I meant the specs sound great .... : ) ----- Original Message ----- From: bigw To: Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 2:59 PM Subject: Re: Notron Info (was New Track - Amnesia) >I want the one you have, mine doesnt make any sound : ) weld > >Justin Grimley wrote: > >>Notron sounds great ... but kinda expensive ... anyone know of a good software step sequencer that even comes close ??? Justin. >> >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: >>Cc: >>Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Notron Info (was New Track - Amnesia) >> >>>Thanks for the feedback zs. >>> >>>I sent the Notron info below privately to Oli but since others appear >>>to also be interested I'll forward it to the whole group. In summary >>>the Notron is a GREAT companion to the Virus. >>> >>>For more info check out www.notron.com >>> >>>------------------- >>> >>>I am very happy with my Notron - I used it to create most of the >>synth >>>loops in "Amnesia". I've found it to be a great creative tool. It >>is >>>a bit on the pricey side, though. >>> >>>It essentially offers 4 "tracks", each up to 16 steps long. You really won't be able to sequence full songs on it, just lines or >>loops >>>(though there is a chain feature that allows you to chain several lines together). >>> >>>It has tons of buttons, knobs, and lights and is an exquisite looking >>>instrument. And not many are out there - I think I have serial >>number >>>54! >>> >>>It has many features but some of the unique ones that I use alot: >>> >>>"Super Steps" - unique profiles of controller, pitch bend, or aftertouch values that can be applied to any step of the sequence. >>> >>>"Overdrive" - can trigger any step multiple times (turn a 16th note >>>into a 32nd or 64th). >>> >>>"Beat Creep" - make subtle or not-so-subtle changes to the beat by >>>selecting different beat creep patterns. >>> >>>"Echo" - will retrigger notes at differnent selectable intervals >>> >>>There is no LCD to speak of so it does take awhile to learn how to >>use >>>some of the features but I've found that most everything is straightforward and I was able to come up to speed pretty quick. Overall I've found it very easy to input different sequences and then >>>tweak them using Notron's many features. Very little is hidden under >>>an interface so it is quick and easy to make changes. Almost all features can be edited/changed while the sequencer is running for >>that >>>immediate feedback. I think that the designer's philosophy was to create an instrument that allows and encourages that "accident" that >>>turns a so-so beat into something that really kicks. This has happened a lot for me. >>> >>>Hope that helps, >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>> >>>______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >>>Subject: Re: New Track - Amnesia (nearly all Virus) Author: Non-HP-zs (zs@yahoo-inc.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 10:51 AM >>> >>> >>>hey dennis >>> >>>that really sounds great >>> >>>you've got some killer details in there (the panning reverb, etc...) >>> >>>how many tracks were sequenced by your notron? do you find that it >>>helps with t he process of creation >>> >>>again, your song is ripping! >>> >>>zs >>> >>> >>>On 00-04-18 08:50, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > I have a new >>>track out at: >>>> >>>>www.mp3.com/subgenius >>>> >>>>called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for >>>the >>>>intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be >>>amazed at > the variety of sounds that this instrument can >>>produce (with the help > of the amazing sound designers we have >>>in this crowd!). >>>> >>>>Cheers all, >>>> >>>>Dennis >>>> >>> >>> > > > Dear list: Is it a good idea to switch off any of the parts which are not being used in a Multi to allow for more processing power to be directed to parts that are enabled.? If a part is enabled but does not receive midi, does it still consume processing power? This off course is not much of an issue for VIRUS-B users (yet!). :)-~TrevWhy? Did you ever miss processing power except that there are not enough voices? :-) Bernhard ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor Lea To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2000 2:12 PM Subject: Processing power? (Virus-A) Dear list: Is it a good idea to switch off any of the parts which are not being used in a Multi to allow for more processing power to be directed to parts that are enabled.? If a part is enabled but does not receive midi, does it still consume processing power? This off course is not much of an issue for VIRUS-B users (yet!). :)-~Trev At 10:12 AM +0200 on 20.04.2000 Trevor Lea wrote: Dear list: Is it a good idea to switch off any of the parts which are not being used in a Multi to allow for more processing power to be directed to parts that are enabled.? If a part is enabled but does not receive midi, does it still consume processing power? This off course is not much of an issue for VIRUS-B users (yet!). No this is not necessary. Even a vocoder patch that is not used but selected in a multi switches itself off after a little while and thus saves DSP power. You only need to switch off parts if you have more than the Virus connected to the same MIDI port and need to make sure some channels only go to the other instrument (say a drumbox or sampler) and not to the Virus. think different! 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(Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hi! my virus b is very new, and i still haven't tried to make a midi-dump, besides i do not have a computer, so i make dumps usually into my korg-workstation. but the dumps are limited to 64kb. can anyone tell my how big a patch-dump of one virus bank is? i also do not understand the funktion "force to edit" by dumping the sounds back into the virus. it's written that this funktion ist good for pre-listening the sounds of an unknown bank,... but how does this work? when i make a midi-dump with all sounds of one bank, what does the virus do, when it's forced to edit??? does it stop after each single sound, or what? something else: i was wondering about the fm funktion in the virus when i used it the first time. it sounded much different from the way how it works on my nordlead, after i have realized that it was non-linear fm-modulation (postri) that i was using on the virus. what is physically the difference between linear fm (on virus "tri") or non linear? it's a pity that u cannot use a modultated pulse-waveform from oszillator 1 as carrier for fm-modulation. this would make the fm-sound even more "living" :-) again another question: of all my synthies the virus b is one of the instruments with the highest noise-level. it's nearly as noisy as my old yamaha tx16w-sampler. a funny detail is that if you turn off main volume to minimum the noise disappears suddenly at a certain point with a loud "klick". it seems that the da-converters have quite a loud noise-level. what do you think? thanks for any answers! o. ___________________ www.besonic.com/oluv > You're right. In later mails I did talked about bulk dump sysex. Although What I meant was just that I suggested using sysex. But then came the skepticism in using sysex that dragged the whole topic out to another way. norsez Christoph wrote: In einer eMail vom 19.04.00 22:57:43 MEZ, schreiben Sie: Guess you were talking about two different thinks. One is a regular program change message, but packed in sysex format. The other one is a single dump by sysex. -Christoph __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comHi! Sorry for being offtopic, but I'd like to know some user statements and information regarding the E5000 Ultra. Has anyone used it so far ? I currently own an ESi-4000 and I'm looking forward to buying the E5000 (EOS-Link, DSP-Board, better Import, EOS not ESI-OS as an Industry Standard, etc.). How is the EOS-Link Software (PC) ? Does it work properly ? Are you glad you buyed an E5000, or would you buy an E6400. Thanks for answers in advance, contact me privately if my question is too offtopic. Greetings, Thomas-LarsAt 12:07 PM +0200 on 20.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: again another question: of all my synthies the virus b is one of the instruments with the highest noise-level. it's nearly as noisy as my old yamaha tx16w-sampler. a funny detail is that if you turn off main volume to minimum the noise disappears suddenly at a certain point with a loud "klick". it seems that the da-converters have quite a loud noise-level. what do you think? Please check the "input Boost" parameter. If this is turned up, the Virus will make a lot of noise even when there is nothing connected to the Input. Also see if the "Direct Thru" parameter (also in the input section under EFX) is turned up. Then you can hear anything going on at the inputs even if no patches are set to input mode. normally the Virus B is not noisy at all. think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ hi, I guess, extending the E5000 is very expensive, so I'd buy the 6400. regards nico> >>>canine@muenster.de 04/20 1:21 >>> At 12:07 PM +0200 on 20.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: Please check the "input Boost" parameter. If this is turned up, the Virus will make a lot of noise even when there is nothing connected to the Input. Also see if the "Direct Thru" parameter (also in the input section under EFX) is turned up. Then you can hear anything going on at the inputs even if no patches are set to input mode. normally the Virus B is not noisy at all. hmmm... strange! after i had heard this noise, i directly checked the input boost, but it was on zero. i didn't check direct thru, but i didn't change any original input-parameters, since i had bought the virus last week. maybe direct thru is turned on originally from the factory... i'll see today evening. hope you are right! thanx, o.I agree with Oli. The B just has a lot more to offer. It really depends on how much you like your Virus. I funk'n love the Virus (B). It is my favorite synth EVER. Upgading was a no brainer for me. If you truely love your Virus, you will wonder how you ever lived without the B. And let me tell you, with the phaser, the pads are like night and day. And 24 bit converters DO make a difference. At least when ran through my 001 (also 24 bit). I could go on about all the ver.3 features. They really do take the virus to the next level. Next comes version 4. Oh my, it just gets better and better. Now if I could just update my unit without crashing my whole system, I would be in heaven... Rick I would not subscribe that : It sounds fatter , i found the A too tiny in sound . There was lacking something . The B has exactly what i searched for (i mean it has 8 more voices , more powerful LFO and FM algoritthms , a 3. osc which makes a big difference and effects that kick ass (no i havent enough high quality effects that i can store with my patch). and it is the model that further updates will be made for , i think you will only get a small update on the A . And you cant compare second hand prices with new gear prices . just my 2 c Oli >my virus b is very new, and i still haven't tried to make a midi-dump, besides i do not have a computer, so i make dumps usually into my korg-workstation. but the dumps are limited to 64kb. can anyone tell my how big a patch-dump of one virus bank is? i also do not understand the funktion "force to edit" by dumping the sounds back into the virus. it's written that this funktion ist good for pre-listening the sounds of an unknown bank,... but how does this work? when i make a midi-dump with all sounds of one bank, what does the virus do, when it's forced to edit??? does it stop after each single sound, or what? each patch consumes a bit less than 300 bytes of SysEx (267 in the 'a', maybe more in the 'b') so 300 bytes x 128 patches == 38,400 bytes, or < 40Kb ... so you should be OK. Although I don't see a need to dump a bank of patches into your workstation ... maybe just the MULTI settings if you're working on a song and you want to keep the settings between sessions. So in this case, you'll be transferring 16 patches and some more data for the multi-specific stuff. either way you're ok. -zsSee there?!? I *knew* this was gonna happen! That's what I'm waiting for...people to dump those old dilapidated, junky, unused, trashy and unwanted Virii B's for those new-fangled, drooled over and dreamed about Indigo's, so I can finally afford a Virus B :) -ron At 09:10 AM 4/19/00, you wrote: not??? Im selling mine...) For 2100 swiss franks its yours . I want the Indigo . Oli BeSchue schrieb: >And you cant compare second hand prices with new gear prices . just my 2 c In this case you have to - because you will hardly find the Virus B as used.... bernhard hi guys.... i finally put some of my tracks online... if some1 is interested plz check www.besonic.com/brom also i found a really good deal for the indigo at www.musicians-gear.com just 3100.-dm ! peace out and happy easter... ; ))) cheerz t@nk3 My stuff is available at www.mp3.com/freon and the Virus Remix Project is available at www.mp3.com/virusVU. My music is mostly techno/trance, and the Virus is the only synth I use, so it obviously features very prominently in my music!! cam >ps ... calling all URLs >mail the list if >you have stuff >available for >listening online > >I'm enjoying what >I've heard so far >(of norsez and >subgenius) > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Hey All, I'm selling my mint condition Akai S5000 sampler for $1500. It includes everything originally from the factory. I will also through in an extra 32 Mb or ram, and pay for shipping. If interested, let me know... Rick Reyes supercow@swbell.netWould be fun if Access would make a CD that is "Get Infected Volume 1" with Canine's "get infected" song as #1, and every song after it is all the great songs you guys have been doing. And every quarter we/they release a new one. Each song's credits would include info as to like where the Virus was or wasn't used. and they could distribute it for their promotional purposes, and at the same time it pushes the Mailing List community. Just a thought cuz there is some really great music out there... Cam/Freon, Zack, SubGenius, FiberOptick, and Norsez come to mind as my personal favorites. Access might prefer to have 100% virus created songs for a demo CD, but I think it would show how well the Virus sits in the real-world situations. I prefer to actually not think of it as a demo CD as much as it is a CD of our community. CD of friends that share a common goal of creating great music, and we are just sharing our fun with those that want it. Good way for people to know the "who's who" of the list as they join up too. James -----Original Message----- From: Cam To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Friday, April 21, 2000 8:33 AM Subject: Re: new song >My stuff is available at www.mp3.com/freon and the Virus Remix Project is available at www.mp3.com/virusVU. My music is mostly techno/trance, and the Virus is the only synth I use, so it obviously features very prominently in my music!! > >cam > > > >>ps ... calling all URLs >>mail the list if >>you have stuff >>available for >>listening online >> >>I'm enjoying what >>I've heard so far >>(of norsez and >>subgenius) >> >> > > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|= > One person I forgot to add to my list of favorites is Marcel Engels. Love that older style too. (faraday is my favorite in this stuff, just wish the entire song was downloadable :-) ) Kintama >Just a thought cuz there is some really great music out there... Cam/Freon, Zack, SubGenius, FiberOptick, and Norsez come to mind as my personal favorites. Hi, IÇm downloading "ambivalent" - I like it - a good trance track.... Greetings from Berlin, Bernhard My stuff is available at www.mp3.com/freon and the Virus Remix Project is available at www.mp3.com/virusVU. My music is mostly techno/trance, and good idea where can i send some tracks ! ? ~ Android 16 Voice Blue Waldorf Q Keyboard for sale for $2200Cool, thanks. Check out Jehannum/Remorse too, it's my favourite. cam At 06:50 PM 4/21/00 +0200, you wrote: >Hi, I«m downloading "ambivalent" - I like it - a good trance track.... Greetings from Berlin, Bernhard My stuff is available at >www.mp3.com/freon and the Virus Remix Project is available at www.mp3.com/virusVU My music is mostly techno/trance, and > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Here are someÊtunes that I did using the VirusÊb and other stuff. I am looking for some friendly criticism :)ÊÊÊÊÊÊ (I only do this as a hobby, so dont be too harsh). http://208.188.80.49/hrfrid.mp3 Yet another . http://208.188.80.49/feedback.mp3 and another .. http://208.188.80.49/dancesun.mp3 and a couple more..... http://208.188.80.49/latethur.mp3 http://208.188.80.49/dramatik.mp3 Thanks, dg Lowell, MA - The birthplace of America's own Jack Kerouac. JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" To: Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:29 AM Subject: anyone in the Boston area? >Hi list, > >I'll be in Boston in may and even play two shows, Providence, RI and Lowell, MA, so if anyone in the area is interested, I would love to get together and get in touch. Just mail me privately. > >Later on I'll be in Portland, OR and possibly even LA. > >Obviously I'll bring my Virus along..... > >think different! > >Canine > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------in the manuel it says there is a saturation button in the filters section.i do not see it do u?? any hints?hi,if i'm not wrong the osc volume(in the mix section)is also the saturation ... On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, luxx wrote: >in the manuel it says there is a saturation button in the filters section.i do not see it do u?? any hints? > this gives some dist effect but if you're using os3.0 you have distortion in the effects menu. On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, luxx wrote: > > >Eli Vaitzman wrote: > >>hi,if i'm not wrong the osc volume(in the mix section)is also the saturation ... >> >>On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, luxx wrote: >> >>>in the manuel it says there is a saturation button in the filters section.i do not see it do u?? any hints? > >is it how u get to the distortion? > >> >>> >>> > At 1:08 PM -0400 on 22.04.2000 luxx wrote: in the manuel it says there is a saturation button in the filters section.i do not see it do u?? any hints? There used to be on the Virus a. It's in the filter section's "edit" button you should look instead. think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Eli Vaitzman wrote: >hi,if i'm not wrong the osc volume(in the mix section)is also the saturation ... > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000, luxx wrote: > >>in the manuel it says there is a saturation button in the filters section.i do not see it do u?? any hints? is it how u get to the distortion? > >> well i just got my virus yesterday so i guess i'll finish reading the manuel.... thanks for the replies btw i have a k2500xs...the virus is just as complicated or should i say complexto not confuse you more , i want to add that there are 2 distortion modules : one is in the effect section , the other is behind filter 1 and can be reached via the filter edit button (even contains a third filter) . Oli (shameless plug : download my soundset on the soundsection of the access page , its called influencia) luxx schrieb: >well i just got my virus yesterday so i guess i'll finish reading the manuel.... >thanks for the replies > >btw i have a k2500xs...the virus is just as complicated or should i say complexthe one in the filter is a saturation function which overdrives the filter output, a little bit diferent than distortion effect Weld Oliver wrote: >to not confuse you more , i want to add that there are 2 distortion modules : >one is in the effect section , the other is behind filter 1 and can be reached via the filter edit >button (even contains a third filter) . > >Oli (shameless plug : download my soundset on the soundsection of the access page , its >called influencia) > >luxx schrieb: > >>well i just got my virus yesterday so i guess i'll finish reading the manuel.... >>thanks for the replies >> >>btw i have a k2500xs...the virus is just as complicated or should i say complexAnd one of my pen pals as a teenager. Wonder what ever happened to her? :) Would love to meet up with ya K.9, but I live in the Metro Detroit area and that's way too far a drive for me. --wasted On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 09:08:16 John E. Potter wrote: >Lowell, MA - The birthplace of America's own Jack Kerouac. > >JP > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" To: >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2000 6:29 AM >Subject: anyone in the Boston area? > > >>Hi list, >> >>I'll be in Boston in may and even play two shows, Providence, RI and Lowell, MA, so if anyone in the area is interested, I would love to get together and get in touch. Just mail me privately. >> >>Later on I'll be in Portland, OR and possibly even LA. >> >>Obviously I'll bring my Virus along..... >> >>think different! >> >>Canine --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.ok maybe your right.. but still..... bigw wrote: >I have a 2500 as well, and the 2500 with is funs, and other hair pulling luxaries is WAY more comlicated that the Virus. Weld >ok maybe your right.. >luxx wrote: > >>well i just got my virus yesterday so i guess i'll finish reading the manuel.... >>thanks for the replies >> >>btw i have a k2500xs...the virus is just as complicated or should i say complexok so i am still early on in the manuel but i cant seem to find ythe distortion saturation with all of its many curves in the filter section.... what do i need a map?i have a juno 106..there is a switch that allows me to flip the envelope upside down for dsome really great rolling effects. can the virus do this?In a message dated 4/22/00 4:19:03 PM, luxx@gru.net writes: >i have a juno 106..there is a switch that allows me to flip the envelope upside down for dsome really great rolling effects. can the virus do this? Yes, if you make the envelop "modulation amount" a negative number. I don't have my Virus handy, so I don't know the exact term Access uses, but I believe that is how it works. -Marshalldoes anyone know why the sample and hald and the sample and glide functions of the a are no longer available for the b?nevermind i found them...i was sent a virus a manuel with my bdid everyone else recieve a virus a manuel with their virus b?>did everyone else recieve a virus a manuel with their virus b? Mine came with a Virus C manual! ;) Hahaha. Just kidding, I got the right manual. Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNwhat kind of wood is used at the ends of the virus?>what kind of wood is used at the ends of the virus? Uhm....synthetic? BWaahahahahahahahaha Hahahaha . Dunno....My Virus D manual says cherry, but that is a wild guess and no, it's not my final answah! ;) Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNa few months ago about ed rushes and opticals sounds.has any got any patches on the web that resemble the ugly gurgling sounds they use?>what kind of wood is used at the ends of the virus? 'Virtual oak ;)anyone has an idea when it's going to be released??? i can't wait no more....It's not the sysex, it's the SIZE. A ten byte parameter change is a lot better than a 260 byte patch dump. MIDI is serial. I found the sysex spec I was looking for. It was hidden on the OS 3.0 download page. You're right. In later mails I did talked about bulk dump sysex. Although What I meant was just that I suggested using sysex. But then came the skepticism in using sysex that dragged the whole topic out to another way. norsez ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com >It's not the sysex, it's the SIZE. A ten byte parameter change is a lot >better than a 260 byte patch dump. MIDI is serial. Have you tried dumping with that size really? I have the timing results of this experiment at the bottom of this page http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comAt 6:55 PM -0400 on 22.04.2000 Marzzz@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 4/22/00 4:19:03 PM, luxx@gru.net writes: >i have a juno 106..there is a switch that allows me to flip the envelope upside down for dsome really great rolling effects. can the virus do this? Yes, if you make the envelop "modulation amount" a negative number. I don't have my Virus handy, so I don't know the exact term Access uses, but I believe that is how it works. -Marshall EnvAmt is a unipolar parameter, so this works a little different: press the Filter section's edit button and scroll until you get to the pages Envelope Polarity, you can set these to positive or negative for each filter individually. that should give you the desired effect. think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi there. I was playing around with "Recycle" and made some Soundfonts (*.sf2-format). 4 those who don«t know: "Recycle" cuts drumloops into several pieces and creates *wav, *.sf2 etc. files. Let«s say it creates 14 pieces: The first one is C1, the second is C#1, the third is D1, ... the fourteenth is C#2. It also creates a midi-file that plays all these parts in the correct timing and order. So when u play the midi-file using the Soundfont, u will hear the original drumloop. Now u can edit the midi file to make new drum-lines. U will see how it works when u check it out. I«ve made 4 sets (*.mid and *.sf2) and uploaded them to http://home.ins.de/~guido.storek/break.zip . The zip-file is 1.112 kb small. The files will stay there until April 30th. Then I change my ISP and they will be deleted. I know - this is off-topic, but maybe it«s inspiering. If u reply to this mail, please don«t change the topic. PMs are welcome, too. have a nice day... Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlIn a message dated 4/22/00 8:43:21 PM, luxx@gru.net writes: >did everyone else recieve a virus a manuel with their virus b? I did but he died in 98. MerkIn a message dated 4/22/00 11:42:18 PM, luxx@gru.net writes: >what kind of wood is used at the ends Try always to use your own wood! MerkHey Merk can we get you a rimshot after those (i made one on the virus) ? : ) Weld Glotox@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/22/00 8:43:21 PM, luxx@gru.net writes: > >>did everyone else recieve a virus a manuel with their virus b? > >I did but he died in 98. > >MerkI did. on 4/22/00 7:49 PM, luxx at luxx@gru.net wrote: >did everyone else recieve a virus a manuel with their virus b? > where do i access the distortion? how do i switch midi channels? thanksu did as in u got a b manuel with your b?Hi there, I own a Virus b and received a manual from the a version, but also a copied and stapled "Virus Software Addendum - Software Version 3.0 for the Virus b/kb" with a green cover with a fractal-picture. I guess you can download the same text in .pdf format from the Access site. The manual came shiped with my virus, wich had the 3.0a installed. In the meanwhile I updated (of course to 3.0b). And yes ... does anyone have a clue when the 4.0 system will be released ? Greetings, Sixten At 23/04/2000, you wrote: u did as in u got a b manuel with your b? To the poor fellow who was wondering... there is currently no full Virus b manual. What you get is a Virus a manual, and an addendum that tells you what is different in the Virus b. Keep in mind that no features have been dropped from the Virus a, features have just been added, and the way you access them has been modified (and simplified!). Cheers, Gabeoliver wrote: >as per definition of sysex a PC is always faster . because in this time >the much bigger file is transmitted , no other midi can go tru the midi >chord (every data is transmitted serial ) So even if you dont notice the difference it will make >your timing worse What you say is true, Oli. And honestly, I am aware of that from the start. That's why you have never see me denying the delay. (You do know that I do a bit MIDI programming.) I originally suggested this as a work around, considering how unusual the original problem was. So I thought an unnoticeable timing shouldn't matter that much. (This reminds me a discussion I had with an analog purist. He said even if the Virus filter didn't sound step. But it was digital so it stepped even if we didn't hear. He was totally correct. But who cares right? As long as it is not noticeable.) Plus I know that no one is going to stick to this sysex trick like a religion anyway, especially that we might even have drum map in the OS 4.0. I still can't believe that my little good intention to contribute to the list could cause such an uncontrollable depressing thread and a long test of my ego. I apologize to the list that I have lengthened this thread like this, partly, to defend myself and my ego. But since I like being here and don't really plan to leave anytime soon, I'd rather make people know who I really am, how I really feel. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comthakyou for straightening that out for me.oh that bites. (sorry this is quite charged stop reading here if you don't want to hear it). all that work goes into making a great interface and it stops half way. The manual is part of the user experience, not just the fine layout of buttons. The user exerpeince starts from the moment we touch the box and start to look at it or unwrap it. (people will start to judge the coolness, seriousness, the company that makes it, and the quality with everything involving a product... especially at first impressions.) The Virus needs a real manual. the first one was sooooo good upto page 29 (for tutorials but then it leaves ya hanging), and to see that it was never updated (outside of those ridculous addendums) upsets me. Sorry, but it's how I feel. I hate looking up something, and then it's wrong. Simply because the most current info was hidden in the damn addendum. All this hard work goes into making a great interface and pretty box, and great sound quality, and then the ball gets dropped on the manual. I LOVE my virus, but as a beginner to all this I NEED a good manual. This is as important to me as the rest of it. I find it is a shame that I use V.V.E. cuz it makes more sense to me to fiddle fart around with, than it does to read the manual to learn (not true tho for the first 29 pages, I learned LOTS in those pages). The first 29 pages are the most valueble to me... I could use a 100 pages of tutorials on how to use every feature... besides it would make it easier for Christoph not have to answer all those questions that the manual could be answering :-) Ok Rant off... ;-) Sorry its just that I care a lot about the Virus and my use/understanding of it, it's the best sound generator I've played with partly due to the fact I have ALOT of fun with it when I use it... but it always breaks down for me by not explaining itself well enough. yes the manual is better than others for the most part, but not good enough, it doesn't reflect the work put into the product. Virus A but it was not updated... the manual is a part of the product, so in my eyes the Virus A was only half updated to the B... the A manual insults the B.... ok that was maybe too charged? :-) I'm starting to get chargy again. I just love this thing to death, and I want to clearly understand that which I love, or I question why I love it if I love without understanding. (deep thought for the morning could be applied to anything in life. LOL). Have Fun all, Kintama PS. It's not often I get upset... And really I'm not TOO upset, I'm just being honest about it all. I am upset yes, but I would say it's justified and appropriate amount of "upsetness" hehe. -----Original Message----- From: Gabe To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Sunday, April 23, 2000 11:08 AM Subject: Manual Confusion >To the poor fellow who was wondering... there is currently no full Virus b manual. What you get is a Virus a manual, and an addendum that tells you what is different in the Virus b. Keep in mind that no features have been dropped from the Virus a, features have just been added, and the way you access them has been modified (and simplified!). > >Cheers, > >Gabe > Wow, well said. Think it's something more could adopt. (myself included at times.) Have Fun, Kintama >I still can't believe that my little good intention to contribute to the list could cause such an uncontrollable depressing thread and a long test of my ego. > >I apologize to the list that I have lengthened this thread like this, partly, to defend myself and my ego. > > >But since I like being here and don't really plan to leave anytime soon, I'd rather make people know who I really am, how I really feel. > >norsez (1) Read the Virus a manual, and the addendum straight through (this is really unpleasant, but now you will have a general idea about exactly what your virus can do) (2) Mess around on the front panel, its really easy to use -- any feature that is related to one of the areas (ie: lfo1, lfo2, oscillators, etc.) will have a dedicated knob or button, or can be accessed by pressing the edit button in that area (after you press edit, just press parameter < or >). If you are wondering whether or not your virus can do something, just page through edit area related to the feature you would like (chances are it is in there!)... (3) Read the manual & addendum again. (4) You're set! As far as subtractive synthesis programming & theory goes... try reading a bunch of back issues of Sound on Sound... you can read them for free at www.sospubs.co.uk ... also, reading manuals for other subtractive synths (even ones you don't own), can often be very informative. You will be pleased to discover that your virus is able to do just about everything you read about. I do agree that it would be nice to have a dedicated virus b manual, but if I had to choose between an updated manual and an updated OS... well, I would rather have the access team work on adding features to the OS!!gabe says... >I do agree that it would be nice to have a dedicated virus b manual, but if I had to choose between an updated manual and an updated OS... well, I would >rather have the access team work on adding features to the OS!! > I would agree, but usually a writer is hired to pick the brains of the developers because developers don't usually write great manuals. If they can, that is cool and great but most times it turns out more like a referance manual (left brain) than something that is more empathic of the user (right brain). I wouldn't want to sacrafice the OS either if it is a case where the programmers are writing the manual. Here's what I'd settle for tho... Take the text of the Virus manual, edit in the changes from the addendums and the addendums to addendums, and save that file out as a text file that could be downloaded. Not a pretty cover, no pictures, not bound, just simply download the text and print it. That way all the text flows linear and is accurate at least. Currently you do have to go through all the addendum stuff and get to know your manuals to know what is bad data and what is good... I don't care to keep that info in my head I want to trust what they say is accurate. I think I have 4 different addendums, some are dated newer than others and one I think is a near duplicate of another that I downloaded for the USA distributor (forgot their name), and sysex addendum too. Just makes it hard to look up a problem. (charged data forthcoming...) It was sad to open up my new Virus and see an addendum waiting for me... simply communicated to me that the product is not refined, and I didn't even get to turn it on to feel this way... my poor Virus had to defend itself from the start. I can see where luxx is frustrated. I plan on getting a Virus B very shortly too, and I'm sad that I don't get a manual with it. Well i do get one with it, but not FOR it :-) We could just as well go read the cool site that SuperNova has on programming, it's only one step away from reading the wrong product manual... an older model's manual for your current product. <--- I know that stings... and hurts me to say it. :-( Keep in mind I do brag about the manual to people that are interested in the Virus, but I make it clear that only the first 29 or so pages are what make it so great, after that it's purely referance, and often times frustrating with the addendums. (guess this would be damning with faint praise) but it's true, the first chunk of that manual is REALLY impressive. I just wish everything in the referance was in some way attached to the tutorials. Jeeze I sound like I'm a jerk haha... I just want a manual that reflects my purchase... or does it? (no of course it doesn't) Have Fun, KintamaIn a message dated 4/23/00 11:40:22 AM, bigw@onbuffalo.com writes: >can we get you a rimshot after those (i made one on the virus) ? : ) Weld > I usually go for the Ronald cowbell but today I can use anything. Merkdo they use a Virus for their bass?? sounds like something through the filters ;/ I luv my Jupiter 8 through the Virus.. checkout my interview and samples of my DnB tunez (with the Virus+JP8) at: www.irishdrumandbass.com Cheers, Alan FrEeFoRmZ freeformz@hotmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: luxx To: access virus Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 5:34 AM Subject: jungle patches >a few months ago about ed rushes and opticals sounds.has any got any patches on the web that resemble the ugly gurgling sounds they use? > I do agree that it is high time for an updated virus manual, after all we are now at version 4.0, and the original printed manual represents what, version 1.0? BUT heres the thing... if Access had been content to leave the feature set static, like Roland or Yamaha do, then the manual would be perfectly up to date (at least for the Virus a)... the reason the manual is inaccurate is because access is constantly adding features to their product (just about every 6 months since the original release it seems), by necessity the manual is going to be out of date almost the moment it is printed. Even if access had released a version 2.52 manual with the Virus b (which was the OS mine had when I bought it), it would have been obsolete by the time I opened the box since OS 3.0 was released a week later. We are now about to receive OS version 4.0, so an updated 3.0 manual would also soon be obsolete. That said, at some point access needs to release an update since wading through 5 addendums borders on ridiculous. My personal prediction is that the release of version 4.0, the Indigo and the rack, will also see the release of a new manual, which will also be available for download as a .pdf file for us existing owners. But again, I have to say, if I had to choose between getting awesome new features added to my synth every 4-6 months, at the expense of having an inaccurate manual (access virus), or instead having an accurate manual accompanied by a synth with a totally static feature set (like the Roland JP8000), I would take the inaccurate manual and dynamic synth OS hands down. Cheers, Gabeplay with different settings on the vocoder i can get it to sound really nice Paddy Ryan wrote: >Just played with mistakes tonight...it's my birthday and I bored my girlfriend to death. Probably in trouble but hey folks...the vocoder DOES NOT DO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DEPEND ON...but it sure fucks shit up nice... I am no longer trying to control it...I have other stuff I can depend on, (VIRUS b included), but with the VOCODER I will just take what it gives me. 39 as we type. > >-----Original Message----- >From: DBDroid@aol.com [SMTP:DBDroid@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:22 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Wicked Virus > >i was at my friends studio last night working on some songs together, among > >some >of his gear was a super-bass station, i was excited to try it, but was so disapointed with it's sounds, my virus A smashes it to lil bits, no offense > >to you bass-station guys ;) i was planning on picking up the keyboard version, but I'm sure it's not even >half as good as the rack, I'm saving instead for a shiny new virus indigo ;) >I can't wait >to have two viruses! anyword on the virus a update? are we dinosars now? >big up Access as always ! >~ Android >Ink Blot RecordsSpeaking of which....my Virus was just a germ packet in a box marked 'BioHazard'. . No really, I bought an Antares ATR-1 autotune box, and guess what, there was not a thing on how to hook it up! So I had to call around and try to get free advice from people at music equipment stores, and finally I realized I needed an INSERT cable, something I did not have and which would have steered me in the right direction from the start. I even called Anatares and they were'nt sure for some reason (they seemed to be understaffed that day). DanSpeaking of Virus manuals, when I purchased my Virus several years ago, it arrived here in the US with a German manual and European power adapter. I think it was version 1.10 or something, and the serial number was in the 400's and Multies did not exist if I remember correctly. After a couple of weeks my Virus wigged out and all the resets in the world would not correct it. Back it went and several weeks later a new one arrived. This one had the correct power supply but no manual. A call to Geoff revealed that the reason I didn't;t receive a manual was that the English manual was still being written. A few months later the PDF was posted and I downloaded it, but never was able to get my hands on an original English manual. By the time I downloaded the manual, I had figured everything out anyway, and I have not looked at the manual yet. Dave i was at my friends studio last night working on some songs together, among some of his gear was a super-bass station, i was excited to try it, but was so disapointed with it's sounds, my virus A smashes it to lil bits, no offense to you bass-station guys ;) i was planning on picking up the keyboard version, but I'm sure it's not even half as good as the rack, I'm saving instead for a shiny new virus indigo ;) I can't wait to have two viruses! anyword on the virus a update? are we dinosars now? big up Access as always ! ~ Android Ink Blot Records I listened to hrfid, and I gotta say that was very damn good. Is that a real guitar being effected, or a very good patch on a synth that sounds like a guitar? If it's a synth patch, is it on the Virus? I'd love to have that patch for my VirusB if it is a Virus patch. I'm into Rock & Metal along with the electronic forms of music, and that will probably be as close to playing an actual guitar as my fat fingers will allow me. Keep up the good work. I need to download and listen to some of your others also. --wasted On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:23:26 dg wrote: >Here are some tunes that I did using the Virus b and other stuff. I am looking for some friendly criticism :) (I only do this as a hobby, so dont be too harsh). > >http://208.188.80.49/hrfrid.mp3 > >Yet another . > >http://208.188.80.49/feedback.mp3 > >and another .. > >http://208.188.80.49/dancesun.mp3 > >and a couple more..... >http://208.188.80.49/latethur.mp3 >http://208.188.80.49/dramatik.mp3 > >Thanks, > >dg > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.Have you tried dumping with that size really? I have the timing results of this experiment at the bottom of this page http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html Yes, norsez, I send sysex all the time, I've been doing it for years, and given a choice between a 260 byte dump and a ten byte parameter change I will take the parameter change every single goddamn time. I don't care if you have an example or not, if I'm doing stuff live and I have several synths running complex sequences on several channels at once I'm going to do everything I can to keep the amount of data going through my MIDI cables as low as possible. You could tell me you've sent a megabyte of sysex without messing up a sixteenth-note sequence and I still wouldn't care. I don't WANT to send sysex dumps. Period. This has nothing to do with the Virus. You could put a DSP capable of one billion instructions per second in the Virus and it wouldn't make sysex dumps go any faster because MIDI STILL RUNS AT THE SAME SPEED. I'm not going over this again. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com You said you didn't see how compressor would be useful in a synth. I did not say this. So I just showed you only one out of infinite ways to use compressor to get more timbres out of a very simple synth architecture. You can do the same kinds of things with good envelopes and (maybe) a touch of distortion. I just said you apparently didn't know how 'a lot' of people were using compressor creatively. So I said it didn't make sense that you claimed 'most' people didn't use it (on synth line) and that it was unnecessary. Most people *don't* use it in this way. If you think otherwise you are greatly underestimating the number of compressors in the world. The vast majority of them are not on synthesizers and are used simply as they were intended, as automatic gain controls. The point of discussing anything at all is for so many things. But to dis one thing to influence Access to put another thing in is not one of them. I disagree. I consider other things more desirable to me. Since I feel that way, I'm going to say so. I also explained nicely the reasons why no killing other wishes would be better for us all. If I get a synth that doesn't address my needs then it isn't good for me at all. I keep writing back and forth just to clarify things. I don't mean to be hostile or trying to control people's minds around here. Fine. Then stop trying to convince me that I shouldn't be "dissing" things. You want to know what *really* kills discussions? Being asked to explain yourself over and over again. I'm getting very tired of repeating myself, and I really have no interest in continuing this conversation. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com snipped Robert Tygers needless public reaming... >I'm not going over this again. Good. You are entitled to no like his ideas, but attacking individuals is not tolerated on the list. KintamaThanks !!! Well the simulated guitar is a combination of a patch on the Virus b and a Roland JP8080 playing the same notes simultaneously with a little modwheel on the JP thrown in for effect, there were no guitars used. The basslike part and the pads are all the virus b. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wasted" To: Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 10:23 PM Subject: Re: Some more songs >I listened to hrfid, and I gotta say that was very damn good. Is that a real guitar being effected, or a very good patch on a synth that sounds like a guitar? If it's a synth patch, is it on the Virus? I'd love to have that patch for my VirusB if it is a Virus patch. I'm into Rock & Metal along with the electronic forms of music, and that will probably be as close to playing an actual guitar as my fat fingers will allow me. Keep up the good work. I need to download and listen to some of your others also. > >--wasted > >On Sat, 22 Apr 2000 00:23:26 dg wrote: >>Here are some tunes that I did using the Virus b and other stuff. I am looking for some friendly criticism :) (I only do this as a hobby, so dont be too harsh). >> >>http://208.188.80.49/hrfrid.mp3 >> >>Yet another . >> >>http://208.188.80.49/feedback.mp3 >> >>and another .. >> >>http://208.188.80.49/dancesun.mp3 >> >>and a couple more..... >>http://208.188.80.49/latethur.mp3 >>http://208.188.80.49/dramatik.mp3 >> >>Thanks, >> >>dg >> > > >--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Before you buy.Just played with mistakes tonight...it's my birthday and I bored my girlfriend to death. Probably in trouble but hey folks...the vocoder DOES NOT DO ANYTHING THAT YOU CAN DEPEND ON...but it sure fucks shit up nice... I am no longer trying to control it...I have other stuff I can depend on, (VIRUS b included), but with the VOCODER I will just take what it gives me. 39 as we type. -----Original Message----- From: DBDroid@aol.com [SMTP:DBDroid@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 6:22 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Wicked Virus i was at my friends studio last night working on some songs together, among some of his gear was a super-bass station, i was excited to try it, but was so disapointed with it's sounds, my virus A smashes it to lil bits, no offense to you bass-station guys ;) i was planning on picking up the keyboard version, but I'm sure it's not even half as good as the rack, I'm saving instead for a shiny new virus indigo ;) I can't wait to have two viruses! anyword on the virus a update? are we dinosars now? big up Access as always ! ~ Android Ink Blot RecordsSTOP!!!!! And luxx, never ever send eleven postings in one day again please!!! Christ, can you folks please behave? I may quit because of a few's very bad etiquette...ring mod instead...! -----Original Message----- From: Robert Tygers [SMTP:robotchas@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, April 23, 2000 9:26 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Let's not counter-wish, please :~) >You said you didn't see how compressor would be useful in a synth. I did not say this. >So I just >showed you only one out of infinite ways to use compressor to get more >timbres out of a very simple synth architecture. You can do the same kinds of things with good envelopes and (maybe) a touch of distortion. >I just said you apparently >didn't know how 'a lot' >of people were using compressor creatively. So I said it didn't make sense >that you claimed 'most' people didn't use it (on synth line) and that it was unnecessary. Most people *don't* use it in this way. If you think otherwise you are greatly underestimating the number of compressors in the world. The vast majority of them are not on synthesizers and are used simply as they were intended, as automatic gain controls. >The point of discussing anything at all is for so many things. But to dis one thing to >influence Access to put another thing in is not one of them. I disagree. I consider other things more desirable to me. Since I feel that way, I'm going to say so. >I also explained nicely the reasons why no killing other wishes would be better for us all. If I get a synth that doesn't address my needs then it isn't good for me at all. >I keep writing back and forth just to clarify things. >I don't mean to be hostile or trying to control people's minds around here. Fine. Then stop trying to convince me that I shouldn't be "dissing" things. You want to know what *really* kills discussions? Being asked to explain yourself over and over again. I'm getting very tired of repeating myself, and I really have no interest in continuing this conversation. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com>I still can't believe that my little good intention to contribute to the list could cause such an uncontrollable depressing thread and a long test of my ego. I've found the same thing. Seemingly benign statements somehow blow up into these huge religious debates. I've kept a bit quiet lately because of this reason ... I don't have (and don't want to have) the mental resources to defend a viewpoint or a statement (which is generally of little REAL consequence) to people, informed and uninformed, around the world. -zs... and for those of you with Akai samplers, there is (was?) a program called 'Millennium' that's a nice computer-editor for the sampler, plus it includes a very nice 'recycle' type feature. It works thru SCSI too. Anyhow, if you are interested and can't find the program, email me privately and I'll tell you where you can get it. -zs On 00-04-23 16:56, Guido Storek wrote: >Hi there. > >I was playing around with "Recycle" and made some Soundfonts (*.sf2-format). > >4 those who don«t know: >"Recycle" cuts drumloops into several pieces and creates *wav, *.sf2 etc. files. Let«s say it creates 14 pieces: The first one is C1, the second is C#1, the third is D1, ... the fourteenth is C#2. It also creates a midi-file that plays all these parts in the correct timing and order. So when u play the midi-file using the Soundfont, u will hear the original drumloop. Now u can edit the midi file to make new drum-lines. U will see how it works when u check it out. > >I«ve made 4 sets (*.mid and *.sf2) and uploaded them to http://home.ins.de/~guido.storek/break.zip . The zip-file is 1.112 kb small. The files will stay there until April 30th. Then I change my ISP and they will be deleted. > >I know - this is off-topic, but maybe it«s inspiering. If u reply to this mail, please don«t change the topic. PMs are welcome, too. > >have a nice day... >Guido > >-- >About me, my music and my sports: >http://Tao7.tripod.com >My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.html > Does anyone know if the output of the Virus is -10db or +4db?Manual, shmanual. Lux needs to know were is Manuel! Merk>Manual, shmanual. >Lux needs to know were is Manuel! > > > >Merk That's funny, My Virus did not come with a Manuel, but dang if Manuel did not have a Virus WOOOwweeee! Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNI prefer emmanuele ! : ) where MY rimshot! : ) weld Dan The Burke wrote: >>Manual, shmanual. >>Lux needs to know were is Manuel! >> >> >> >>Merk > >That's funny, My Virus did not come with a Manuel, but dang if Manuel did not have a Virus WOOOwweeee! > >Dan The Burke >WwW.BurkeStudios.com >WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNIn case you're interested.... I received a note back from the Access distributor for the US this morning and he indicated the Indigo was 3 or 4 months off for the US. JPZon Plyes reviews the virus kbd in the newest issue of U.S. keys. he likes it alot, and paticulialy mention some of Rob .P's tasty patches in the review! Best WEld P.s. I think Zon sold his virus a bit back for quasimidi piece, wonder if hes thinking twice now : )Anyone out there seen Tuareg from www.brambos.com (The writer of stuff like Hammerhead...)? I was quite surprised to see that him and Niel (From Wavesurgeon) is working together. What an interesting idea, opening and editing loops from within Möbius (For those who don't know, this is the new release of Wavesurgeon available at www.wavesurgeon.co.uk) and then doing the absolute BOMB with it in Tuareg!!! I think that anyone with a sampler, creating loops (Or paying for them) needs these tools. I can't wait for my A4000 (to be delivered from www.soundonsound.com over the next couple of days) to start pumping the loops I created with Tuareg into my music. IT KICKS!!! cyber7 (aka Aubrey) ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaMake your own loops... "cyber7 (aka Aubrey)" wrote: >Anyone out there seen Tuareg from www.brambos.com (The writer of stuff like Hammerhead...)? I was quite surprised to see that him and Niel (From Wavesurgeon) is working together. What an interesting idea, opening and editing loops from within Mšbius (For those who don't know, this is the new release of Wavesurgeon available at www.wavesurgeon.co.uk) and then doing the absolute BOMB with it in Tuareg!!! > >I think that anyone with a sampler, creating loops (Or paying for them) needs these tools. I can't wait for my A4000 (to be delivered from www.soundonsound.com over the next couple of days) to start pumping the loops I created with Tuareg into my music. > >IT KICKS!!! > >cyber7 (aka Aubrey) > >----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** >http://go.to/cyber7 >(alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) >http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 >mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za >******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! >http://www.mighty.co.za>Make your own loops... Amen brotha!! (breakbeat loop pun intended).Ant idea How one might track Millenium down? ----- Original Message ----- From: Zack Steinkamp To: Sent: Monday, April 24, 2000 12:54 PM Subject: Re: off topic - but some nice stuff to play with >... and for those of you with Akai samplers, there is (was?) a program called 'Millennium' that's a nice computer-editor for the sampler, plus it includes a very nice 'recycle' type feature. > >It works thru SCSI too. > >Anyhow, if you are interested and can't find the program, email me privately and I'll tell you where you can get it. > >-zs > >On 00-04-23 16:56, Guido Storek wrote: >>Hi there. >> >>I was playing around with "Recycle" and made some Soundfonts (*.sf2-format). >> >>4 those who don«t know: >>"Recycle" cuts drumloops into several pieces and creates *wav, *.sf2 etc. files. Let«s say it creates 14 pieces: The first one is C1, the second is C#1, the third is D1, ... the fourteenth is C#2. It also creates a midi-file that plays all these parts in the correct timing and order. So when u play the midi-file using the Soundfont, u will hear the original drumloop. Now u can edit the midi file to make new drum-lines. U will see how it works when u check it out. >> >>I«ve made 4 sets (*.mid and *.sf2) and uploaded them to http://home.ins.de/~guido.storek/break.zip . The zip-file is 1.112 kb small. The files will stay there until April 30th. Then I change my ISP and they will be deleted. >> >>I know - this is off-topic, but maybe it«s inspiering. If u reply to this mail, please don«t change the topic. PMs are welcome, too. >> >>have a nice day... >>Guido >> >>-- >>About me, my music and my sports: >>http://Tao7.tripod.com >>My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.html >> >> > >>>zs@yahoo-inc.com 04/20 7:35 >>> >each patch consumes a bit less than 300 bytes of SysEx (267 in the 'a', maybe more in the 'b') >so 300 bytes x 128 patches == 38,400 bytes, or < 40Kb ... so you should be OK. >Although I don't see a need to dump a bank of patches into your workstation ... maybe just the >MULTI settings if you're working on a song and you want to keep the settings between sessions. >So in this case, you'll be transferring 16 patches and some more data for the multi-specific stuff. yeah, you are right, that i don't need to dump the whole bank, but when i dump only one multi-setting, does the virus also dump the used patches? in the manual it's written that the multis only refer to the patches, the patches are not really "saved" within the multi. besides how will i do when i have a multi with 16 parts, but i want to change programs within the multi? in this case i have to dump also the whole bank in which the parts are saved, haven't i? but still i do not understand the funktion "force to edit"? how does this work? thanx, regards, o.hehehe hell yeah!! break em off some!!! Sampling CD's loops are 4 suckaz. us breakbeat terrorists make our own. Painting my Virus camo, mattMy virus has no noise I am using the latest os I believe os3.0a and not very noisy "K.9 Kai Niggemann" wrote: >At 1:51 PM +0200 on 25.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: >> >>now i recorded two short tracks that demonstrate how big the noise-level of the virus is, in comparison to the nordlead. if you are interested i could send you tomorrow 2 short mp3-files that have together about 250kb. is this too big for this mailing list? one track shows the noise level of my mixer together with nordlead, and the second track shows the mixer with virus. and you will see that the noise level of the virus is more than 2 times louder than the nordlead. for an instrument of this price, the noise-level is much too loud. even my sound canvas is not that loud! > >Well I can't remember exactly what that problem was about. To me it still sounds like the vocoder is turned on, because that's what it does, it switches itself off when not in use to save voices, that eliminates any noise that comes through the inputs. > >Which OS are you using again? Maybe this is a fixed bug? I am on 3.0a on the Virus kb and 2.52 on the Virus a. > >>i don't understand how you can say that the virus is not noisy at all? > >Well I am sorry but this is what I am experiencing. There is no need to send the files, I absolutely believe you, but all I can tell you is that my Virus kb has one of the lowest noise levels of all my instruments. > >I don't mean to sound rude or overly euphoric or bribed or..., it's just that my experience is like that.. > >Have you tried these things: > >- reset the Virus (press LFO1 shape during turning on the virus) - set the virus to single mode. noise still there? - tried the other outputs? are they noisy too? - tried different cables? maybe they are causing the trouble? - set all 16 parts to some preset program (C0 Overture for example). Still noisy? > >please don't take these suggestions as an insult, they are meant far from that, Just trying to get you on a different track, in case you have overlooked something. Happens to me all the time.... > >alles gute..! > >think different! > >Canine > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. >but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------Hi. A new synth: http://www.consequence-net.de/sage.html Kintama, >Good. You are entitled to no like his ideas, but attacking individuals is not tolerated on the list. That's not an attack, it's an appropriate response for someone who comes back to disagree repeatedly, without any facts or information which might help clarify the issue. Now Norsez says he is sad about the thread, and was just defending his ego. Hello! We never wanted to talk about his ego, *his* bad manners *brought* that in when he started telling experienced people they didn't know what they were talking about. I know people may not understand this (fairly simple) explanation. But it won't be because I didn't explain it... Cheers, Thomashi all, i know i've only just joined the list, and well maybe i should keep my nose out of it. but any thread that ends up like this should have been dropped a long time ago. this thread was going when i joined the list a few weeks back. if you haven't agreed by now your not going to. regards, james. >>Good. You are entitled to no like his ideas, but attacking >individuals >>is not tolerated on the list. > >That's not an attack, it's an appropriate response for someone who comes >back to disagree repeatedly, without any facts or information which might >help clarify the issue. > >Now Norsez says he is sad about the thread, and was just defending his ego. >Hello! We never wanted to talk about his ego, *his* bad manners *brought* >that in when he started telling experienced people they didn't know what >they were talking about. > >I know people may not understand this (fairly simple) explanation. But it >won't be because I didn't explain it... > > >Cheers, >Thomas > >>>canine@muenster.de 04/20 1:21 >>> At 12:07 PM +0200 on 20.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: >Please check the "input Boost" parameter. If this is turned up, the Virus will make a lot of noise even when there is nothing connected to the Input. >Also see if the "Direct Thru" parameter (also in the input section under EFX) is turned up. Then you can hear anything going on at the inputs even if no patches are set to input mode. >normally the Virus B is not noisy at all. i checked everything again, but none of these parameters was turned on. even if i turn on direct thru the noise level becomes a bit softer. now i recorded two short tracks that demonstrate how big the noise-level of the virus is, in comparison to the nordlead. if you are interested i could send you tomorrow 2 short mp3-files that have together about 250kb. is this too big for this mailing list? one track shows the noise level of my mixer together with nordlead, and the second track shows the mixer with virus. and you will see that the noise level of the virus is more than 2 times louder than the nordlead. for an instrument of this price, the noise-level is much too loud. even my sound canvas is not that loud! i don't understand how you can say that the virus is not noisy at all? best regards, o.Envelope Generator (12:35 PM 04.25.2000) wrote: Hi. A new synth: http://www.consequence-net.de/sage.html This "machine" has been the point of a good sized discussion on a number of lists. The bottom line is that no one has seen it, no one can find Bahn on the net, Bahn was nowhere to be found at the Frankfurt show, no one can find a real reference to this reverb that Bahn supposedly has, ... There are a number of issues with those pics and the "ad". The latest one I've seen mentioned is that if you look carefully at the ad on the top, it's clear that there is text bleed-through from an article on the back. With a little bit of Photoshop magic, you can tell that it's a review of the Ensoniq Paris. The problem with this, is that the text is VERY clear - seemingly too clear for normal magazine paper stock. The largest discussion that I've seen to date is on the The Gas Station: http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Thread_ID=26636&LastDays=7 Bottom line - until someone sees this thing in person, or someone can ID the magazine that this came from, and come up with a real reference, then I think this is looking like very good fake. But, it would be a lot of fun to be shown wrong. :) Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com I would just like to add that my virus-b is horribly noisy too. I'm still fighting with guitar center for a refund. It has the "noise-gate" problem that someone described some months ago. It will be perfectly quiet and then when you start to play it is VERY noisy and then the noise stops after a minute of non-playing. I've tried the below as well - no fix. ---- Original Message ----- From: Olaf Lubanski To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 6:51 AM Subject: Antw: Re: noise level >>>canine@muenster.de 04/20 1:21 >>> At 12:07 PM +0200 on 20.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: >Please check the "input Boost" parameter. If this is turned up, the Virus will make a lot of noise even when there is nothing connected to the Input. >Also see if the "Direct Thru" parameter (also in the input section under EFX) is turned up. Then you can hear anything going on at the inputs even if no patches are set to input mode. >normally the Virus B is not noisy at all. i checked everything again, but none of these parameters was turned on. even if i turn on direct thru the noise level becomes a bit softer. now i recorded two short tracks that demonstrate how big the noise-level of the virus is, in comparison to the nordlead. if you are interested i could send you tomorrow 2 short mp3-files that have together about 250kb. is this too big for this mailing list? one track shows the noise level of my mixer together with nordlead, and the second track shows the mixer with virus. and you will see that the noise level of the virus is more than 2 times louder than the nordlead. for an instrument of this price, the noise-level is much too loud. even my sound canvas is not that loud! i don't understand how you can say that the virus is not noisy at all?From: Olaf Lubanski but still i do not understand the funktion "force to edit"? how does this work? thanx, regards, o. Hi Olaf, It's my understanding that anytime you use a patch it moves it to the "edit buffer" where you tweek and modify... it does that automatically so that your not modifying the one that is saved. And if you like your tweaking you can save that and it puts it into the memory location for saved patches. If you start with the init patch to create a patch you eventually have to save it somewhere as your new patch. The original init patch is unchanged and you have your new patch saved in a new location. But before it was ever saved it was in the edit buffer. If you load a patch from your sequencer or front end into the edit buffer it gives you a place to test it out without having to save it on top of your good patches incase you don't like it. This is my understanding of it, I could be wrong. Have Fun, KintamaNo Thomas this has no longer any relevance to the original issue. It's purely turned into attacking him. It's easy for me to see, simply because I hardly understand the original issue.... crap I haven't yet anything to do with sysex as I'm still learning to make decent patches haha... Anyway back to the point, you attacked him here again after you just said "this is not an attack". (And my saying this is not meant to be an attack at you either.) The attack is the charge that you have. You didn't just deliver data, you tainted it with your feelings about him as you delivered the data, so now we have to do this extra work to sort out the data from your emotion. And maybe some people can't do that so then they start to either have problems with you, or with Norsez, and that's not good for the community or you guys. Look at the value of what Norsez has to offer the list rather than belittle him. A 4 inch glass with 2 inches of water is what? I like to think it's half full. Learn to recognise the value in everything or everything will look "half empty" to you. The ego is the only part of us that is concerned with non-point issues like being right or wrong, the spirit is where it's at... it just wants to help others. This thing about his ego was basically similar to what you are doing right now. Your responding only because your ego will not drop this issue. (as this appears to me) Your ego wants you to be right, and is controlling you to behave this way. As his ego was doing that. Then he realised that he didn't want his ego to controll him and knowing that he is stronger than his own ego (the spirit lives on, but the ego doesn't when you pass away according to some people) he was able to just drop it. You'll notice that he let you guys go on and on about it for a few days without 'defending' anything that was negative or 'siding up' with anything positive. He remained detached. I believe that was because he was in control of his ego. Right now as I type this I can admit that I'm having a difficult time with making sure that I'm saying things in a way that empowers you (and anyone that reads this) to do the right thing, and not to send any attacks. When we can master that, then we win and the list (and our lives) will improve. (When I say we, I am including myself in this). You'll notice that I give a warning that my data is charged when I'm about to say it. The last thing I want is to covertly or overtly slip somone some bad magic that will bother them later and that will come back on me... I believe in the ripple effect of droping a stone in the water (represents our actions/interactions) and that stone produces a ring of ripples in the container. The container is oddly shaped (as our reality is) and so when the ripples go out part of the ring of ripples hits the first edge fo the container and start to come back. if you sent out bad magic, you'll get it coming back. And since the container is oddly shaped they will comeback for a long time. I would recommend every action and interaction you do, that you choose it to be a good one (good is relative, just make your intent pure and your ok.) so you get good things coming back. The edge of the container is people in our reality. And the fact they send back bad ripples will cause them to also recieve them back... so you see one stone that has ill-intent in it will not only come back at you, but has the potential to set off others to create an escillating situation. This message is a ripple returning that would not have been written otherwise.... and the cycle of this ripple if off 180 degrees which means it should be disarming some of the charge of the other ripples in this container. In this message what I see is your intent was again to slam Norsez. Even if you have an ounce of truth in it, you seemingly used it as a vehicle to attack him. (this is an example of what I'm talking about, it's not meant as an attack.) I use the word "you" loosely. The message I'm replying to was addressed to me from you, but others can benefit from this interaction to make a the Access-List better. The greatness and value of this list will only be limited by ourselves. Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Whitmore <thomasw@trade-exchange.co.nz> To: access-list@teklab.com <access-list@teklab.com>; Kintama <kintama@jps.net> Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 4:26 AM Subject: Re: sysex patch change >Kintama, > >>Good. You are entitled to no like his ideas, but attacking individuals is not tolerated on the list. > >That's not an attack, it's an appropriate response for someone who comes back to disagree repeatedly, without any facts or information which might help clarify the issue. > >Now Norsez says he is sad about the thread, and was just defending his ego. Hello! We never wanted to talk about his ego, *his* bad manners *brought* that in when he started telling experienced people they didn't know what they were talking about. > >I know people may not understand this (fairly simple) explanation. But it won't be because I didn't explain it... > > >Cheers, >Thomas > > this is my blah blah blah, don't read on if your looking for relavent info.... Well if that is a photoshop/3D hack I want to offer that guy a fulltime job doing graphics! I think it is real. In regards to the text... the text is a blurry as the knobs/details on the synth. Also the ghosted text is reversed in the back as if the scaner's light was picking up thru a page as if it really was printed in a magazine (which happens when you copy/scan a thin page). I think it is real.... now if its of quality, it ships, and if the company is real about what it says, that is a whole nother issue. :-) The cost (time and resources) it would take to put that ad together rules out the idea that someone did it for fun. Maybe it's another company that is trying to 'lock' the market up with expectations to buy this, and then they (Bahn) conveniently announce that this Bahn-Sage was cancelled, and the company behind it all announces that they have their new synth available so everyone that was so eager to spend a chunk of change will jump on the newly announced product.... conspiracy theory. hehe. Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pulver To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 7:33 AM Subject: Re: BAHN SAGE >Envelope Generator (12:35 PM 04.25.2000) wrote: > > >>Hi. >>A new synth: >>http://www.consequence-net.de/sag e.html > >This "machine" has been the point of a good sized discussion on a number of lists. > >The bottom line is that no one has seen it, no one can find Bahn on the net, Bahn was nowhere to be found at the Frankfurt show, no one can find a real reference to this reverb that Bahn supposedly has, ... > >There are a number of issues with those pics and the "ad". The latest one I've seen mentioned is that if you look carefully at the ad on the top, it's clear that there is text bleed-through from an article on the back. With a little bit of Photoshop magic, you can tell that it's a review of the Ensoniq Paris. > >The problem with this, is that the text is VERY clear - seemingly too clear for normal magazine paper stock. > >The largest discussion that I've seen to date is on the The Gas Station: > >http://www.the-gas-station.com/messages.cfm?Thread_ID=26636&LastDays=7 > > >Bottom line - until someone sees this thing in person, or someone can ID the magazine that this came from, and come up with a real reference, then I think this is looking like very good fake. > >But, it would be a lot of fun to be shown wrong. :) > > >Mark > >________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com > loops are wack!!!!!! nuff said ~droidI must admit every theory I heared from you guys until now makes sense. My first thought was : "ok ... the picture is toooo realistic to be made in photoshop, but maybe it's an empty box, constructed by a model-hobbyist, with knobs and stuff he perhaps used from old crappy, 5nd hand synths. After constructing the synth he took a picture of it and made up a nice technical sheet (ok ... the guys knows what he's talking about ... that's for sure). " And yeah ... most probably he constructed the technical sheet and all in photoshop or so. He really made a nice thing. I'd almost be tempted to buy the damn thing :) Sixten sorry ... it's me again ... Just to tell you in brief : To me it's someone who wants to launch a really founded practical hoax, and made it THAT realistic, spend hours and hours in is workshop to assemble the front, so you really wouldn't believe it's a hoax. Congrats to the person who made it up !!!!!! SUBREACT@aol.com wrote: >Sampling CD's loops are 4 suckaz. us >breakbeat terrorists make our own. > >Painting my Virus camo, >matt But aren't these loops simply made from other's loops, only chopped up and processed in various ways? There is little original material; just a rearrangement of the beats, right? Perhaps your point is such that pre-packaged loops are for suckaz, but using these loops to build one's own loops is fine? Bottom-line: When an entire song is based simply on a loop we've all heard for years, used in a highly predictable manner, this is booring. When an already over-used loop is given a shot of innovation, this is great. Finally, a new loop/beat used in an innovative manner is the best. Ciao, DanYes, and bandwidth is so damn expensive these days! Tony Scharf wrote: >and by wasting all this bandwidth on it..we are all playing right into his hands... > >-----Original Message----- >From: Sixten [mailto:sixten.tollet@advalvas.be] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:34 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: BAHN SAGE.... warning not too relavent > >I must admit every theory I heared from you guys until now makes sense. My first thought was : > >"ok ... the picture is toooo realistic to be made in photoshop, but maybe it's an empty box, constructed by a model-hobbyist, with knobs and stuff he perhaps used from old crappy, 5nd hand synths. After constructing the synth he took a picture of it and made up a nice technical sheet (ok ... the guys knows what he's talking about ... that's for sure). " > >And yeah ... most probably he constructed the technical sheet and all in photoshop or so. >He really made a nice thing. I'd almost be tempted to buy the damn thing :) > >SixtenSo, does your dummer have trouble keeping up at 160 or so bpm? Don't you just hate it when they drift out of sync with your sequencer? That, and their stupid trap takes up a huge chunk of space in the studio. Dan DBDroid@aol.com wrote: >loops are wack!!!!!! >nuff said >~droidDuring which era/doctor? There are about three or four different versions of this in addition to the version the Jams did. Dan Jay Vaughan wrote: >While we're on the subject (and what a great subject it is), has anyone any tips on how to create that wonderful wooshing "Dr. Who" sound on the Virus? > >You know, the intro effect? I've wanted to recreate that sound for a long time, but never really got around to it... > >j. > >At 11:21 PM 04/25/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hello all, a couple of things really... >> >>Can anyone mail me this patch - Tubee.mid Patch TB-30H3 - I read about it on the archives at Canine's site before I got my Virus. >> >>Has anyone any tips on making decent 303 like sounds from scratch. >> >>Plus one maybe for the specialists! How about a Mentasm sound (or hoover sound as some people call it) as featured on Human Resource's Dominator track from a while back (ummm like almost 10 years!), find that sound very interesting and would like to have a play without buying a Roland Alpha Juno 106 (!!??) whatever it was that had the original preset. >> >>Also if anyone knows of any general links on the web about synthesizing sounds I would appreciate them! >> >>Thanks in anticipation >> >>Ez > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.htmland by wasting all this bandwidth on it..we are all playing right into his hands... -----Original Message----- From: Sixten [mailto:sixten.tollet@advalvas.be] Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 12:34 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: BAHN SAGE.... warning not too relavent I must admit every theory I heared from you guys until now makes sense. My first thought was : "ok ... the picture is toooo realistic to be made in photoshop, but maybe it's an empty box, constructed by a model-hobbyist, with knobs and stuff he perhaps used from old crappy, 5nd hand synths. After constructing the synth he took a picture of it and made up a nice technical sheet (ok ... the guys knows what he's talking about ... that's for sure). " And yeah ... most probably he constructed the technical sheet and all in photoshop or so. He really made a nice thing. I'd almost be tempted to buy the damn thing :) SixtenIn a message dated 4/24/00 6:47:52 PM, jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com writes: >he indicated the Indigo was 3 or 4 months off for the US. What is virus indigo? Is it a pink virus? MerkTalking about mysterious synths has any list member had the opportunity to play a JoMoX SunSyn? Merknah ... it's not wast of bandwidth. It's wast if nobody has fun with it, but it seems this guy really has got some of us hooked to this rather mysterious fact. It's like a puzzle that must be solved. And you must at least admit : if it real ... it's a good campain, if it's fake ... it's masterly. But ok, I can understand this thread is annoying some of us, so you won't hear about it from me again. Sixten could u please give me instructions on how to access the vocoder.the addendum isnt helping me at all. thanksGlotox@aol.com (02:32 PM 04.25.2000) wrote: >Talking about mysterious synths has any list member had the opportunity to play a JoMoX SunSyn? I played with one at Winter NAMM. It's a very unique sounding machine. It cuts and it kicks... What they did with the oscillators is truly unique and something to be played with. btw, you were also asking about the Indigo: http://www.access-music.de/mmnews_index.html Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com the manual with the addendum f***ing suck! it doesnt explain shit about the vocoder. input follower??in l,inr,,aux2,illegal!,what the fuck wheres the individual explanations? the manual started off really well then it turned into total shit. what virus u fire the manual writers halfway through the making? great synth badd manual. by the way i finally figured out i was spelling manual wrong:^)In a message dated 4/25/00 12:51:11 PM, kintama@jps.net writes: >the spirit is where it's > >at... it just wants to help others. I was thinking if you have bad friends, are they your enemy? And if you have no enemies do you have any friends? With friends like these who needs enemies? If you focus too hard on one facet of things you can't truly explore the road ahead or behind. If you think that a community or 2 individuals are going to carry on nice just for your plesant nirvana I am sorry to inform you that you are bound for dissapointment. Conflict is in most ways a force that modulates life. Eg: maybe one of these 2 persons might get so upset and leave the list, maybe sell their Virus and buy a diferent instrument or quit music and become a pimp like IceT. I like sysex dumps but I wouldn't do it live. Murk ps: how come the adds say the outputs on the Virus kb are 24bit? and now you say the Virus output is dirty like a SidStation? MerkAt 1:51 PM +0200 on 25.04.2000 Olaf Lubanski wrote: now i recorded two short tracks that demonstrate how big the noise-level of the virus is, in comparison to the nordlead. if you are interested i could send you tomorrow 2 short mp3-files that have together about 250kb. is this too big for this mailing list? one track shows the noise level of my mixer together with nordlead, and the second track shows the mixer with virus. and you will see that the noise level of the virus is more than 2 times louder than the nordlead. for an instrument of this price, the noise-level is much too loud. even my sound canvas is not that loud! Well I can't remember exactly what that problem was about. To me it still sounds like the vocoder is turned on, because that's what it does, it switches itself off when not in use to save voices, that eliminates any noise that comes through the inputs. Which OS are you using again? Maybe this is a fixed bug? I am on 3.0a on the Virus kb and 2.52 on the Virus a. i don't understand how you can say that the virus is not noisy at all? Well I am sorry but this is what I am experiencing. There is no need to send the files, I absolutely believe you, but all I can tell you is that my Virus kb has one of the lowest noise levels of all my instruments. I don't mean to sound rude or overly euphoric or bribed or..., it's just that my experience is like that.. Have you tried these things: - reset the Virus (press LFO1 shape during turning on the virus) - set the virus to single mode. noise still there? - tried the other outputs? are they noisy too? - tried different cables? maybe they are causing the trouble? - set all 16 parts to some preset program (C0 Overture for example). Still noisy? please don't take these suggestions as an insult, they are meant far from that, Just trying to get you on a different track, in case you have overlooked something. Happens to me all the time.... alles gute..! think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Talking about mysterious synths has any list member had the opportunity to play a JoMoX SunSyn? Yes, very nice synth! Well laid-out modulation matrix, powerful filters etc etc... but... no multi mode yet and no RCO's yet.... :-( Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejaysin the manual it's written that the multis only refer to the >patches, the patches are not really "saved" within the multi. This is correct. besides how will i do when i have a multi with 16 parts, but i want >to change programs within the multi? in this case i have to dump also >the whole bank in which the parts are saved, haven't i? Not if those patches are already in the virus in the same places they were when you saved the multi. You can dump an Arrangement (see manual), you can use Program Changes, or you can use sysex parameter changes to change the individual parts in the multi directly. See the recent annoying thread on this very topic, look for the post from Cristoph. but still i do not understand the funktion "force to edit"? how does this work? Means "force patches to load into the edit buffer". If you dump a bank with this turned on, each patch in the bank will replace the previous patch in the edit buffer, instead of being saved over the patches in your Virus. If you dump a bank slowly you can audition each patch in turn (and save the ones you like). ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com I'm aware that Norsez meant well. But badgering me over and over again because I have a contrary opinion doesn't help me. Insisting that I try a solution I've already determined will not work for me does not help me. And continuing this argument doesn't help anyone, so let's all move on. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com I would just like to add that my virus-b is horribly noisy too. I'm still fighting with guitar center for a refund. It has the "noise-gate" problem that someone described some months ago. It will be perfectly quiet and then when you start to play it is VERY noisy and then the noise stops after a minute of non-playing. I've tried the below as well - no fix. Strange. Mine is very quiet, like K9's. I agree with him about the vocoder being the most likely cause, since you say it takes a minute for the noise to go away after you stop playing. Try his suggestions if you haven't already. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com I had noise really strange noise problems. It happened after trying to load some of you's guys' stupid patches via midi. On a hunch I reloaded the OS and the factory soundbanks, and voila! Noise cured! give it a try, adrian http://www.bmwusa.com/previews/ny_autoshow/imgs/m3_2.jpg * -----Original Message----- * From: Robert Tygers [mailto:robotchas@hotmail.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:42 PM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Re: Noisy Virus * * * >I would just like to add that my virus-b is horribly noisy * too. I'm still * >fighting with guitar center for a refund. * > * >It has the "noise-gate" problem that someone described some months * >ago. It will be perfectly quiet and then when you start to play it is * >VERY noisy and then the noise stops after a minute of non-playing. * > * >I've tried the below as well - no fix. * * Strange. Mine is very quiet, like K9's. I agree with him * about the vocoder * being the most likely cause, since you say it takes a minute * for the noise * to go away after you stop playing. Try his suggestions if you haven't * already. * ______________________________________________________________ * __________ * Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.comRobert, I didn't badger you. If you ever read my posts carefully, I would know what my intention really was and what I was trying to say. Originally, I just thought I'd suggest you a work around because it might make you happy that you could do some listtle thing you wanted to do. Then you said it wouldn't work because of the timing. So from this point on, my posts were not meant to insist that you used my little trick. But to prove to you that that noticeable timing you were afraid of were over worrying (of course, provided that it was reasonably done. And you know what? When I made you sample files. That was in no way meant to prove you wrong. But because I thought you never really understood what I wrote and I had no way of knowing why since I am not a native English speaker. So I thought I'd just show you those files would save words and time in getting my point across. If you are still reading, please write hello norsez one two three next time you see me on the list. Alright, after that said, now I am going to apologize to you for what I think I should. When you refused to try my files, I have to admit that my first catch on this combining with my temper told me you never read my post. Plus when Christoph came up with the sysex patch change message and you said that was exactly what you looked for, that same temper made me believe that you wouldn't use sysex of any kind due to the fear of timing and now you took the problem as a pride nobody (=me) could solve. That's why my response to you after that incident turned unnecessarily harsh. Therefore I have to apologize to you right here. norsez Robert shrieb: I'm aware that Norsez meant well. But badgering me over and over again because I have a contrary opinion doesn't help me. Insisting that I try a solution I've already determined will not work for me does not help me. And continuing this argument doesn't help anyone, so let's all move on. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comWhile we're on the subject (and what a great subject it is), has anyone any tips on how to create that wonderful wooshing "Dr. Who" sound on the Virus? You know, the intro effect? I've wanted to recreate that sound for a long time, but never really got around to it... j. At 11:21 PM 04/25/2000 +0000, you wrote: Hello all, a couple of things really... Can anyone mail me this patch - Tubee.mid Patch TB-30H3 - I read about it on the archives at Canine's site before I got my Virus. Has anyone any tips on making decent 303 like sounds from scratch. Plus one maybe for the specialists! How about a Mentasm sound (or hoover sound as some people call it) as featured on Human Resource's Dominator track from a while back (ummm like almost 10 years!), find that sound very interesting and would like to have a play without buying a Roland Alpha Juno 106 (!!??) whatever it was that had the original preset. Also if anyone knows of any general links on the web about synthesizing sounds I would appreciate them! Thanks in anticipation Ez j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html f***ing suck!shit what the total shit. Figure it out yourself, Snotnose! ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zawell, we could find a giantt EMS modular...... : ) ive gotten something simliar to this jay by using FM, and the LFO's Weld Jay Vaughan wrote: >While we're on the subject (and what a great subject it is), has anyone any tips on how to create that wonderful wooshing "Dr. Who" sound on the Virus? > >You know, the intro effect? I've wanted to recreate that sound for a long time, but never really got around to it... > >j. > >At 11:21 PM 04/25/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >>Hello all, a couple of things really... >> >>Can anyone mail me this patch - Tubee.mid Patch TB-30H3 - I read about it on the archives at Canine's site before I got my Virus. >> >>Has anyone any tips on making decent 303 like sounds from scratch. >> >>Plus one maybe for the specialists! How about a Mentasm sound (or hoover sound as some people call it) as featured on Human Resource's Dominator track from a while back (ummm like almost 10 years!), find that sound very interesting and would like to have a play without buying a Roland Alpha Juno 106 (!!??) whatever it was that had the original preset. >> >>Also if anyone knows of any general links on the web about synthesizing sounds I would appreciate them! >> >>Thanks in anticipation >> >>Ez > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.htmlYou make it sound like anybody who has figured things out with this manual must be a total asshole. dos not make me feel inclined to help you out, I must admit... At 3:56 PM -0400 on 25.04.2000 luxx wrote: the manual with the addendum f***ing suck! it doesnt explain shit about the vocoder. input follower??in l,inr,,aux2,illegal!,what the fuck wheres the individual explanations? the manual started off really well then it turned into total shit. what virus u fire the manual writers halfway through the making? great synth badd manual. by the way i finally figured out i was spelling manual wrong:^) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Check here: http://www.access-music.de/pages/560880/virus_indigo.html ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 3:08 PM Subject: Re: Indigo Availability - US > >In a message dated 4/24/00 6:47:52 PM, jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com writes: > >>he indicated the Indigo was 3 or 4 months off for the US. > >What is virus indigo? >Is it a pink virus? > > >Merk I believe I'm in the majority here -- I don't care to read any of this. Please take your private wars into private space. -zsHello all, a couple of things really... Can anyone mail me this patch - Tubee.mid Patch TB-30H3 - I read about it on the archives at Canine's site before I got my Virus. Has anyone any tips on making decent 303 like sounds from scratch. Plus one maybe for the specialists! How about a Mentasm sound (or hoover sound as some people call it) as featured on Human Resource's Dominator track from a while back (ummm like almost 10 years!), find that sound very interesting and would like to have a play without buying a Roland Alpha Juno 106 (!!??) whatever it was that had the original preset. Also if anyone knows of any general links on the web about synthesizing sounds I would appreciate them! Thanks in anticipation EzIt's a common feeling that the Virus is one of the quieter pieces of gear in a person's rig (of course, except for balanced gear). Mine is second only to my Yamaha FS1R in terms of quietness. to solve your problem, 1) if it's noisy in single mode while *not* on an input or vocoder patch, then exchange your Virus. 2) if it's noisy in multi mode, then look thru all the parts and make sure there's not an input or vocoder patch in one of the parts. If there's no input or vocoder patch in the multi, then exchange your Virus. 3) if you are using an input or vocoder patch, ensure that INPUT BOOST is at zero (or make your source signal hotter if you need more oomph). The input boost happens after the A-D converter, therefore increasing the background noise level proportionally with the level of boost (and reducing the dynamic range of the input signal). -zs On 00-04-25 20:41, Robert Tygers wrote: >>I would just like to add that my virus-b is horribly noisy too. I'm still fighting with guitar center for a refund. >> >>It has the "noise-gate" problem that someone described some months ago. It will be perfectly quiet and then when you start to play it is VERY noisy and then the noise stops after a minute of non-playing. >> >>I've tried the below as well - no fix. > >Strange. Mine is very quiet, like K9's. I agree with him about the vocoder being the most likely cause, since you say it takes a minute for the noise to go away after you stop playing. Try his suggestions if you haven't already. >________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Check also that you are not overloading the inputs on your mixer (especially if you are using a digital mixer!!). Also, check for crossed wires and power transformers near your gear/wires, try using insulating washers when you rack your gear...i also had a giant noise problemo with the virus. reseting doesnt help. go thru the channels and change the sounds you probably have the input patch loaded.this fixed the horrible noise problem i had earlier. the manual issue.. sorry for the rants but it drives me nuts to have such a tease of a manual till page twenty something. the vocoder is not in the edit menu its in the effects.... here's me looking for the vocoder in the manual and through out the viruses interface, "godamnit i knew i saw vocder around here somewhere, i think i'll just vent to the list" know that u see my situation accept my apologies. )is there somewhere on the web that has a tutorial, maybe links to programs (perf. mac) on how to load patches back and forth? i have galaxy but i am not really keen to it. or if any of you fine virus people have time enough to write me a 500 word essay on the subject that would be nice too.>the easiest: saving patches to your computer: 1) make sure your sequencer does not filter out SysEx (I've never used galaxy, so good luck) 2) find MIDI DUMP TX in the CONFIG menu 3) press record in your sequencer 4) press the STORE button on the Virus to transmit the data 5) when it's done, press stop in your sequencer. 6) save the file in your sequencer. sending patches to the Virus: 1) load the MIDI file with the patches into your sequencer. 2) make sure the track that has the patches is sending its output to your Virus. 3) press play. 4) listen to each patch, and store what you like. Patches and other SysEx data is just MIDI data, and can be treated as any other kind of MIDI data. If you need further info, you should probably to a bit of research on the net and learn about the technicalities of MIDI and get comfortable with that. Mastering the technicalities gives you freedom to do whatever you want. http://www.harmonycentral.com/MIDI/ has a lot of good info good luck, grasshoppah -zs On 00-04-25 20:37, luxx wrote: >is there somewhere on the web that has a tutorial, maybe links to programs (perf. mac) on how to load patches back and forth? >i have galaxy but i am not really keen to it. or if any of you fine virus people have time enough to write >me a 500 word essay on the subject that would be nice too.> >) teehehe ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaEz, I made a 303 patch from scratch which I think the way it responds sounds pretty close to TB-303. If you just want to listen to it first, I have an mp3 clip of this patch alone up at http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html Jay, I have never heard of this Dr. Who sound. Is there any clip of this sound on the net? norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comHi, I'm sorry... I couldn't resist... I saw my Virus looking at me, blinking with her leds... she was asking me to make sounds... so I did.... ;-) ...and while doing that, I discovered some more things that would be nice: 1) First of all, a new mode for the Pitchbend. I can't remember on what synth I used this other mode, but here it is: right now, when using pitchbend on a sound with a long release, the pitchbend affects the release of this sound. This is the normal way pitchbend works. Some time ago, I worked on another synth and there you could choose: the normal way, or another way where it only affected the note as long as you pressed the note... so the release wasn't affected. This is nice in some situations. It would be great if this could be added. That way, you can trigger a new note and the release of the old note will not bend back to the 0-position e.g. Very handy! 2) An exciter. No explanation needed I guess... 3) A grafic EQ: a simple grafic EQ, 10 band eg. If it had 10 bands, then it could be controlled with the knobs sets of the envelopes. Just a suggestion.... Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysHi Kintama, >No Thomas this has no longer any relevance to the original issue. It's purely turned into attacking him. Factually describing someone's behaviour, is not an attack. ------------------------------------------------ This thread should have died long ago. I've responded to Kintama privately. Please do not post further on this topic. Thomasno, i make 99% of my stuff from scratch.At 06:32 PM 04/25/2000 -0700, you wrote: I have never heard of this Dr. Who sound. Is there any clip of this sound on the net? norsez I've got some mp3's of the soundtrack somewhere, they'd give you a good impression I think... I'll see if I can find them in the seething quagmire that is my hard drive when I get back to TekLab. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html At 06:52 PM 04/25/2000 +0100, you wrote: During which era/doctor? There are about three or four different versions of this in addition to the version the Jams did. Dan I'm thinking Jon Pertwee era. The one with the scarf ... or is that Tom Baker? Yes, its Tom Baker. For me, there is no other Dr. I stopped watching at the end of his season. Couldn't handle the trauma of the new guys. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html my biggest wish: be able to use the pulswave from oszillator 1 as modulator for frequency modulation not only triangle and the "digital" waves. that would be kewl. the sounds would "growl" hehehe... bye, o. Exactly, I had that noise - and it was just that one of the 16channels carried an input patch.... BTW, that seems a bit unnecessary for a - not exactly cheap synth like the virus - to come with such a noise problem. SHould be possible to make an input with reasonable noise level... Bernhard ----- Original Message ----- From: luxx To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 2:31 AM Subject: noisey virusfix?/ manual reply >i also had a giant noise problemo with the virus. reseting doesnt help. >go thru the channels and change the sounds you probably have the input patch loaded.this fixed the horrible noise problem i had earlier.>An exciter. No explanation needed I guess... Oh my god, what do you want to do with one of those cheap digital exciters? I«ve just taken out my Behringer Ultrafex out of my chain and the sound has become much nicer now. I wonder if there is a real good exciter unit out there... But for sure U won«t find one for "almost free".... Bernhard>Well I can't remember exactly what that problem was about. To me it still sounds like the vocoder is turned on, because that's what it does, it switches itself off when not in use to save voices, that eliminates any noise that comes through the inputs. >Which OS are you using again? Maybe this is a fixed bug? I am on 3.0a on the Virus kb and 2.52 on the Virus a. >Well I am sorry but this is what I am experiencing. There is no need to send the files, I absolutely believe you, but all I can tell you is that my Virus kb has one of the lowest noise levels of all my instruments. dear canine! thanks for all your tips! but i tried all the things you told me! even if i turn ON the vocoder the noise becomes a bit softer than before!!! if i turn on the input boost, the noise becomes only a bit louder than before. the noise appears also in the single-mode, so there cannot be a "hidden part" with input tuned on! there must be a basic-noise level in the virus. regardless to the main volume. there is no difference whether the main volume is loud or soft, only if i turn off the volume to the minimum the noise disappears suddenly with a "klick", as i wrote before. so it cannot be neither the cabels, nor my mixer, but something within the virus. to me it seems as if it was the D-A converter that is turned on and off. my system-version is 3.0 b nevertheless i am sending you my sound-files, hope you all are not too angry therefore. both instruments were connected to my mixer with the same input and the same recording-level etc. you will have to listen to the files a bit louder in order to be able to hear the noise. "nord" is only the mixer and only the nordlead turned on. "virus" is the same but only with the virus turned on. within the soundfile i turn down and up the volume three times, so you can hear the "klick" exactly. if you are able to listen to these files through headphones listen carefully to the virus-example and you will hear that this is not only a normal "noise-signal" but a kind of digital background signal or something. in my opinion the noise is quite loud. i don't know what you say! thanks for your patience and for your attention, best regards, o. > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="nord.mp3" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="nord.mp3" Attachment converted: f2000:nord.mp3 (Mp3 /TVOD) (00007997) Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="virus.mp3" Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="virus.mp3" Attachment converted: f2000:virus.mp3 (Mp3 /TVOD) (00007998)>Baker? Yes, its Tom Baker. > >For me, there is no other Dr. I stopped watching at the end of his Never a truer word spoken. Not only was he the coolest Dr. by far, he had the sexiest assistants as well. Remember Lela, oh my gosh! Joe.I have a friend who has an Alpha Juno 1 so I'm going to try and persuade him to write down the patch settings so that I can copy them on the Virus. I've also been chasing this sound for a while. Joe.>>An exciter. No explanation needed I guess... >Oh my god, what do you want to do with one of those cheap digital exciters? I«ve just taken out my Behringer Ultrafex out of my chain and the sound has become much nicer now. You're talking Behringer, we're talking Access! ;-))) Since they already did such a good job with the analog boost, I thought an exciter might be a possibility for the future. Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays>Glotox@aol.com (02:32 PM 04.25.2000) wrote: > >>Talking about mysterious synths has any list member had the >opportunity to >>play a JoMoX SunSyn? > >I played with one at Winter NAMM. > >It's a very unique sounding machine. It cuts and it kicks... What they did >with the oscillators is truly unique and something to be played with. i like the sound of this. can anyone point me to a web page? cheers, james.>Bottom-line: When an entire song is based simply on a loop we've all heard for >years, used in a highly predictable manner, this is booring. When an already >over-used loop is given a shot of innovation, this is great. Finally, a new >loop/beat used in an innovative manner is the best. > >Ciao, >Dan what about the context the loop is placed in? james.At 10:26 AM +0200 on 26.04.2000 BeSchue wrote: >An exciter. No explanation needed I guess... Oh my god, what do you want to do with one of those cheap digital exciters? I«ve just taken out my Behringer Ultrafex out of my chain and the sound has become much nicer now. I wonder if there is a real good exciter unit out there... But for sure U won«t find one for "almost free".... Well if you are happy enough to own a Yamaha A3000, turn it around and look on the back of it. there, as you will see, is another way to exciters... "blah blah licenced from Aphex technologies..." think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>JoMoX SunSyn? > >i like the sound of this. can anyone point me to a web page? > www.jomox.com -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays>I have a friend who has an Alpha Juno 1 so I'm going to try and persuade him >to write down the patch settings so that I can copy them on the Virus. I've >also been chasing this sound for a while. > >Joe. Hi, I have an MKS 50 sound module which I believe is the rack version of the Juno 1, or perhaps it was the Juno 106. Either way it is awesome, tho not even multi timbral...but hey one track of the MKS 50 is pretty cool anyhoo! ;) Dan The Burke WwW.MP3.com/NukleoN WwW.Burkestudios.complease dont post messages with attachment like this 400 kb to the list. thanx torsten ----- Original Message ----- From: Olaf Lubanski To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 10:35 AM Subject: Re: Antw: Re: noise level >Well I can't remember exactly what that problem was about. To me it still sounds like the vocoder is turned on, because that's what it does, it switches itself off when not in use to save voices, that eliminates any noise that comes through the inputs. >Which OS are you using again? Maybe this is a fixed bug? I am on 3.0a on the Virus kb and 2.52 on the Virus a. >Well I am sorry but this is what I am experiencing. There is no need to send the files, I absolutely believe you, but all I can tell you is that my Virus kb has one of the lowest noise levels of all my instruments. dear canine! thanks for all your tips! but i tried all the things you told me! even if i turn ON the vocoder the noise becomes a bit softer than before!!! if i turn on the input boost, the noise becomes only a bit louder than before. the noise appears also in the single-mode, so there cannot be a "hidden part" with input tuned on! there must be a basic-noise level in the virus. regardless to the main volume. there is no difference whether the main volume is loud or soft, only if i turn off the volume to the minimum the noise disappears suddenly with a "klick", as i wrote before. so it cannot be neither the cabels, nor my mixer, but something within the virus. to me it seems as if it was the D-A converter that is turned on and off. my system-version is 3.0 b nevertheless i am sending you my sound-files, hope you all are not too angry therefore. both instruments were connected to my mixer with the same input and the same recording-level etc. you will have to listen to the files a bit louder in order to be able to hear the noise. "nord" is only the mixer and only the nordlead turned on. "virus" is the same but only with the virus turned on. within the soundfile i turn down and up the volume three times, so you can hear the "klick" exactly. if you are able to listen to these files through headphones listen carefully to the virus-example and you will hear that this is not only a normal "noise-signal" but a kind of digital background signal or something. in my opinion the noise is quite loud. i don't know what you say! thanks for your patience and for your attention, best regards, o. > >>>t.eichhorst@kiwihockey.de 04/26 1:06 >>> please dont post messages with attachment like this 400 kb to the list. thanx torsten i said i am sorry, but how else can i demonstrate my problem. i won't send such big attachments anymore. i wanted only an opinion regarding this "noise-problem". besides, thanks a lot to you for your help! o.I am selling my mint condition Akai S5000 sampler for $1350 plus shipping. Info. about this unit is up at www.akaipro.com Includes everything from the factory. This is a like new - stock unit. If interested, drop me some mail. I am in the D/FW area... Rick Reyes supercow@swbell.netI liked the Indigo's look but it seems to have the same features as my Virus b-Kb. I wonder how much the rack mount is going to be? Merk>In a message dated 4/25/00 12:51:11 PM, kintama@jps.net writes: > >>the spirit is where it's >> >>at... it just wants to help others. I was thinking if you have bad friends, are they your enemy? And if you have no enemies do you have any friends? With friends like these who needs enemies? If you focus too hard on one facet of things you can't truly explore the road ahead or behind. If you think that a community or 2 individuals are going to carry on nice just for your plesant nirvana I am sorry to inform you that you are bound for dissapointment. Conflict is in most ways a force that modulates life. Eg: maybe one of these 2 persons might get so upset and leave the list, maybe sell their Virus and buy a diferent instrument or quit music and become a pimp like IceT. >I like sysex dumps but I wouldn't do them live. >Joe Rizzo ps: how come the adds say the outputs on the Virus kb are 24bit? and now you say the Virus output is dirty like a SidStation? MerkIt's unanimous: Tom Baker is the best doctor. Sorry for the "wasted bandwidth," but those who are into it understand. This is a religion of sorts. Colin Baker (?) was the worst doctor. Joe Frost wrote: >>Baker? Yes, its Tom Baker. >> >>For me, there is no other Dr. I stopped watching at the end of his >Never a truer word spoken. Not only was he the coolest Dr. by far, he had the sexiest assistants as well. > >Remember Lela, oh my gosh! > >Joe.First thing I thought when I got my VB and loaded 3.0b was that it was too noisy. For about a second after the envelope closed and before what sounded like a gate closed. Then I dragged it into the studio and had my sound engineer listen to it. She had no concerns about where the noise floor was on the thing. At least for my needs, it ceased to be an issue. I would simply suggest you think hard about what matters -in the mix- before you ship your red faced friend off for an exchange. peace. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/If you want something to hook up to a computer, try emagic, motu, or opcode, if you want something independent (i have both ) try a old used KMX, waldorf, or digital music mx-8 I think its called ? Weld Da Kid wrote: >Hello, I am looking for a midipatchbay to patch all of my midi inputs and outputs. midiman's boxes does not exactly supply what I want, either in size and functionality. I found this one place at www.voodoolab.com. I remember once I saw an alesis midipatchbay, however can't find it anywhere. Can somebody help me with this one? > >Thank you. >ziyue > >____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1Hello, I am looking for a midipatchbay to patch all of my midi inputs and outputs. midiman's boxes does not exactly supply what I want, either in size and functionality. I found this one place at www.voodoolab.com. I remember once I saw an alesis midipatchbay, however can't find it anywhere. Can somebody help me with this one? Thank you. ziyue ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1Part of it depends what it is EXACTLY that you want to do. If you want the MIDI OUT of all your synths to go to a single MIDI IN of your sequencer, check out www.midisolutions.com and look at the M8. It takes all the MIDI OUT information from your synths and sends it via a single port back to your sequencer. They also make the T8 which does the opposite. The MIDI OUT of your sequencer goes to all your synths. The concept is that it eliminates daisy chaining devices and makes them only "one hop" away from the sequencer. Both devices are rack mountable as well. I'm using them at home. Something like the MOTU or EMAGIC AMT8 is designed to allow you to have 8 midi outputs and 8 midi inputs. This is not the same thing as the midi solutions products. The MOTU/Emgaic allows you to have 16 channels per midi out (8 x 16 = 128). ----- Original Message ----- From: Da Kid To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 5:38 PM Subject: OT:midi patchbay Hello, I am looking for a midipatchbay to patch all of my midi inputs and outputs. midiman's boxes does not exactly supply what I want, either in size and functionality. I found this one place at www.voodoolab.com. I remember once I saw an alesis midipatchbay, however can't find it anywhere. Can somebody help me with this one? Thank you. ziyue ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1What was your problem initially? Of course a Sysex dump of 260 bytes can be placed without influencing the timing of 16th notes. 16th notes at tempo 150 bpm come every 100 ms, while the Sysex dump takes only 87 ms. Drum mapping. If you want to rapidly change two or four or eight parts in a Multi, on the same channel, without affecting the other parts in the Multi - which I do - you're looking at 170 to 700 ms, which will be noticeable (and it's not only notes that are affected but also controller sweeps). The parameter change you pointed out for me solves the problem, even 8 changes are under 30 ms which is fine and allows me to switch drum sets between patterns seamlessly. Norsez and I agree (believe it or not!) that a drum map would be a cool feature to have on the non-Rack Virii too. ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com In a message dated 4/27/00 12:53:56 AM, bigw@onbuffalo.com writes: >If you want something to hook up to a computer, try emagic, motu, or opcode, I would add that opcode will not give you tech support and if you need parts in the future it isn't certain. Steinberg has a new midi patchbay that looks nice. MerkRelated: :Slooga's Brain:sagead1.jpg:00031B2A:00000000:10F29738:10F29738 Related: :Slooga's Brain:sagead2.jpg:00031B2B:00000000:10F2975E:10F2975EMy apologies to those who didn't want to download the previous post... I figure most people would WANT to see the pics/info sheet immediately so I attached em. Feel free to yell at me if you didn't like seeing em ;-) Anyway, looks like the Sage is not just a photoshop trick... and all I can say is WOW (and it looks expensive). Here's the link too, http://www.paranormal.at/consequence/sage.html>It is bad form to attach large files to a list like this.... I know this Tony. Please read my second post. I made a judgment call b/c there is and has been a HUGE amount of confusion and speculation regarding this synth, and I figured that most people would want to see this stuff asap. I'm sorry that the information is not of interest to you, and I am sorry for wasting your time!PS: Could everyone who wants to complain about the Bahn info please forward the emails to me privately, there's no sense cluttering up everones mailboxes with such posts.If you are looking for a Digital Music MX-8 then look on ebay. At least once a week you will find one for around $100. New they are $299. ----- Original Message ----- From: Da Kid To: Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2000 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Re: OT:midi patchbay] what I want to do is to have something, that takes several midi inputs, and allow me to route each inputs to several different other outputs, which may involve merging and splitting... midisolutions seem to offer nice components, however I think to do the kinda of routing I want may endup costing me more than the m8 from digital music... Does anybody know any retailer that sell the m8? and how much would it be? Please let me know. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1i wrote it yesterday to olaf and i will write it again. PLAEASE dont«t post large attachments to this list. In one way i agree to olaf about his problems with his virus, but, Gabe this one is still a access virus user list. If anyone is still interressted in this bahn sage synth, it would be glad to get infomations on another way. THANX A LOT LIST..... bye Torsten ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe To: Tony Karavidas ; digitalhell ; Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [Digitalhell] Bahn Sage Synth, specs, pics n info >>It is bad form to attach large files to a list like this.... > >I know this Tony. Please read my second post. I made a judgment call b/c there is and has been a HUGE amount of confusion and speculation regarding this synth, and I figured that most people would want to see this stuff asap. I'm sorry that the information is not of interest to you, and I am sorry for wasting your time! My friend Steve, at HipHopkins productions (right next door to me here at TekLab!) is looking for an Intern/Apprentice to work with him in his studio on some serious projects - LA area only. I'm forwarding this info on in case anyone's interested - I can vouch for Steve as a very productive MIDI-oriented musician. This would be a great position for anyone wanting to get some hands-on in a production environment, and he has some seriously nice gear that you would be responsible for assisting him with - new Mackie Digital 8Bus, Pro Tools, etc. The gear list keeps growing, as he keeps updating his sound to apply to new commercial projects (Lexus, Honda, etc). See his message below, and if you end up paying him a visit swing by and say hi to me here at TekLab! (We're neighbours) j. Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2000 23:22:09 -0700 (PDT) From: steve hopkins Reply-To: s@hiphopkins.com Subject: assistant 4_steve To: jay@teklab.com < CONTACT: Steve @ (323)953-9870 triphopkins@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/ j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html what I want to do is to have something, that takes several midi inputs, and allow me to route each inputs to several different other outputs, which may involve merging and splitting... midisolutions seem to offer nice components, however I think to do the kinda of routing I want may endup costing me more than the m8 from digital music... Does anybody know any retailer that sell the m8? and how much would it be? Please let me know. Thank you. ____________________________________________________________________ Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1hi folks! again sorry for my noise-attachment yesterday. i wasn't aware of it that for some it could be such a problem. anyhow, today i tried finally to listen to the virus directly with the headphones plugged into the virus. you won't hear any noise then. the output level is too low for headphones in order to be able to hear it. as uhman8 wrote before that the virus-noise doesn't matter in an arrangment, i would say it does. i do not use any kinds of noise-gates, noisereduction and so on. i am trying to have quite a clear signal. but at low-volume passages and on "final chords-releases" you can hear the noise very clearly. what will i do if i start using compressors and limiters? still i don't use any... but i know that even my low-noise signal suddenly gets twice bigger when using a compressor. by the way, my virus is the instrument with the highest outputlevel! it's the only instrument that causes "overloads" in my mixer. maybe it could be possible to put the digital-outputlevel a bit lower, so the digital-noise should also decrease,... or not???! bye, o. Hi! >>I have a friend who has an Alpha Juno 1 so I'm going to try and persuade >him >>to write down the patch settings so that I can copy them on the Virus. >I've >>also been chasing this sound for a while. >> >>Joe. Well, you certainly won't get an _exact_ copy of this sound. Try Rob Papen's "Rotterdam" preset: it gets very near to the sound you want... bye jasper -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298The main part of this sound is a variable width sawtooth. You don't have that on many synths and its a very distinctive sound. The classic hoover sound has this pulse width on fast lfo with pitch envelope and chorus. Any ideas how to do this would be great. I can get the sound in about 2 mins on a juno 1 but can't get close on a virus. regards, Gerald Stringer. ---------- >From: "Joe Frost" To: >Subject: RE: Mentasm / Hoover / Dominator Date: Wed, Apr 26, 2000, 9:51 am > >I have a friend who has an Alpha Juno 1 so I'm going to try and persuade him to write down the patch settings so that I can copy them on the Virus. I've also been chasing this sound for a while. > >Joe. > the modulating possibilities of the virus are huge! for example if i want to put a bit of resonance from filter 1 on the velocity, i have to step through many many other destinations until i find resonance (or something else). either i have always the manual with the whole destination list in front of me, or there could be another way, which could be may be realized with the next update??? it works like this: when i have to choose the destination in the edit menu, i could turn around my resonance knob a bit, and the virus recognizes that automatically as destination. maybe you will have to press edit and turn the knob simultaneously, or something like that. but i think this method could be nice and much quicker for that large amount of parameters. what do you think? o. Hi A friend of mine who I make music with just bought a Virus b (3.0b OS) yesterday and brought it to my house - after seeing all these 'Noisy Virus' messages I was curious, so did some tests on the noise levels and these are the results: First a little background on my setup: I have a Yamaha 01v mixer which is connected to an RME Digi 96/8 soundcard in my PC via SPDIF. As you may know if you have any experience with RME cards, they provide you with a nifty little program called Digicheck which gives some of the facilities of their hardware DAM-1 signal monitor in software running natively on your PC, providing accurate level monitoring, bit statistics etc. anyway, this is what I used to test the signal. For the test I had the 01v's 16 analogue inputs set as normal, with the faders at unity, everyday gain settings etc, and the Virus in single mode with the main outs plugged into the mixer. Noisefloor with Virus master volume set to nothing: -95.3 Noisefloor with Virus master volume at max: -90.3 Noisefloor with Virus master volume at 1/4: -90.15 So the noisefloor rises roughly 5db with the Virus volume up; as a comparison, it rises only 0.7db from -95.3 with my Microwave XT at max volume through the same audio cables. I can definitely hear the 'click' that Olaf recorded in the file sent to the list - it occurs around the first dot after the 0 on the master volume control, and is, I would assume, the sound of the DACs becoming active or something, because there is no audio signal to be heard prior to the click. It's not particularly a problem for us, but I guess it might be if you were recording at 24/96... what would be cool is if someone from Access could comment on this just to clear things up ? cheersThe Roland JP8000 works a little bit like that (although, I believe, only for Velocity modulation). You hit the "Velocity" button and then move one of the knobs/sliders from a baseline position to max position. Hit the "Velocity" button again to commit the changes. I've always thought it would be a little nicer to have more discrete control over the settings (ie. like the Virus) but anyway - that's how it works. JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olaf Lubanski" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 5:53 AM Subject: suggestion the modulating possibilities of the virus are huge! for example if i want to put a bit of resonance from filter 1 on the velocity, i have to step through many many other destinations until i find resonance (or something else). either i have always the manual with the whole destination list in front of me, or there could be another way, which could be may be realized with the next update??? it works like this: when i have to choose the destination in the edit menu, i could turn around my resonance knob a bit, and the virus recognizes that automatically as destination. maybe you will have to press edit and turn the knob simultaneously, or something like that. but i think this method could be nice and much quicker for that large amount of parameters. what do you think? o. >>>jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com 04/27 1:21 >>> >The Roland JP8000 works a little bit like that (although, I believe, only for Velocity modulation). You hit the "Velocity" button and then move one of the knobs/sliders from a baseline position to max position. Hit the "Velocity" button again to commit the changes. I've always thought it would be a little nicer to have more discrete control over the settings (ie. like the Virus) but anyway - that's how it works. i thought about it only for "finding" the right destination by turning the destination-knob. you will still have to change the modulation-strenght with the value-knob. anyhow i thought this would make the long parameter-list more accessable. o. On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:25:16 +0200, "Olaf Lubanski" wrote: >i thought about it only for "finding" the right destination by turning the destination-knob. you will still have to change the modulation-strenght with the value-knob. anyhow i thought this would make the long parameter-list more accessable. I'd like to see user-customisable mod matrix entries with the inputs and oututs you personally want to see often in one list and the rest in another. I'd also like to see user initialisation features to set up mod routings etc. in your fave way when you first start work on a patch. The reminds me, the Virus still lacks "patch initialise" doesn't it? Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle / SoftRoom / HeadShock / FFS softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk headshock@redhotant.com http://www.headshock.co.ukAlthough this set is not out yet and it will take some time... I already did download two extra MP3. The second sound I used in a remix that comes out in Germany soon. Seeya, Rob Papen ___________________________________ ROB PAPEN SOUND-DESIGN & MUSIC Homepage: www.robpapen.com E-mail: rob@robpapen.com What is new our coming out soon: - EMU EOS/Ultra CD-ROM - PROTEUS-2000 Techno Synth 32MB ROM (out) - Access Virus Signature Set Rob Papen (see homepage) - Reaction/comments to RP sounds: www.robpapen.com/guestbook.htm ___________________________________ Tel: 00-31 475410188 Fax: 00-31 475410089 ___________________________________>The main part of this sound is a variable width sawtooth. You don't have that on many synths and its a very distinctive sound. The classic hoover sound has this pulse width on fast lfo with pitch envelope and chorus. Any ideas how to do this would be great. I can get the sound in about 2 mins on >a juno 1 but can't get close on a virus. I don't doubt that you're right but I don't understand why the Virus doesn't make a very good job of this. PWM can be applied to the sawtooth waves via the LFO, pitch envelope is doable and it has a chorus. What's not working? Joe.Just a thought that may help to solve problem, disable all your multi patches, look for noise, then re-enable them one by one, or route allthe enabled patched to say OUT2 / OUT3, see if this makes a difference, I know that the MAster Volume on the Virus affects OUT1 (at least on the A). ---------- From: Olaf Lubanski Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 11:01 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: noisy virus hi folks! again sorry for my noise-attachment yesterday. i wasn't aware of it that for some it could be such a problem. anyhow, today i tried finally to listen to the virus directly with the headphones plugged into the virus. you won't hear any noise then. the output level is too low for headphones in order to be able to hear it. as uhman8 wrote before that the virus-noise doesn't matter in an arrangment, i would say it does. i do not use any kinds of noise-gates, noisereduction and so on. i am trying to have quite a clear signal. but at low-volume passages and on "final chords-releases" you can hear the noise very clearly. what will i do if i start using compressors and limiters? still i don't use any... but i know that even my low-noise signal suddenly gets twice bigger when using a compressor. by the way, my virus is the instrument with the highest outputlevel! it's the only instrument that causes "overloads" in my mixer. maybe it could be possible to put the digital-outputlevel a bit lower, so the digital-noise should also decrease,... or not???! bye, o. Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release be gel-sol, so don't be too critical. Thanks and enjoy.... Gel-Sol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/I too contacted Access tech support regarding the "click" at this point in the master volume control. It sounds like a gate abruptly opening and closing. I never got a satisfactory reply from them, so I get around the problem by using a volume pedal in order to keep the master volume always in the upper part of its range. But it shouldn't have to be this way... Paul > >I can definitely hear the 'click' that Olaf recorded in the file sent to the list - it occurs around the first dot after the 0 on the master volume control, and is, I would assume, the sound of the DACs becoming active or something, because there is no audio signal to be heard prior to the click. Now that is a genius idea. I really like that ! Kintama (one of the teams I lead, is the Interface Design team at my work-place) -----Original Message----- From: Olaf Lubanski ...SNIPPED... when i have to choose the destination in the edit menu, i could turn around my resonance knob a bit, and the virus recognizes that automatically as destination. maybe you will have to press edit and turn the knob simultaneously, or something like that. but i think this method could be nice and much quicker for that large amount of parameters. what do you think? o. Kintama (10:38 AM 04.27.2000) wrote: >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Olaf Lubanski ...SNIPPED... >> >>when i have to choose the destination in the edit menu, i could turn around my resonance knob a bit, and the virus recognizes that automatically as destination. maybe you will have to press edit and turn the knob simultaneously, or something like that. but i think this method could be nice and much quicker for that large amount of parameters. >> >>what do you think? > > >Now that is a genius idea. I really like that ! > >Kintama >(one of the teams I lead, is the Interface Design team at my work-place) I think the Polymorph works this way... Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com >I think the Polymorph works this way... the yammy a3000 works like this to some extent. and i imagine the a4/5k would too. james.I've had a go but I was flying a bit blind...if you want to check it out then... http://www.btinternet.com/~soundcreation/ Remember though - for some reason on this particular server my computer crashes if I just click on it (think it's probably quicktime trying to play it!) so to be safe click and save as. Mess about with LFO 2 to get differences with the pitch. I'm going to have another bash a bit later.brilliant! Weld Kintama wrote: >Now that is a genius idea. I really like that ! > >Kintama >(one of the teams I lead, is the Interface Design team at my work-place) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Olaf Lubanski ...SNIPPED... > >when i have to choose the destination in the edit menu, i could turn around my resonance knob a bit, and the virus recognizes that automatically as destination. maybe you will have to press edit and turn the knob simultaneously, or something like that. but i think this method could be nice and much quicker for that large amount of parameters. > >what do you think? > >o. > I just posted a taste of what I'm up to on MP3.com. Hard DNB, kinda RAM, BAD COMPANY style - all sounds (except drums and movie samples) are from my little red beast. I love it! So, please check it and send me a comment if you care to. The top listed track ("Code of The Freaks") at: http://www.mp3.com/randykraft Peace.Right on! That tune was shaking my entire cubical at work and freaking out my co-workers! What drum machine are you using? Seriously, the bass was just rattling the building apart!! The one thing I like about your style is when the DnB is going crazy, you have some really nice chords/notes that hold out for several measure..almost putting the listener's mind in some crazy mind set. It's like the effect of Ambient on steroids! Definitely not your average Drum'n Bass tune. Blows away Liquid Sky material. That's just my .02 worth of an opinion.. Damn, I'm listening to it again as I type this and I feel like I need a copy on vinyl. For those who haven't checked it, go do it now. TTYL, Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Stolley To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 10:14 PM Subject: New Virus Track - "Code of The Freaks" - DNB >I just posted a taste of what I'm up to on MP3.com. Hard DNB, kinda RAM, BAD COMPANY style - all sounds (except drums and movie samples) are from my little red beast. I love it! > >So, please check it and send me a comment if you care to. The top listed track ("Code of The Freaks") at: > >http://www.mp3.com/randykraft > >Peace.Thanks Mark - I'm always happy to disrupt the corporate arena. Mark Holloway wrote: > >Right on! That tune was shaking my entire cubical at work and freaking out my co-workers! What drum machine are you using? Just my Yamaha RM1-x. >Seriously, the bass was >just rattling the building apart!! The one thing I like about your style is when the DnB is going crazy, you have some really nice chords/notes that hold out for several measure.. That's all Virus. When people say that VAs can't deliver bass, they haven't dug deep enough into the bowels of the beast. >Damn, I'm listening to it again as I type this and I feel like I need a copy on vinyl. I will be releasing some vinyl very soon on my own label. I just need time to really focus, but my day job has been wandering into the night lately (unfortunately, that's the life of an engineer when there is a deadline - Arrgh). I'll keep you posted as to when I press dem plates. Thanks again for the praise; it really justifies sleepness red-eyed nights, an ignored girlfriend, and irate neighbors. ~mNot a bad track! For more Virus based DnB check out http://www.hijackers.co.uk go to the tracks section and listen to Devolve. Joe.I'll check this out tonight, I had a try last night and got nowhere with the Virus, switched over to the MicroModular and based on the info Gerald gave had a massive 5 osc mentasm (almost a dead ringer for the one in Charly), in the space of about 20 minutes. I was going to sell the Micro but not anymore! I'll try and do more on the Virus over the weekend, I'm on a mission to reconstruct the palette of Rave sounds for a little project that I have in mind. >I've had a go but I was flying a bit blind...if you want to check it out then... > >http://www.btinternet.com/~soundcreation/ > >Remember though - for some reason on this particular server my computer crashes if I just click on it (think it's probably quicktime trying to play it!) so to be safe click and save as. > >Mess about with LFO 2 to get differences with the pitch. I'm going to have another bash a bit later. >Not a bad track! > >For more Virus based DnB check out http://www.hijackers.co.uk go to the tracks section and listen to Devolve. > >Joe. > > to bad this track is in Real Audio format ,if it were coded to MP3 ,is listen to it. I refuse to install poor quality ,buggy applications on any of my Mac's :P TaRG¯NCan you really modify the pulse width of the Sawtooth wave? Please tell me how. A five osc hoover eh?. Good work fella. Are the micromodulars any good and can I run it on a mac? regards Gerald. ---------- >From: "Joe Frost" To: >Subject: RE: Mentasm / Hoover / Dominator Date: Thu, Apr 27, 2000, 1:43 pm > >>The main part of this sound is a variable width sawtooth. You don't have that on many synths and its a very distinctive sound. The classic hoover sound has this pulse width on fast lfo with pitch envelope and chorus. Any ideas how to do this would be great. I can get the sound in about 2 mins on >>a juno 1 but can't get close on a virus. >I don't doubt that you're right but I don't understand why the Virus doesn't make a very good job of this. PWM can be applied to the sawtooth waves via the LFO, pitch envelope is doable and it has a chorus. What's not working? > >Joe. > When you say "Rave" sounds are you referring to 1990-1993 stuff? Like Lords of Acid/LUST, Prodigy/Charlie, or old house? Just curious what it is you're working on.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Frost To: Sent: Friday, April 28, 2000 1:42 AM Subject: RE: In search of The Virus Hoover >I'll try and do more on the Virus over the weekend, I'm on a mission to reconstruct the palette of Rave sounds for a little project that I have in mind. >Can you really modify the pulse width of the Sawtooth wave? Please tell me how. No, you can't, you're right. I thought you could but when I actually tried it on the Virus it didn't work, you can hear the PWM start to come in as you sweep the knob round towards the square wave. Maybe we should ask for it in V4 :o) >A five osc hoover eh?. Good work fella. It was lush, very playable as well. I use an AN1x as my main controller and I set up the Micro so that pressing harder on the ribbon would cause the pitch drop at the start to sweep in prgressively more. I also set the X-axis of the ribbon to control the LPF for some nice )E|B( style filtering. I have to say, that patch surpassed all of my expectations. >Are the micromodulars any good and can I run it on a mac? Yes, they're wicked for mentasm sounds :o) Actually they're not bad, I find some of the filters a bit dry especially when compared to the Virus, but it's very flexible in terms of modulation and quite good for copying other synths. A lot of people seem to delight in making totally useless and unplayable patches that are just very complicated or clever, and a lot of the patches that you can download are a bit dull but it is quite a good tool and it's got a very nice vocoder that is very easy to get results from. After hearing the quality of the mentasm I almost wished that I had bought a full modular instead of the micro but it is a bit pricey. I reckon that the Micro is worth the money and a useful tool if you already have several other synths. The Modular editor does work on a Mac, bear in mind that whichever platform you use you will need an extra set of MIDI ports for the editor software as it doesn't share. Joe.>When you say "Rave" sounds are you referring to 1990-1993 stuff? Exactly that. >Like Lords >of Acid/LUST, Prodigy/Charlie, or old house? Just curious what it is you're >working on.. Think Charlie and you'll be right on the money. In fact, think stabs, beeps, strings, and mentasms from the whole Experience album. As soon as we've got something ready I'll put a snip on the web and post here, it's relevant as there'll be quite a bit of Virus in it. Patience.... Any patches/samples would be greatly appreciated. Joe. PS. Does anyone know of a sample CD (from personal experience) that covers the Rave scene circa 1991?Is it worth hooking up the Virus in stereo or should I just leave it mono? Or should I be using multiple outputs? I'm lost.i would hook it up stereo. first of all you can modulate the panning automatically through lfos and all the other modulation sources, besides you have stereo-spread in chorus, unisono, phaser etc. and most important: if you choose split-function in filter, the one oszillator-section is put through filter one and sounds left in the stereofield, the other oszillator-section is put through the other filter and sounds right. you can also here define the amount of stereo-spread. i think the stereomode in virus is quite ok! > >>>mholloway@flashmail.com 04/28 1:52 >>> Is it worth hooking up the Virus in stereo or should I just leave it mono? Or should I be using multiple outputs? I'm lost.Gel-Sol - Listened to your MP3s. Pretty tight. Enjoyed them greatly. Your song descriptions cracked me up too. Good work. ***************************************** On the Indigo front - I spoke w/ NovaMusik yesterday afternoon and the last they heard was june delivery on the Indigos for the US. ***************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Guy Incognito" To: Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2000 9:53 AM Subject: OT: Gel-Sol mp3's >Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol > >These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release be gel-sol, so don't be too critical. > >Thanks and enjoy.... > >Gel-Sol > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/Hi! >PS. Does anyone know of a sample CD (from personal experience) that covers the Rave scene circa 1991? I know Ecstatic Goldmine I is full of these kind of sounds. Not my style, even back then... jasper -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298Just curious. What does this Hoover sound sounds like? Anybody has a sample from the Juno? norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/your tracks are quite cool! especially the sounds are really weird. are they all coming from virus? i like your arrangements. the music could be more "musical", but who cares... ;-) greets, o. > >>>gelsol@yahoo.com 04/27 3:53 >>> Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release be gel-sol, so don't be too critical.I do use the virus on most of those songs...especially the soundscapey sounds....but some of the wierder sounds are most likely from the waldorf microwave xt...and I agree, the songs need to be a little more coherant and musical, but I'm a very lazy man and I dont work on anything past 3 days....they're really just sketches until I move into my new studio sometime in the next month....then I will add more tripped out samples and tie the songs together with audio wierdness.... excuses, excuses......thanks alot for listening! Gel-Sol --- Olaf Lubanski wrote: >your tracks are quite cool! especially the sounds are really weird. are they all coming from virus? i like your arrangements. the music could be more "musical", but who cares... ;-) > >greets, > >o. > > >> > >>>>gelsol@yahoo.com 04/27 3:53 >>> >Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol > >These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release be >gel-sol, so don't be too critical. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/Don't forget "Temporary Scope" where you can see the values of the velocity/ribbon assignments. You can use the up/down keys to increase or decrease the value in this mode... Rick >The Roland JP8000 works a little bit like that (although, I believe, only for Velocity modulation). You hit the "Velocity" button and then move one of the knobs/sliders from a baseline position to max position. Hit the "Velocity" button again to commit the changes. I've always thought it would be a little nicer to have more discrete control over the settings (ie. like the Virus) but anyway - that's how it works. > >JP Yeah Gel-Sol there was some cool stuff there. You will FINISH these tracks! You will FINISH these tracks! Now write it on the board 100 times: "I will finish my tracks. I will work on them for more than 3 days. They will rock." --------- Funny, I read some online article where Michael Abrash of id Software was talking about programming Quake and how the entire team got to the point where they just hated the thing towards the end but they pounded and pounded and finally got the thing done. He said that the payoff was more than worth it when it was finished. I was thinking that sometimes (thank god not all the time) that happens to me with my music. I'll get totally stuck and frustrated but I don't give up and force myself through whatever barrier I'm against to finish the track (and sometimes that means throwing away whole minutes of music that at one time seemed so cool). Yeah, music is supposed to be fun but sometimes you just gotta knuckle down and finish the dang thing. Anyways, I certainly don't mean to be preaching to you Gel-Sol - just felt like voicing some stuff I've been thinking about. Hope that DVD works out for ya. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Antw: OT: Gel-Sol mp3's Author: Non-HP-gelsol (gelsol@yahoo.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/28/00 6:44 AM I do use the virus on most of those songs...especially the soundscapey sounds....but some of the wierder sounds are most likely from the waldorf microwave xt...and I agree, the songs need to be a little more coherant and musical, but I'm a very lazy man and I dont work on anything past 3 days....they're really just sketches until I move into my new studio sometime in the next month....then I will add more tripped out samples and tie the songs together with audio wierdness.... excuses, excuses......thanks alot for listening! Gel-Sol --- Olaf Lubanski wrote: >your tracks are quite cool! especially the sounds are really weird. are they all coming from virus? i like your arrangements. the music could be more "musical", but who cares... ;-) > >greets, > >o. > > >> > >>>>gelsol@yahoo.com 04/27 3:53 >>> >Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol > >These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release be >gel-sol, so don't be too critical. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/Thats, what I need.....a little discipline....I'm not in a terribly creative environment here in DC, so I get writing spurts less frequently than I'd like to...yeah, I'm gonna suck it up and finish those bastards....thanks for the input and ruler beating! What I really need is a thorough ass-kicking...and I would be interested in remixing other folks songs...so feel free to contact me anytime....any of you synth-geeks!! Thanks again fellas... Gel-Sol --- dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: >Yeah Gel-Sol there was some cool stuff there. > > > >You will FINISH these tracks! > >You will FINISH these tracks! > >Now write it on the board 100 times: > >"I will finish my tracks. I will work on them for more than 3 days. >They will rock." > >--------- > >Funny, I read some online article where Michael Abrash of id Software >was talking about programming Quake and how the entire team got to the >point where they just hated the thing towards the end but they pounded >and pounded and finally got the thing done. He said that the payoff >was more than worth it when it was finished. > >I was thinking that sometimes (thank god not all the time) that >happens to me with my music. I'll get totally stuck and frustrated >but I don't give up and force myself through whatever barrier I'm >against to finish the track (and sometimes that means throwing away >whole minutes of music that at one time seemed so cool). Yeah, music >is supposed to be fun but sometimes you just gotta knuckle down and >finish the dang thing. > >Anyways, I certainly don't mean to be preaching to you Gel-Sol - just >felt like voicing some stuff I've been thinking about. Hope that DVD >works out for ya. > >-Dennis >www.mp3.com/subgenius > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: Antw: OT: Gel-Sol mp3's >Author: Non-HP-gelsol (gelsol@yahoo.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 >Date: 4/28/00 6:44 AM > > >I do use the virus on most of those >songs...especially >the soundscapey sounds....but some of the wierder sounds are most likely from the waldorf microwave xt...and I agree, the songs need to be a little more > >coherant and musical, but I'm a very lazy man and I dont work on anything past 3 days....they're really just sketches until I move into my new studio sometime >in the next month....then I will add more tripped out >samples and tie the songs together with audio wierdness.... > >excuses, excuses......thanks alot for listening! > >Gel-Sol > >--- Olaf Lubanski wrote: >>your tracks are quite cool! especially the sounds are really weird. are they all coming from virus? >i >>like your arrangements. the music could be more "musical", but who cares... ;-) >> >>greets, >> >>o. >> >> >>> >> >>>>>gelsol@yahoo.com 04/27 3:53 >>> >>Gel-Sol has 14 new mp3's at www.mp3.com/gel-sol >> >>These are all sketches for an upcoming DVD release > >>be >>gel-sol, so don't be too critical. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. >http://im.yahoo.com/ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/"I will finish my tracks. I will work on them for more than 3 days. They will rock." I suffer from the same problem. I'll usually do pieces that last anywhere from 30 seconds to two minutes.. play with them for about a week, then move on to something else. I think I've done about a million experiments, but only 'finished' around 4-5 complete songs. Funny, I read some online article where Michael Abrash of id Software was talking about programming Quake and how the entire team got to the point where they just hated the thing towards the end but they pounded and pounded and finally got the thing done. He said that the payoff was more than worth it when it was finished. I used to work at id (left last year).. seems like the same thing happens with all their games :) One of the big reasons I left was to spend more time learning my instruments.. and to write music. Seems like you just can't write anything when you're at work for 16-20 hours a day 6-7 days a week. It's definitely been worth it. Funny thing is, while I was there was when I was most 'productive' when it came to generating the most amount of snippits of music. Now that I'm gone I'm less productive, but I'm actually finishing stuff. Never be afraid to throw away or replace parts of your music (or levels). There will always usually be a time and place for the media you've created. If not for a future piece, then for future inspiration. Hell, it's a constant learning process (hope I'm not alone here!). Take care, -B hi dennis, >I was thinking that sometimes (thank god not all the time) that happens to me with my music. I'll get totally stuck >and frustrated but I don't give up and force myself through whatever barrier I'm against to finish the track (and >sometimes that means throwing away whole minutes of music that at one time seemed so cool). Yeah, music >is supposed to be fun but sometimes you just gotta knuckle down and finish the dang thing. i'm in the middle of putting my first cd together, so i definitely relate to this. it seems to be getting harder the closer it gets to being finished. although i'm trying to bear in mind that i'm going to be my worst critic, and thus trying not to be too hard on myself. have a good weekend all. cya, james.Where in DC are you. I live on the Bethesda/Rockville line. David Z << Thats, what I need.....a little discipline....I'm not in a terribly creative environment here in DC, so I get writing spurts less frequently than I'd like to...yeah, I'm gonna suck it up and finish those bastards....thanks for the input and ruler beating! What I really need is a thorough ass-kicking...and I would be interested in remixing other folks songs...so feel free to contact me anytime....any of you synth-geeks!! Thanks again fellas... >> MP3.com - David Z I used to work at id (left last year).. seems like the same thing happens Whoa, cool! You a level designer then? Any music of yours get into Q3? Never be afraid to throw away or replace parts of your music (or levels). There will always usually be a time and place for the media you've created. If not for a future piece, then for future inspiration. Hell, it's a constant learning process (hope I'm not alone here!). Yup - you hit one of my biggest learnings: Never fall so much in love with your own music that you are afraid to throw parts of it away for the good of the song. Sometimes I'll go on a rampage and rip out minutes worth of material - and will do this multiple times until things start working again. That's one of the most difficult things for me in song writing: retaining objectivity when you've got the song memorized backwards and forwards. I ask the question: "Is this thing still good? Have I totally hosed it?" Often it's difficult to answer that when you've been working on something for weeks (or months). -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius Whoa, cool! You a level designer then? Any music of yours get into Q3? I did levels at id (The Longest Yard, stuff like that) and was handling the music (FLA) and sfx side of the production while I was there. None of my music ended up in the game. I had done a bunch of looping little 15-30 seconds pieces for Xian (Christian Antkow) after I left.. they needed some win/lose music etc.. but Xian never did anything with it. Oh well. Most of my stuff is too melodic for games like Q3. Although I'm alright at doing sort of rhythmic guitar oriented stuff :) It's just not as much fun for me. Yup - you hit one of my biggest learnings: Never fall so much in love with your own music that you are afraid to throw parts of it away for the good of the song. That's a tough one! There have been sooooo many times when I just couldn't "let go" of something I had done. It's usually always because I've spent like a day just working on it over and over and over again. Then when I hear it the next morning it sounds like crap (mix-wise) but I still can't let it go :) So it gets moved into a recycle bin of miscellaneous snippits. Often it's difficult to answer that when you've been working on something for weeks (or months). I also usually feel pretty rushed for some reason when I'm working on stuff. Like I have some sort of deadline hanging over my head (post-traumatic stress from previous jobs :) When in reality I really have no reason to be rushed. I've started listening more to how my music is mixed and have moved into the whole realm of filters, effects and post production. This is the worst part for me. I'll listen to something on my studio monitors, then on headphones, then in the car, then on computer speakers. Whee! Four different sounding mixes. The apartment I'm in doesn't help either.. bass is pretty much absorbed everywhere, so my mixes that had always sounded full of highs and slight mids are reduced to mush when heard under normal, average listening conditions. www.mp3.com/subgenius I've been in the process of moving my domain (killme.com) for about the ohhh.. last year and a half. In the meantime, how does one go about setting up a page/account on mp3.com? -B >I was thinking that sometimes (thank god not all the time) that happens to me with my music. I'll get totally stuck and frustrated but I don't give up and force myself through whatever barrier I'm against to finish the track (and sometimes that means throwing away whole minutes of music that at one time seemed so cool). Yeah, music is supposed to be fun but sometimes you just gotta knuckle down and finish the dang thing. My take on is that if I hate the song by the end, I start a new one or only take parts of the song I like and rebuild...I draw the same way (my profession). Video games? No way you can do that to a large degree because they take so long and require the input of loads of people laboring on the thing to get it done. You can make changes midway, assuming the engine allows for such things (and the programmers are willing to cooperate). A little trivia, Morrissey is\was the same way, he wouldn't want to redo the song more than 5-7 times before ditching it...at least for the time being. I know that if I can like a song for as long as it takes me to do it, it is probably a pretty decent tune. ;) Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNHi! >I just posted a taste of what I'm up to on MP3.com. Hard DNB, kinda RAM, BAD COMPANY style - all sounds (except drums and movie samples) are from my little red beast. I love it! >So, please check it and send me a comment if you care to. The top listed track ("Code of The Freaks") at: >http://www.mp3.com/randykraft >Peace. Randy, this is an excellent track! Very good use of the virus' bizarre soundscaping power. The bass is VERY cool. The drum could be mixed a bit more in your face. Pay attention to your hihats as well, it lacks a bit of swing/drive. Very nice little virus fx sounds. If you could just improve the drumparts a little bit it's ready for vinyl IMHO! jasper -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298Being guilty of murdering over 100 tunes in a year and a half I have thought about this one - on the one hand you learn how to use your equipment, learn what works for you in a track and develop high standards in what you create. On the other you don't learn how to produce and arrange a composition to the same degree at all. So from this moment on I finish whatever I start! (yeah right - voice in back of head). Time to get balanced on all fronts! No more 4-bar loops!!!! Ez dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > > >>I used to work at id (left last year).. seems like the same thing happens > >Whoa, cool! You a level designer then? Any music of yours get into Q3? > >>Never be afraid to throw away or replace parts of your music (or levels). There will always usually be a time and place for the media you've created. If not for a future piece, then for future inspiration. Hell, it's a constant learning process (hope I'm not alone here!). > >Yup - you hit one of my biggest learnings: Never fall so much in love with your own music that you are afraid to throw parts of it away for the good of the song. Sometimes I'll go on a rampage and rip out minutes worth of material - and will do this multiple times until things start working again. > >That's one of the most difficult things for me in song writing: retaining objectivity when you've got the song memorized backwards and forwards. I ask the question: "Is this thing still good? Have I totally hosed it?" Often it's difficult to answer that when you've been working on something for weeks (or months). > >-Dennis >www.mp3.com/subgenius I like the virus in stereo fo its panning ans chorusing, but i keep my 2 waldorf pulses in mono . Weld Mark Holloway wrote: >Is it worth hooking up the Virus in stereo or should I just leave it mono? Or should I be using multiple outputs? I'm lost.The Lucidworks Trance List is now up and running and open for business. This list is described as the NZ/Pacific Trance Mailing List. This list is intended to cater to the greater Trance community around the pacific. The purpose is to discuss any topics related to Trance music such as (but not limited to): 1. Artists/Producers/labels and their songs 2. DJ's - local/international etc 3. Events - promotion/advertising is fine 4. Organising parties 5. Techniques and writing Trance music 6. Spiritual journeys while listening to Trance The list is pretty open to what gets discussed as long as it's at least vaguely related to Trance. To be subscribed, send an email to listserver@lucidworks.co.nz with the body of "subscribe trance" Regards, Lukas Trance List Moderator/AdministratorIn a message dated 4/28/00 8:37:49 AM, Joe_Frost@omnis-software.com writes: >switched over to the MicroModular and based on the info Gerald gave had a massive 5 osc mentasm (almost a dead ringer for the one in Charly), in the space of about 20 minutes. I was going to sell the Micro but not anymore! Which is better Generator from NI or the Nord MicroModular? MerkHi List! Those of you who remember Howard's generosity with his fine sound set and his subsequent departure from the list to go on tour with the 70's space rock band gong may be interested to hear of his progress. The St. David's Ambience Society (AKA Future Sound of Exeter), which I am heavily involved in, promoted the Exeter leg of the above mentioned tour. The gig happened on Thursday and it was a total blinder! utterly magnificent, completely spaced out and Dead Funky! Lots of old material as well as new and all brilliantly executed. Howard was great, he can really play as well as being a brilliant programmer, although he said that he felt he didn't play so well (modesty?). Watch out for him when he's having a good night then! Anyway it was great to meet Howard, have a chat and take a look at his heavily modified Synthi A. The rest of the band were also dead friendly and not at all arogant rock star types. We look forward to having them round for a cup of tea again some time. The rest of the Gong tour continues thus: Sat 29th - Bergen Festival (Norway) Thu 4th - Paris, Le Bataclan Sun 7th - London, Hammersmith Palais Check them out if you possibly can! These guys invented "Trance" music and it then took the world 20 years to catch up. To check out what else the SAS is up to visit http://www.exeternet.freeserve.co.uk/ambience.htm . We have several gigs forthcoming and a very exciting compilation CD release featuring some of the top Trance / Techno / Ambient artists in South West England. Bye for now, and remember - "You never blow your trip forever!" Steve PS I've had a spliff with Mike Howlett. How cool is that!:) -- N-Tropic, Organic Trance-Techno music: www.Rare-Earth.co.uk/n-tropic.htmlstereo! stereo! alternately, you could hook up one pair of the outputs in stereo, then have 4 mono channels. or two pairs stereo, and 2 mono. whatever the situation demands. the virus' chorus is so nice, it's a shame to run it in mono, imho. -z On 00-04-28 04:52, Mark Holloway wrote: >Is it worth hooking up the Virus in stereo or should I just leave it mono? Or should I be using multiple outputs? I'm lost. what was the name of that or those programs that will give the cher effect? thanx my stuff http://www.luxx.ubikorp.comand a big "u go boy" to u! finish everything u start start everything u finish eat your greens and for god sake make those four bar loops at least eight...except on the beats then you can have those four bar loops as long as you dosome change ups around the 32nd beat.. good luck to you p.s. hundred tunes? geawddarn! Ez wrote: >Being guilty of murdering over 100 tunes in a year and a half I have thought about this one - on the one hand you learn how to use your equipment, learn what works for you in a track and develop high standards in what you create. On the other you don't learn how to produce and arrange a composition to the same degree at all. So from this moment on I finish whatever I start! (yeah right - voice in back of head). >Time to get balanced on all fronts! No more 4-bar loops!!!! > >Ez > >dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > >> >> >>>I used to work at id (left last year).. seems like the same thing happens >> >>Whoa, cool! You a level designer then? Any music of yours get into Q3? >> >>>Never be afraid to throw away or replace parts of your music (or levels). There will always usually be a time and place for the media you've created. If not for a future piece, then for future inspiration. Hell, it's a constant learning process (hope I'm not alone here!). >> >>Yup - you hit one of my biggest learnings: Never fall so much in love with your own music that you are afraid to throw parts of it away for the good of the song. Sometimes I'll go on a rampage and rip out minutes worth of material - and will do this multiple times until things start working again. >> >>That's one of the most difficult things for me in song writing: retaining objectivity when you've got the song memorized backwards and forwards. I ask the question: "Is this thing still good? Have I totally hosed it?" Often it's difficult to answer that when you've been working on something for weeks (or months). >> >>-Dennis >>www.mp3.com/subgenius I'm in Dupont Circle.. boni Where in DC are you. I live on the Bethesda/Rockville line. David Z << Thats, what I need.....a little discipline....I'm not in a terribly creative environment here in DC, so I get writing spurts less frequently than I'd like to...yeah, I'm gonna suck it up and finish those bastards....thanks for the input and ruler beating! What I really need is a thorough ass-kicking...and I would be interested in remixing other folks songs...so feel free to contact me anytime....any of you synth-geeks!! Thanks again fellas... >> MP3.com - David Z ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com IF you wanna talk about noise you should try the patches from the nord modular list... ;-p ----- Original Message ----- From: "Phillips, Adrian" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Noisy Virus >I had noise really strange noise problems. It happened after trying to load >some of you's guys' stupid patches via midi. On a hunch I reloaded the OS and the factory soundbanks, and voila! Noise cured! > >give it a try, >adrian >http://www.bmwusa.com/previews/ny_autoshow/imgs/m3_2.jpg > > >* -----Original Message----- >* From: Robert Tygers [mailto:robotchas@hotmail.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2000 1:42 PM >* To: access-list@teklab.com >* Subject: Re: Noisy Virus >* >* >* >I would just like to add that my virus-b is horribly noisy * too. I'm still >* >fighting with guitar center for a refund. * > >* >It has the "noise-gate" problem that someone described some months * >ago. It will be perfectly quiet and then when you start to play it is * >VERY noisy and then the noise stops after a minute of non-playing. * > >* >I've tried the below as well - no fix. * >* Strange. Mine is very quiet, like K9's. I agree with him * about the vocoder >* being the most likely cause, since you say it takes a minute * for the noise >* to go away after you stop playing. Try his suggestions if you haven't * already. >* ______________________________________________________________ * __________ >* Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them?Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them?In a message dated 4/28/00 10:23:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bigw@onbuffalo.com writes: >there OK Do you mean OK as in average or as in fully legit?there OK www http://www.primenet.com/~mika/MusicCentral/ more personel attention weld Knownodus@aol.com wrote: >Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them?In a message dated 4/29/00 5:40:16 AM, bigw@onbuffalo.com writes: >if you want all the good things and more i highly recomend music central! >Weld You mean they give you options on deadly sins? Murklegit, but not very personel, if you want to buy, get a good price, and get out of dodge, use em, if they have what you want in stock : ) if you want all the good things and more i highly recomend music central! Weld Knownodus@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/28/00 10:23:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, bigw@onbuffalo.com writes: > >>there OK >Do you mean OK as in average or as in fully legit?antares autotune or any pitch quantiser. G. ---------- >From: luxx >To: access virus Subject: cher program? >Date: Sat, Apr 29, 2000, 1:34 am > >what was the name of that or those programs that will give the cher effect? >thanx > >my stuff >http://www.luxx.ubikorp.com > I have never had any complaints, use to go to their showrooms in chicago all the time, very personable. If you have any questions just give the storea call, they know their stuff... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Herr Prof Peter Lewis Swimm `~~~~~k/Rad Labs~~~~~~~ http:\\kradlabs.home.texas.net A Warning. The vast majority of these stories contain violence, swords, graphic sex, space, homosexuality, aliens, vampires, immortals, and misc. beings that have found their way out of this writer's frighteningly psychotic mind.. if the idea of two men (or two women) engaged in acts of a rather _intimate_ nature offends you. Please leave now. If you think Disney's Beauty and the Beast is stupid, you can stay but do so knowing that you've just insulted my FAVOURITE cartoon.. and if reading stories that could only happen in fanfiction worlds makes you giddy like Christmas morning- - stay, relax and dig in. http://www.dreamwater.com/coacfiction/ ************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: zzounds.com question >Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them? There great! They have beat every price i brought to them and i get free shiping and no tax!~ Chris Borgia Lynx Magazine --- Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm wrote: >I have never had any complaints, use to go to their showrooms in chicago all >the time, very personable. If you have any questions just give the storea >call, they know their stuff... > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- >--- >Herr Prof Peter Lewis Swimm >`~~~~~k/Rad Labs~~~~~~~ >http:\\kradlabs.home.texas.net >A Warning. The vast majority of these stories contain violence, swords, >graphic sex, space, homosexuality, aliens, vampires, immortals, and misc. >beings that have found their way out of this writer's frighteningly psychotic mind.. if the idea of two men (or two women) engaged in acts of a >rather _intimate_ nature offends you. Please leave now. If you think Disney's Beauty and the Beast is stupid, you can stay but do so knowing that >you've just insulted my FAVOURITE cartoon.. and if reading stories that >could only happen in fanfiction worlds makes you giddy like Christmas morning- >- stay, relax and dig in. > >http://www.dreamwater.com/coacfiction/ >************************************************************* ----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: Saturday, April 29, 2000 12:19 AM Subject: zzounds.com question > > >>Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them? >> > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online and get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/In a message dated 4/29/00 12:20:43 AM, Knownodus@aol.com writes: >Does anybody have any experience, good or bad, with them? They seem to be OK, the biggest complaint I have heard about them is that they tend to not have things in stock, even if the website says they do. I live within walking dostance of their downtown Chicago store (therefore I don't buy anything major from them because of sales tax). They tend to have a nice selection of stuff, but their store personnel don't seem to be to eager to help you- I tried to order some studio furniture and they barely could be bothered. The manager seems to be a decent enough guy, though..... -MarshallThey screwed me twice... the only times I ordered from 'em. Both times I had to lean on them to get the orders shipped. They decided not to ship the order both times without informing me or explaining why. I was planning to order a virus from them, just arround the time the B was being released... but they couldn't tell me if the virus they were selling was the A or the B. Essentially they said they couldn't tell me until I ordered it. IMHO it doesn't seem to be worth the extra few bucks you save to be subjected to that kind of service. My current favorite mail order store would have to be www.sweetwater.com. I just can't do without the salespeople that "real" stores have.well sweetwater gets too big for its britches sometimes too. orders not shipping on time, excuses for things not in stock, and you have to listen to some 24 yr old kid everytime read you there spiel about how there different than everyone else, sorry im venting : ) My best luck has been: music central nova music 8th street music and washington music center cerberus@moral.decay.net wrote: >They screwed me twice... the only times I ordered from 'em. Both times I had to lean on them to get the orders shipped. They decided not to ship the order both times without informing me or explaining why. > >I was planning to order a virus from them, just arround the time the B was being released... but they couldn't tell me if the virus they were selling was the A or the B. Essentially they said they couldn't tell me until I ordered it. > >IMHO it doesn't seem to be worth the extra few bucks you save to be subjected to that kind of service. My current favorite mail order store would have to be www.sweetwater.com. I just can't do without the salespeople that "real" stores have.I've heard numerous good things about 8th street and one story from nova--maybe on this list--about somebody who bought a Virus B and it was MOA...malfunctioning on arrival. Supposedly they would not take it back. Feels like I'm gambling here.I have purchased numerous items from zzounds with few problems, they were pretty good about the problems I did have as well (german manual was included with one of my purchases, they sent me out an english one the next day) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 12:04 AM Subject: Re: zzounds.com question >I've heard numerous good things about 8th street and one story from nova--maybe on this list--about somebody who bought a Virus B and it was MOA...malfunctioning on arrival. Supposedly they would not take it back. Feels like I'm gambling here. > -----Original Message----- From: Knownodus@aol.com To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Saturday, April 29, 2000 9:05 PM Subject: Re: zzounds.com question >I've heard numerous good things about 8th street and one story from nova--maybe on this list--about somebody who bought a Virus B and it was MOA...malfunctioning on arrival. Supposedly they would not take it back. Feels like I'm gambling here. chizmo7@aol.com is a guy that works for www.grandmasmusic.com and I've ordered from him and had great luck. He's not quite the bargain steal that he used to be, but he's in the average price... I'll still support him when I get my virus b next month simply because I trust him and he is there AFTER the sale when I have questions. Very cool guy his name is matt. The other advantage to him is that he's friends with the guy that imports them into the US so when he says they are out of stock and and it will be two weeks, he's dead accurate. I've ordered thousands worth of various products over the years, and I always get told it's in stock or that its not but will be in a couple days, and never is. So he won't bs and since he's a friend of the us distributor (sorry I forgot the name (TSI?)) he's getting first hand info on ship dates. The key ingredient with Matt is I trust him. I have no clue if it's just him at Grandma's or if it's everyone, but he's cool. It's hard to find a good sales person in anything so when I find someone I trust I tend to stick. Sounds like Weld has some good contacts that he trusts too, and others have also reported his favorite companies as good too. You might want to call up a few places and just talk to them and get a vibe for them before you commit to doing a purchase. Also do www.dejanews.com searches for customer responses online to certain companies. Have Fun, and good luck. Kintama Hi there, The moment I upgraded from 3.0a to 3.0b my knob-Display function seems to be disfunctional. I try to set it to On, but as soon I confirm it, it sets itself to Off-mode again. Is this a known bug ? Will it be fixed in the 4.0 version ? Thanks in advance for your help. Sixten Strangely enough I did have this problem myself. Try turning the unit off and then on again. If this persists, do a hard reset. Power on while holding both of the LFO shape buttons, and initialize the machine. I haven't had the problem since! Good luck, Brooks From: Sixten Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Knob Display Date: Sun, 30 Apr 2000 11:12:49 +0200 Hi there, The moment I upgraded from 3.0a to 3.0b my knob-Display function seems to be disfunctional. I try to set it to On, but as soon I confirm it, it sets itself to Off-mode again. Is this a known bug ? Will it be fixed in the 4.0 version ? Thanks in advance for your help. Sixten ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com yup that is when I found noise with my virus was loading patches i downloaded Zack Steinkamp wrote: >>It happened after trying to load >>some of you's guys' stupid patches via midi. > >wow >you're coolIts a known bug. Access says it will be fixed in 4.0... you can fix the problem by doing a system reset and then just leave the setting alone, if you try and change it you will have the problem again until you do a system reset. Cheers, Gabe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sixten" To: Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2000 5:12 AM Subject: Knob Display >Hi there, > >The moment I upgraded from 3.0a to 3.0b my knob-Display function seems to be disfunctional. I try to set it to On, but as soon I confirm it, it sets >itself to Off-mode again. Is this a known bug ? Will it be fixed in the 4.0 version ? > >Thanks in advance for your help. > >Sixten > go for a MOTU MIDI Timepiece AV or MIDI Express XT or something. those are very easy to configure and have 8 ins/outs and in the case of the Timepiece also several syncing possibilities and the ability to function as a midi patchbay where you can configure the routing etc. via software. mine has been working out for me quite nicely. here is the website: www.motu.com good luck, SpecialKYou can always try: http://www.soundonsound.com I have been ordering various equipment from him and never have a problem. What makes him good is that he can get you anything from JAPAN for a steal. I have ordered from him an A3000/JP8080/A4000 and never get hassles. He only deals with bankdrafts, so you are protected by your bank, and he uses the best couriers. Give him a try for anything Japanese... cyber7 (aka Aubrey) ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaits a discussion for the bar i believe