual, but no "overall" signal chain chart that would help when making patches. BrianX-From_: access-list-return-4091-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:43:07 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 12:41:07 -0700 From: Matthew Stolley Subject: New DnB Track - All Virus To: "access-list@teklab.com" Organization: Food.com X-Accept-Language: en I posted a new track today - Very heavy tech dnb, called "Perfect Specimen". It's all virus, except the drums, and my sampled voice. If you want to hear the nastier side of the Virus's soundscape, check the choon. http://www.mp3.com/randykraft/ As always, comments are welcome. Peace. ~m BTW, the actual mp3 is not downloading yet, but you can stream the hifi.X-From_: access-list-return-4092-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:54:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: 8 Jun 00 13:02:01 PDT From: Ras-Sol To: access-list@teklab.com, Subject: Re: [RE: OT 80's synths] "Brian Hook" wrote: >Actually, something that would be fairly interesting (and kind of on-topic) would be a set of tutorials/FAQs/articles about how to make the Virus sound like other classic synths. For example, someone else mentioned that 303 has >an 3-pole LPF, which is difficult (if not impossible) for a virus to emulate. Oberheims were famous for their 2-pole LPFs. Well, I've never tried to get a 303 sound out of my virus- But isn't the supposed 3-pole (18db) filter as easy as putting the 2 12db filters to lo-pass -> serial, and then turning the filter-mix knob a little off center? Then sync the cutoff freqs of filter1 and filter2? ~Ras-Sol -- One Of The Sun ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1X-From_: access-list-return-4093-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 21:58:11 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: 8 Jun 00 13:02:01 PDT From: Ras-Sol To: access-list@teklab.com, Subject: Re: [RE: OT 80's synths] "Brian Hook" wrote: >Actually, something that would be fairly interesting (and kind of on-topic) would be a set of tutorials/FAQs/articles about how to make the Virus sound like other classic synths. For example, someone else mentioned that 303 has >an 3-pole LPF, which is difficult (if not impossible) for a virus to emulate. Oberheims were famous for their 2-pole LPFs. Well, I've never tried to get a 303 sound out of my virus- But isn't the supposed 3-pole (18db) filter as easy as putting the 2 12db filters to lo-pass -> serial, and then turning the filter-mix knob a little off center? Then sync the cutoff freqs of filter1 and filter2? ~Ras-Sol -- One Of The Sun ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1X-From_: access-list-return-4095-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:16:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: dennis_schissler@hp.com X-OpenMail-Hops: 1 Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:16:53 -0700 Subject: Re: Weird Ideas (for GelSol) [was: English Muffinz vs. the To: access-list@teklab.com You rock zs! Your techincal expertise really adds to this list! Just got my Virus B this afternoon (hooray!) and played with it a bit during lunch. I was browsing thru some of the factory patches (many of which were on my Virus A) and in some cases it was like the sky opened up and the choir started singing. Many of the patches were a bit stifled on the A and I finally got to hear them in their full glory on the B. I'm going to try and discipline myself and work on some of the tips you mentioned below and really get to know the deep inner workings of this groovy machine. For me it's tough 'cause I have a tendancy to want to go directly to writing music without putting in loads of time tweaking and creating patches - gotta work on that. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Weird Ideas (for GelSol) [was: English Muffinz vs. the Author: Non-HP-zs (zs@yahoo-inc.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 6/8/00 12:12 PM >If anyone has any good tips or tricks for the virus, gimme a write......I write experimental music and I'm searching for new ideas...... alriiiiiiight ... my favorite topic sone things I've been playing with recently: 1) RingMod -- this often underused feature can put a good deal of gritty harmonics into a patch. Try turning OSC VOL all the way down, RingMod all the way up, and play with the OSC settings. Using the filter envelope to modulate OSC2 pitch can make some weird sounds. 2) Internal busses -- I've rambled about this before, and it can get frustrating, becuase you're now doubling or tripling the brain-memory required to design a sound. In Multi-Single mode, set up one or more sounds to output to AUX1+2. Set up one or more patches to listen to AUX1+2 (this is the "input patch"). I like to set up the input patch with saturation turned on, and have the MOD wheel latched somehow to the filter cutoff. Play chords on the output (output to AUX1+2) patch, and listen to how differently the saturation sounds when applied to a collection of notes (as opposed to individual notes as in a regular patch). 3) Modulate delay time to extremely low times -- latch an LFO to delay time, to modulate from some value to 0.0ms. What a crazy effect! 4) Vocode, vocode, vocode -- it's for more than B-Boys' 'Intergalactic' effects. Run the radio thru it while playing a melody. Run drumloops thru it while playing chords. Run your friend's guitar thru it while playing a bassline. Texture is KING! more2come... zsX-From_: access-list-return-4094-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:11:13 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: New DnB Track - All Virus Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 16:22:42 -0400 X-Priority: 3 wow...i would definately have to reccomend this track. is this with a virus a or b? i didnt care for the HH's to much, but otherwise, i really realyl love the track. could bring the 3:40 breakdown sooner... this song really pulls you in then...i would consider swapping the two sections...then go into your build upon reintroducing the 2nd synth part.... _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Stolley" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:41 PM Subject: New DnB Track - All Virus >I posted a new track today - Very heavy tech dnb, called "Perfect Specimen". It's all virus, except the drums, and my sampled voice. If you want to hear the nastier side of the Virus's soundscape, check the choon. > >http://www.mp3.com/randykraft/ > >As always, comments are welcome. Peace. > >~m > >BTW, the actual mp3 is not downloading yet, but you can stream the hifi. > X-From_: access-list-return-4096-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:30:50 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 13:37:55 -0700 From: Matthew Stolley Subject: Re: New DnB Track - All Virus To: access-list@teklab.com Organization: Food.com X-Accept-Language: en Virus A - But, Indigo in due time. Thanx for the feedback. Ellipsis wrote: > >wow...i would definately have to reccomend this track. is this with a virus a or b? > >i didnt care for the HH's to much, but otherwise, i really realyl love the track. > >could bring the 3:40 breakdown sooner... > >this song really pulls you in then...i would consider swapping the two sections...then go into your build upon reintroducing the 2nd synth part.... > >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >ellipsis >http://www.soundscaper.com >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Matthew Stolley" To: >Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 3:41 PM >Subject: New DnB Track - All Virus > >>I posted a new track today - Very heavy tech dnb, called "Perfect Specimen". It's all virus, except the drums, and my sampled voice. If you want to hear the nastier side of the Virus's soundscape, check the choon. >> >>http://www.mp3.com/randykraft/ >> >>As always, comments are welcome. Peace. >> >>~m >> >>BTW, the actual mp3 is not downloading yet, but you can stream the hifi. X-From_: access-list-return-4097-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:34:11 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Brian Hook" To: Subject: RE: [RE: OT 80's synths] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 13:38:47 -0700 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal >But isn't the supposed 3-pole (18db) filter as easy as putting the 2 12db filters to lo-pass -> serial, and then turning the filter-mix knob a little >off center? >Then sync the cutoff freqs of filter1 and filter2? I don't know, but if it works, we should put it in the FAQ =) BrianX-From_: access-list-return-4098-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:37:09 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2000 06:18:52 +0930 Subject: Re: (OT) PC App for mounting Mac Drives? - Cross Posted From: "Targon" To: access-list@teklab.com X-Priority: 3 >Hey List, > >Do any of you guys know of a freeware, or commercial app that will allow a PC to mount a Mac drive, as well as handle Mac files properly? Any help is appreciated... > >Rick > Mac Drive does this.X-From_: access-list-return-4099-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:41:29 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: [RE: OT 80's synths] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 17:04:18 -0400 X-Priority: 3 can somebody ty this, and post their findings? anyone out there with a real 303 to compare it to? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Hook" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:38 PM Subject: RE: [RE: OT 80's synths] >>But isn't the supposed 3-pole (18db) filter as easy as putting the 2 12db >>filters to lo-pass -> serial, and then turning the filter-mix knob a little >>off center? >>Then sync the cutoff freqs of filter1 and filter2? > >I don't know, but if it works, we should put it in the FAQ =) > >Brian > > X-From_: access-list-return-4100-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 22:53:46 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: 8 Jun 00 14:08:45 PDT From: Ras-Sol To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]] Hahah-- well, ya- that's why I said I haven't ever tried to get a 303 out of my virus. But yea I've got a real one sitting right nextto it, so I suppose one day I could fire them both up and get the Virus as close as I can. "Ellipsis" wrote: >can somebody ty this, and post their findings? anyone out there with a real 303 to compare it to? >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >ellipsis >http://www.soundscaper.com >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Brian Hook" >To: >Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 4:38 PM >Subject: RE: [RE: OT 80's synths] > > >>>But isn't the supposed 3-pole (18db) filter as easy as putting the 2 >12db >>>filters to lo-pass -> serial, and then turning the filter-mix knob a little >>>off center? >>>Then sync the cutoff freqs of filter1 and filter2? >> >>I don't know, but if it works, we should put it in the FAQ =) >> >>Brian >> >> ~Ras-Sol -- One Of The Sun ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1X-From_: access-list-return-4117-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 06:59:30 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:17:58 +0100 From: DTM Reply-To: catron3@slip.net X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: OT 80's synths While most here remember the analog side of things, the digital synths were fairly hip for their time: Roland D-50 Yamaha DX-7 Korg Wavestation to name a few... Bill Slobotski wrote: >The list seems a little dark today with all the talk of the bannings. So here's an OT question that may spark some light chat. I'm looking for information about what kinds of synths were used on various songs from the 80's to present. I would have guessed there would be a webpage with this info, but I haven't been able to dig it up yet. I'm especially curious about what Duran Duran used on their Rio album, where arpegiattors are heavily used on just about every song. > >I'm going to miss Norsez's help and insights. > >BillX-From_: access-list-return-4101-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 23:23:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 14:37:54 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: 303 (was [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]]) Organization: Yahoo! hi ... this is a pretty common topic here, so I'll try to summarize what I've learned so far. you can make a virus sound *fairly* close to a 303, because: - the Virus' filters can be set up to do something close to 18dB/oct - it can produce a single saw wave (like a 303) - it has portamento (for slides) ways that a virus will *never* sound like a 303: - the OSC is not analog. it is close, but if you want an exact duplication, it isn't possible - the filters are not analog. same as above. each brand of filter has a unique quality (moog vs. Akai vs. Roland vs. Yamaha). Folks have said the Virus' filters can sound Moog-y, but for the most part, people agree that they have a fairly "neutral" sound (whatever that means). - the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess this could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. :::opinion warning:::: a Virus is a beautiful, unique piece of gear. I've spent many hours at a time in front of it sculpting sounds that I feel are *only* possible with a Virus. To use it as a synth emulator is like dating a beautiful, smart woman because she has a nice ass. 303s were neat instruments when people figured out that Acid House music was cool. But I'm afraid that every combination and permutation of 303 sounds has been explored and exploited twice over. Let's make new sounds. :::end opinion::: I've heard good 303 patches on my Virus, the best of which is probably the TuBee patch posted a few months ago. It's really well constructed, and could punch through a brick wall. I have no idea who posted it, or where it can be found. Maybe somebody can put it on samplelibrary.net so folks can download it. cyaz zsX-From_: access-list-return-4102-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 23:41:10 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 15:00:30 -0700 From: Matthew Stolley Subject: Re: 303 (was [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]]) To: access-list@teklab.com Organization: Food.com X-Accept-Language: en Man, you gotta love that analogy about the nice ass. I always appreciate your in-depth analysis. Zack Steinkamp wrote: > >hi ... > >this is a pretty common topic here, so I'll try to summarize what I've learned so far. > >you can make a virus sound *fairly* close to a 303, because: - the Virus' filters can be set up to do something close to 18dB/oct - it can produce a single saw wave (like a 303) - it has portamento (for slides) > >ways that a virus will *never* sound like a 303: - the OSC is not analog. it is close, but if you want an exact >duplication, it isn't possible >- the filters are not analog. same as above. each brand of filter >has a unique quality (moog vs. Akai vs. Roland vs. Yamaha). Folks have said the Virus' filters can sound Moog-y, but for the most part, people agree that they have a fairly "neutral" sound (whatever that means). >- the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, >imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess this could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. > >:::opinion warning:::: >a Virus is a beautiful, unique piece of gear. I've spent many hours at a time in front of it sculpting sounds that I feel are *only* possible with a Virus. To use it as a synth emulator is like dating a beautiful, smart woman because she has a nice ass. 303s were neat instruments when people figured out that Acid House music was cool. But I'm afraid that every combination and permutation of 303 sounds has been explored and exploited twice over. Let's make new sounds. >:::end opinion::: > >I've heard good 303 patches on my Virus, the best of which is probably the TuBee patch posted a few months ago. It's really well constructed, and could punch through a brick wall. I have no idea who posted it, or where it can be found. Maybe somebody can put it on samplelibrary.net so folks can download it. > >cyaz >zsX-From_: access-list-return-4103-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Thu Jun 8 23:51:37 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 15:04:00 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: 303 (was [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]]) Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-08 15:00, Matthew Stolley wrote: >Man, you gotta love that analogy about the nice ass. I always appreciate your in-depth analysis. ;-) i'm just happy to be here.... zsX-From_: access-list-return-4104-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 00:16:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 16:29:28 -0600 From: Russ Magee Subject: Re: OT 80's synths To: access-list@teklab.com X-Accept-Language: en I've got a Roland JX-8P and I definitely want to try and re-create some of the sounds from it. I'll post some to the patch sites someday.. 8-) -Russ Brian Hook wrote: > >Actually, something that would be fairly interesting (and kind of on-topic) would be a set of tutorials/FAQs/articles about how to make the Virus sound like other classic synths. For example, someone else mentioned that 303 has an 3-pole LPF, which is difficult (if not impossible) for a virus to emulate. Oberheims were famous for their 2-pole LPFs. > >I think it would be interesting from a historical perspective to just sit down and take a classic synth architecture and figure out how to emulate it with a Virus. To me the obvious candidates would be the Prophet-5, MiniMoog, Roland Jupiter/MKS/JX, OBXa, and TB-303.X-From_: access-list-return-4105-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 04:43:01 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Originating-IP: [24.6.182.229] From: "- 21 -" To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 19:57:39 PDT Yeah.. how WOULD you emulate a 303 slide on a sequencer? I have an MPC2000.. I have access to Cakewalk too. So put it in those terms if ya can. If not, just describe it however ya can. Eric - the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess >this could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com X-From_: access-list-return-4107-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 04:52:28 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:07:09 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-08 19:57, - 21 - wrote: >Yeah.. how WOULD you emulate a 303 slide on a sequencer? I have an MPC2000.. I have access to Cakewalk too. So put it in those terms if ya can. If not, just describe it however ya can. ummm ... I think one way to do it would be to *only* use pitchbend to get from note to note. You could set up the patch to respond to pitchbend with a range of -12 to +12 semitones, thus giving a two-octave slide range. Note that this would be so tedious you would probably want to rip your eyes out before completing a phrase. or I guess if you wanted to spend time fiddling with portamento settings, you could adjust the portamento controller throughout the sequence, and send note-on messages a bit early. I've never used an MPC to do sequencing, so I'm not sure how much work either of the above would require. zsX-From_: access-list-return-4108-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 04:54:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:09:30 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-08 23:12, Ellipsis wrote: >why not just start all notes a 32nd or a16t (as in 16th triplet) ( depending on tempo) before the intended note's place. sounds like a good compromise to me. just make sure portamento is sufficient to cover the note-on => intented note-start time. zsX-From_: access-list-return-4106-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 04:46:37 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:12:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 why not just start all notes a 32nd or a16t (as in 16th triplet) ( depending on tempo) before the intended note's place. dig? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "- 21 -" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) >Yeah.. how WOULD you emulate a 303 slide on a sequencer? I have an MPC2000.. I have access to Cakewalk too. So put it in those terms if ya can. If not, just describe it however ya can. > > >Eric > > >>- the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, >>imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess >this >>could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. > >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > X-From_: access-list-return-4110-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 05:00:13 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: Paralogicus@aol.com Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:14:30 EDT Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) To: access-list@teklab.com Buy 2 303's, get a ReBirth. Listen to it on Peff's mp3's at mp3.com Marc/osX-From_: access-list-return-4109-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 04:58:52 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:24:16 -0400 X-Priority: 3 yeap...another thing is to make sure the attack is a little slower then it normally would be (if yolu are retriggerring the env's each time, so that way it will still be on time _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Steinkamp" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 11:09 PM Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) >On 00-06-08 23:12, Ellipsis wrote: >>why not just start all notes a 32nd or a16t (as in 16th triplet) depending >>on tempo) before the intended note's place. > >sounds like a good compromise to me. >just make sure portamento is sufficient to cover the note-on => intented note-start time. > >zs > X-From_: access-list-return-4111-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 05:04:26 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:26:34 -0400 X-Priority: 3 With Cakewalk (probably similar in Logic or Cubase) - do something like step record a pattern and set it up to loop. Now go into the Piano Roll view (or whatever view allows you to graphically see CC information in your sequencer). Make sure you've selected the "Control" data type, select "portamento" from one of the other options, find the note you want to slide and "paint" in some portamento. Start on the note you want to slide from and stop on the note you want to slide to. It's not great cause you cant really control the amount of "slide" in realtime but it gets you 1/2 way there. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "- 21 -" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 10:57 PM Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) >Yeah.. how WOULD you emulate a 303 slide on a sequencer? I have an MPC2000.. I have access to Cakewalk too. So put it in those terms if ya can. If not, just describe it however ya can. > > >Eric > > >>- the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, >>imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess >this >>could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. > >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > X-From_: access-list-return-4112-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 05:26:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: gatrall@pop.slip.net Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 20:41:40 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Simon Gatrall Subject: Re: 303 (specifically.. slides) - the way a real 303 does its slides (its most unique feature, imho) *requires* a dedicated, integrated hardware sequencer. The reason for this is that the slide to the next note happens *slightly before* to the next note in a real 303. I guess >this could be simulated with very precise and tedious work in your computer sequencer of choice. Sorry, but this has been refuted by careful analysis with a scope by the developer of the Devilfish mod for the 303, Robin Whittle: http://www.firstpr.com.au/rwi/dfish/303-slide.html -s!mon X-From_: access-list-return-4113-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 05:30:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Waveill Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 23:52:52 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Waveill? Do this - dial up preset B51 K-WERK2 RP, select the "Edit" button in the OSC section, scroll through the parameters to OSCILLATOR 2 - Wave. Why does my display read "Waveill" ? JP X-From_: access-list-return-4114-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 06:21:21 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Kintama" To: Subject: Re: Weird Ideas (for GelSol) [was: English Muffinz vs. the Viking] Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:35:57 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Zack get these tips and tricks into the FAQ !! :-) Have Fun, James -----Original Message----- From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Thursday, June 08, 2000 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Weird Ideas (for GelSol) [was: English Muffinz vs. the Viking] >>If anyone has any good tips or tricks for the virus, gimme a write......I write experimental music and I'm searching for new ideas...... > >alriiiiiiight ... my favorite topic > >sone things I've been playing with recently: > >1) RingMod -- this often underused feature can put a good deal of gritty harmonics into a patch. Try turning OSC VOL all the way down, RingMod all the way up, and play with the OSC settings. Using the filter envelope to modulate OSC2 pitch can make some weird sounds. > >2) Internal busses -- I've rambled about this before, and it can get frustrating, becuase you're now doubling or tripling the brain-memory required to design a sound. In Multi-Single mode, set up one or more sounds to output to AUX1+2. Set up one or more patches to listen to AUX1+2 (this is the "input patch"). I like to set up the input patch with saturation turned on, and have the MOD wheel latched somehow to the filter cutoff. Play chords on the output (output to AUX1+2) patch, and listen to how differently the saturation sounds when applied to a collection of notes (as opposed to individual notes as in a regular patch). > >3) Modulate delay time to extremely low times -- latch an LFO to delay time, to modulate from some value to 0.0ms. What a crazy effect! > >4) Vocode, vocode, vocode -- it's for more than B-Boys' 'Intergalactic' effects. Run the radio thru it while playing a melody. Run drumloops thru it while playing chords. Run your friend's guitar thru it while playing a bassline. Texture is KING! > >more2come... >zs > X-From_: access-list-return-4115-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 06:38:03 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Kintama" To: Subject: Re: 303 (was [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]]) Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2000 21:52:39 -0700 X-Priority: 3 Peter Haask I belive posted it. James >I've heard good 303 patches on my Virus, the best of which is probably the TuBee patch posted a few months ago. It's really well constructed, and could punch through a brick wall. I have no idea who posted it, or where it can be found. Maybe somebody can put it on samplelibrary.net so folks can download it. > >cyaz >zs > > > X-From_: access-list-return-4116-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 06:49:57 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 01:05:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Peter Hasek To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: The return of Tubee X-Originating-IP: 206.47.244.59 Here you all go. My fave Virus patch I've ever made is once again mentioned (Tubee.mid distorted TB-303 patch). It's not really a standard TB patch. That's what makes me love it so much though. Enjoy it. Peaceout, Peter Hasek http://www.casparproject.com For some very Virus-heavy tracks, check it out. ------Original Message------ From: "Kintama" To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: June 9, 2000 4:52:39 AM GMT Subject: Re: 303 (was [Re: [RE: OT 80's synths]]) Peter Haask I belive posted it. James >I've heard good 303 patches on my Virus, the best of which is probably the TuBee patch posted a few months ago. It's really well constructed, and could punch through a brick wall. I have no idea who posted it, or where it can be found. Maybe somebody can put it on samplelibrary.net so folks can download it. > >cyaz >zs > > > ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com Content-Type: audio/mid; name=Tubee.mid Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=Tubee.mid Content-ID: Tubee.mid Attachment converted: f2000:Tubee.mid 4 (????/----) (0000802B)X-From_: access-list-return-4118-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 07:13:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: clockwork@pop.bvl.net Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2000 22:32:52 -0700 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Cam Subject: Re: The return of Tubee Since Rebirth has come up, has anyone tried to program the Virus to emulate Rebirth's PCF? I think that the PCF is one of the coolest features about the program, and I would love to use it on some non-303 sounds. cam ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the clockwork|v.01 website at http://www.mp3.com/clockwork_v01 join the clockwork mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=X-From_: access-list-return-4119-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Fri Jun 9 07:54:27 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Envelope Generator" To: Subject: ? CZ .... (Re: The return of Tubee) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 08:09:24 +0200 X-Priority: 3 PETER HASEK ? Are you from Czech republic? Or You have only a Czech name ??? Kolik lidi z ceska je na tomhle listu mimo E.G.(myself) a KETO ??? Boom Shankar Envelope Generator www.new.space.cz/envelope Keep the Virus Alive! . X-From_: access-list-return-4192-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 12 16:34:53 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Cranes Music" To: Subject: test Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 19:24:45 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-From_: access-list-return-4150-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 07:44:40 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: Waveill & "Figgedi" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 01:58:23 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal The real name of the arp you've discovered is not 'figgedi' but 'figgediboudit'. This in fact is Access' answer to the many requests for a step-sequence programmable arppegiator. 'figgediboudit' (anyone who needs help with this American idiom can email me privately or just sit through a marathon of 'The Sopranos') -Matt >-----Original Message----- >From: JEP [mailto:jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Friday, June 09, 2000 11:34 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Waveill & "Figgedi" > > >You're right - > >If you send the SysEx string "F0 00 20 33 01 10 71 40 01 07 F7" you get the >"Figgedi" arp pattern (which sounds exactly like the "Up" pattern. > X-From_: access-list-return-4151-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 07:50:34 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:05:16 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com, matman@mysticworks.com Subject: Re: PCF : Plan B Organization: Yahoo! On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to send a stream of CC messages, couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the mod matrix links note number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then you could use any (monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. fantastic idea, Matt! I've put a patch called "inputPCF z" onto samplelibrary.net. The patch does just what you suggested ... "keyFollow" is latched to filter cutoff. I also latched Pitch Bend to cutoff, in case you wanted to make sweeps (up *or* down!). You just need to make sure you're in MULTI or MULTI-SINGLE mode, and the patch you want to use as a sound source is set up to OUTPUT to AUX1+2. Check out the patch on Jay's excellent samplelibrary.net site. There are instructions included in the .zip file... http://www.samplelibrary.net/browse.php?num=2&m_id=702&type=9 enjoy... zsX-From_: access-list-return-4152-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 07:58:51 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 23:14:05 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com, matman@mysticworks.com Subject: Re: PCF : Plan B Organization: Yahoo! a note... if you download this file, make sure you turn the FILTER1 CUTOFF knob halfway up (63 or so). I just noticed that the file that I uploaded had cutoff set to 0, so you would have to play notes high up on the keyboard to get cool sounds. Jay ... can I upload a new file to samplelibrary.net, and have you delete the old one? thanks zs On 00-06-09 23:05, Zack Steinkamp wrote: >On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >>Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to send a stream of CC messages, couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the mod matrix links note number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then you could use any (monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. > >fantastic idea, Matt! > >I've put a patch called "inputPCF z" onto samplelibrary.net. > >The patch does just what you suggested ... "keyFollow" is latched to filter cutoff. I also latched Pitch Bend to cutoff, in case you wanted to make sweeps (up *or* down!). > >You just need to make sure you're in MULTI or MULTI-SINGLE mode, and the patch you want to use as a sound source is set up to OUTPUT to AUX1+2. > >Check out the patch on Jay's excellent samplelibrary.net site. There are instructions included in the .zip file... http://www.samplelibrary.net/browse.php?num=2&m_id=702&type=9 > >enjoy... >zsX-From_: access-list-return-4153-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 11:00:54 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:38:13 +0930 Subject: Mailing List Archive From: "Targon" To: "¥ ViRUS List" X-Priority: 3 I will be purchasing a ViRUS Indigo when they ship later this year. No doubt ill have a few questions. Rather than post previously answered questions ,i'd prefer the convenience of a search facility. Im wondering if there is an online, searchable Access mailing list archive? Many thanx TaRG¯N X-From_: access-list-return-4193-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Mon Jun 12 16:36:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Cranes Music" To: Subject: test Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:31:56 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-From_: access-list-return-4154-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 11:45:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 12:34:10 +0200 From: Oliver X-Accept-Language: de To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: PCF : Plan B thanks , mate . thats a good one cheers Oli Zack Steinkamp schrieb: On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to send a stream of CC messages, couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the mod matrix links note number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then you could use any (monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. fantastic idea, Matt! I've put a patch called "inputPCF z" onto samplelibrary.net. The patch does just what you suggested ... "keyFollow" is latched to filter cutoff. I also latched Pitch Bend to cutoff, in case you wanted to make sweeps (up *or* down!). You just need to make sure you're in MULTI or MULTI-SINGLE mode, and the patch you want to use as a sound source is set up to OUTPUT to AUX1+2. Check out the patch on Jay's excellent samplelibrary.net site. There are instructions included in the .zip file... http://www.samplelibrary.net/browse.php?num=2&m_id=702&type=9 enjoy... zs X-From_: access-list-return-4155-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 13:38:46 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 04:52:48 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: RE: PCF : Plan B To: access-list@teklab.com >On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >>Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to >send a stream of CC messages, >>couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the >mod matrix links note >>number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then >you could use any >>(monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. Hey that's a great work around! But if one really wants recognizable PCF effect. I still recommend using sequencer because PCFing is meant to sound not sound like tweaking. The contrast between human sounding tweaking and the change in PCF in step-like patterns is what really make PCF unmistakable from just another level of filtering. (Check out some nice patterns of PCF cut control in Appendix D, Rebirth Manual.) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4157-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 14:20:39 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Jean-Pierre Lafleur" To: Subject: Re: "Birth" PCF : Appendix D? Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 08:37:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 >(Check out some nice patterns of >PCF cut control in Appendix D, Rebirth Manual.) Appendix D? Where? Way back in '98 all I got was a small 5 language manual when I upgrade version 1.5 to 2.0. And prop'head's web page has no on-line manuals. Not that it matters really. I think I figured it out but you would think they would at least post their latest manual in PDF format, something I find Access does a good job at! J-P L X-From_: access-list-return-4158-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 14:30:14 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 05:45:31 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re:"ReBirth" PCF To: access-list@teklab.com J-P L wrote: >Appendix D? Where? I have it in PDF. But I can send it to anyone who wants a copy. Email me privately. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4159-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 14:47:22 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 06:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: Vocoder To: access-list@teklab.com Hi Ez, I did respond last time and I think so did a number of people. Anyway, to answer your question, my approach seems to be complicated compared to what other people suggested. Some suggest you crack how a few of the last presets in Bank D are programmed and you are good to go. By the way, I have 2 tiny silly vocoder mp3 up at http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html if you wanna give a listen. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4156-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 14:08:04 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:27:39 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: "access-list@teklab.com" Subject: The Vocoder Hi, a while back someone sent a message about getting good intelligable vocals out of the vocoder...nobody answered. Is this because the virus can't or just that nobody could be bothered answering. I've had a go and though I've got close I still don't think people would understand what was being said without me moving the balance in the vocals favour.... Thanks, EzX-From_: access-list-return-4160-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 15:20:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "JEP" To: Subject: Re: Mailing List Archive Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:40:37 -0400 X-Priority: 3 Targon: Check http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/listarchive/index.html . It's not up to date but that's where it's at. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Targon" To: "Û ViRUS List" Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 5:08 AM Subject: Mailing List Archive I will be purchasing a ViRUS Indigo when they ship later this year. No doubt ill have a few questions. Rather than post previously answered questions ,i'd prefer the convenience of a search facility. Im wondering if there is an online, searchable Access mailing list archive? Many thanx TaRG¯N X-From_: access-list-return-4161-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 15:41:32 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: The Vocoder Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:56:14 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the virus, and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm section patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed out, COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. -M@ >-----Original Message----- >From: Ez [mailto:soundcreation@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 9:28 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: The Vocoder > > >Hi, a while back someone sent a message about getting good intelligable vocals out of the vocoder...nobody answered. Is this because the virus can't or just that nobody could be bothered answering. >I've had a go and though I've got close I still don't think people would >understand what was being said without me moving the balance in the vocals favour.... >Thanks, >Ez > > > X-From_: access-list-return-4162-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 16:11:19 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: CALLING CRISTOPH: Feature Request (was PCF: Plan B) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 10:25:49 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Now.... what we REALLY need is some new ways to get this brilliant effecting to sync other gear.Ê Christoph, if you're listening, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE give us the capability to have the virus echo ONE of it's function values as MIDI CC data in the out port!!!Ê It would turn the virus into an amazing master controller and increase its value tremendously!!!!!!!!! For example, a Setting for MIDI CC OUT could have one, two, or even three parameters: 1. CC OUT PARAM Specifies WHICH internal parameter will have its current value linked to the MIDI CC message stream at the MIDI out port (same menu options as mod matrix DEST?) 2.ÊCC OUT NUM Specifies the MIDI CC number to which outgoing messages will be mapped. 3.ÊCC OUT Polarity: Inverts the value of the CC out stream so 0=127 and 127=0 My LORD can you imagine how incredibly cool it would be to use the virus to control parameter values on other gear which wasn't sophisticated enough to implement external MIDI clock sync?Ê The potential in this feature boggles the mind.ÊI'd buy another virus (a rack this time) if such profits would help finance the work!Ê =================================== PS: Secondly, I'd like to request a variant of multi mode for the express purpose of catering to use with a guitar synth controller. This is necessary because guitar synth uses 6 multi parts with identical settings, across 6 midi channels, making realtime control next to impossible without a sophisticated external MIDI mapping device. In this new mode, incoming MIDI CC and Program Change messages received on ONE channel, specified as the Master, would be internally rebroadcasted across all channels.Ê With this feature, an incoming string of CC7 received on Channel 1 would have the effect of changing the volume across ALL parts in a MULTI mode performance patch.Ê ÊWithout such capabilities, unfortunately, guitar synthesists are forced to abandon the incredible realtime control capabilities of the virus except via the knobs on the guitar (typically 1) and the measley single pedal they have on their central brain.Ê I'm sitting on no fewer that 8 pedals of CC control with no place to go! -M@ -----Original Message----- From: Oliver [mailto:olefski@bluewin.ch] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 6:34 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: PCF : Plan B thanks , mate . thats a good one cheers Oli Zack Steinkamp schrieb: On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to send a stream of CC messages, couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the mod matrix links note number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then you could use any (monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. fantastic idea, Matt! I've put a patch called "inputPCF z" onto samplelibrary.net. The patch does just what you suggested ... "keyFollow" is latched to filter cutoff. I also latched Pitch Bend to cutoff, in case you wanted to make sweeps (up *or* down!). You just need to make sure you're in MULTI or MULTI-SINGLE mode, and the patch you want to use as a sound source is set up to OUTPUT to AUX1+2. Check out the patch on Jay's excellent samplelibrary.net site. There are instructions included in the .zip file... http://www.samplelibrary.net/browse.php?num=2&m_id=702&type=9 enjoy... zs X-From_: access-list-return-4164-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 18:32:22 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 09:47:26 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: vocoder To: access-list@teklab.com Ez, "Yes I understand what you are saying" :) I liked it. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4166-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 18:55:40 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: The Vocoder Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:19:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ez" To: Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up with >what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which seemed to >be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... > >To hear the results of what I did... > >http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 > >and the patch used can be downloaded also... > >http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid > >Thanks, >Ez > > >Matt Picone wrote: > >>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the virus, >>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >> >>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm section >>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed out, >>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >> >>-M@ > X-From_: access-list-return-4167-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 19:17:38 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: The Vocoder Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 13:32:30 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal How beautiful it is to be proven wrong... but I can't download the patch. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ellipsis [mailto:ellipsis@home.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:20 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: The Vocoder > > >can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >ellipsis >http://www.soundscaper.com >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ez" To: >Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM >Subject: Re: The Vocoder > > >>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble >and come up >with >>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >seemed to >>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >> >>To hear the results of what I did... >> >>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >> >>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >> >>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >> >>Thanks, >>Ez >> >> >>Matt Picone wrote: >> >>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for >textures but >>>lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although >I love the >virus, >>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I >must point out >>>that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in >this category >>>(check out >>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>> >>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >section >>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for >really excellent >>>performance and a unit that will, as so many others here >have pointed >out, >>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>> >>>-M@ >> > > X-From_: access-list-return-4163-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 18:28:46 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:46:22 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up with what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which seemed to be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... To hear the results of what I did... http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 and the patch used can be downloaded also... http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid Thanks, Ez Matt Picone wrote: >IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the virus, and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). > >I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm section patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed out, COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. > >-M@X-From_: access-list-return-4165-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 18:53:34 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:12:31 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: vocoder Thanks, just found out Wave 28 works better than 27, playing even lower on the keyboard than on the example gives good results, can get some usable chords going as well. Ez norsez wrote: >Ez, > >"Yes I understand what you are saying" :) I liked it. > >norsez > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4171-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 20:08:31 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 11:23:43 -0700 (PDT) From: norsez Subject: re: vocoder To: access-list@teklab.com >> >>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the >>same voice...? Yes, you can do that. Takes a bit more work, but it's how I usaually use the vocoder. (e.g. my vocoder samples.) Go on MultiSingle mode. Put the carrier sound you want in one channel and set the output to Aux1 L+R. Goto another channel. Turn on the Vocoder. Play the first channel while you speak (if you are not on OSC HOLD mode). Now applying the filter on the first channel means the same thing as applying filter on the signal. Because our voice is just the modulator signal. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4168-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 19:19:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:37:52 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder Yes. just make the output of the vocoder channel (eg 7) feed into input R and then select D84 on another channel (eg 8) selecting input R as the input source, I've got it going as I speak, going out soon otherwise would send an example but I can assure you it can be done. Thanks, I never thought the Virus could do anything like that within the same unit but you gave me inspiriation. Ez Ellipsis wrote: >can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ >ellipsis >http://www.soundscaper.com >_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ez" To: >Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM >Subject: Re: The Vocoder > >>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up >with >>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >seemed to >>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >> >>To hear the results of what I did... >> >>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >> >>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >> >>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >> >>Thanks, >>Ez >> >> >>Matt Picone wrote: >> >>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the >virus, >>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>> >>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >section >>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed >out, >>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>> >>>-M@ X-From_: access-list-return-4169-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 19:29:12 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:48:51 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder hahaha, now I uderstand what you mean when you say the same voice, no, sorry, the filters aren't active when vocoder is on (at least I don't think they are!) Ez wrote: >Yes. just make the output of the vocoder channel (eg 7) feed into input R and then select D84 on another channel (eg 8) selecting input R as the input source, I've got it going as I speak, going out soon otherwise would send an example but I can assure you it can be done. Thanks, I never thought the Virus could do anything like that within the same unit but you gave me inspiriation. > >Ez > >Ellipsis wrote: > >>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>ellipsis >>http://www.soundscaper.com >>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ez" To: >>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM >>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >> >>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up >>with >>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >>seemed to >>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >>> >>>To hear the results of what I did... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>> >>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Ez >>> >>> >>>Matt Picone wrote: >>> >>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the >>virus, >>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >>>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>> >>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >>section >>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed >>out, >>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>>> >>>>-M@ X-From_: access-list-return-4170-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 19:32:15 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 18:51:44 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder Well I've tried saving it a bit differently cos I was having a few probs getting the patch back up from the file so here it is attached. Should be okay, this one is the same but uses wave 28, the example used wave 27, change wave using osc2 only as osc1 turned off. Matt Picone wrote: >How beautiful it is to be proven wrong... but I can't download the patch. > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ellipsis [mailto:ellipsis@home.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:20 PM >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >> >> >>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? >>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>ellipsis >>http://www.soundscaper.com >>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ez" To: >>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM >>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >> >> >>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble >>and come up >>with >>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >>seemed to >>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >>> >>>To hear the results of what I did... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>> >>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Ez >>> >>> >>>Matt Picone wrote: >>> >>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for >>textures but >>>>lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although >>I love the >>virus, >>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I >>must point out >>>>that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in >>this category >>>>(check out >>>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>> >>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >>section >>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for >>really excellent >>>>performance and a unit that will, as so many others here >>have pointed >>out, >>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>>> >>>>-M@ >>> >> >> Content-Type: application/octet-stream; x-mac-type="4D696469"; x-mac-creator="73744341"; name="EZvocodeMID" Content-Description: Unknown Document Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="EZvocodeMID" Attachment converted: f2000:EZvocodeMID (Midi/stCA) (0000802C)X-From_: access-list-return-4172-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 22:07:45 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 16:21:06 -0400 From: AdamS X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder could you break that down for a newbie im having hair pulling troubles, trying to get it to work right Ez wrote: >Yes. just make the output of the vocoder channel (eg 7) feed into input R and then select D84 on another channel (eg 8) selecting input R as the input source, I've got it going as I speak, going out soon otherwise would send an example but I can assure you it can be done. Thanks, I never thought the Virus could do anything like that within the same unit but you gave me inspiriation. > >Ez > >Ellipsis wrote: > >>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>ellipsis >>http://www.soundscaper.com >>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Ez" To: >>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM >>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >> >>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up >>with >>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >>seemed to >>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >>> >>>To hear the results of what I did... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>> >>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>> >>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>> >>>Thanks, >>>Ez >>> >>> >>>Matt Picone wrote: >>> >>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the >>virus, >>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >>>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>> >>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >>section >>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed >>out, >>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>>> >>>>-M@ X-From_: access-list-return-4173-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sat Jun 10 22:56:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Ellipsis" To: Subject: Re: The Vocoder Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 17:22:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 but thi isnt in the same voice then, is it? doesnt this internal routing actually eat-up another slot of poly (or two if you are doing setero???) thenks, e p.s. is this being done with a virus a/b? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ellipsis http://www.soundscaper.com _-=-_-=-_-=-_ ----- Original Message ----- From: "AdamS" To: Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 4:21 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >could you break that down for a newbie im having hair pulling troubles, trying to >get it to work right > >Ez wrote: > >>Yes. just make the output of the vocoder channel (eg 7) feed into input R and >>then select D84 on another channel (eg 8) selecting input R as the input source, I've got it going as I speak, going out soon otherwise would send an >>example but I can assure you it can be done. Thanks, I never thought the Virus >>could do anything like that within the same unit but you gave me inspiriation. >> >>Ez >> >>Ellipsis wrote: >> >>>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? >>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>ellipsis >>>http://www.soundscaper.com >>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ez" To: >>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>> >>>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up >>>with >>>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >>>seemed to >>>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >>>> >>>>To hear the results of what I did... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>>> >>>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ez >>>> >>>> >>>>Matt Picone wrote: >>>> >>>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but >>>>>lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the >>>virus, >>>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out >>>>>that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category >>>>>(check out >>>>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>>> >>>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >>>section >>>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent >>>>>performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed >>>out, >>>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>>>> >>>>>-M@ >>>> > > X-From_: access-list-return-4174-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 05:48:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 21:05:14 -0700 From: Dan The Burke Subject: Re: The Vocoder To: access-list@teklab.com Reply-to: Dan The Burke X-Priority: 3 >Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up with >what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which seemed to >be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... > >To hear the results of what I did... > >http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 > >and the patch used can be downloaded also... > >http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid > >Thanks, >Ez WOW!! EZ you rock man...how did you do that? How do I get my VIRUS to do that? I don't know how to use my vocoder yet, and am trying to exactly, precisely what you did!! Brilliant. Could you tell please how to hook up the Access Virus to my Mackie SR 24-4 mixer to get these results? When I have toyed with the vocoder, I got some results, but the source signal was in the mix. That MP3 sounds great! yes, I easily understood it. WOW...Now I really love my Virus! ;) Dan The Burke www.mp3.com/nukleon X-From_: access-list-return-4175-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 08:07:36 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:23:06 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder Organization: Yahoo! If you want to avoid the polyphony hit of an internal routing, there is the "Center" paremeter of the vocoder (on the Filter 1 Cutoff knob) that can act like a non-resonant low-pass *or* high-pass filter (depending on where the knob is). -zs On 00-06-10 18:48, Ez wrote: >hahaha, now I uderstand what you mean when you say the same voice, no, sorry, the filters aren't active when vocoder is on (at least I don't think they are!) > >Ez wrote: > >>Yes. just make the output of the vocoder channel (eg 7) feed into input R and then select D84 on another channel (eg 8) selecting input R as the input source, I've got it going as I speak, going out soon otherwise would send an example but I can assure you it can be done. Thanks, I never thought the Virus could do anything like that within the same unit but you gave me inspiriation. >> >>Ez >> >>Ellipsis wrote: >> >>>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? _-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>ellipsis >>>http://www.soundscaper.com >>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ez" To: >>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>> >>>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble and come up >>>with >>>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled across wave 27 which >>>seemed to >>>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there are others... >>>> >>>>To hear the results of what I did... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>>> >>>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ez >>>> >>>> >>>>Matt Picone wrote: >>>> >>>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for textures but lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although I love the >>>virus, >>>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I must point out that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in this category (check out >>>>>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>>> >>>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations about the rhythm >>>section >>>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for really excellent performance and a unit that will, as so many others here have pointed >>>out, >>>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really COMPETING with it. >>>>> >>>>>-M@ X-From_: access-list-return-4176-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 08:10:00 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2000 23:25:19 -0700 From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: PCF : Plan B Organization: Yahoo! just in case anyone missed it, check out my patch "inputPCF z" on http://www.samplelibrary.net . It can do what the ReBirth pcf does, but is *way* more flexible ('cause it's a Virus, man!). -zs On 00-06-10 04:52, norsez wrote: >>On 00-06-09 11:18, Matt Picone wrote: >>>Instead of relying on a sequencer's ability to >>send a stream of CC messages, >>>couldn't you create a patch for part 2 where the >>mod matrix links note >>>number (pitch) to cutoff and velocity to Q? Then >>you could use any >>>(monophonic?) MIDI track to do your PCF. > >Hey that's a great work around! But if one really wants recognizable PCF effect. I still recommend using sequencer because PCFing is meant to sound not sound like tweaking. The contrast between human sounding tweaking and the change in PCF in step-like patterns is what really make PCF unmistakable from just another level of filtering. (Check out some nice patterns of PCF cut control in Appendix D, Rebirth Manual.) > > >norsez > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints! >http://photos.yahoo.comX-From_: access-list-return-4177-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 17:50:24 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: The Vocoder Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:05:10 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal I still can't seem to get this patch. Perhaps you should copy and paste it as sysex instead of using an attachment. All I see is a *.dat file, and the link you gave us for downloading doesn't seem to work. -M@ >-----Original Message----- >From: Ez [mailto:soundcreation@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 2:52 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: The Vocoder > > >Well I've tried saving it a bit differently cos I was having a few probs >getting the patch back up from the file so here it is attached. Should be okay, >this one is the same but uses wave 28, the example used wave 27, change wave >using osc2 only as osc1 turned off. > >Matt Picone wrote: > >>How beautiful it is to be proven wrong... but I can't >download the patch. >> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Ellipsis [mailto:ellipsis@home.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:20 PM >>>To: access-list@teklab.com >>>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>> >>> >>>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? >>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>ellipsis >>>http://www.soundscaper.com >>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: "Ez" To: >>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>> >>> >>>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble >>>and come up >>>with >>>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled >across wave 27 which >>>seemed to >>>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there >are others... >>>> >>>>To hear the results of what I did... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>>> >>>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>>> >>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>>> >>>>Thanks, >>>>Ez >>>> >>>> >>>>Matt Picone wrote: >>>> >>>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for >>>textures but >>>>>lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although >>>I love the >>>virus, >>>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I >>>must point out >>>>>that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in >>>this category >>>>>(check out >>>>> >http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>>> >>>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations >about the rhythm >>>section >>>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for >>>really excellent >>>>>performance and a unit that will, as so many others here >>>have pointed >>>out, >>>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really >COMPETING with it. >>>>> >>>>>-M@ >>>> >>> >>> > X-From_: access-list-return-4178-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 17:58:46 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com X-Sender: mpulver@midiwall.com Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 11:13:53 -0500 To: access-list@teklab.com From: Mark Pulver Subject: RE: The Vocoder Matt Picone (12:05 PM 06.11.2000) wrote: >I still can't seem to get this patch. Perhaps you should copy and paste it as sysex instead of using an attachment. All I see is a *.dat file, and the link you gave us for downloading doesn't seem to work. I just did some poking around and it looks like the file has a "MID" extension, not "mid": http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.MID If you click on this and get a media player, then RIGHT_CLICK (or COMMAND_CLICK click on a Mac), select "save as" and save the file on your drive. Mark _______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica | \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com _______________________________________________________ X-From_: access-list-return-4179-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 18:04:33 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Reply-To: From: "Matt Picone" To: Subject: RE: The Vocoder Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 12:19:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal Actually, media player has a 'Save As' command, and using outlook for email makes it impossible to right click. Oh, by the way, THANK YOU for noticing the case in the URL! That did it. -Matt >-----Original Message----- >From: Mark Pulver [mailto:mark@midiwall.com] Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2000 12:14 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: RE: The Vocoder > > >Matt Picone (12:05 PM 06.11.2000) wrote: > >>I still can't seem to get this patch. Perhaps you should >copy and paste it >>as sysex instead of using an attachment. All I see is a >*.dat file, and the >>link you gave us for downloading doesn't seem to work. > >I just did some poking around and it looks like the file has a "MID" extension, not "mid": > >http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.MID > >If you click on this and get a media player, then RIGHT_CLICK (or COMMAND_CLICK click on a Mac), select "save as" and save the file on your >drive. > > >Mark >_______________________________________________________ |_) _ _||\/| _ _ ._ evolutionary electronica >| \(/_(_|| |(_)(_)| | www.redmoon-music.com >_______________________________________________________ > > X-From_: access-list-return-4180-canine=muenster.de@teklab.com Sun Jun 11 18:58:07 2000 Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 18:18:09 +0000 From: Ez Organization: ? X-Accept-Language: en To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: The Vocoder Sorry there's probs with the patch, I'm using Cubase VST 4.1 for Mac, if you can give me instructions on how to do what you've stated below I'll get onto it straight away, Thanks, Ez Matt Picone wrote: >I still can't seem to get this patch. Perhaps you should copy and paste it as sysex instead of using an attachment. All I see is a *.dat file, and the link you gave us for downloading doesn't seem to work. > >-M@ > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Ez [mailto:soundcreation@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 2:52 PM >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >> >> >>Well I've tried saving it a bit differently cos I was having a few probs >>getting the patch back up from the file so here it is attached. Should be okay, >>this one is the same but uses wave 28, the example used wave 27, change wave >>using osc2 only as osc1 turned off. >> >>Matt Picone wrote: >> >>>How beautiful it is to be proven wrong... but I can't >>download the patch. >>> >>>>-----Original Message----- >>>>From: Ellipsis [mailto:ellipsis@home.com] Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:20 PM >>>>To: access-list@teklab.com >>>>Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>>> >>>> >>>>can you then apply a lowpass filter to that signal, in the same voice...? >>>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>>ellipsis >>>>http://www.soundscaper.com >>>>_-=-_-=-_-=-_ >>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>From: "Ez" To: >>>>Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 1:46 PM Subject: Re: The Vocoder >>>> >>>> >>>>>Well I was of that opinion but I've just had a little dabble >>>>and come up >>>>with >>>>>what I reckon are quite good results, I stumbled >>across wave 27 which >>>>seemed to >>>>>be quite clear for vocoding vocals but I'm sure there >>are others... >>>>> >>>>>To hear the results of what I did... >>>>> >>>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mp3 >>>>> >>>>>and the patch used can be downloaded also... >>>>> >>>>>http://www.soundcreation.co.uk/EZvocode.mid >>>>> >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Ez >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Matt Picone wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>IMHO, the virus can't do it. The vocoder is wonderful for >>>>textures but >>>>>>lacks the clarity required for the robot voice. Although >>>>I love the >>>>virus, >>>>>>and I've recommended it to about a dozen fence sitters, I >>>>must point out >>>>>>that the SuperNova II seems to promise outperformance in >>>>this category >>>>>>(check out >>>>>> >>http://www.novationusa.com/products/snvkbd/mp3s/vocalvocoder.mp3). >>>>>> >>>>>>I've also been involved in making recommendations >>about the rhythm >>>>section >>>>>>patches for the SNII- again, I've got high hopes for >>>>really excellent >>>>>>performance and a unit that will, as so many others here >>>>have pointed >>>>out, >>>>>>COMPLIMENT the virus perfectly without really >>COMPETING with it. >>>>>> >>>>>>-M@ >>>>> >>>> >>>>