Virus Indigo is gorgeous! Thanks, Mark. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comNorsez Orankijanan (03:25 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >Virus Indigo is gorgeous! Yeah, but what's with putting the wheels up high? Ugh... Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com Hia thanks for your reply, yeah it works through the computer, but I can choose between either the keyboard entering notes into the sequencer or having the virus transmit midi date depending on which is plugged into the in on the computer, if I have the virus plugged into the in on the compute rthe notes on the keyboard are not entered into the sequencer no matter what combination of midi leads I have used (though I was flying a little blind at the time). Unfortunately either way I am sending the Virus back. It breaks my heart but I have to do the sensible thing, I'm going to write a seperate message about this, Cheers, Ez "K.9 Kai Niggemann" wrote: >At 3:41 PM +0000 on 09.04.2000 Ez wrote: >>Sorry coz know this has been asked before, I've looked at the archives and couldn't find my answer. >>1 mac, 1 master keyboard, 1 virus. 2 midi interfaces (seperate modem and printer port), any solution to not being able to record midi data without buying a midi merger? >>Thanks, Ez > >That sounds like something is broken and like you need a replacement for the Midi interfaces maybe? > >But first check out all of this: > >is the Virus' Midi out connected to the Midi in of the computer? If it is check the Keyboard. Can you play the Virus through the computer? > >if you can, try the cable that you are using on the MIDI out of the keyboard and plug it into the midi out of the Virus. > >then check the Midi settings (in the CTRL Menu) if the Virus is not set to "local only". That would mean that no knob movements are transmitted. > >Check your software. Can you write controllers in there? Does it support controllers at all? (sorry but you didn't say which software you are using) > >hope to have gotten you on the right track... > >think different! > >Canine > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------Nightmare of nightmares! A while ago I posted a message about getting a Virus in the UK. Like an idiot, I couldn't wait for the 'official distributor' to get more supplies in so I went with the only other supplier who import them from Germany themselves. When it arrived it had no Warranty card, no manual, no polystyrene in the box (though maybe it's just the cardboard that's supposed to protect the sides??). Because of all the crap I'd been having with actually getting one in the first place, I decided I could live with this as when I phoned the dealer to complain he assured me a copy of the manual was on it's way,and that becuase it was imported they did all the repairs. BUT.....today I moved the Virus off the system as I was mixing down a track which didn't use it. I noticed the 'void' sticker was hanging off and I also noticed a screw wasn't in the virus all the way. It has to go back. I see no alternative. I bought it off a credit card so my purchase should be insured but I can just see them arguing that I've opened it and that they won't take it back. All I wanted was a Virus and I feel badly let down. I'm gutted, so it's more waiting, more arguing down the phone with Digital Village and I ain't happy. Turnkey may not know what the hell they are doing but at least they've got the proper package to send out. Does anybodyu know what I should have got in the official package? This is what I got... - A virus with cardboard sides to protect the wood (wood is scratched slightly on the inside though) - A power supply - That is it! This is one of the biggest suppliers in the UK, I cannot believe how shoddy it's all been, Anyway wish me luck, I;ll ring 'em tomorrow and do my damned hardest to get it sorted. Cheers, EzMark...you da man! Hey K9..... Na na na na na na na : ) weld Mark Pulver wrote: >*** >*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** > >(from a tip on The Gas Station) > >Start Here: > >http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html > >Click "Download" > >Look under "preliminary information" > >Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >New color > >Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space > >Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >This is the new stuff: >- Reverb >- Groove Delay >- Surround Sound capability >- External Effects Sends >- Random Patch Generator >- Sound Categories >- Direct FX >- Arpeggiator Patterns >- Advanced Distorion Mode > >:) > >Mark >________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.comIt's *just* what I've wanted in a Virus - the perfect size, and it looks trick! Can someone from Access confirm whether or not this is a fully-4.0 compatible synth? If so, I definitely want one the moment it is available here in the US - I have the $ right now for it... so when're we gonna see it here in the US?!! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Holy shit.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Marshall (blown away, absolutely speechless)>The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? Weld It worked for me. Mark already concluded the features of OS4 on the original so you didn't miss anything. I can't believe they actually add Reverb to the OS4. (I am guessing it's global like Delay though.) Thank Access in advance for new arpeggiator patterns and shuffle functions. I had a feeling they would have a patch randomizer in OS4 when I was writing my own, and it's become true. By the way, I don't know much about Surround Sound System. I thought it was like a 3D emulation thing. But Access just says any patch can be panned in 2D Space. Anybody educate me please. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? Weld It worked for me. Mark already concluded the features of OS4 on the original so you didn't miss anything. I can't believe they actually add Reverb to the OS4. (I am guessing it's global like Delay though.) Thank Access in advance for new arpeggiator patterns and shuffle functions. I had a feeling they would have a patch randomizer in OS4 when I was writing my own, and it's become true. By the way, I don't know much about Surround Sound System. I thought it was like a 3D emulation thing. But Access just says any patch can be panned in 2D Space. Anybody educate me please. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 3:59 PM -0700 on 09.04.2000 Jay Vaughan wrote: It's *just* what I've wanted in a Virus - the perfect size, and it looks trick! Can someone from Access confirm whether or not this is a fully-4.0 compatible synth? If so, I definitely want one the moment it is available here in the US - I have the $ right now for it... so when're we gonna see it here in the US?!! yes it is, it says so at the bottom of the OS 4 teaser pdf. (subject to change without notice...;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ bigw (07:13 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? It's just a 2 pager, with page 1 being the "cover". The meat isn't much more than I copied up... This is the direct link: http://www.access-music.de/files/docu/virus_os4.pdf heh-heh... They need to turn off directory browsing... There are other new files (posted or modified as of today) up there: http://www.access-music.de/files/docu/ Of most interest are that the controller and sysex specs were updated. Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? Weld Mark Pulver wrote: >*** >*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** > >(from a tip on The Gas Station) > >Start Here: > >http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html > >Click "Download" > >Look under "preliminary information" > >Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >New color > >Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space > >Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >This is the new stuff: >- Reverb >- Groove Delay >- Surround Sound capability >- External Effects Sends >- Random Patch Generator >- Sound Categories >- Direct FX >- Arpeggiator Patterns >- Advanced Distorion Mode > >:) > >Mark >________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.comJay Vaughan (03:59 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >It's *just* what I've wanted in a Virus - the perfect size, and it looks trick! That's kindofa funny statement to hear. :) Bob Moog took a lot of crap at Winter NAMM about his choice to run a "short" keyboard on his new machine, and put the wheels "up top" in order to save width. The wheels on Bob's machine have moved btw, but that's OT for this list. :) >Can someone from Access confirm whether or not this is a fully-4.0 compatible synth? The copy in the PDF says "Driven by the sheer power of the Virus kb 4.0 engine". Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com bigw (07:27 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >is the indigo just a 2 octave version of a Virus B 4.0? That what get out of it? 3 octave, and the cool look in aluminum and blue. I *think* the marketing angle is covered by the PDF patter of it being a "laptop based portable studio". Think Nord Modular keyboard. Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Pulver To: ; ; Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:25 AM Subject: New Virus Info > >*** >*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** > > >(from a tip on The Gas Station) > > >Start Here: > >http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html > >Click "Download" > >Look under "preliminary information" > >Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >New color > >Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space > >Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >This is the new stuff: >- Reverb >- Groove Delay >- Surround Sound capability >- External Effects Sends >- Random Patch Generator >- Sound Categories >- Direct FX >- Arpeggiator Patterns >- Advanced Distorion Mode > >:) > > >Mark >________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com > > Great god!!! I'm in heaven!!!!! The Indigo is the sexiest thing!!!! Can't wait!!!!! jon k.>Jay >it looks like a 2 octave Virus B 4.0 to me weld > Where did you learn how to count? :) ;)is the indigo just a 2 octave version of a Virus B 4.0? That what get out of it? weld Mark Pulver wrote: >bigw (07:13 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: > >>The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? > >It's just a 2 pager, with page 1 being the "cover". The meat isn't much more than I copied up... > >This is the direct link: > >http://www.access-music.de/files/docu/virus_os4.pdf > >heh-heh... They need to turn off directory browsing... There are other new files (posted or modified as of today) up there: > >http://www.access-music.de/files/docu/ > >Of most interest are that the controller and sysex specs were updated. > >Mark >________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com>There is a 'BIG' difference in a 3 or 5 oct keyboard when you're a little pressed for space, you can almost have two synths where normally one fitted. :) and that's *cool* imho. =) Which made me wonder.... would Clavia bring a Nord Modular with 5 oct keyboard and more knobs? ;) Bye, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysJay it looks like a 2 octave Virus B 4.0 to me weld Jay Vaughan wrote: >It's *just* what I've wanted in a Virus - the perfect size, and it looks trick! > >Can someone from Access confirm whether or not this is a fully-4.0 compatible synth? If so, I definitely want one the moment it is available here in the US - I have the $ right now for it... so when're we gonna see it here in the US?!! > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.htmlThere is a 'BIG' difference in a 3 or 5 oct keyboard when you're a little pressed for space, you can almost have two synths where normally one fitted. :) and that's *cool* imho. =) Mark Pulver wrote: >bigw (07:27 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: > >>is the indigo just a 2 octave version of a Virus B 4.0? That what get out of it? > >3 octave, and the cool look in aluminum and blue. > >I *think* the marketing angle is covered by the PDF patter of it being a "laptop based portable studio". > >Think Nord Modular keyboard. > >Markits working now, thx its all you guys looking at the same time!! : ) Weld mango wrote: >I could see it fine... if you want i can send it to you in an attachement. > >bigw wrote: > >>The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? Weld2, 3 whats the diference i use step time entry like vince Clarke : ) Weld mango wrote: >>Jay >>it looks like a 2 octave Virus B 4.0 to me weld >> > >Where did you learn how to count? :) > >;)Indigo -- $1795 1 space rack-- $995 4.0 ....free : ) weld Jon k. wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mark Pulver To: ; ; Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:25 AM >Subject: New Virus Info > >> >>*** >>*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** >> >> >>(from a tip on The Gas Station) >> >> >>Start Here: >> >>http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html >> >>Click "Download" >> >>Look under "preliminary information" >> >>Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >>New color >> >>Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >>A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space >> >>Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >>This is the new stuff: >>- Reverb >>- Groove Delay >>- Surround Sound capability >>- External Effects Sends >>- Random Patch Generator >>- Sound Categories >>- Direct FX >>- Arpeggiator Patterns >>- Advanced Distorion Mode >> >>:) >> >> >>Mark >>________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com >> >> >Great god!!! >I'm in heaven!!!!! >The Indigo is the sexiest thing!!!! >Can't wait!!!!! > >jon k.Joeri Vankeirsbilck (01:27 AM 04.10.2000) wrote: >>There is a 'BIG' difference in a 3 or 5 oct keyboard when you're a little pressed for space, you can almost have two synths where normally one fitted. :) and that's *cool* imho. =) > >Which made me wonder.... would Clavia bring a Nord Modular with 5 oct keyboard and more knobs? ;) I was just having this conversation privately, but, for the sake of it... IMO, Clavia has a *lot* of catching up to do in this playground. I have an NM Keyboard (LONG time owner) and love it - but. I personally won't be interested in any new Clavia product unless they figure out how to code up a filter with the wheeze dial set to something other than "6". The NM certainly has it's place for me, but the dang things sounds like a Nord - ALL THE TIME. You have to work at it to get it to come out from the bright bite Nord sound and be somewhere else. If "all" that Clavia did was basically turn up the DSP horsepower on the NM, and add some flat boilerplates to create an "Eee Zee" mode of patch creation (Minimoog sound path, Classic Nord Lead, Arp Quadra, OB-xa, etc) then that's not all that wild and wooly for me. We'll see... Clavia's page says that they will me announcing it in Frankfurt on the 12th, which is Wednesday. Mark __________________________________________________ Check out the Waldorf Q: http://www.midiwall.com/q Yah, I would think the nord mod and an Indigo next to each other might cause some orgasm's : ) weld mango wrote: >There is a 'BIG' difference in a 3 or 5 oct keyboard when you're a little pressed for space, you can almost have two synths where normally one fitted. :) and that's *cool* imho. =) > >Mark Pulver wrote: > >>bigw (07:27 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >> >>>is the indigo just a 2 octave version of a Virus B 4.0? That what get out of it? >> >>3 octave, and the cool look in aluminum and blue. >> >>I *think* the marketing angle is covered by the PDF patter of it being a "laptop based portable studio". >> >>Think Nord Modular keyboard. >> >>MarkI had to save the link as a PDF file and then view it in acrobat. Ez bigw wrote: >The 4.0 link/pdf isnt working for me, anyone else? Weld > >Mark Pulver wrote: > >>*** >>*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** >> >>(from a tip on The Gas Station) >> >>Start Here: >> >>http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html >> >>Click "Download" >> >>Look under "preliminary information" >> >>Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >>New color >> >>Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >>A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space >> >>Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >>This is the new stuff: >>- Reverb >>- Groove Delay >>- Surround Sound capability >>- External Effects Sends >>- Random Patch Generator >>- Sound Categories >>- Direct FX >>- Arpeggiator Patterns >>- Advanced Distorion Mode >> >>:) >> >>Mark >>________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.comWell I guess I know which one I'll be getting. LOL. OS update 4.0 :) Can't afford the Indigo, though I would've loved to have one and might've waited a month or two if it was only a hundred or two more than the Virus B Desktop version I just got less than a month ago. I wouldn't have to use my RM1x's non-velocity sensitive keys to input my notes then :( Looks like a beauty. Anybody wanna buy a Virus B when the Indigo comes out? Just kidding :) --wasted/su700fan On Sun, 09 Apr 2000 19:42:06 bigw wrote: >Indigo -- $1795 >1 space rack-- $995 >4.0 ....free : ) >weld --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >Virus Indigo is gorgeous! > YES! My virus b rack is now for sale. I must have the Indigo. Beautiful. If only the new arp. patterns could modulate parameters other than notes...Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in a couple of weeks and was considering going through Rogue. I've dealt w/ NovaMusik in the past and had a good experience but they don't sound like they're willing to price match on the Virus KB since they sell them as quickly as they get them in. It's about $100 difference between Rogue and NovaMusik. Let me know if you've got any horror stories... Thanks, JPJohn E. Potter (08:49 PM 04.09.2000) wrote: >Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in a couple of weeks and was considering going through Rogue. I've dealt w/ NovaMusik in the past and had a good experience but they don't sound like they're willing to price match on the Virus KB since they sell them as quickly as they get them in. It's about $100 difference between Rogue and NovaMusik. > >Let me know if you've got any horror stories... Rogue Music has been my exclusive dealer for everything from cables to a Q to a loaded VS-1680, (and yes a Virus B) for the last 4 years. Dick Michaels is the owner, and kicks butt in terms of customer support. http://www.roguemusic.com/ Dick Michaels, roguemus@ix.netcom.com You *will* find bad stories about Rogue, but they don't have Dick's name associated with them. They've always been attributable to the "drifting salesman of the week" or Rogue's tech guy (Armen). I've never questioned Rogue's prices. They are sometimes a bit higher than NovaMusik's or zZounds, but Dick always comes through when he says he will, he doesn't play delivery games, and he has on a number of occasions gone out of his way to find a piece of gear for me. Highly recommended. Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com I've bought quite a few items from Rogue Music over the last few years, both new and used synths. Everything I've purchased from them has been very painless and as advertised. My first Virus was purchased from Rogue several years ago when they first hit the USA. When it arrived and I had problems with it, they absolutely no problem with me shipping it back and replacing it. The second one actually came with a manual, even though it was a german one. :-) At 08:49 PM 4/9/00 -0400, you wrote: Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in how extreme are the settings of the filter(s) and the 'VCA' ? what's the maximum length of 'Release' for example ? Or if all values are turned up to the maximum. does it have real sync ? If yes, how does it work? (if that ain't too much to ask i hope) it has 62 spectral waves? will they be updated? can they be updated? (is there enough memory for them?) and last but not least :) have there been 'wave-updates' before ?>Hi Guy, > >>I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... > >Japanese vehicles are much better commodity cars. European cars might be correspondent to Macs... > > >Cheers, >Thomas Yep, perhaps a French vehicle? MuHAHAHAHA. ;) American Corvettes will blow away any production vehicle (at the same price) from Europe. But then again, Macs do cost more than Pc's, so maybe that isn't a fair comparison. Dan The Burke>Aubrey, > >[Re Mac vs PC discussion :] >>It takes up bandwidth and is a waste of time. People get sucked into a conversation I have seen million times over, and everytime it is by some jerk who can't make up his mind. > >Granted it is OT for the list, but Dan Burke is sensibly and honestly trying >to find some real information. Is he the person you are suggesting is a jerk? That is pretty objectively incorrect. > >Just so you know. > > >Cheers, >Thomas Thanks Thomas and Kintama, Yes I was infact trying to find out, from a musician, why they prefer a Mac over a PC, if that is the case. All jokes aside, that is still my goal. I just like to know stuff, I can't just by into Mac or PC hype. ;) Thanks guys for your kind support...I'm not all bad now am I? ;) Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com WwW.MP3.com/NukleoNguess you won't need to buy a reverb now ,after system 4.0 will be out you'll have one withing the virus!!! :-) On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Thomas Whitmore wrote: >Hi Anaya, > >[About some Behringer DSP1000P reverb :] >>Okay then, what the best reverb I can buy for less than $500. U.S. > >Lexicon MPX 100 is about US$ 249. >Lexicon MPX 1 is a dual model but costs more. > >Behringer has an international reputation for poor sound and low quality. > > >Cheers, >Thomas > Wow. God bless Access Music Electronics.make sure you've got the latest driver for the midi interface, the midi interface is almost always the problem (lots of other stuff gets blamed though) craig -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harding [mailto:mvh@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:34 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Help! Can't update OS, 4.0 coming! I'm new, sorry if this is a FAQ. I can't get 3.0b to load (I already have it, but I am testing). I always get a receive error or it stops some number of packets in, like 4, or 2, or as high as 35. I am using Cubase/24 VST, Midiman 4x4/s, AMD K6-3 400 on an ASUS TX-97 board. I have tried a lot of things, including pulling the dongle off and running Jazz++, and changing the parallel port to run in every mode. Same symptoms every time. Help! Thanks, Mike HardingI'm new, sorry if this is a FAQ. I can't get 3.0b to load (I already have it, but I am testing). I always get a receive error or it stops some number of packets in, like 4, or 2, or as high as 35. I am using Cubase/24 VST, Midiman 4x4/s, AMD K6-3 400 on an ASUS TX-97 board. I have tried a lot of things, including pulling the dongle off and running Jazz++, and changing the parallel port to run in every mode. Same symptoms every time. Help! Thanks, Mike Hardingalso try to change the speed play or use another program to play the midi file ,i managed to make it work only with windows media player.... On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 Woodcroft@ali.com.au wrote: >make sure you've got the latest driver for the midi interface, the midi interface is almost always the problem (lots of other stuff gets blamed though) > > >craig > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Harding [mailto:mvh@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:34 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Help! Can't update OS, 4.0 coming! > > > >I'm new, sorry if this is a FAQ. I can't get 3.0b to load (I already have it, but I am testing). I always get a receive error or it stops some number of packets in, like 4, or 2, or as high as 35. I am using Cubase/24 VST, Midiman 4x4/s, AMD K6-3 400 on an ASUS TX-97 board. I have tried a lot of things, including pulling the dongle off and running Jazz++, and changing the parallel port to run in every mode. Same symptoms every time. Help! > >Thanks, > >Mike Harding Oh, I have the latest driver, even though it's two years old. Mostly I am trying to find out if I have a 'cursed' interface, even though it seems to work fine for everything else and can download the patches just fine. Just not OS updates. :( I could always buy a cheapie interface I guess, for my SB-16 - the 4x4/s is an expensive interface! 4 in, 4 out, and SMPTE time generator from the parallel port. I did see some traffic in the archives about problems, but no solutions, so I was just checking for 'the common wisdom'. - Mike H. Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com From: Woodcroft@ali.com.au Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:25:40 +1000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: access-list-return-2522-mvh=ix.netcom.com@teklab.com X-RULES: lists make sure you've got the latest driver for the midi interface, the midi interface is almost always the problem (lots of other stuff gets blamed though) craig -----Original Message----- From: Mike Harding [mailto:mvh@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:34 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Help! Can't update OS, 4.0 coming! I'm new, sorry if this is a FAQ. I can't get 3.0b to load (I already have it, but I am testing). I always get a receive error or it stops some number of packets in, like 4, or 2, or as high as 35. I am using Cubase/24 VST, Midiman 4x4/s, AMD K6-3 400 on an ASUS TX-97 board. I have tried a lot of things, including pulling the dongle off and running Jazz++, and changing the parallel port to run in every mode. Same symptoms every time. Help! Thanks, Mike HardingYep, also tried dropping down to Tempo of 30 BPM. There still seems to be lots of data coming in, though... any way to 're-tempoize' sysex in Cubase? - Mike H. Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2000 06:51:12 +0200 (IST) From: Eli Vaitzman Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: access-list-return-2523-mvh=ix.netcom.com@teklab.com X-RULES: lists also try to change the speed play or use another program to play the midi file ,i managed to make it work only with windows media player.... On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 Woodcroft@ali.com.au wrote: >make sure you've got the latest driver for the midi interface, the midi interface is almost always the problem (lots of other stuff gets blamed though) > > >craig > >-----Original Message----- >From: Mike Harding [mailto:mvh@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:34 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Help! Can't update OS, 4.0 coming! > > > >I'm new, sorry if this is a FAQ. I can't get 3.0b to load (I already have it, but I am testing). I always get a receive error or it stops some number of packets in, like 4, or 2, or as high as 35. I am using Cubase/24 VST, Midiman 4x4/s, AMD K6-3 400 on an ASUS TX-97 board. I have tried a lot of things, including pulling the dongle off and running Jazz++, and changing the parallel port to run in every mode. Same symptoms every time. Help! > >Thanks, > >Mike Harding on 4/9/2000 11:54 PM, Gabe at gfg202@is8.nyu.edu wrote: >Wow. God bless Access Music Electronics. Just when I thought I was ready to blow my money on the XTk. Now this? Where do I send my check? --JBytesChristoph, Will the Indigo have more future expandability than the Kb or the B? or is it identical internally? I'm selling my A this month, and curious if I should hold back from purchasing the B model because I might miss out on the upgradablity with OS's as compared to the Indigo or the Kb. (Worse yet, to get the funds I need for the Indigo or the Kb, I'd have to sell the Kawai K5000s I have... hate to do that.) Assuming they are internally identical, my goal is to purchase the Virus with the longest life expectancy. My gut says you have the same hardware inside the B, Kb, and Indigo and none of them better than the next so I needn't worry. Other questions... (if your busy, or tired of people asking about features before they are finalized, don't bother answer this I will understand.) What kinda polyphony will be left if you use the reverb (especially if you use it with 4 Osc patches that would already pull the polyphony down 6 voices)? I'm curious about the new arpeggiator stuff in 4.0. I'd love to hear some "preliminary download MP3's" thus far too ;-) Have Fun, Kintama PS I LOVE the look of the Indigo - way cool! Blue LEDs are nice. I would love to see a matching LED display instead of Indi-glo back-lit LCD. I would LOVE this new techno sorta look in a 5 octave model, and desktop (B) model!!! Nice Work !Mike, You may indeed have a "cursed interface" (which seems to be an inexplicable incompatibility between your midi interface and your hardware). I have the exact same problem with my MOTU midi express xt and my current computer (OS updates used to work fine with the MOTU on my old computer--go figure)... the solution I found was to do the OS dump using the interface on my soundcard, which works perfectly for this function (I thought you mentioned a soundblaster so you can certainly do this too). Cheers, Gabe>Just when I thought I was ready to blow my money on the XTk. Now this? Where do I send my check? Do you have a virus already? I have both the MicrowaveXT and the Virus b, and if I had to choose only one, the waldorf would be the one I kicked to the curb. On the other hand, I'd rather have both the XT and the Virus b rather than the Virus b and the Indigo. But I think I must buy the Indigo for my girlfriend. ;-)The new OS 4 features sound FANTASTIC -- I am just amazed at the magic you guys keep pulling off! And the Indigo picture is BEAUTIFUL. Are those really blue LEDs? Yummmm. 8-) Oooh, I wanna try out those new Arpeggiator features.. OK I'll stop slobbering now. -RussOhhh good idea!!! I'd like to play with that. Kintama >On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: > >>Virus Indigo is gorgeous! >> > >YES! My virus b rack is now for sale. I must have the Indigo. Beautiful. > >If only the new arp. patterns could modulate parameters other than notes... > > >From the list... >>Virus Indigo is gorgeous! > >Yeah, but what's with putting the wheels up high? Hahahaa, Christoph, my dream came true!!!!! If only I could get one before April 20th I could use it for my latest concert! Any chance I could swap my Kb for one? Paul P.S. I found a way to reproduce my "patch freezes in memory" bug - it happens most often (OK, three times in total) by holding the Single button and spinning the value knob. Sometimes (not sure why) the movement through the patches is very jerky and the original patch remains frozen in memory. Might help you trace it? P.P.S. NICE WORK! ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Live Performance April 22nd 2000 Jodrell Bank planetarium see http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk for details.Hey Mark, I jus got the news, and I'm dying to see whats new! I cannot however get the info from following your link, or logging on to Access page either. Did they sniff out the discovery and pull it down or something? Help! RThanx, Brooks From: Mark Pulver Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de Subject: New Virus Info Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:25:31 -0500 *** *** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** (from a tip on The Gas Station) Start Here: http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html Click "Download" Look under "preliminary information" Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] New color Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] This is the new stuff: - Reverb - Groove Delay - Surround Sound capability - External Effects Sends - Random Patch Generator - Sound Categories - Direct FX - Arpeggiator Patterns - Advanced Distorion Mode :) Mark ________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Where must I go to get info about the Virus-'INDIGO' ---------- From: brooks rongstad Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 2:29 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: New Virus Info Hey Mark, I jus got the news, and I'm dying to see whats new! I cannot however get the info from following your link, or logging on to Access page either. Did they sniff out the discovery and pull it down or something? Help! RThanx, BrooksLooks like they did indeed remove the links... For a limited time only (ie. may get pulled down at any time) check: http://web.tampabay.rr.com/jep3/virus_info.htm JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "brooks rongstad" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 8:29 AM Subject: Re: New Virus Info > >Hey Mark, >I jus got the news, and I'm dying to see whats new! I cannot however get the >info from following your link, or logging on to Access page either. Did they >sniff out the discovery and pull it down or something? Help! > >RThanx, >Brooks >>From: Mark Pulver Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de >>Subject: New Virus Info >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:25:31 -0500 >> >> >>*** >>*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** >> >> >>(from a tip on The Gas Station) >> >> >>Start Here: >> >>http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html >> >>Click "Download" >> >>Look under "preliminary information" >> >>Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >>New color >> >>Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >>A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space >> >>Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >>This is the new stuff: >>- Reverb >>- Groove Delay >>- Surround Sound capability >>- External Effects Sends >>- Random Patch Generator >>- Sound Categories >>- Direct FX >>- Arpeggiator Patterns >>- Advanced Distorion Mode >> >>:) >> >> >>Mark >>________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com >> > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > hi.all All three .pdf files + INDIFO picture are now placed on http://envelope.underground.sk/data/ sorry not INDIFO but INDIGO :o) ----- Original Message ----- From: Envelope Generator To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 4:01 PM Subject: Info about new products hi.all All three .pdf files + INDIFO picture are now placed on http://envelope.underground.sk/data/ Any chance of getting some of these features in a newer OS for the older Virus A....? Acces?? Quoting Russ Magee : >The new OS 4 features sound FANTASTIC -- I am just amazed at the magic you guys keep pulling off! And the Indigo picture is BEAUTIFUL. Are those really >blue LEDs? Yummmm. 8-) > >Oooh, I wanna try out those new Arpeggiator features.. > >OK I'll stop slobbering now. > >-Russ I don't think the CPU on the Virus 'A' is possible of running anything else, hence why they made a 'B'... B -----Original Message----- From: Chrono [mailto:erol@xs4all.nl] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 10:30 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: WOW!! THANK YOU ACCESS! Any chance of getting some of these features in a newer OS for the older Virus A....? Acces?? Quoting Russ Magee : >The new OS 4 features sound FANTASTIC -- I am just amazed at the magic you guys keep pulling off! And the Indigo picture is BEAUTIFUL. Are those really >blue LEDs? Yummmm. 8-) > >Oooh, I wanna try out those new Arpeggiator features.. > >OK I'll stop slobbering now. > >-Russ On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Kintama wrote: >Ohhh good idea!!! I'd like to play with that. > >Kintama > > >>On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >> >>>Virus Indigo is gorgeous! >>> >> >>YES! My virus b rack is now for sale. I must have the Indigo. Beautiful. >> >>If only the new arp. patterns could modulate parameters other than notes... >> >> (At the risk of not sounding appreciative... :) Here is what I think would be good idea: the arp patterns (or even better user-patterns!) are only thought of as an array of value adjustments... Step: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Value: +2 -2 +8 +8 +2 -2 +4 -4 +8 -8 +2 +2 -4 +4 -2 +8 +2 Normally, the Values are adjusting the note number, but you could have four "rows" going at once with each "row" mapped to a different "controller". Row 1: note ---> Pattern 11 Row 2: velocity ---> Pattern 43 Row 3: Cutoff ---> Pattern 2 Row 4: Decay ---> Pattern 12 You could also have a multiplier value (x10, x20, x30 etc. (and divide by 10, etc as well) so that you could effectivly use patterns that where geared toward notes for controllers (which in most cases would require more drastic value changes from step to step). Each row would also have a "resolution" value (like the current arp.) so you could determine if each step was a 16th note, 8th note, whole note, etc. With this functionality you could find many different possiblities. I would assume one would have certain patterns stored that where for melodic arp/sequence lines and others geared toward controller control. However with the multiplier and resolution values you could randomly mix patterns and then adept the with the multiplier and resolution controls to have new patterns that you might not have found before.Bryan Rodgers wrote: >I don't think the CPU on the Virus 'A' is possible of running anything else, hence why they made a 'B'... > The two processors are the same, it's just the clock that changed from 66 MHz (Virus A) to 80 MHz (Virus B). KasparMy original plan was to get both the Virus B and the Waldorf XTk [why do I always want to type Waldork?]. But then, I decided maybe I should get my virtual analog from the Pro-Five VST plug-in, and get the XTk. The keyboard size was a factor in my decision. Well, thanks to the Indigo, I think I'm going to have to revise those plans. I have a feeling that I'll end up with the Indigo and the XT tabletop instead. Both will fit quite nicely on my desk - with room to spare. --JBytes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gabe" To: Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:51 AM Subject: Re: Virus Indigo/OS 4.0 >>Just when I thought I was ready to blow my money on the XTk. Now this? Where do I send my check? > >Do you have a virus already? I have both the MicrowaveXT and the Virus b, and if I had to choose only one, the waldorf would be the one I kicked to the curb. On the other hand, I'd rather have both the XT and the Virus b rather than the Virus b and the Indigo. But I think I must buy the Indigo for my girlfriend. ;-) > face it. the virus a is history. -----Original Message----- From: Chrono [mailto:erol@xs4all.nl] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:30 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: WOW!! THANK YOU ACCESS! Any chance of getting some of these features in a newer OS for the older Virus A....? Acces?? Quoting Russ Magee : >The new OS 4 features sound FANTASTIC -- I am just amazed at the magic you guys keep pulling off! And the Indigo picture is BEAUTIFUL. Are those really >blue LEDs? Yummmm. 8-) > >Oooh, I wanna try out those new Arpeggiator features.. > >OK I'll stop slobbering now. > >-Russ Nice work!!!!!!! I'm already saving for it! big ups ! ~droid~Oh, God! Now I gotta sell my practically new Virus B. The Indigo looks Stellar... I love the idea of being able to program sounds on my Virus B with a little 3 octave keyboard to trigger from. Damn, that color scheme is sexy too... Rick >Nice work!!!!!!! >I'm already saving for it! >big ups ! >~droid~>On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Kintama wrote: > >>Ohhh good idea!!! I'd like to play with that. >> >>Kintama >> >> >>>On Sun, 9 Apr 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >>> >>>>Virus Indigo is gorgeous! >>>> >>> >>>YES! My virus b rack is now for sale. I must have the Indigo. Beautiful. >>> >>>If only the new arp. patterns could modulate parameters other than notes... >>> >>> > >(At the risk of not sounding appreciative... :) > >Here is what I think would be good idea: > >the arp patterns (or even better user-patterns!) are only thought of as an array of value adjustments... > >Step: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 Value: +2 -2 +8 +8 +2 -2 +4 -4 +8 -8 +2 +2 -4 +4 -2 +8 +2 > >Normally, the Values are adjusting the note number, but you could have four "rows" going at once with each "row" mapped to a different "controller". > > >Row 1: note ---> Pattern 11 >Row 2: velocity ---> Pattern 43 >Row 3: Cutoff ---> Pattern 2 >Row 4: Decay ---> Pattern 12 > >You could also have a multiplier value (x10, x20, x30 etc. (and divide by 10, etc as well) so >that you could effectivly use patterns that where geared toward notes for controllers (which in most cases would require more drastic value changes from step to step). > >Each row would also have a "resolution" value (like the current arp.) so you could determine if each step was a 16th note, 8th note, whole note, etc. > >With this functionality you could find many different possiblities. I would assume one would have certain patterns stored that where for melodic arp/sequence lines and others geared toward controller control. However with the multiplier and resolution values you could randomly mix patterns and then adept the with the multiplier and resolution controls to have new patterns that you might not have found before. > > > > wouldn't this just about kill the main feature set of the Quasimidi Polymorph? (I love the sound and sequencer of that thing from what I've heard... haven't played with it.) Have Fun, KintamaHmmmm how hard is it to put a new clock in the A? I can work a solder sucker and gun. (last thing Christoph wanted people to talk about I bet hehehe) have fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Kaspar Thommen To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 7:56 AM Subject: Re: WOW!! THANK YOU ACCESS! >Bryan Rodgers wrote: > >>I don't think the CPU on the Virus 'A' is possible of running anything else, >>hence why they made a 'B'... >> > >The two processors are the same, it's just the clock that changed from 66 MHz >(Virus A) to 80 MHz (Virus B). > >Kaspar > Hmmm - I seem to have intermittent hardware problems with my interface. Sorry to bother everybody... Thanks, Mike H.Damn I'm glad I waited and didn't upgrade to the Virus B. Indigo here I come! But when When WHEN?????? I feel so teased... -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: big ups Access! Author: Non-HP-supercow (supercow@swbell.net) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/10/00 9:03 AM Oh, God! Now I gotta sell my practically new Virus B. The Indigo looks Stellar... I love the idea of being able to program sounds on my Virus B with a little 3 octave keyboard to trigger from. Damn, that color scheme is sexy too... Rick >Nice work!!!!!!! >I'm already saving for it! >big ups ! >~droid~>OS4, indigo: Oh, God! pssst, .... we should stop this uninhibited praise for the time being, otherwise it will be too difficult for Access staying humble :-))) OOoooohhhhhh - do we really get this free sound diver OEM for the virus family? Steffen.What exactly is this "Groove" Delay in 4.0? What I think would be *ultra* cool is if there were a multi-tap delay, and you can program the delay intervals (say, in a 6-tap Delay) by hitting a key. I.e. I could set up to 6 delay 'points' by pressing a key, and the amp of each delay is set by velocity sensitivity... this then gets translated into delay settings applicable for the whole voice. Dunno if this is feasible enough, but I got to thinking about what "Groove" delay is all about, and it made my mind wander ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >>OS4, indigo: Oh, God! >pssst, .... we should stop this uninhibited praise for the time being, otherwise it will be too difficult for Access staying humble :-))) > Ok, I'll give one added wish: a ribbon controller on the Indigo. But I'll take it the way it is :) WHEN? WHEN? WHEN? :)At 12:40 PM 04/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>OS4, indigo: Oh, God! >pssst, .... we should stop this uninhibited praise for the time being, otherwise it will be too difficult for Access staying humble :-))) > Ok, I'll give one added wish: a ribbon controller on the Indigo. But I'll take it the way it is :) They can't add a ribbon controller without paying a large licensing fee to Yamaha, I believe, as its patented technology ... At least, thats what I seem to remember reading in some synth book a few years ago. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html I'm afraid I know nothing about the equipment you're using, but the Virus KB with OS 3.0a seems to follow sequencer tempo changes from my Ensoniq ASR-10 just fine. Is there a separate MIDI message for tempo changes? (Hmm, seems I need to dig out that MIDI book I bought years ago...) -Russ Bob Frye wrote: > >Ok... I'm going to post this question again... I'd sure appreciate some help on this... > >I'm sending MIDI clock to the Virus A and to a Yamaha drum machine from a Kurzweil ExpressionMate. The Virus is set to Auto-read Ext MIDI clock. The display shows a little "c" up next to the MIDI channel number on the LCD, so I know it's seeing MIDI clock. But when I adjust the MIDI clock tempo on the ExpressionMate, the Virus Arpeggiator DOES NOT follow the change in tempo/ext clock... (The drum machine does change tempo with any changes in MIDI clock it sees from the Kurzweil. > >I'm at a loss on this, especially since in the past I've had no problem having the Virus arpeggiator follow external MIDI clock... but not this time! > >Should I try a system reset? Am I overlooking something really obvious? > >Please fellow Virus owners, how about a little help here? Thanks in Advance! > >Bobis anyone working on a patch programing front-end for the Virus B based series and if so will it be upgraded to OS 4? And is this for the Mac or PC? I been using the V.V.E. on the mac and I REALLY love using it... been learning lots, and actually lots more cuz I run it with a waveform/vectorscope for the mac to see visually what I'm doing. (my brain is more visual.) As a result of these two programs on the mac I've gotten some pretty cool pads and wild patterny things. Is Access working on a front end for Mac or PC? have fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Oliver To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:38 AM Subject: Thanks to norsez >For the patch randomizer , will try it this moment . > >Damn , i believe (nah , im sure )you cant own a synth without writing an application for it ;) > >cheers > >Oli > christoph, hope we will see this arp addons in our virus a too??!!! bye torsten The Indigo/OS4.0 info at Access is up again. /SwampMan Does anyone else find the Access page mad slow and/or impossible to load? -----Original Message----- From: SwampMan [mailto:swampman@telia.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:55 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Info on Access homepage The Indigo/OS4.0 info at Access is up again. /SwampManyup! -----Original Message----- From: Phillips, Adrian [mailto:Adrian_Phillips@CalPERS.CA.GOV] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:58 PM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: RE: Info on Access homepage Importance: Low Does anyone else find the Access page mad slow and/or impossible to load? -----Original Message----- From: SwampMan [mailto:swampman@telia.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:55 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Info on Access homepage The Indigo/OS4.0 info at Access is up again. /SwampManFor the patch randomizer , will try it this moment . Damn , i believe (nah , im sure )you cant own a synth without writing an application for it ;) cheers Olithat would be a fucking wonderful feature, definitely........hopefully thats what they mean :) tom Jay Vaughan wrote: > >What exactly is this "Groove" Delay in 4.0? > >What I think would be *ultra* cool is if there were a multi-tap delay, and you can program the delay intervals (say, in a 6-tap Delay) by hitting a key. > >I.e. I could set up to 6 delay 'points' by pressing a key, and the amp of each delay is set by velocity sensitivity... this then gets translated into delay settings applicable for the whole voice. > >Dunno if this is feasible enough, but I got to thinking about what "Groove" delay is all about, and it made my mind wander ... > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html -- Oh Beauty! Long did I love thee, long did I pursue thee, thee elusive, thee intangible! And lo! thou enfoldest me by night and day in the arms of gracious, of luxurious, of shimmering silence.--- Jay Vaughan wrote: >What exactly is this "Groove" Delay in 4.0? I hope it's practically, X0X style "Shuffle" function. norsez > >What I think would be *ultra* cool is if there were a multi-tap delay, and >you can program the delay intervals (say, in a 6-tap Delay) by hitting a key. > >I.e. I could set up to 6 delay 'points' by pressing a key, and the amp of >each delay is set by velocity sensitivity... this then gets translated into >delay settings applicable for the whole voice. > >Dunno if this is feasible enough, but I got to thinking about what "Groove" >delay is all about, and it made my mind wander ... > > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | >jay@teklab.com >TekLab | >http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] >IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : >http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comJust fink, mate. how cool will that look - And you woun't ware out the keys :)) ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaThe Virus Rack pdf file says the box features a dedicated drum map. Hope this is true for all OS4 compatible Virus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAll ye dudes with the VIRUS-a's out there, don't dispare. I think the company (ACCESS) have kept you in mind with the new release of products. First of all, look at the spec of the VIRUS-rack. Now there is a system that I can see is going to flood the market like a house on fire. It looks (From the spec) as if this could be (Yes, wait for it) a VIRUS-a clone, which means that it looks like the VIRUS-a and the VIRUS-rack will hold as the same OS. (I think...) In any case, I think that this unit will find itself in more and more 'cover' artists stage racks. Ye'll all see, over the next few years the VIRUS as a 'sound' is going to find itself in EVERYTHING!!! well, that is my 10c... ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.za--- Kaspar Thommen wrote: >The two processors are the same, it's just the clock that changed from 66 MHz >(Virus A) to 80 MHz (Virus B). Kaspar, but the clock speed is (almost) the only thing that makes processors different. Get the Indigo series then, my hunch is that Access learnt from this a->b problem, they are going to make the Indigo series expandable (additional DSP boards?). Just the change in looks doesn't make sense for those smart guys at Access. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comThe Virus Rack pdf file says the box features a dedicated drum map. Hope this is true for all OS4 compatible Virus. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comOn Mon, 10 Apr 2000 09:04:31 -0700, "Kintama" wrote: >wouldn't this just about kill the main feature set of the Quasimidi Polymorph? (I love the sound and sequencer of that thing from what I've heard... haven't played with it.) No, because the Polymorph scores by having a dedicated (if wobbly and cheap) control surface for its sequencers. Paul --- Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music email: paul@softroom.co.uk web: www.softroom.co.uk --- Latest CD "Lore" available from www.neuharm.demon.co.ukWhat's a drummap? Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >The Virus Rack pdf file says the box features a dedicated drum map. Hope this is true for all OS4 compatible Virus. > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? - Nope :) >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comsorry if this has been asked recently, I just subbed to the list. anyone know if the indigo is the same engine/knobs/etc/ as the virus kb? I was confused cause it seemed like they used the same os (which would mean its the same thing then right?, just cosmetics and kb size) if so, are they discontinuing the kb? thanks -djit was off the page for a while this morning its back now weld brooks rongstad wrote: >Hey Mark, >I jus got the news, and I'm dying to see whats new! I cannot however get the info from following your link, or logging on to Access page either. Did they sniff out the discovery and pull it down or something? Help! > >RThanx, >Brooks >>From: Mark Pulver Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com, analogue@hyperreal.org, user-forum@waldorf-gmbh.de >>Subject: New Virus Info >>Date: Sun, 09 Apr 2000 17:25:31 -0500 >> >> >>*** >>*** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies *** >> >> >>(from a tip on The Gas Station) >> >> >>Start Here: >> >>http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html >> >>Click "Download" >> >>Look under "preliminary information" >> >>Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] >>New color >> >>Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] >>A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space >> >>Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] >>This is the new stuff: >>- Reverb >>- Groove Delay >>- Surround Sound capability >>- External Effects Sends >>- Random Patch Generator >>- Sound Categories >>- Direct FX >>- Arpeggiator Patterns >>- Advanced Distorion Mode >> >>:) >> >> >>Mark >>________________________________________________________________ Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com >> > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comit's always r-e-a-l-l-y slow...any time of day, any time of year... B -----Original Message----- From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:26 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Info on Access homepage its because where all there for the sake of others download and save the PDF's ? Weld Bryan Rodgers wrote: >yup! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phillips, Adrian [mailto:Adrian_Phillips@CalPERS.CA.GOV] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:58 PM >To: 'access-list@teklab.com' >Subject: RE: Info on Access homepage >Importance: Low > >Does anyone else find the Access page mad slow and/or impossible to load? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: SwampMan [mailto:swampman@telia.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:55 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Info on Access homepage > >The Indigo/OS4.0 info at Access is up again. > >/SwampManThe AccessA memory is almost completely used up, and there may be one last minor update last I heard Weld Kaspar Thommen wrote: >Bryan Rodgers wrote: > >>I don't think the CPU on the Virus 'A' is possible of running anything else, hence why they made a 'B'... >> > >The two processors are the same, it's just the clock that changed from 66 MHz (Virus A) to 80 MHz (Virus B). > >KasparAre you talking about suggested retail price? Why would you presume the Indigo to be pricier than the kB ($1,695)? * -----Original Message----- * From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] * Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 4:42 PM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: New List Price Guessing * * * Indigo -- $1795 * 1 space rack-- $995 * 4.0 ....free : ) * weld * * Jon k. wrote: * * > ----- Original Message ----- * > From: Mark Pulver * > To: ; ; * * > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:25 AM * > Subject: New Virus Info * > * > > * > > *** * > > *** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies * > > *** * > > * > > * > > (from a tip on The Gas Station) * > > * > > * > > Start Here: * > > * > > http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html * > > * > > Click "Download" * > > * > > Look under "preliminary information" * > > * > > Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] * > > New color * > > * > > Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] * > > A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space * > > * > > Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] * > > This is the new stuff: * > > - Reverb * > > - Groove Delay * > > - Surround Sound capability * > > - External Effects Sends * > > - Random Patch Generator * > > - Sound Categories * > > - Direct FX * > > - Arpeggiator Patterns * > > - Advanced Distorion Mode * > > * > > :) * > > * > > * > > Mark * > > ________________________________________________________________ * > > Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com * > > * > > * > Great god!!! * > I'm in heaven!!!!! * > The Indigo is the sexiest thing!!!! * > Can't wait!!!!! * > * > jon k. * * *be prepared for latency issues on ANY computer with softsynths The model E sounds absolutely fantastic but is a processor hog, as I guess pro 5 will be as well Weld Jaeh Bytes wrote: >My original plan was to get both the Virus B and the Waldorf XTk [why do I always want to type Waldork?]. But then, I decided maybe I should get my virtual analog from the Pro-Five VST plug-in, and get the XTk. The keyboard size was a factor in my decision. Well, thanks to the Indigo, I think I'm going to have to revise those plans. I have a feeling that I'll end up with the Indigo and the XT tabletop instead. Both will fit quite nicely on my desk - with room to spare. > >--JBytes > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gabe" >To: >Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 1:51 AM >Subject: Re: Virus Indigo/OS 4.0 > >>>Just when I thought I was ready to blow my money on the XTk. Now this? Where do I send my check? >> >>Do you have a virus already? I have both the MicrowaveXT and the Virus b, and if I had to choose only one, the waldorf would be the one I kicked to the curb. On the other hand, I'd rather have both the XT and the Virus b rather than the Virus b and the Indigo. But I think I must buy the Indigo for my girlfriend. ;-) >> might be worthwhile if access were to also come out with a rackmount B Indigo ? weld Rick Reyes wrote: >Oh, God! Now I gotta sell my practically new Virus B. The Indigo looks Stellar... I love the idea of being able to program sounds on my Virus B with a little 3 octave keyboard to trigger from. Damn, that color scheme is sexy too... > >Rick > >>Nice work!!!!!!! >>I'm already saving for it! >>big ups ! >>~droid~you could try a Korg Kaoss pad, or the kurzweil ribbon controller ? weld robotfarm@scout.phpwebhosting.com wrote: > > >Ok, I'll give one added wish: a ribbon controller on the Indigo. But I'll take it the way it is :) > >WHEN? >WHEN? >WHEN? > >:)its because where all there for the sake of others download and save the PDF's ? Weld Bryan Rodgers wrote: >yup! > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phillips, Adrian [mailto:Adrian_Phillips@CalPERS.CA.GOV] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:58 PM >To: 'access-list@teklab.com' >Subject: RE: Info on Access homepage >Importance: Low > >Does anyone else find the Access page mad slow and/or impossible to load? > > >-----Original Message----- >From: SwampMan [mailto:swampman@telia.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 9:55 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Info on Access homepage > >The Indigo/OS4.0 info at Access is up again. > >/SwampManThere is no way in hell the indigo will be pricier than the kb. Its the exact same thing but it has less keys.At 05:28 PM 04/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: There is no way in hell the indigo will be pricier than the kb. Its the exact same thing but it has less keys. Yeah but it has *blue* LED's, and everyone knows those are more expensive than red ones. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html less wood too ;) B -----Original Message----- From: Gabe G [mailto:gfg202@is8.nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:29 PM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: RE: New List Price Guessing There is no way in hell the indigo will be pricier than the kb. Its the exact same thing but it has less keys.In my case, I get more wood when I see the Virus Indigo... :) j. At 05:31 PM 04/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: less wood too ;) B -----Original Message----- From: Gabe G [mailto:gfg202@is8.nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:29 PM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: RE: New List Price Guessing There is no way in hell the indigo will be pricier than the kb. Its the exact same thing but it has less keys. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >Yeah but it has *blue* LED's, and everyone knows those are more expensive than red ones. Oh shoot, I forgot about that, plus its silver, and everyone knows that its more expensive to polish aluminum than to paint it black. Guess the indigo will come in at around $5,000 ;-) hey hey now, there are kids of all ages on here, let's keep this 'G' rated ;) B -----Original Message----- From: Jay Vaughan [mailto:jay@teklab.com] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:32 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: RE: New List Price Guessing In my case, I get more wood when I see the Virus Indigo... :) j. At 05:31 PM 04/10/2000 -0400, you wrote: >less wood too ;) > >B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gabe G [mailto:gfg202@is8.nyu.edu] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 5:29 PM >To: 'access-list@teklab.com' >Subject: RE: New List Price Guessing > > >There is no way in hell the indigo will be pricier than the kb. Its the exact same thing but it has less keys. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.htmlthe kbd lists for $2295 Phillips, Adrian wrote: >Are you talking about suggested retail price? > >Why would you presume the Indigo to be pricier than the kB ($1,695)? > >* -----Original Message----- >* From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] * Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 4:42 PM >* To: access-list@teklab.com >* Subject: New List Price Guessing >* >* >* Indigo -- $1795 >* 1 space rack-- $995 >* 4.0 ....free : ) >* weld >* >* Jon k. wrote: >* >* > ----- Original Message ----- >* > From: Mark Pulver * > To: ; ; * >* > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:25 AM * > Subject: New Virus Info >* > >* > > >* > > *** >* > > *** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies * > > *** >* > > >* > > >* > > (from a tip on The Gas Station) >* > > >* > > >* > > Start Here: >* > > >* > > http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html * > > >* > > Click "Download" >* > > >* > > Look under "preliminary information" * > > >* > > Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] * > > New color >* > > >* > > Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] * > > A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space >* > > >* > > Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] * > > This is the new stuff: >* > > - Reverb >* > > - Groove Delay >* > > - Surround Sound capability >* > > - External Effects Sends >* > > - Random Patch Generator >* > > - Sound Categories >* > > - Direct FX >* > > - Arpeggiator Patterns >* > > - Advanced Distorion Mode >* > > >* > > :) >* > > >* > > >* > > Mark >* > > ________________________________________________________________ * > > Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com >* > > >* > > >* > Great god!!! >* > I'm in heaven!!!!! >* > The Indigo is the sexiest thing!!!! * > Can't wait!!!!! >* > >* > jon k. >* >* >*That's why I asked. A list price for the Indigo might be 1800. Street price for this thing should be around 1400-1500 USD. Of course this is ignoring the ubercool "blueness" premium. * -----Original Message----- * From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] * Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 3:08 PM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Re: New List Price Guessing * * * the kbd lists for $2295 * * Phillips, Adrian wrote: * * > Are you talking about suggested retail price? * > * > Why would you presume the Indigo to be pricier than the kB ($1,695)? * > * > * -----Original Message----- * > * From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] * > * Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 4:42 PM * > * To: access-list@teklab.com * > * Subject: New List Price Guessing * > * * > * * > * Indigo -- $1795 * > * 1 space rack-- $995 * > * 4.0 ....free : ) * > * weld * > * * > * Jon k. wrote: * > * * > * > ----- Original Message ----- * > * > From: Mark Pulver * > * > To: ; ; * > * * > * > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 12:25 AM * > * > Subject: New Virus Info * > * > * > * > > * > * > > *** * > * > > *** THIS IS A CROSS-POSTED MESSAGE. Please watch your replies * > * > > *** * > * > > * > * > > * > * > > (from a tip on The Gas Station) * > * > > * > * > > * > * > > Start Here: * > * > > * > * > > http://www.access-music.de/pages/index2.html * > * > > * > * > > Click "Download" * > * > > * > * > > Look under "preliminary information" * > * > > * > * > > Virus indigo description [ 97k .pdf ] * > * > > New color * > * > > * > * > > Virus rack description [ 50k .pdf ] * > * > > A more basic Virus in a *single* rack space * > * > > * > * > > Virus OS4 info (virus b/kb/indigo) [ 40k .pdf ] * > * > > This is the new stuff: * > * > > - Reverb * > * > > - Groove Delay * > * > > - Surround Sound capability * > * > > - External Effects Sends * > * > > - Random Patch Generator * > * > > - Sound Categories * > * > > - Direct FX * > * > > - Arpeggiator Patterns * > * > > - Advanced Distorion Mode * > * > > * > * > > :) * > * > > * > * > > * > * > > Mark * > * > > * ________________________________________________________________ * > * > > Stuff: http://www.midiwall.com * > * > > * > * > > * > * > Great god!!! * > * > I'm in heaven!!!!! * > * > The Indigo is the sexiest thing!!!! * > * > Can't wait!!!!! * > * > * > * > jon k. * > * * > * * > * * * *I accidentally deleted a sound called "Techno" that I got off of Canine's page a long time ago. I don't remember how or from who I got the sound. Does this patch ring a bell to anyone? Again, it's called "Techno" and it's a lush, warm string patch. Thanks! Bhttp://www.milprod.com/MODULARING/ weldon 4/10/2000 5:20 PM, bigw at bigw@onbuffalo.com wrote: >be prepared for latency issues on ANY computer with softsynths The model E sounds absolutely fantastic but is a processor hog, as I guess pro 5 >will be as well >Weld I tend to play my MIDI parts using a hardware synth sound anyway. So, latency will not be an issue there. Also, I think latency is a sound card problem, not much to do with soft-synths. --JBytesOn Mon, 10 Apr 2000, Robert Tygers wrote: >Is this true? I find it a little hard to believe that a mere 20% increase in speed resulted in twice the polyphony, many more effects, a reverb, etc. Those German engineers are crazy. And supposedly the board in the B is a different size than the A, to accommodate the new DSP. Hmm...I'm waiting until my warranty expires to open mine up and look. Well, I used my X-Ray eyes and have determined that my VirusB is indeed powered by a Motorola 56302. This is the same DSP that is in the MWXT. I do not know how many Mhz either of them are running at. -- Member of Ho-Chunk nation.I have heard your music, Norsez. I even posted a link to it on this very list, remember? I said compression on synth lines was "generally unnecessary." Saying that you've found creative uses for it does not make it a general necessity (if it were you'd see it on synths as often as you see delay fx, but you don't). So far the only good argument I've heard for including it would be to use it with the analog inputs, and I'd still rather just use a dedicated outboard box. I bought the Virus because it was a synth, not an all-in-one studio, and while I certainly wouldn't be upset if a compressor were added, there are a lot of other features I'd rather see instead. That's my opinion; expressing it isn't going to "kill" anything. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing someone disagree with you, but you're going to have to learn to live with it. See, Robert? That's what I meant when I said it's no use trying to tell other people they don't want something based on your own way of working. (In fact, you don't even know what kind of music other people, e.g. me, make.) You may think compressor is for only one thing, but a lot of people including me don't use it the way mix down engineers traditionally do. (My music doesn't even have vocals or live drums.) Personally I see it as a must minimal setup music making and live performance. I see the use of it is so endless that I dare not give only a few examples here because it would only lead you to believe that I have only a few uses of it. However if you are curious, you can hear my music with a lot of non-traditional compressor using at http://www.mp3.com/cyclonix (minimal setup) and http://www.mp3.com/norsez (simple sound sources saved by compressor). Even a synth line from DJX can sound wicked if you know how to use a compressor creatively. How could you tell me I don't need compressor? :) norsez >It's a lot harder to even out the levels of vocals and >live drums. With >synth lines you have control over the envelopes and velocities, so a >compressor isn't generally needed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Is this true? I find it a little hard to believe that a mere 20% increase in speed resulted in twice the polyphony, many more effects, a reverb, etc. Those German engineers are crazy. And supposedly the board in the B is a different size than the A, to accommodate the new DSP. Hmm...I'm waiting until my warranty expires to open mine up and look. Speaking of that reverb, I had it on my list of nonwishes but I think I'll survive, heheheh. Can't wait to hear more about the Groove Delay, could be very cool. The two processors are the same, it's just the clock that changed from 66 MHz (Virus A) to 80 MHz (Virus B). Kaspar ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com The Virus Rack pdf file says the box features a dedicated drum map. Hope this is true for all OS4 compatible Virus. I saw that too and agree that it would be very useful. At the very least it'd be nice to have some way of changing programs on parts in a Multi that are set to the same channel. For instance, if I have a kick on part 9 and a snare on part 10 and both parts are set to channel 16, I can't change the kick or snare sounds without changing the entire Multi, which will mess up the bass on part 8, which could be awkward live. Looked for a sysex parameter that would do it, but didn't see one. A poly aftertouch or sysex control to change programs on different multiparts regardless of channel would be enough, a drum map would be even better. Or does anyone know a good workaround? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Robert, >I have heard your music, Norsez. I even posted a link to it on this very list, remember? I am sorry I honestly didn't remember. Thank you. So did you listen to some of them again especially for the Cyclonix one (I am sure you didn't post this link before) which utilizes compressor for the most part. >I said compression on synth lines was "generally unnecessary." Saying that you've found creative uses for it does not make it a general necessity (if it were you'd see it on synths as often as you see delay fx, but you don't). Not true. Most of the synths I have owned have compressor FXs on them, Nord Micro Modular, MC-505, JV-1080, Wavestation A/D, etc. In addition, don't you think that your comment, "compressor on synth line is generally unnessary", totally subjective and flawful? Who is to say compressor on synth lines is generally unnessary? >I bought the Virus because it was a synth, not an all-in-one studio, and while I certainly wouldn't be upset if a compressor were added, there >are a lot of other features I'd rather see instead. As I have said, to dis compressor won't make Access pick other features to add instead of it. What is the point in dissing anything at all? >That's my opinion; >expressing it isn't going to "kill" anything. I'm sorry if you don't like hearing someone disagree with you, but you're going to have to learn to live with it. I think you should have known by now that somebody disagreeing with me is not my problem. All I asked is just when somebody wishes something, it's not right to kill those wishes just because you subjectively think it's not generally necessary. (Although, As I have said in early posts, it's okay to kill wishes if it's not subjective. E.g. my first wishes for RAMP generators. I think it's Paul Nagle who pointed out to me that I didn't need it because Virus' LFOs can be used as RAMP generators.) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comIt's true, Robert. Faster processors give you more voices and stuff. Think about it this way. Let's say in one second, the Virus has to calculate 100 equations to handle 16 voices. If there was no limit on voices, and you press the 17th voice, the Virus might lock up or the sound would come out intermitten. But if the Virus has a faster processors that can calculate 150 equations. It will surely handle a few more voices without choking. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comRobert, Yes, you can use Sysex to change patch on only one part. Since patch sysex is channel dependent. You have to dump each one on the part you wish to change it on and then fire those sysex data when you need to change patches. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comone million dollars (Dr. Evil fans?)Ive bought a Supernova, Virus-B, and Microwave XT all from Rogue! Those guys are awesome. I try to deal with them whenever possible. Good Luck, Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: John E. Potter To: Sent: Sunday, April 09, 2000 8:49 PM Subject: Virus Vendors - US >Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in >a couple of weeks and was considering going through Rogue. I've dealt w/ NovaMusik in the past and had a good experience but they don't sound like they're willing to price match on the Virus KB since they sell them as quickly as they get them in. It's about $100 difference between Rogue and NovaMusik. > >Let me know if you've got any horror stories... > >Thanks, > >JP > so how does this suppose to be anything diffrent then a panning sound from my casio training synth? christoph technical explanation?Left to Right (1 dimension) + Front to Back (1 dimension) = 2 Dimensions Front = Main Speakers Back = Surround Speakers Just a guess... JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "luxx" To: "access virus" Sent: Monday, April 10, 2000 11:37 PM Subject: 2d-sound?? >so how does this suppose to be anything diffrent then a panning sound from my casio training synth? > >christoph technical explanation? >I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up Outlook. Yes, I would like a digest rather than individual e-mails. Other lists I subscribe to give me a digest. Please? Thanks, ThomasThis is getting ridiculous!!! I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up Outlook. I was so pissed I almost deleted them all and unsubscribed ... then I noticed the 4.0 / Indigo posts from the corner of my eye .... WOW!! Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this stuff like everyone else??? I use the following forums for my other gear, and they work great ... they all seem to be using the same technology.: http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro I have no idea what this involves ... could someone explain why this hasn't been done yet?? Thanks, Justin.how about teklab offering newsgroups?? is it more or less demanding on the server side??? cHave a look at http://www.teklab.com/forums/ We'll be combining the lists and the forums this week... j. At 10:42 PM 04/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: This is getting ridiculous!!! I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up Outlook. I was so pissed I almost deleted them all and unsubscribed ... then I noticed the 4.0 / Indigo posts from the corner of my eye .... WOW!! Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this stuff like everyone else??? I use the following forums for my other gear, and they work great ... they all seem to be using the same technology.: http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro I have no idea what this involves ... could someone explain why this hasn't been done yet?? Thanks, Justin. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html This is great Jay! I think this will solve the problem of people complaining about having to read other peoples stuff, and bandwidth issues. Also can you set it up so that people can post a message with a patch? The patch might not be part of the message but would automatically generate a link to it from the post to where ever you store the patches so that it starts the download when the link is clicked within the post. Not sure that is clear, it's late for me. If I read you correctly, people can unsubscribe and then just use the forums and not miss any messages right? cuz this is what I'm thinking is GREAT !!! THANKS ! Have Fun, James >Have a look at http://www.teklab.com/forums/ > >We'll be combining the lists and the forums this week... > >j. > >At 10:42 PM 04/10/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>This is getting ridiculous!!! >>I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up >>Outlook. I was so pissed I almost deleted them all and unsubscribed ... then I noticed the 4.0 / Indigo posts from the corner of my eye .... WOW!! Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this stuff like everyone else??? I use the following forums for my other gear, and they work great ... they all seem to be using the same technology.: http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro I have no idea what this involves ... could someone explain why this hasn't >>been done yet?? >>Thanks, Justin. > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html > Hi >This is getting ridiculous!!! >I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up Outlook. I was so pissed I almost deleted them all and unsubscribed ... Well, there's nothing ridiculous about that. You know that when you're subscribe to mailing lists mailflow can get very high. When I'm away for a week there are usually more than 1800 mails waiting to get read...:) jasper -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298... are one of the features of the of the indigo. I can't imagine how this is realised. Anyone got an idea ? StefanIt sounds like you need to turn off "multi program changes" and turn on "program changes". That way a program change changes the program of the midi channel it was received on and not the multi. If you indeed want to swtich to a different mult (because you want to change some sounds, while keeping others but change global parameters as well) you could make a copy of the current multi and change those things that you need to change. Then switch back and forth between those two *multis*. hope this helps... At 1:57 AM +0000 on 11.04.2000 Robert Tygers wrote: The Virus Rack pdf file says the box features a dedicated drum map. Hope this is true for all OS4 compatible Virus. I saw that too and agree that it would be very useful. At the very least it'd be nice to have some way of changing programs on parts in a Multi that are set to the same channel. For instance, if I have a kick on part 9 and a snare on part 10 and both parts are set to channel 16, I can't change the kick or snare sounds without changing the entire Multi, which will mess up the bass on part 8, which could be awkward live. Looked for a sysex parameter that would do it, but didn't see one. A poly aftertouch or sysex control to change programs on different multiparts regardless of channel would be enough, a drum map would be even better. Or does anyone know a good workaround? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 1:51 AM +0000 on 11.04.2000 Robert Tygers wrote: Speaking of that reverb, I had it on my list of nonwishes but I think I'll survive, heheheh. Can't wait to hear more about the Groove Delay, could be very cool. A little while ago I played a how with my friend thuja who brought along her Nova. We were both doing something I can't remember, I was using my Virus a, filters, lots of delay and all that. Both of us had only brought very little gear because we brought it in a backpack. (oh, this was an improvised show where we jammed and made a lot of experimental noise with beats;) Then all of a sudden she switched on the reverb of the Nova and there was such a big difference, such another dimension and from that point on I thought: "maybe I *do* want reverb on the Virus...;-)) So I am happy it is there... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Dr. Stefan Trippler" wrote: > >... are one of the features of the of the indigo. > >I can't imagine how this is realised. Anyone got an idea ? > >Stefan The 2-D effect is probably created by constant headbanging (caused by the immense new groove patterns in OS4) which gives the illusion that the sound is moving back and towards you... -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Edmond Research & Development BV | The Document Solutions Specialist --------------------------------------------------------------------- drs. Rinus Aarts | email: M.Aarts@edmond.nl Toernooiveld 220 6525 EC Nijmegen | Tel.: +31-24-3521666 PO BOX 38203 6503 AE Nijmegen | Fax: +31-24-3521661 The Netherlands | WWW: http://www.edmond.nl>When I'm away for a week there are usually more than 1800 mails waiting to get read... Well I'm trying to unsubscribe from this list for quite some time and it iseems impossible ! Even Jay's manually unsubscribing me didn't help. Plz Jay help me out !!! Maybe I should start flaming as hard as possible so he'll do whatever he can, to kick me of the list... grtz, S MIME:jsdejong@wxs.nl on 11/04/2000 14:01:00 To: access-list@teklab.com @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Steven De Mesmaker/AIP/CT/ATLAS COPCO) Fax to: Subject: Re: INBOX OVERLOAD !! Hi >This is getting ridiculous!!! >I was gone for the weekend and had 300 emails this evening when I opened up Outlook. I was so pissed I almost deleted them all and unsubscribed ... Well, there's nothing ridiculous about that. You know that when you're subscribe to mailing lists mailflow can get very high. When I'm away for a week there are usually more than 1800 mails waiting to get read...:) jasper -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298>Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this stuff like everyone else??? I use the following forums for my other gear, and they work great ... they all seem to be using the same technology.: http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro I have no idea what this involves ... could someone explain why this hasn't >been done yet?? Web? what's that? Many of us are only here during working hours and don't necessarily have web access. Mail is good. If you know you are going to be gone for any amount of time just unsub. The list members weren't that helpful. Out of 200 messages this past week, I think 10 had some sort of usable content. So.... I beg the list, please no one line replies. "that's cool" and "me too!" messages are waste of time and are of little value to the topic.I think what Jay said was to combine the web and the mail together. I think if it works that will be so cool cos I will be able to unsub so that I will be free from getting double mail from the Virus list all the time. norsez --- Micheal Goins wrote: >>Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this >stuff like everyone >>else??? I use the following forums for my other >gear, and they work great >>... they all seem to be using the same >technology.: >>http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi >> > http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro >>I have no idea what this involves ... could >someone explain why >>this hasn't >>been done yet?? > >Web? what's that? Many of us are only here during working hours and don't >necessarily have web access. Mail is good. If you know you are going to be >gone for any amount of time just unsub. The list members weren't that >helpful. Out of 200 messages this past week, I think 10 had some sort of >usable content. So.... > >I beg the list, please no one line replies. "that's cool" and "me too!" >messages are waste of time and are of little value to the topic. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi I need to temporarily unsubscribe could you let me know the present method of getting of the list. Cheers ChrisI agree! ;) -Dennis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: RE: INBOX OVERLOAD !!-->one liners Author: Non-HP-mpgoins (mpgoins@mediaone.net) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/11/00 6:43 AM >I beg the list, please no one line replies. "that's cool" and "me too!" messages are waste of time and are of little value to the topic.My thought is that it can place a sound left - right - front - back, and to do this with only 2 speakers they are using the technology (I think there are many names for it), where it changes the frequencies of a sound just a tad to simulate reflecting sound off your outer ear. If you hear a sound that is in front of you, and you hear the same sound behind you, you know that it's behind you because of the way sound gets reflected off your outer ear before boncing into your ear drum. Some software does this to give a surround sound feel with only 2 speakers and it does it very good. My only thought as to why it never caught on was a) creative labs makes more money on the speaker than the sound cards so they are urged to go with 4 speaker systems . b) "standards" that people adopt are currently more Surround Sound. c) processor intense. d) easier to just put 4 or 5 speakers together than to write software or cheaper than licensing this technology when a company does consider doing it. The cool thing to me about this is that the Virus will produce sounds that sound more full and give us the control to be more creative, and create a better aural experience for the listeners with the common stereo system. And if they weren't planning on doing this I hope I get a 50% discount on my next purchase for talking them into this idea :-) Christoph has been suspiciously quiet on the OS4 stuff. But when they actually release it (which I suspect is soon unless they don't have patents on the new gear/OS) then we'll get the real skinny from Christoph. Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Dr. Stefan Trippler To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 4:29 AM Subject: surround sound capabilities >... are one of the features of the of the indigo. > >I can't imagine how this is realised. Anyone got an idea ? > >Stefan > > > That does sound processor intensive -- I was thinking they might have just added menu entries for sending sounds to more than one of the Virus stereo outs at once (two stereo buses = 4 speaker system). Hmm, I don't have any way to record this though, maybe time to upgrade my sound card so I can record surround sound 8-). Kintama wrote: > >My thought is that it can place a sound left - right - front - back, and to do this with only 2 speakers they are using the technology (I think there are many names for it), where it changes the frequencies of a sound just a tad to simulate reflecting sound off your outer ear. If you hear a sound that is in front of you, and you hear the same sound behind you, you know that it's behind you because of the way sound gets reflected off your outer ear before boncing into your ear drum.Dear Mr. Generator, Do you use it mainly as a synth, or for it's sample mangling abilities? (could you send me your e-mail address, so that I don't have to send OT stuff through the Access list) -Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Envelope Generator To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: Re: OT- Any Kurzweil K2000 owners out there? hi I own a K2000VP and I must say; THIS is complete DIFFERENT synth that Virus. K2000VP is the best of digital synths. I've buy from Novamusik and even if it cost a little more. They alway give me great service...Thus far, they have bee totally professional. "John E. Potter" wrote: >Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in a couple of weeks and was considering going through Rogue. I've dealt w/ NovaMusik in the past and had a good experience but they don't sound like they're willing to price match on the Virus KB since they sell them as quickly as they get them in. It's about $100 difference between Rogue and NovaMusik. > >Let me know if you've got any horror stories... > >Thanks, > >JPYeah, but what's the catch? Less voices? Eli Vaitzman wrote: >guess you won't need to buy a reverb now ,after system 4.0 will be out you'll have one withing the virus!!! :-) > >On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Thomas Whitmore wrote: > >>Hi Anaya, >> >>[About some Behringer DSP1000P reverb :] >>>Okay then, what the best reverb I can buy for less than $500. U.S. >> >>Lexicon MPX 100 is about US$ 249. >>Lexicon MPX 1 is a dual model but costs more. >> >>Behringer has an international reputation for poor sound and low quality. >> >> >>Cheers, >>Thomas >> Ditto... I won't use a web based interface. The overhead is huge on loading banners and javascript and fancy cosmetics. As well, having to go "somewhere else" to deal with mail is a pain. Look at the source for the wbmedia page given in the email below. The amount of HTML overhead is incredible. If I'm here at work on a ton of bandwidth, that's one thing, but if I'm at home on a dialup, no way. As well, "one more banner ad" and I'm gonna lose it. Yes, I know about AdKiller and the others. But there are issues with running those. I get a LOT of mail, upwards of 600 pieces a day. It's all filtered into various mail boxes under a single app on a single box. That let's me browse, search and archive the mail at will. You can't get that from a web interface. Mark bigw (06:49 PM 04.11.2000) wrote: >we will still have the old conventional method as well? I prefer this myself. >weld > >Norsez Orankijanan wrote: > >>I think what Jay said was to combine the web and the mail together. I think if it works that will be so cool cos I will be able to unsub so that I will be free from getting double mail from the Virus list all the time. >> >>norsez >> >>--- Micheal Goins wrote: >>>>Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this >>>stuff like everyone >>>>else??? I use the following forums for my other >>>gear, and they work great >>>>... they all seem to be using the same >>>technology.: >>>>http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi >>>> >>> >>http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro >>>>I have no idea what this involves ... could >>>someone explain why >>>>this hasn't >>>>been done yet?? >>> >>>Web? what's that? Many of us are only here during working hours and don't >>>necessarily have web access. Mail is good. If you know you are going to be >>>gone for any amount of time just unsub. The list members weren't that >>>helpful. Out of 200 messages this past week, I think 10 had some sort of >>>usable content. So.... >>> >>>I beg the list, please no one line replies. "that's cool" and "me too!" >>>messages are waste of time and are of little value to the topic. >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > we will still have the old conventional method as well? I prefer this myself. weld Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >I think what Jay said was to combine the web and the mail together. I think if it works that will be so cool cos I will be able to unsub so that I will be free from getting double mail from the Virus list all the time. > >norsez > >--- Micheal Goins wrote: >>>Anyway, why can we not have a web forum for this >>stuff like everyone >>>else??? I use the following forums for my other >>gear, and they work great >>>... they all seem to be using the same >>technology.: >>>http://www.wbmedia.com/ex5/bb/cgi-bin/Ultimate.cgi >>> >> >http://www.tascam.com/cgi-tascam/Ultimate.cgi?action=intro >>>I have no idea what this involves ... could >>someone explain why >>>this hasn't >>>been done yet?? >> >>Web? what's that? Many of us are only here during working hours and don't >>necessarily have web access. Mail is good. If you know you are going to be >>gone for any amount of time just unsub. The list members weren't that >>helpful. Out of 200 messages this past week, I think 10 had some sort of >>usable content. So.... >> >>I beg the list, please no one line replies. "that's cool" and "me too!" >>messages are waste of time and are of little value to the topic. >> >> > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 05:46 PM 04/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: Ditto... I won't use a web based interface. The overhead is huge on loading banners and javascript and fancy cosmetics. As well, having to go "somewhere else" to deal with mail is a pain. Look at the source for the wbmedia page given in the email below. The amount of HTML overhead is incredible. If I'm here at work on a ton of bandwidth, that's one thing, but if I'm at home on a dialup, no way. As well, "one more banner ad" and I'm gonna lose it. Yes, I know about AdKiller and the others. But there are issues with running those. I get a LOT of mail, upwards of 600 pieces a day. It's all filtered into various mail boxes under a single app on a single box. That let's me browse, search and archive the mail at will. You can't get that from a web interface. Mark Whoa, hold up here folks. First of all, nobody said anything about banner ads. I don't have any plans to add banner ads to the web forums, at least not in the forseeable future. And yes, you will still be able to use email if you want to - the two will be *merged* so you can use either the forum or email to discuss stuff with other forum members. If someone posts a message on the web forum, it'll get sent out on the list - if someone posts it on the list, it'll get put onto the web forum. Stay tuned, it'll happen as soon as I get the chance to get the new servers set up here at TekLab. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Sorry to spam everyone, but my attempts to get off via majordomo@teklab.com get no responce, and my email to Jay himself, gets no responce, so I am going to the list. Jay take me (pirone@amazon.com) off of the access-list. Thanks, - djpJay Vaughan (03:55 PM 04.11.2000) wrote: >And yes, you will still be able to use email if you want to - the two will be *merged* so you can use either the forum or email to discuss stuff with other forum members... Okay... Then I'm still in love. :) Mark Daniel Pirone (04:02 PM 04.11.2000) wrote: >Sorry to spam everyone, but my attempts to get off via majordomo@teklab.com get no responce, and my email to Jay himself, gets no responce, so I am going to the list. > >Jay take me (pirone@amazon.com) off of the access-list. Or... You can do it yourself by sending a single piece of mail to: access-list-unsubscribe@teklab.com No need for a message body, no need for a subject line. The reason that messages to majordomo@ are going unanswered is that this list isn't being run by majordomo. :) Mark Mark Pulver wrote: > >Daniel Pirone (04:02 PM 04.11.2000) wrote: > >>Sorry to spam everyone, but my attempts to get off via majordomo@teklab.com get no responce, and my email to Jay himself, gets no responce, so I am going to the list. >> >>Jay take me (pirone@amazon.com) off of the access-list. > >Or... You can do it yourself by sending a single piece of mail to: > >access-list-unsubscribe@teklab.com > >No need for a message body, no need for a subject line. > ahhhhh - I thought it was run by majordomo ( see below ) >The reason that messages to majordomo@ are going unanswered is that this list isn't being run by majordomo. :) hmmm, usually, majordomo will send you back a reply, saying that your request could not be fulfilled.... Thanks for the tip - djp ---- ORIGINAL SUBSCRIBE MESSAGE ---------------------------------------------------------------- >Subject: >Welcome to access-list >Date: >Wed, 15 Sep 1999 19:33:02 -0700 >From: >Majordomo@teklab.com >To: >pirone@amazon.com > > > > >-- > >Welcome to the access-list mailing list! > >Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. > >If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to with the following command in the body of your email message: > >unsubscribe access-list > >or from another account, besides pirone@amazon.com: > >unsubscribe access-list pirone@amazon.com > >If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. > >Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: > >Welcome to the Access Synth Discussion list!Me three (FWIW) Mark Pulver wrote: >Ditto... ...Well, not really. Just some silly stuff I made with my Virus b. If you have too much time on your hand, go here http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html Be warned, don't take anything you hear there too seriously. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comHi people, >Then all of a sudden she switched on the reverb of the Nova and there was such a big difference, such another dimension Reverb can be an important part of surround sound. Using only a stereo output, sound can be 'panned' from front to back by adjusting reverb levels. If a second output pair is used, which I expect will be the case for the V surround facilities, the spacialization improves even further. It's possible to delay the reverb slightly onto the back pair, giving the Dolby 'magic surround' effect, or even better is to use a surround reverb which produces quad-channel output... Cheers, ThomasJust to toss in my 2 cents, I hope the surround capabilities are discrete 4 channels. As a composer I'm getting numurous request to deliver my scores in 5.1. It would be great to use 4 outs on the Virus and have discrete elements in the rear surrounds! LB440Have a look at the attatchment. Christoph, when do you think we can expect delivery :)) cheers cyber7 (aka Aubrey) PS - it is a hoax :)) On Wed, 12 Apr 2000 09:04:03 +0200, "K.9 Kai Niggemann" wrote: I will be going to frankfurt today to see what's up at the mess(e). > >I won't be back until tomorrow, so I guess I won't be the first to mail in with any comments about the news... if anyone is there and wants to meet up, just ask for me at the Access both. > >have a great day...! > >think different! > >Canine > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.za Content-Type: image/jpeg; charset="us-ascii"; name="virus-c.jpg"; filename="virus-c.jpg" Content-Description: virus-c.jpg Attachment converted: f2000:virus-c.jpg (JPEG/JVWR) (00007702)I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what a drum map was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask again - what is it?can anyone shed some light on how the fx section breaks down? 82 (!) simultaneous DSP Effects like: Reverbration Unit Retro Phaser Chorus/Flanger Voice Saturation/Distortion Groove-Delay (Digital Delay with Rhythmic Patterns) 32-band advanced Vocoder Ringmodulator Analog Boost thanks -djI would assume it means you can use a single program to map several voices (drum sounds) accross a single keyboard with each voice having it's own synthesis parameters... Rick >I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what a drum map was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask again - what is it? God I can't wait THANK YOU JAYYYYY !!! -----Original Message----- From: Jay Vaughan To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 3:58 PM Subject: Re: INBOX OVERLOAD !!-->one liners >At 05:46 PM 04/11/2000 -0500, you wrote: >>Ditto... >>I won't use a web based interface. The overhead is huge on loading banners and javascript and fancy cosmetics. As well, having to go "somewhere else" to deal with mail is a pain. >>Look at the source for the wbmedia page given in the email below. The amount of HTML overhead is incredible. If I'm here at work on a ton of bandwidth, that's one thing, but if I'm at home on a dialup, no way. As well, "one more banner ad" and I'm gonna lose it. Yes, I know about AdKiller and the others. But there are issues with running those. I get a LOT of mail, upwards of 600 pieces a day. It's all filtered into various mail boxes under a single app on a single box. That let's me browse, search and archive the mail at will. You can't get that from a web interface. Mark > > >Whoa, hold up here folks. > >First of all, nobody said anything about banner ads. I don't have any plans to add banner ads to the web forums, at least not in the forseeable future. > >And yes, you will still be able to use email if you want to - the two will be *merged* so you can use either the forum or email to discuss stuff with other forum members. If someone posts a message on the web forum, it'll get sent out on the list - if someone posts it on the list, it'll get put onto the web forum. > >Stay tuned, it'll happen as soon as I get the chance to get the new servers set up here at TekLab. > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html > I guess nobody is sure right now. Since Access puts that in the Rack brochure only. The Rack is 8 part multi. So maybe what they do is using the hidden 8 as the drum map channel. You know how we only have percussion sound per channel right now on the Virus. With the trick above, you may be able to have 8 percussion sound on the same channel. But drum map in general just means like the channel 10 on General MIDI modules. norsez --- Bill Slobotski wrote: >I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what a drum map >was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask >again - what is it? > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comGrandmas Music is the place I go to. A guy by the name of Chizmo7@aol.com whose ads you will see in the usenet groups alot, is VERY competitive, and is friends with the guy that imports the things into the us. So when I ordered my Virus (and he price matched and through in a couple of cables) he told me it would be a couple to 3 weeks to get it and didn't lie about it. So I was cool with it and ordered, and it came in 2 weeks. His real name is Matt, and it was kinda funny cuz I figured he's just some punk selling keyboards used/stolen etc cuz his prices were too cheap to be good... I did a www.dejanews.com search on him and it showed that he had no complaints and had some praises... I wrote him an email and asked where he worked and he said Grandmas Music www.grandmasmusic.com and they are a very legit company. Not big like Sam Ash or Guitar Center, but they have 2-3 locations scattered about. This was back when I new virutally nothing about keyboard as hands on, and Matt spent MANY long long emails with me (in his off time even!) to help bring clarity to me on how I wanted to use it/set it up etc. I had questions after my purchase with how to configure it with my keyboard/computer and having some problems, and he was very quick at helping even after the purchase. His patients, and the fact his prices were good were what made me go with him, and continue too. Too bad he's a big SuperNova lover and seller, but even so, I really like dealing with him. He only suggested I go with SN one time, but didn't push it at all. He really respected what I wanted to get. He's a keyboardist, and pretty sharp, and quick at responding to emails (same day most of the time). My next purchase will most likely be from him unless I see the Virus B in a store at a price like his. He probably won't even remember me, and I get no sorta discounts for this, I just simply had to say I recommend him because it was my FIRST purchase that involved a sales man where I was glad the sales guy was involved, and he did his job RIGHT... it was a great buying experience. Have Fun, Kintama PS since my order was later than most he offered to express ship it, but I told him I could wait a couple more days.... it was my way of returning the favor so as not to totally take advantage fo him and be a good customer as he is a good sales guy. (I really had him low on price WAY low... Last April at $1050 or $1140 I forgot, for my Virus A at time when the going rate was around $1300 on average. But now-a-days I'd go for the a little higher price with him just cuz he earned my trust about ship dates, support, etc. -----Original Message----- From: anaya To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 2:52 PM Subject: Re: Virus Vendors - US >I've buy from Novamusik and even if it cost a little more. They alway give me >great service...Thus far, they have bee totally professional. > >"John E. Potter" wrote: > >>Has anyone had dealings w/ Rogue Music? I'm looking to pick up a Virus KB in >>a couple of weeks and was considering going through Rogue. I've dealt w/ NovaMusik in the past and had a good experience but they don't sound like they're willing to price match on the Virus KB since they sell them as quickly as they get them in. It's about $100 difference between Rogue and >>NovaMusik. >> >>Let me know if you've got any horror stories... >> >>Thanks, >> >>JP > Anyone has details on Nord Lead III, Nord Electro and the Micro Q yet? norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>I would assume it means you can use a single program to map several voices (drum sounds) across a single keyboard with each voice having it's own synthesis parameters... > >Rick If they are talking about what others have done. The Nord Leads had this from the start. It allows you to use one program (patch) for several drum sounds (well any sound actually). Each sound occupies a few white keys. If you hit on one the corresponding black keys, you go into edit mode for that sound. > > >>I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what >a drum map >>was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask again - what is it? >> It does not addup at all.....I think you maybe have to sacrifice stuff part vise to use reverb......we'll see.. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dizzy J. To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 5:33 PM Subject: 82 effects? >can anyone shed some light on how the fx section breaks down? > >82 (!) simultaneous DSP Effects like: >Reverbration Unit >Retro Phaser >Chorus/Flanger >Voice Saturation/Distortion >Groove-Delay (Digital Delay with Rhythmic Patterns) >32-band advanced Vocoder >Ringmodulator >Analog Boost > > >thanks >-dj > The way it added up before was 5 fx per 16 parts, plus delay and vocoder. I'm not sure how the reverb is gonna fit in. 5 fx = ringmod, analog boost, phaser, distortion, chorus - plus global delay and vocoder. This was the spec. for version 3.0 Rick It does not addup at all.....I think you maybe have to sacrifice stuff part vise to use reverb......we'll see.. >can anyone shed some light on how the fx section breaks down? > >82 (!) simultaneous DSP Effects like: >Reverbration Unit >Retro Phaser >Chorus/Flanger >Voice Saturation/Distortion >Groove-Delay (Digital Delay with Rhythmic Patterns) >32-band advanced Vocoder >Ringmodulator >Analog Boost > > >thanks >-dj > hey norsez just read an article about the Waldorf Q-rack. it has the same features as the keyboard-version, just less potis. I think waldorf has posted something on their website. look around... greets, marco Norsez Orankijanan schrieb: >Anyone has details on Nord Lead III, Nord Electro and the Micro Q yet? > >norsez > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com -- Plastic Age music productions Marco Scherer Kreuzweide 14 67551 Worms phon: 06241 - 35263 mail..: ms@plastic.4mg.com home: http://members.tripod.de/plasticMarco Scherer (11:26 PM 04.12.2000) wrote: >hey norsez > >just read an article about the Waldorf Q-rack. it has the same features as the keyboard-version, just less potis. I think waldorf has posted something on their website. look around... Nope, that's the *RACK*, there is a NEW box as well called the Q-Micro. So, a total of 3 Q's... Keyboard, Rack and Micro. Mark __________________________________________________ Check out the Waldorf Q: http://www.midiwall.com/q kick drum on C3-G3 snare G#3- Gb4, synth bass on C#4-C#5 etc. Weld Bill Slobotski wrote: >I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what a drum map was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask again - what is it?ÊÊ I just checked the Access URL hoping to see a update about OS 4.0,Êbut saw not only the Indigo but a Virus Rack unit?Ê Sweet!! Was this mentioned on the list before? Wayne in cubase there is a editor called a drum map.... where the keys usually are on the left there are spaces for words like kick and snare... so u hit c4 and a conga p-lays u can fill it in with the word conga....got it?i do also believe that is what a drum map is Rick Reyes wrote: >I would assume it means you can use a single program to map several voices (drum sounds) accross a single keyboard with each voice having it's own synthesis parameters... > >Rick > >>I'm in the mood for some enlightenment here. Someone asked what a drum map was, and I haven't seen a response. I'm in the dark too, so I'll ask again - what is it? Hi I use it as synth. The K2000 have a unique DSP functions like wrap, shaper, x amp ..... etc. You find it on no other hw synth. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cranes Music To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Tuesday, April 11, 2000 8:20 PM Subject: Re: Kurzweil Dear Mr. Generator, Do you use it mainly as a synth, or for it's sample mangling abilities? (could you send me your e-mail address, so that I don't have to send OT stuff through the Access list) -Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: Envelope Generator To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:59 AM Subject: Re: OT- Any Kurzweil K2000 owners out there? hi I own a K2000VP and I must say; THIS is complete DIFFERENT synth that Virus. K2000VP is the best of digital synths. NORD ELECTRO is a electromechanical simulator synth :o) Simply the VIRTUAL HAMMOND ORGAN + FENDER PIANO ! ORGAN 122 voices polyphony 9 drawbars +fx PIANO 24 voices +fx ----- Original Message ----- From: Norsez Orankijanan To: Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 7:10 PM Subject: OT: rumors on new products >Anyone has details on Nord Lead III, Nord Electro and the Micro Q yet? > >norsez > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comDoes anybody have any idea when the virus indigo will be released in the states or in Europe? Wondering about the keyboard.baby one more time. For those who will see the new CLAVIA products, I scan a info papers and place it on http://envelope.underground.sk/data/nord/index.htm enjoy! ;o) E.G.hi.all ...it's me again. Just three things about access on messe. 1. The Virus Indigo is a beautyfull piece of aluminium :o) 2. I Have free virus mousepad :o))) thanx Access 3. No one gear have a OS 4.0 installed. The B, KB and Indigo are 3.0b and RACK have a 3.0c ?!? Just big posters around, with OS4.0 features and text "Comming very soon!" :o))) good joke ... Virus C :o))) What do you use make this FAKE?>Cubase has skipped up 1.28 versions (3.7r2 is out now!) to version 5.0. >no environment, but looks like just about everything else is in there! Usable ergonomics? Reliability? Precision timing with standard MIDI interfaces? Fast MIDI editing & programming? Because Logic has a lot of advantages beyond 'features'. Cubase has always been long on marketing, but fallen short in practice. I don't see the groundbreaking difference to justify TWO increments of major version number. Cheers, ThomasNot a bad move from Clavia i think... although there are some other 'hammond emulators in a box', there aren't that many either.... I think it's good to see some other things get out besides new VA's... >NORD ELECTRO is a electromechanical simulator synth :o) Simply the VIRTUAL HAMMOND ORGAN + FENDER PIANO ! ORGAN >122 voices polyphony >9 drawbars >+fx > >PIANO >24 voices >+fxI mean, one and only interesting new technology on MusikMesse Frankfurt is ROLANDs ELASTIC AUDIO in VP9000. This technology is a death for classic samplers. ;o) All other manufactures repeat only subtractive synthesis in many forms. Elastic Audio is realy new way in sampling and audio processing. e.g.I must agree. Realtime pitch shift, tempo and formant is awesome. Playing chords with breaks and they stay in time. Awesome. It is revoulutionary. Gerald Stringer. ---------- >From: "Envelope Generator" To: >Subject: Re: rumors on new products >Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2000, 9:49 am > >I mean, one and only interesting new technology on MusikMesse Frankfurt is ROLANDs ELASTIC AUDIO in VP9000. This technology is a death for classic samplers. ;o) >All other manufactures repeat only subtractive synthesis in many forms. Elastic Audio is realy new way in sampling and audio processing. > >e.g. > It seems that the new NL3 still doesn't house FX. Still four part Still fours outs and not ins? ;-\Used CUT and PASTE with PAINT on a PC and the INDIGO.jpg as the source :)) Cool hey! cyber7 (aka Aubrey) On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:32:30 +0200, "Envelope Generator" wrote: :o))) good joke ... Virus C :o))) >What do you use make this FAKE? > ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zahi all, just thought i'd finally get around to joining the list due to the recent announcement of the new indigo. i'm also on the a3k list and the music bar so if any of you are also on those lists you'll be getting even more crap from me :O) sorry... i had already planned on getting the virus b, that was until i saw those cute blue led's. does anyone have any more info on this synth that isn't given on the access site? uk price, availability etc... rumours would be just as good as cold facts :) thanks in advance, james.Hey All, Does anybody have any solid info on the new Nord, and Waldorf micro Q yet?! I'm very curious, and I can't seem to find any posted information yet. Brooks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Sorry, this is OT, but I was hoping someone could explain the advantages of Logic over CuBase......I'm considering switching over, but I don't really know much about Logic. Thanks... Gel-Sol --- Thomas Whitmore wrote: >>Cubase has skipped up 1.28 versions (3.7r2 is out >now!) to >>version 5.0. > >>no environment, but looks like just about >everything else is in >>there! > >Usable ergonomics? >Reliability? >Precision timing with standard MIDI interfaces? Fast MIDI editing & programming? > >Because Logic has a lot of advantages beyond 'features'. Cubase has always >been long on marketing, but fallen short in practice. I don't see the >groundbreaking difference to justify TWO increments of major version number. > > >Cheers, >Thomas > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>Sorry, this is OT, but I was hoping someone could explain the advantages of Logic over CuBase......I'm considering switching over, but I don't really know much about Logic. > >Thanks... > >Gel-Sol jay don't flame me for this OT'ness. imagine a perfect user interface...you design it. i'm switching as soon as i've finished my current project (too much work involved in switching now) regards, james.Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but it is rumored to sound awesome... BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag and limited polyphony... Rick >I must agree. Realtime pitch shift, tempo and formant is awesome. Playing chords with breaks and they stay in time. Awesome. It is revoulutionary. > >Gerald Stringer. On Thu, 13 Apr 2000 09:25:09 -0500 "Rick Reyes" wrote: >Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but it is rumored to sound awesome... > >BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag and limited polyphony... Has any price tag been seen yet? Christian>Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but >it is rumored to sound awesome... It's a very new concept and technology. Don't expect the timbrality and voices of your standard "run of the mill" samplers. It takes a lot of processing power to do the tasks that it does. If it makes you feel any better, consider it more as an effects processor than a sampler. >BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag and limited polyphony... Street price has it about $2700. Why complain? Everyone wants new technology, and when they do get it, they complain again, more voice! more effects! too much! etc.Mmm...what product would that be, indigo perchance? regards, james. >Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of >polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but >it is rumored to sound awesome... > >BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag >and limited polyphony...One thing to remember: This is a piece by ROLAND. the 24 voice mkII will be available at half the price of this unit in about 6 to 8 months - just long enough to sucker in all the dim-wits who havnt learned about Roland yet and 'Just have to have it!' -----Original Message----- From: Rick Reyes [mailto:supercow@swbell.net] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 9:25 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: rumors on new products Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but it is rumored to sound awesome... BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag and limited polyphony... Rick >I must agree. Realtime pitch shift, tempo and formant is awesome. Playing chords with breaks and they stay in time. Awesome. It is revoulutionary. > >Gerald Stringer. >One thing to remember: >This is a piece by ROLAND. the 24 voice mkII will be available at half the >price of this unit in about 6 to 8 months - just long enough to sucker in all the dim-wits who havnt learned about Roland yet and 'Just have to have it!' I guess I'm a dim-wit because I like to buy a product that has a complete and stable OS, never needs updating and works as specified. Because of their 'proven to work' technology, Roland products take more time to hit the market since a lot of testing goes into them before they are released to the public and therefore have the tendency to have older technology onboard. But it works as promised.>Usable ergonomics? Hmm, I personally like the Cubase ergonomics more than logic (yes I do have both by the way!), but it looks like the interface has been revamped in cubase to allow more customizability. >Reliability? Yes. Especially considering they are optimizing it for Windows 2000 which is rock solid. >Precision timing with standard MIDI interfaces? With standard midi - no, but then again neither does logic, logic too uses a midi time stamping technology with their AMT8 + unitor 8. >Fast MIDI editing & programming? Yes, this is already the case, I personally find cubase faster to program than logic. >>Because Logic has a lot of advantages beyond 'features'. Cubase has always >been long on marketing, but fallen short in practice. I don't see the groundbreaking difference to justify TWO increments of major version number. You are obviously not a cubase user then! ;-) As a user of both logic and cubase, I can tell you that this is a HUGE improvement (almost an 'answer to my prayers' type of improvement actually). as a Logic user, you wouldn't think it was such a big deal because you are used to these features.The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 Rick. >Mmm...what product would that be, indigo perchance? > >regards, > >james. > >>Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of >>polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but >>it is rumored to sound awesome... Somewhere close to $4000 retail. I think it's like 3595.00 or something... Rick > >>Unfortunately that won't go far with what I believe is only 6 voices of polyphony. I agree it is a killer concept. I haven't heard it in person, but >>it is rumored to sound awesome... >> >>BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag >>and limited polyphony... > >Has any price tag been seen yet? > >ChristianI agree with Mike. Roland has a history of releasing stable products that work as expected. I sure hate their tendency to include Active Sensing without the option to turn it off. This drives me nuts on my JP8K. I hate watching my Motu LED blink endlessly... Rick > >I guess I'm a dim-wit because I like to buy a product that has a complete and stable OS, never needs updating and works as specified. Because of their 'proven to work' technology, Roland products take more time to hit the >market since a lot of testing goes into them before they are released to the >public and therefore have the tendency to have older technology onboard. But it works as promised. Does anyone know if Waldorf unveiled anything new at the Messe?Rick Reyes (10:35 AM 04.13.2000) wrote: >The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 This is a wild product. I got to see/hear it at Winter NAMM. I have some babble here: http://www.midiwall.com/wnamm2000/views.html Mark Gabe (11:41 AM 04.13.2000) wrote: >Does anyone know if Waldorf unveiled anything new at the Messe? They're talking about the new Q-Micro. That's all I know - no specs, no pics... Mark >The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 > >Rick. cheers rick, i did actually figure out from the previous few posts. it sounds like a cool idea, but as ever with new technology its going to be in rich studio's only for a few years yet. or if ever...heard of a dimension D chorus for instance? its been around for ages but still has a price tag of about £4000. my jv2080 is the *only* part of my studio that never crashes. james.>They're talking about the new Q-Micro. > >That's all I know - no specs, no pics... I have heard this too, but it seems just like idle speculation... no one has actually said they saw it at the Messe!!>>They're talking about the new Q-Micro. >> >>That's all I know - no specs, no pics... > >I have heard this too, but it seems just like idle speculation... no one has >actually said they saw it at the Messe!! i heard they didn't show anything new. james.Gabe (12:08 PM 04.13.2000) wrote: >>They're talking about the new Q-Micro. >> >>That's all I know - no specs, no pics... > >I have heard this too, but it seems just like idle speculation... no one has actually said they saw it at the Messe!! Someone on the Waldorf list saw a promo ad at the show. But, it was unclear to him at that point if the physical product was actually at the show. Mark __________________________________________________ Check out the Waldorf Q: http://www.midiwall.com/q Dude, come on! I here what you are saying but at a street price of around $3000 for a six voice unit? Don't expect them to fly out the door. In fact, it might flop all together. I realize that it is intense new technology, but it is very expensive and limited in it's ability (however exotic that is). That's why I feel it is more of a specialty piece, and will most likely sell to those with a lot of cash, and the ability to use the device in a existing kit. It is not something that the average bedroom warrior is gonna be able to fit in his kit. Especially not as a replacement for his sampler. I see it being more of an option for a mid to high end remix studio that often has the need to fly vocals and such over to the unit to be pitched and time adjusted. I may be wrong though... BTW: Think VL1... Very expensive exotic technology that for the most part bit the dust. At least in that robust form... Rick > >It's a very new concept and technology. Don't expect the timbrality and voices of your standard "run of the mill" samplers. It takes a lot of processing power to do the tasks that it does. If it makes you feel any better, consider it more as an effects processor than a sampler. > >>BTW: IMHO, it really is a specialty piece considering it's hefty price tag >>and limited polyphony... > >Street price has it about $2700. Why complain? Everyone wants new technology, and when they do get it, they complain again, more voice! more effects! too much! etc. Dude, I hear the new XV5080 (JV2080 replacement) or whatever is hot! It's got some nice improvements. I have heard the new reverb is VERY useable. My bud says it's the best he has heard in a synth. I hope the Virus verb sounds good. Rick >The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 > >Rick. cheers rick, i did actually figure out from the previous few posts. it sounds like a cool idea, but as ever with new technology its going to be in rich studio's only for a few years yet. or if ever...heard of a dimension D chorus for instance? its been around for ages but still has a price tag of about £4000. my jv2080 is the *only* part of my studio that never crashes. james.I have recently had the opportunity to play with the new Roland synths a little bit; and I find them to be MUCH better sounding than the previous models, which I have never really been fond of. The effects sound VERY nice, and the interface isn't too bad. Waiting for a Virus rack myself, but others may find these units very cool. Brooks From: "Rick Reyes" Reply-To: "Rick Reyes" To: Subject: Re: rumors on new products Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 11:47:32 -0500 Dude, I hear the new XV5080 (JV2080 replacement) or whatever is hot! It's got some nice improvements. I have heard the new reverb is VERY useable. My bud says it's the best he has heard in a synth. I hope the Virus verb sounds good. Rick >The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 > >Rick. cheers rick, i did actually figure out from the previous few posts. it sounds like a cool idea, but as ever with new technology its going to be in rich studio's only for a few years yet. or if ever...heard of a dimension D chorus for instance? its been around for ages but still has a price tag of about £4000. my jv2080 is the *only* part of my studio that never crashes. james. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com In a message dated 4/13/00 11:47:20 AM, supercow@swbell.net writes: >I hear the new XV5080 (JV2080 replacement) or whatever is hot! I was impressed by it (saw/heard it at NAMM) also- 128 voices, fully backward compatible all the way to the JD-990, the expansion cards allow a 64 meg waveforms (i.e, a 64 meg piano), AND it is able to read Akai and Roland sample CDs (via SCSI), loading into as much as 128 megs of sample RAM. For about $2395US MSRP, this one box would replace 3-4 modules in my system, and solve all of my ROMpler and most of my sampler needs..... -MarshallBut only 6 notes of polyphony! What a jip for $2700 US. While an exciting application of formant synthesis, this technology is still in its infancy. Gerald Stringer wrote: >I must agree. Realtime pitch shift, tempo and formant is awesome. Playing chords with breaks and they stay in time. Awesome. It is revoulutionary. > >Gerald Stringer. > >---------- >>From: "Envelope Generator" To: >>Subject: Re: rumors on new products >>Date: Thu, Apr 13, 2000, 9:49 am >> > >>I mean, one and only interesting new technology on MusikMesse Frankfurt is ROLANDs ELASTIC AUDIO in VP9000. This technology is a death for classic samplers. ;o) >>All other manufactures repeat only subtractive synthesis in many forms. Elastic Audio is realy new way in sampling and audio processing. >> >>e.g. >> thanks alot for this info, it's good of you to post it especially for those of us on the other side of the world, cheers. but the best news I've heard from frankfurt is cubase for pc v5.0, hope it comes out on time in June craig -----Original Message----- From: K.9 Kai Niggemann [mailto:canine@muenster.de] Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 7:03 AM To: access-list@tl36.teklab.com Subject: back from frankfurt Hi there list, I haven't had time to catch up on the list yet, just want to give a quick account of the things I saw at the Frankfurt Messe. [Please bear in mind that say these things purely for myself and I am not speaking for anyone, any company or anything. ] Access: Virus indigo is beautiful. "Blau macht glŸcklich" as they say over here in Germany... The rack is a nice addition to the product line at under 2000DM list as I understand it. the reverb in 4.0 is cool, Marc Schlaile was doing some awesome things at the demo. Waldorf. on the same booth as access (Novation had a booth of their own this time around) they were showing 4 different versions of the Q. Blue and yellow, we all know those, then there is the Q-Rack and the new "Micro-Q", a two unit multitimbral successor to the pulse. 4 endless rotaries, bright yellow, 25 voices and upgradable to something like 70. It's a q minus the step sequencer if I remember it correctly and it's in the below 2000 DM listprice range as well. Waldorf is expecting to ship the PPG VST synth that I briefly heard in a demo by (who else) Wolfram Franke. Nice synth, nice user interface and a very good rendition of the original PPG engine (from what wolfgang was telling me was under the hood) Jomox many have been waiting for a long time and it seems the SunSyn is almost there. They still had carboard covers for a few of the buttons saying "don't touch" (meaning that the sunsyn would crash if you did) but the thing was there, sounded very powerful and good. You know the specs, I can't say much more about the sound because at the messe it's so noisy, it's hard to tell. Clavia Clavia took upon themselves the ordeal of the Nord Lead 3. Still no fx, but two filters and unison mode that uses all voices to stack up FAT sounds. That#s what the brochure says. The thing sounded nice in the demo, but nothing that blew me away for it's novelty, albeit the classic Nord sound which is always great. The big thing about it is a ring of LEDs around every parameter that is to give you a general idea of where the parameter is set, since everything is based on endless rotary dials. That's cool The Nord has a 2x16 display now but I couldn't really see the great innovation. Then there is the Nord Electro. A va machine for organs (B3) and electric pianos (wurlitzer, rhodes, etc). It sounded very sweet and warm. Even though this machine is probably not for everybody, I think for those needing sounds of a vintage sound it's a way cool machine. Clavia people said that most likely they will be making a rack version of this too. The Electro contains all the fx you would expect and need for e-pianos and organs. big ups! Akai was showing brightly colored versions of their remaining MPCs (3000 and 2000XL). Novation had a nova keyboard at their booth that I didn't have time to look at at first and forgot about later. Native Instruments were showing their "B4" VST organ. sounded nice, I only demoed it for a moment. Emagic SoundDiver 3.0 now uses a new format to describe sounds and studio setups, they made up a language modelled after HTML called SDL (?) Studio definition language if I recall correctly. It creates files that can be read by any application so any app can access the machines connected to your MIDI ports. I guess this is to be a OMS/Autolink replacement/improvement. SD now supports those new professional fader boxes that are coming out all over the place (the big ones for $2000) and gives you very easy means of connecting them to meaningful parameters and feed those parameter names back into the fader box's display. neat but expensive (the fader boxes are) Wave Burner Pro didn't catch a demo, don't know any specs. It's there though.;) Logic 4.5 supports surround sound, I forgot to ask about the plugins they mentioned in the ads. EXS24 release has been pushed to the end of may. Looks very nice to use. could hardly hear it for the surrounding noise... and there was so much more, I believe I am forgetting many many important things. Then again there wasn't time to see it all and I wanted to speak to all the people too... so frankfurt was a lot of fun and I am glad I went. I didn't get to see anyone from the list and I should have tried harder to check my email last night (damn mobile/psion connection was so slow, I gave up after 20 minutes) that I missed Rob Papen by about 30 minutes...;( I guess there is always next year...;-) this is my rushed and subjective view of the messe, don't let my account influence you in any way or live with the consequences. I am not responsible for your actions...;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------I think I'll wait until 5.02 at least. Jaded long time Cubase user here. I expect we'll have the usual Steinberg Cubase release progression: 5.00 - crippled due to major bugs 5.01 - bugs fixed, but new and more catastrophic bugs introduced resulting in an unusable product 5.02 - six months after 5.00, a stable release, with nothing *obvious* wrong, except a lingering lack of customer faith Do I sound bitter? Sorry. For some reason I keep using it though. Strange. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Gabe [mailto:gfg202@is8.nyu.edu] Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:13 PM To: access-list@teklab.com; Waldorf List; digitalhell Subject: Musik-Messe:Cubase Announces Version 5.0! Check it out everyone, cubase has skipped up 1.28 versions (3.7r2 is out now!) to version 5.0. For all of us Cubase users who envied the increased midi + audio functionality of Logic but couldn't handle the interface, well, this is the answer to our prayers (no environment, but looks like just about everything else is in there!). I won't bother going over the details suffice to say go to www.steinberg.net and check it out, imho, anyone who uses Cubase will want to do the upgrade.my son loves Pikachu with all his heart ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: ruthless?!?! To: Sent: Friday, April 14, 2000 2:48 AM Subject: Re: Musik-Messe:Cubase Announces Version 5.0! >i hate cubase with all my heart > >if i could only get cakewalk... > >justinOn Thu, 13 Apr 2000, Robert Tygers wrote: >>Where did you get 20%? I thought the Virus B has 3 DSP's (motorola right?) vs the Virus A's 1. > >That would make more sense - that, or they switched to a more recent and more powerful member of the 56300 family. The original post I was questioning said that the chip was the same except for the processor speed (80Mhz instead of 66 - or about 20% faster). The poster also said it was a 56302, but I'm guessing this was a typo, since there is no 80Mhz 56302...maybe they meant 56303, which was what I'd previously heard. Yes, that was me, and yes, it was a typo- it's a 56303, not a 302. And I don't know what was in the "A", only the "B". -- Member of Ho-Chunk nation.So did you listen to some of them again especially for the Cyclonix one (I am sure you didn't post this link before) which utilizes compressor for the most part. Yes. They're nice. I still don't want a compressor. In fact, I already have one and don't use it. >(if >it were you'd see it on synths as often as you see delay fx, but you don't). Not true. Most of the synths I have owned have compressor FXs on them, Nord Micro Modular, MC-505, JV-1080, Wavestation A/D, etc. Yes true. Every one of the synths you named also has a delay effect. I can name synths that don't have compression but do have delay (the E-Mu Morpheus, the Korg M-1, the Supernova, the Waldorf Q, etc.). I'm not aware of a single example of a synth that has a compressor but no delay. In addition, don't you think that your comment, "compressor on synth line is generally unnessary", totally subjective and flawful? No, I don't. If I did I wouldn't have said it in the first place. Most people do not use compression the way you use it. Who is to say compressor on synth lines is generally unnessary? The designers, for one. By far the most common usage of compressors is to control dynamic range, something that is very difficult to do with vocals or live instruments but trivially easy with synthesizers. This is why delays, choruses, and reverbs are much more common. And I said "generally unnecessary", meaning that most of the time you can get the desired results without using one. I did not say "absolutely unnecessary" or "useless." As I have said, to dis compressor won't make Access pick other features to add instead of it. What is the point in dissing anything at all? What is the point of discussing anything at all? All I asked is just when somebody wishes something, it's not right to kill those wishes just because you subjectively think it's not generally necessary. I'm not killing anything. You act like I have some kind of veto power or something. I'm expressing my opinion. It's not right to try and stop me from expressing my opinion. Whether or not you agree with me will not change that. Whether or not you think I should express my opinion will not change that. Period. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com It's true, Robert. Faster processors give you more voices and stuff. Yes, I'm very familiar with this mysterious phenomenon. What I was wondering was how Access managed to get at least double the power out of a mere 20% speed increase. German engineering, obviously, but I was hoping for a more complete explanation. One guess would be that somehow there's a huge amount of overhead involved before you even get to the voice generation, but that doesn't really make sense. Anyway, it's very impressive, considering the Supernova has, what, six times the DSP? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I saw this at the last NAMM show and it rocks! Very expensive but does things in non distructive real time that you now have to sit and wait minutes for and it does it better! A very powerful tool. LB440Yes, you can use Sysex to change patch on only one part. Since patch sysex is channel dependent. You have to dump each one on the part you wish to change it on and then fire those sysex data when you need to change patches. You mean edit the patches on the fly, essentially? Yes, that's one solution. It's a bit clunky though, especially if you're playing live and changing patches rapidly. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Where did you get 20%? I thought the Virus B has 3 DSP's (motorola right?) vs the Virus A's 1. Adrian * -----Original Message----- * From: Robert Tygers [mailto:robotchas@hotmail.com] * Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 4:33 PM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: re: DSP Speed * * * >It's true, Robert. Faster processors give you more * >voices and stuff. * * Yes, I'm very familiar with this mysterious phenomenon. What * I was wondering * was how Access managed to get at least double the power out * of a mere 20% * speed increase. German engineering, obviously, but I was * hoping for a more * complete explanation. One guess would be that somehow there's * a huge amount * of overhead involved before you even get to the voice * generation, but that * doesn't really make sense. Anyway, it's very impressive, * considering the * Supernova has, what, six times the DSP? * ______________________________________________________ * Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *It sounds like you need to turn off "multi program changes" and turn on "program changes". That way a program change changes the program of the midi channel it was received on and not the multi. No - the problem is that program changes are per channel, and if you're working with drums you might have several different patches assigned to different parts but responding to the same channel. If you send a program change on that channel, all the parts will change at once to the same program. If you indeed want to swtich to a different mult (because you want to change some sounds, while keeping others but change global parameters as well) you could make a copy of the current multi and change those things that you need to change. Then switch back and forth between those two *multis*. That's one way to do it, but I want to be able to change stuff on the fly while playing live, and I won't know in advance what's on the other parts in the multi. Basically I want to edit the current multi live. Is there a full sysex spec somewhere? I didn't see one on the website, but maybe I should look again. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Where did you get 20%? I thought the Virus B has 3 DSP's (motorola right?) vs the Virus A's 1. That would make more sense - that, or they switched to a more recent and more powerful member of the 56300 family. The original post I was questioning said that the chip was the same except for the processor speed (80Mhz instead of 66 - or about 20% faster). The poster also said it was a 56302, but I'm guessing this was a typo, since there is no 80Mhz 56302...maybe they meant 56303, which was what I'd previously heard. I know the Q has 3 DSPs, two for voicing and one for effects. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Robert Tygers wrote: >Yes. They're nice. I still don't want a compressor. In fact, I already have >one and don't use it. Thanks for the compliment :) The point wasn't you would now use it or not. You said you didn't see how compressor would be useful in a synth. So I just showed you only one out of infinite ways to use compressor to get more timbres out of a very simple synth architecture. >Yes true. Every one of the synths you named also has a delay effect. I can >name synths that don't have compression but do have delay (the E-Mu >Morpheus, the Korg M-1, the Supernova, the Waldorf Q, etc.). I'm not aware >of a single example of a synth that has a compressor but no delay. That wasn't my point either. You said most synths didn't have compressor on them (thus it wasn't necessary for a synth). So I just refreshed your memory with a few. >>In addition, don't you >>think that your comment, "compressor on synth line is >>generally unnessary", totally subjective and flawful? > >No, I don't. If I did I wouldn't have said it in the first place. Most >people do not use compression the way you use it. Most people don't use it the way I use it. A lot more people are using it in thousands of much more creative ways than you and I could imagine. >>Who is to say compressor on synth lines is generally >>unnessary? > >The designers, for one. By far the most common usage of compressors is to >control dynamic range, something that is very difficult to do with vocals or >live instruments but trivially easy with synthesizers. This is why delays, >choruses, and reverbs are much more common. And I said "generally >unnecessary", meaning that most of the time you can get the desired results >without using one. I did not say "absolutely unnecessary" or "useless." You won't believe how sound designers are very creative and unorthodox in using all these gear we think we know them. (That's partly why they are good and able to keep their jobs.) I didn't say you said absolutely unnecessary. I just said you apparently didn't know how 'a lot' of people were using compressor creatively. So I said it didn't make sense that you claimed 'most' people didn't use it (on synth line) and that it was unnecessary. >>As I have said, to dis compressor won't make Access pick other features to add instead of it. What is the >>point in dissing anything at all? > >What is the point of discussing anything at all? The point of discussing anything at all is for so many things. But to dis one thing to influence Access to put another thing in is not one of them. >I'm not killing anything. You act like I have some kind of veto power or >something. I'm expressing my opinion. It's not right to try and stop me from >expressing my opinion. Whether or not you agree with me will not change >that. Whether or not you think I should express my opinion will not change >that. Period. I am not trying to make you agree with me. I don't care if your opinion will change. I am not trying to stop you for expressing your opinion. I was begging you. (see the original thread title) I also explained nicely the reasons why no killing other wishes would be better for us all. I keep writing back and forth just to clarify things. I don't mean to be hostile or trying to control people's minds around here. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comrobert wrote: >You mean edit the patches on the fly, essentially? Yes, that's one solution. >It's a bit clunky though, especially if you're playing >live and changing >patches rapidly. No. I mean send the sysex of new patches to change patches of several part while playing live or whatever. I do this all the time. The Virus' processor is superfast. The sounds just change even when notes are sustained!!! Not clunky at all. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comi hate cubase with all my heart if i could only get cakewalk... justin -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Gabbert >I think I'll wait until 5.02 at least. Jaded long time Cubase user here. > >I expect we'll have the usual Steinberg Cubase release progression: > >5.00 - crippled due to major bugs >5.01 - bugs fixed, but new and more catastrophic bugs introduced resulting in an unusable product >5.02 - six months after 5.00, a stable release, with nothing *obvious* wrong, except a lingering lack of customer faith > >Do I sound bitter? Sorry. For some reason I keep using it though. Strange. > >Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Gabe [mailto:gfg202@is8.nyu.edu] >Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2000 8:13 PM To: access-list@teklab.com; Waldorf List; digitalhell Subject: Musik-Messe:Cubase Announces Version 5.0! > > >Check it out everyone, cubase has skipped up 1.28 versions (3.7r2 is out now!) to version 5.0. >For all of us Cubase users who envied the increased midi + audio functionality of Logic but couldn't handle the interface, well, this is the answer to our prayers (no environment, but looks like just about everything else is in there!). I won't bother going over the details suffice to say go >to www.steinberg.net and check it out, imho, anyone who uses Cubase will want to do the upgrade. Hello! just want to ask if any of u guys seen or heard any news about alesis a6 andromeda? thanks, Vardan. >Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:49:24 -0500 >To: access-list@teklab.com >From: Mark Pulver Subject: Roland VP9000 (was Re: rumors on new products) > >Rick Reyes (10:35 AM 04.13.2000) wrote: > >>The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 > >This is a wild product. I got to see/hear it at Winter NAMM. > >I have some babble here: > >http://www.midiwall.com/wnamm2000/views.html > > >Mark ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com! trance, electronica, news and downloads at http://www.futuretrance.com4K u.s. ! V Y wrote: >Hello! >just want to ask if any of u guys seen or heard any news about alesis a6 andromeda? thanks, >Vardan. > >>Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2000 10:49:24 -0500 >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>From: Mark Pulver Subject: Roland VP9000 (was Re: rumors on new products) >> >>Rick Reyes (10:35 AM 04.13.2000) wrote: >> >>>The Roland Vari-Phrase Sampler. I think it's called the VP9000 >> >>This is a wild product. I got to see/hear it at Winter NAMM. >> >>I have some babble here: >> >>http://www.midiwall.com/wnamm2000/views.html >> >> >>Mark > >------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com! trance, electronica, news and downloads at http://www.futuretrance.comIn a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:23 PM, goalova@goatrance.com writes: >just want to ask if any of u guys seen or heard any news about alesis a6 andromeda? I saw it at NAMM- heard it but didn't get a chance to touch it. It sounded very good, but I went over to the TSI booth to play the Waldorf Q and thought it sounded great also. The VA stuff has gotten close enough to the real thing that I am satisfied- and I owned a Minimoog for years....... -Marshall>I mean, one and only interesting new technology on MusikMesse Frankfurt is ROLANDs ELASTIC AUDIO in VP9000. This technology is a death for classic samplers. ;o) Yeah, it looks cool. More control to mangle samples has been needed for a long time, they can be *so* static and repetitive. >All other manufactures repeat only subtractive synthesis in many forms. Elastic Audio is realy new way in sampling and audio processing. I think Native Instrument's softsynth already has similar technology which does granular synthesis from samples. The results can be quite rough, I'm not sure whether the Roland would do better. Probably depends on how far one pushes it. Cheers, Thomas>Sorry, this is OT, but I was hoping someone could explain the advantages of Logic over CuBase...... There's lots of good stuff. But I'll illustrate the 4 points I made, which are the most important to me. >>Usable ergonomics? You've got two tools, one on each mouse button, so you don't get RSI from opening the toolbox & selecting tools constantly. >>Reliability? It's more reliable and less buggy than Cubase, though is compatible with a smaller range of audio hardware. Once you have the audio set up properly, it will almost never crash. Some people gig with Logic. >>Precision timing with standard MIDI interfaces? Your grooves will stamp, hop, or slide better with Logic playing them back. It has more accurate MIDI timing with any standard interface, and special Emagic interfaces give even better timing. >>Fast MIDI editing & programming? You can drag notes around without losing their 'feel', draw them in, quickly adjust velocities, times or lengths for several notes... These are all important to get the best musical feel, and this is fast & easy with Logic. I'm not much of a keyboardist so this is important to me. Cheers, ThomasHi Robert, >>Who is to say compressor on synth lines is generally unnessary? >The designers, for one. By far the most common usage of compressors is to control dynamic range, something that is very difficult to do with vocals or live instruments but trivially easy with synthesizers. ... Because there's a volume envelope and volume controls right on the synth! Vocalists and live players typically do not feature knobs to adjust their attack and release times. Cheers, Thomas>No. I mean send the sysex of new patches to change patches of several part while playing live or whatever. >I do this all the time. The Virus' processor is superfast. The sounds just change even when notes are sustained!!! Not clunky at all. Except the SysEx interrupts transmission of other MIDI, such as notes. The timing of these will go worse than clunky, it will be completely off. Cheers, Thomas>Dude, I hear the new XV5080 (JV2080 replacement) or whatever is hot! It's >got some nice improvements. I have heard the new reverb is VERY useable. My >bud says it's the best he has heard in a synth. I hope the Virus verb sounds >good. > >Rick yeah i'd like to check it out some time. it looks real nice too. on the subject of the VP9000 there are a *huge* number of studio's that *will* buy this technology. its *exactly* what remixers have been dreaming of. for the most part the price tag is irrelevant for a majority of these people. james.>I have recently had the opportunity to play with the new Roland synths a >little bit; and I find them to be MUCH better sounding than the previous >models, which I have never really been fond of. The effects sound VERY nice, >and the interface isn't too bad. Waiting for a Virus rack myself, but others >may find these units very cool. lets face it the 2080 is industry standard. i've seen it in about 90-95% of studio kit lists. james.At 7:27 PM -0700 on 13.04.2000 V Y wrote: Hello! just want to ask if any of u guys seen or heard any news about alesis a6 andromeda? thanks, Vardan. Yes I heard the devastating news that it's LFOs only go up to 60Hz. I think the Q does 5KHz and (or 2.5? can't remember now) and the kb does something like 1.5KHz. This is all second hand info, I don't know if this is true. But it's a rumor I heard from people who should know. think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thomas wrote: >Except the SysEx interrupts transmission of other MIDI, such as notes. The >timing of these will go worse than clunky, it will be completely off. LOL. Geez. Obviously, you have never done this before. As I have said, even when you have notes sustaining, ****Virus can change patch by sysex without even a slightest glitch!!!*** Please try it! norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comFDYI The alesis is real analog like the sunsyn and pulse Weld Marzzz@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 4/13/00 9:28:23 PM, goalova@goatrance.com writes: > >>just want to ask if any of u guys seen or heard any news about alesis a6 andromeda? > >I saw it at NAMM- heard it but didn't get a chance to touch it. It sounded very good, but I went over to the TSI booth to play the Waldorf Q and thought it sounded great also. The VA stuff has gotten close enough to the real thing that I am satisfied- and I owned a Minimoog for years....... > >-Marshall>Thomas wrote: > >>Except the SysEx interrupts transmission of other MIDI, such as notes. The >>timing of these will go worse than clunky, it will be completely off. > >LOL. Geez. Obviously, you have never done this before. As I have said, even when you have notes sustaining, ****Virus can change patch by sysex without even a slightest glitch!!!*** Please try it! > >norsez We need to know what your definition of sysex is. Sending a program change for a particular voice is not a problem and is not sysex. Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other midi data, I really doubt you are sending sysex data and note data at the same time.Hmm. Since you are the third person who are convinced, I have just realized how unbelievable this could sound. The sysex I am talking about is 260 bytes of Single syex data. We all know the Virus uses DSP to calculate all these great sounds. DSP does only mean fast. DSP also means *real time*. On other synths such as ROMplers, those sounds are not calculated in real time. When they receieve big sysex patch data as they are playing a sustaining note of one sound, they would choke or even lock up! But not our Virus. As soon as the Virus get the new patch sysex data, the sound generated in the next second will based totally on the new sysex it has just receieved. In fact, it's not just second, it's rather micro second. So even if you have your strings sound being played, you can make it change to a total different sound right in the middle of that note being played with a chunk of sysex data! I am sure you guys have noticed that when you play a long release sound and then switch to another long release sound while the release is still there. You hear that that release portion from the previous sound just turned into the new selected sound seamlessly. norsez --- Micheal Goins wrote: >We need to know what your definition of sysex is. Sending a program change >for a particular voice is not a problem and is not sysex. > >Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other midi data, I really doubt >you are sending sysex data and note data at the same time. > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>I am sure you guys have noticed that when you play a long release sound and then switch to another long release sound while the release is still there. You hear that that release portion from the previous sound just turned into the new selected sound seamlessly. > >norsez whoa...the only other synth i have is a 2080 at the moment. this sounds amazing. almost like the spectral morphing option within a kyma. very cool. can't wait to get my indigo. james.>The sysex I am talking about is 260 bytes of Single syex data. That would be small but still would be tenths of a second. The question would not be the DSP but the data transmission rate of midi. Any instrument is going receive midi at the same rate. This is a cool trick. I'm still wary of sending sysex during play while sending midi data to 14 other midi modules. Does the Virus have a patch change by CC's like the Pulse? The Pulse has every parameter assigned to a CC, therefore, you can send a series of CC's to 'change' the patch. This is a bit more comfortable to me since they do not have to together. Sysex, on the other hand, cannot be interrupted.>>... Because there's a volume envelope and volume controls right on the synth! Vocalists and live players typically do not feature knobs to adjust their attack and release times.<< Not to mention, how hard it would be to tweak their knobs and still maintain a professional relationship... :) Tony -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Whitmore [mailto:thomasw@trade-exchange.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2000 11:23 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Compressor Hi Robert, >>Who is to say compressor on synth lines is generally unnessary? >The designers, for one. By far the most common usage of compressors is to control dynamic range, something that is very difficult to do with vocals or live instruments but trivially easy with synthesizers. Cheers, ThomasJames, Don't do this trick on the 2080 because it will lock up or you might even have to reset. At least it is like that on my JV-1080 and MC-505. BTW, The effect doesn't really sound like morphing. It sounds just like normal pactch change. norsez --- James Green wrote: >>I am sure you guys have noticed that when you play >a >>long release sound and then switch to another long release sound while the release is still there. >You >>hear that that release portion from the previous >sound >>just turned into the new selected sound >seamlessly. >> >>norsez > >whoa...the only other synth i have is a 2080 at the moment. this sounds >amazing. almost like the spectral morphing option within a kyma. > >very cool. can't wait to get my indigo. > >james. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>James, > >Don't do this trick on the 2080 because it will lock up or you might even have to reset. At least it is like that on my JV-1080 and MC-505. BTW, The effect doesn't really sound like morphing. It sounds just like normal pactch change. > >norsez on absolutely! i *can't* do it on the fly with the 2080. well, in actual fact you can but not whilst there is a note sounding. you can do a patch change on a non sounding channel and that will leave everything else sounding okay. a program change on the other hand kills the bloody lot. just out of interest your saying that trying this has locked up your 1080? have a good weekend all. james.James, Yes. And what I did with the 1080 was a lot more simpler than this. I have a sequence run and use sysex to tweak resonance in real time. The data is only like 7-8 bytes per message. It stopped sending any sound at all, until I turned the power off and on again. The experience when I did this with the MC-505 was even worse. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>>LOL. Geez. Obviously, you have never done this before. As I have said, even when you have notes sustaining, ****Virus can change patch by sysex without even a slightest glitch!!!*** Please try it! >> >>norsez > >We need to know what your definition of sysex is. Sending a program change for a particular voice is not a problem and is not sysex. > >Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other midi data, I really doubt you are sending sysex data and note data at the same time. there's no MIDI note data being transferred when a note is being sustained. -zshey, i just got an s2000 and im utterly confused by the saving functions of it. if anyone knows anything about it or has one if you could email me privately id appreciate it much. oh yeah, go virus justinThx for the CD weldJohn (E. Potter), I have put two clips up at http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/3731/virus.html Only the synth line is applied with compressor in one of the clips. The drum tracks are dry in both clips. Hope you feel a larger intensity in the compressed synth line. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comMicheal Goins wrote: >>The sysex I am talking about is 260 bytes of Single >>syex data. >That would be small but still would be tenths of a second. The question would not be the DSP but the data transmission rate >of midi. Any instrument is going receive midi at the same rate. No. The MIDI transmission rate is not the case here. It's the time taken for a synth to generate a sound according to the incoming sysex. All this happens after the sysex is completely transmitted. >This is a cool trick. I'm still wary of sending sysex during play while >sending midi data to 14 other midi modules. Does the Virus have a patch >change by CC's like the Pulse? The Virus uses CC just to change bank (CC# 0 or 32). norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comyour welcome... i've been getting great reviews.... yay!!! mike-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: brooks rongstad Aan: access-list@teklab.com Datum: donderdag 13 april 2000 14:48 Onderwerp: Frankfurt |Hey All, |Does anybody have any solid info on the new Nord, and Waldorf micro Q yet?! |I'm very curious, and I can't seem to find any posted information yet. I mean the Virus 4.0 is news! Some great new features. And...the Alesis A6 (Andromeda) is hot news....very hot Rob | |Brooks |______________________________________________________ |Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com |hi, i'm sorry for this slightly offtopic posting in german but it's mainly addressed to the german virus user!! ich habe die tage einen webring eingerichtet, der deutschen electronic artists gewidmet ist. wenn ihr also musiker mit website seid, egal welcher stilrichtung, dann schaut doch 'mal vorbei. http://www.cymotec.de/hertzschlag/ ich wuerde mich ueber eine positive resonanz und eure site sich sicherlich ueber den zusaetzlichen traffic freuen... gruss, cy -- _______________________________________________ http://www.cymotec.de cymotec cyclone - industrial dance from germany ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Hey Michael - Thanks for the CD - I've listened to it a couple times through. Pretty good stuff. Was the Virus the main synth you used? I especially like the subtle use of the vocoder in song 2 - "into yourself". Also, the subtle arpeggio lines popping up about 2 min. into #3 and 3 1/2 min into #6. I like the moments of ambience thrown in there too - "new directions" and "intermission". Congratulations. JohnIn a message dated 4/15/00 2:46:08 PM, jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com writes: << Thanks for the CD - I've listened to it a couple times through. Pretty good stuff. Was the Virus the main synth you used? >> Thank you sooo much for your message... i used the virus for all the cool stuff:) but for everything else i used some tr-rack, jv1080, k2svx, and dm5... i also included many more acoustic instruments than the last album... thanks again... michael geronsin....can the virus vocoder give the same effect as the old r and b(love u baby) talkboxes did??I was there yesterday. there«s nothing more important for us electronic musicans to add to k.9s overview.or is anyone interested in guitar amps,karaoke player or the brandnew dolphinstyle e-bass from chang chong tong? ;-) os 4.0 is awesome. the groove delay and the new reverb are "wow". You have to see the see the virus indigo in real.it rocks!blue LEDs,blue display and massive aluminium side ends. It«s available for 3690 dm list price in the near future. stay fresh jens "K.9 Kai Niggemann" schrieb: > >Hi there list, > >I haven't had time to catch up on the list yet, just want to give a quick account of the things I saw at the Frankfurt Messe. > >[Please bear in mind that say these things purely for myself and I am not speaking for anyone, any company or anything. ] > >Access: >Virus indigo is beautiful. "Blau macht glŸcklich" as they say over here in Germany... >The rack is a nice addition to the product line at under 2000DM list as I understand it. >the reverb in 4.0 is cool, Marc Schlaile was doing some awesome things at the demo. > ............isnt that a bit more expensive that the kb? >It´s available for 3690 dm list price in the near future.Thats $1860 u.s. retail I was only 65$ off : ) Weld Jens Wegerhoff wrote: >.it rocks!blue LEDs,blue >display and massive aluminium >side ends. >It«s available for 3690 dm list price in the near future. > >stay fresh > >jens > >"K.9 Kai Niggemann" schrieb: >> >>Hi there list, >> >>I haven't had time to catch up on the list yet, just want to give a quick account of the things I saw at the Frankfurt Messe. >> >>[Please bear in mind that say these things purely for myself and I am not speaking for anyone, any company or anything. ] >> >>Access: >>Virus indigo is beautiful. "Blau macht glŸcklich" as they say over here in Germany... >>The rack is a nice addition to the product line at under 2000DM list as I understand it. >>the reverb in 4.0 is cool, Marc Schlaile was doing some awesome things at the demo. >> >............Dizzy J. wrote: >isnt that a bit more expensive that the kb? uuuummmm.... no keyboard lists or 2295$ u.s. the indigo if my conversion is right will be 1860$ u.s Weld Dizzy J. wrote: >isnt that a bit more expensive that the kb? > >>It«s available for 3690 dm list price in the near future.This could be different from country to country.my info is, the indigo is made of a more expensive hardware(blue LEDs,diplay...).we will see what the street price is. but,i think it«s a fair price in comparison with the kb.and more than a fair price compared to other new synths! stay fresh jens "Dizzy J." schrieb: > >isnt that a bit more expensive that the kb? > >>It«s available for 3690 dm list price in the near future.ok, cool. that very much influences my waiting, or purchacing a a kb now thanks -dj > >uuuummmm.... no >keyboard lists or 2295$ u.s. >the indigo if my conversion is right will be 1860$ u.s Weld At 12:17 PM -0400 on 15.04.2000 luxx wrote: can the virus vocoder give the same effect as the old r and b(love u baby) talkboxes did?? you can get there almost, but a vocoder is not a talkbox and so the effect will be different. A talkbox has more modulation in there, I think. If you tune the OSCs way down, you should be able to get to something wuite close to a talkbox. But if you are thinking of "california love", the only way to get there will be a talkbox. But beware: these thingees are dangereous to your teeth. The vibrations can cause your teeth to fall out!... no joke too,...! think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ teeth fall out?? is this a joke? please explain..Thomas, >As you repeat yourself, without bothering to read properly... >My point is about timing of notes, not the continuation of sustain. Timing >is about changes happening, and when the interface is busy with SysEx there >ARE NO OTHER EVENTS sent and timing is no good. No. It's you who never read my posts properly. I am going to say it for the third time. Your paragraph above doesn't apply to the Virus. Seriously, have you tried doing this yet? >I'd slap your face if I could tell it apart from yo ass. >Perhaps you should re-consider which end does the talking. FYI, nobody cares to remember who is wrong, right, smarter or dumber on this list. So there is no need to act all childish to me. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comHello Is there anyone that owns an O1v and the Alesis ADAT edit card and a Mac? If so, how is it working? Any issues? Are you using Cubase or Logic? I have an O1v with the adat card installed and intend to buy the Alesis Adat card for obvious reasons. thx!Thomas , we arent here on trading floor , so keep your flaming for your own . And youre both right , but speaking from different things so i would consider that you read first before you answer . Oli Thomas Whitmore schrieb: >>No. I mean send the sysex of new patches to change patches of several part while playing live or whatever. > >>I do this all the time. The Virus' processor is superfast. The sounds just change even when notes are sustained!!! Not clunky at all. > >Except the SysEx interrupts transmission of other MIDI, such as notes. The timing of these will go worse than clunky, it will be completely off. > >Cheers, >ThomasCan patches be changed with any sequencer? How does this work? I have both an RM1x and Logic Audio and a 360 Systems Midi Merge. Any help would be great!>Can patches be changed with any sequencer? How does this work? I have both >an RM1x and Logic Audio and a 360 Systems Midi Merge. Any help would be great! I only know hardware sequencers: Yes. Program Change and Bank Change are essential parts of any sequencer. If you cannot directly input and specify a Program Change, then record a program change from a synth that transmits it. Helpful hints. 1) Some bank change methods vary from synth to synth. Easiest way to determine: setup your sequencer to record the synth midi output, change the program and bank on the synth (ensure that it is setup to transmit this) and look at the data. Heck, you can even use this recorded data for the track. 2) Use you controller keyboard for maximum efficiency. Previewing sounds: use the program change function on your master controller to quickly audition sounds. This keeps you from having reach all over the place. If you do reach anywhere, it can just be to select another track on your sequencer (with 'soft thru' enabled it redirects your midi data to the appropriate channel) and therefore audition yet another synth. Using this I audition a few hundred sounds on 10 modules in minutes without even touching any of the synths.hey list just thought I'd share... underneath the link on http://geocities.yahoo.com/edsarkiss_kawh/ lives my latest creation. Most of the parts are my Virus A (all pads, the "nervous" sound, many others) and the rest are either a FS1R (square-wave 303-thru-a-phaser sound), QS6(high hats), or S3000XL(deep bassline, kick, jingly sound, etc). maybe you'll like it -zs>>Can patches be changed with any sequencer? How does this work? I have >both >>an RM1x and Logic Audio and a 360 Systems Midi Merge. Any help would be great! > > >I only know hardware sequencers: >Yes. Program Change and Bank Change are essential parts of any sequencer. If you cannot directly input and specify a Program Change, then record a program change from a synth that transmits it. As far as sending sysex to change patches, yes for most sequencers. As a matter of fact, many work with entire entire studio configurations embedded in a song as sysex. Doesn't matter what was already on any synth, since the first few bars would nothing but multi dumps, patch dumps to various machine to their edit buffers. Guaranteed to have every piece of equipment on the correct patch for *that* song. Never have to worry about backing up a machine. If a particular synth breaks, get another identical one without having to transfer data or setting the new one up since it's going to that big dump anyway.>Thomas , we arent here on trading floor , so keep your flaming for your own . Which flame is that? You quote my mesage immediately below which has no flame in it. Anything Norsez quoted was sent to him privately. He has chosen to quote it into a public posting, despite my intention to keep the flame off the list. >From this point on, I have zero tolerance. Norsez continues to say that SUSTAIN is unaffected. Sure, there are no events sent and no timing involved. He does not bother to understand that TRANSMISSION of MIDI notes is interrupted. Michael Goins understands this : >Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other midi data, I really doubt you are sending sysex data and note data at the same time. Zack Steinkamp understands this : >there's no MIDI note data being transferred when a note is being sustained. Oliver understands this : >And youre both right , but speaking from different things so i would consider that you read first before you answer . Thomas>This could be different from country to country.my info is, the indigo is made of a >more expensive hardware(blue LEDs,diplay...).we will see what the street >price is. >but,i think it«s a fair price in comparison with the kb.and more than a >fair price compared to >other new synths! > >stay fresh > >jens the last time I looked a red led cost about 10p and a blue one cost £5 that's one hell of an increase...i expect to pay for this baby...can't wait :O) james.Can someone send me the environment for the Access Virus OS 3.0 Thanks,Zack - Very nice work. JP ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zack Steinkamp" To: Sent: Sunday, April 16, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: new song >hey list > >just thought I'd share... > >underneath the link on >http://geocities.yahoo.com/edsarkiss_kawh/ lives my latest creation. > >Most of the parts are my Virus A (all pads, the "nervous" sound, many others) and the rest are either a FS1R (square-wave 303-thru-a-phaser sound), QS6(high hats), or S3000XL(deep bassline, kick, jingly sound, etc). > >maybe you'll like it > >-zs--- Thomas Whitmore >Anything Norsez quoted was sent to him privately. He has chosen to quote it >into a public posting, despite my intention to keep the flame off the list. >From this point on, I have zero tolerance. Oops sorry. Hate to blame the list server, but I only have to post from mail.yahoo.com only. When you sent your last mail to me, I didn't notice it was sent to me privately. >Michael Goins understands this : >>Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other >midi data, I really >>doubt you are sending sysex data and note data at >the same time. > >Zack Steinkamp understands this : >>there's no MIDI note data being transferred when a >note is being >>sustained. > >Oliver understands this : >>And youre both right , but speaking from different >things so i would >>consider that you read first before you answer . Yeah and they all understand now that this doesn't apply with the Virus and that was my original point. However, you obviously still don't. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comhi.all www.access-music.de have a new design check it! Hey All, Does anyone out there know where to find pix, or specs for the new Waldorf Micro-Q? I'm mighty curious about this one, as well as the Virus rack. Thanx, Brooks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com brooks rongstad (08:46 AM 04.17.2000) wrote: >Hey All, >Does anyone out there know where to find pix, or specs for the new Waldorf Micro-Q? I'm mighty curious about this one, as well as the Virus rack. http://www.till-kopper.de/microQ.jpg (pic courtesy if Till Kopper) Due out in late summer; looking to retail at under US $1000; up to 75 voice polyphony; same basic engine from the Q, but reduced feature set (no sequencer, LFOs may not run out past 2.5khz like the Q does). Mark __________________________________________________ Check out the Waldorf Q: http://www.midiwall.com/q Blue Led's are still a bit more pricey than red one, but not like they were many years ago. Last I checked, (year or two ago) they could be had for around a $1 a piece. Maybe cheaper now. * -----Original Message----- * From: James Green [mailto:james@occam-dm.com] * Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 1:39 AM * To: 'access-list@teklab.com' * Subject: RE: back from frankfurt * * * > This could be different from country to country.my info is, * the indigo * > is made of a * > more expensive hardware(blue LEDs,diplay...).we will see what * > the street * > price is. * > but,i think it«s a fair price in comparison with the kb.and * > more than a * > fair price compared to * > other new synths! * > * > stay fresh * > * > jens * * the last time I looked a red led cost about 10p and a blue one cost £5 * that's one hell of an increase...i expect to pay for this * baby...can't wait * :O) * * james. *>Blue Led's are still a bit more pricey than red one, but not like they were >many years ago. Last I checked, (year or two ago) they could be had for >around a $1 a piece. Maybe cheaper now. any idea's for a uk list price for the indigo yet? james.where about's? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:41 PM To: Access List Subject: Killer virus kbd price My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers Weldoops, sorry, that was suppose to be private... ...but if anyone else know where to get'em cheap in Canada lemme know... B -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Rodgers [mailto:brodgers@ofdc.on.ca] Sent: Monday, April 17, 2000 4:24 PM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: RE: Killer virus kbd price where about's? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:41 PM To: Access List Subject: Killer virus kbd price My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers WeldIn a message dated 4/17/00 9:36:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time, marian@mudecin.cz writes: << hi.all www.access-music.de have a new design check it >> Oh Christ....this is too funny. Please let me in on this dealer, I might not get the Virus kb for now but they might have other equibments that I'm interested at low price!! Thanks in advance..... Chi From: Bryan Rodgers Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: "'access-list@teklab.com'" Subject: RE: Killer virus kbd price Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:23:57 -0400 where about's? Bryan -----Original Message----- From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:41 PM To: Access List Subject: Killer virus kbd price My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers Weld ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com sorry cant share those prices anymore per the request of the company Cheers weld Chi Hoang wrote: >Please let me in on this dealer, I might not get the Virus kb for now but they might have other equibments that I'm interested at low price!! Thanks in advance..... > >Chi > >>From: Bryan Rodgers Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: "'access-list@teklab.com'" Subject: RE: Killer virus kbd price >>Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2000 16:23:57 -0400 >> >>where about's? >> >>Bryan >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: bigw [mailto:bigw@onbuffalo.com] Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 7:41 PM >>To: Access List >>Subject: Killer virus kbd price >> >> >>My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers >>Weld > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comHi people, Just to clear up any confusion... [Michael Goins says :] >Sysex by definition cannot be interupted by other midi data, I really doubt you are sending sysex data and note data at the same time. [Norsez says :] >Yeah and they all understand now that this doesn't apply with the Virus and that was my original point. Incorrect. The Virus requires a MIDI interface just like any other synth. The MIDI protocol is *defined* not to transmit SysEx simultaneously with any other events such as notes on or off. For this reason it is not possible to play (for example) a hi-hat or bass line while dumping SysEx. The SysEx dump will prevent notes on or off being sent and disrupt the timing for the period of the dump. Given the MIDI data rate of about 34,000 baud and 10 bits per 'byte' including start and stop bit of serial comms protocol, there's a byte transfer rate of about 3400 byte / sec. SysEx dump of 260 bytes will cause an interruption of 76 milliseconds. You can test this by looping a part, eg 16th hihat, and manually triggering SysEx dumps from your sequencer while it runs. The timing will be disrupted briefly while the dump goes. [Norsez politely states :] >However, you obviously still don't. I got it like that, I get it like that, I have it like that, I like it like that. Are you gonna respond with your detailed technical explanation? Does it feature the Tooth Fairy? And maybe you as a big-time star? Do you ride in a bouncing limo? I look forward to full details, don't censor anything, I want to hear all that bizarre/ wierd stuff.... Cheers, Thomashi! i have bought a virus b some days ago and i am really fascinated by this instrument. it can sound very smoth and clean as well as dirty and ugly :-) but i have a big problem now. for me it seems that the buttons of the virus are quite delicate, it seems that they are willing to brake in any moment. already after 2 days the "value" and "parameter" buttons make strange "klick" noises and they do not seem to work properly. sometimes you have to press them stronger in order to have the value changed. i am quite afraid of this, because i have the same problem with my korg 01w. it happened already 3 times that i had to change the buttons, but this was after 5 years of use. again yesterday one of my 01w buttons said goodbye, so i have to get it fixed again. now my virus is very new but i am not sure that the buttons will live for a very long time. i would like to ask all of the virus users if they have already had some problems with buttons, knobs or whatever. for example, buttons of my nordlead are very resistant, i have never had any problem with it. still it's a pity that at the quite high price of the virus, it is not possible to get at least a stabile instrument. what do you think? o. ___________________ O LUV www.besonic.com/oluv I have to agree - the keys do look like a weakness. I'm not a virus owner myself, but having looked at a Virus in Turnkey (big London music shop with a lot of kit on permanent demo) several of the keys seem loose already. I know demo kit gets treated very roughly, but it did concern me enough to wonder if a virus is the machine for me. Perhaps Access will address this on new units (and the Indigo) and suggest a replacement part number for users having problems - they certainly seem to have good attitude towards support. Rich -----Original Message----- From: Olaf Lubanski [mailto:Lubanski-O@mdw.ac.at] Sent: 18 April 2000 10:43 but i have a big problem now. for me it seems that the buttons of the virus are quite delicate, it seems that they are willing to brake in any moment. already after 2 days the "value" and "parameter" buttons make strange "klick" noises and they do not seem to work properly. >Given the MIDI data rate of about 34,000 baud and 10 bits per 'byte' including start and stop bit of serial comms protocol, there's a byte transfer rate of about 3400 byte / sec. SysEx dump of 260 bytes will cause an interruption of 76 milliseconds. > >You can test this by looping a part, eg 16th hihat, and manually triggering >SysEx dumps from your sequencer while it runs. The timing will be disrupted >briefly while the dump goes. His (Norsez) scenario was to transmit sysex during a note on event (ie. between note events) so there would be no interruption. I tried this myself and it works (well, not with a virus, but others). You are actually changing the parameters of the patch while it is sustained. I actually think for this topic, everyone was right. Thomas was right, Norsez was right, etc, it's just we were imagining different scenarios.I have a new track out at: www.mp3.com/subgenius called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for the intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be amazed at the variety of sounds that this instrument can produce (with the help of the amazing sound designers we have in this crowd!). Cheers all, DennisDoes anyone know of any other Cubase VST drum samplers besides LM-4? Thanks! Gabehey dennis that really sounds great you've got some killer details in there (the panning reverb, etc...) how many tracks were sequenced by your notron? do you find that it helps with the process of creation again, your song is ripping! zs On 00-04-18 08:50, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: >I have a new track out at: > >www.mp3.com/subgenius > >called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for the intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be amazed at the variety of sounds that this instrument can produce (with the help of the amazing sound designers we have in this crowd!). > >Cheers all, > >Dennis Thanks for the feedback zs. I sent the Notron info below privately to Oli but since others appear to also be interested I'll forward it to the whole group. In summary the Notron is a GREAT companion to the Virus. For more info check out www.notron.com ------------------- I am very happy with my Notron - I used it to create most of the synth loops in "Amnesia". I've found it to be a great creative tool. It is a bit on the pricey side, though. It essentially offers 4 "tracks", each up to 16 steps long. You really won't be able to sequence full songs on it, just lines or loops (though there is a chain feature that allows you to chain several lines together). It has tons of buttons, knobs, and lights and is an exquisite looking instrument. And not many are out there - I think I have serial number 54! It has many features but some of the unique ones that I use alot: "Super Steps" - unique profiles of controller, pitch bend, or aftertouch values that can be applied to any step of the sequence. "Overdrive" - can trigger any step multiple times (turn a 16th note into a 32nd or 64th). "Beat Creep" - make subtle or not-so-subtle changes to the beat by selecting different beat creep patterns. "Echo" - will retrigger notes at differnent selectable intervals There is no LCD to speak of so it does take awhile to learn how to use some of the features but I've found that most everything is straightforward and I was able to come up to speed pretty quick. Overall I've found it very easy to input different sequences and then tweak them using Notron's many features. Very little is hidden under an interface so it is quick and easy to make changes. Almost all features can be edited/changed while the sequencer is running for that immediate feedback. I think that the designer's philosophy was to create an instrument that allows and encourages that "accident" that turns a so-so beat into something that really kicks. This has happened a lot for me. Hope that helps, Dennis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: New Track - Amnesia (nearly all Virus) Author: Non-HP-zs (zs@yahoo-inc.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 10:51 AM hey dennis that really sounds great you've got some killer details in there (the panning reverb, etc...) how many tracks were sequenced by your notron? do you find that it helps with t he process of creation again, your song is ripping! zs On 00-04-18 08:50, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > I have a new track out at: > >www.mp3.com/subgenius > >called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for the >intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be amazed at > the variety of sounds that this instrument can produce (with the help > of the amazing sound designers we have in this crowd!). > >Cheers all, > >Dennis Forwarded from another list: >From: "matrix" Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 > >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: > > >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >Access Virus rack..........$749 > >Our first shipment will be here in June. Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! And the price seems reasonable. To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the Virus B - do you think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety of sounds? I've heard about many of the new features but in the final analysis what do y'all think about the upgrade? -Dennis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM Forwarded from another list: >From: "matrix" >Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 > >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: > > >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >Access Virus rack..........$749 > >Our first shipment will be here in June. I loved the original Virus, but when I upgraded (grudgingly at first), I couldn't believe the difference...I was actually able to a/b the units, and see what a difference the new converters made. When V3.0b was released...I was in hog heaven! The phaser is wonderful, the analog boost is kick ass, and having a total of four OSC made this synth undeniably irreplaceable. NOW...these crazy Access guys are gonna put in even MORE killer features...AND IT'S FREE!!!!!! Hands down, the Virus B is WELL worth the upgrade! Not that the Virus A was anything to sneeze at, but the B is the (B)omb!!!! Brooks From: dennis_schissler@hp.com Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com CC: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 12:47:57 -0700 Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! And the price seems reasonable. To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the Virus B - do you think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety of sounds? I've heard about many of the new features but in the final analysis what do y'all think about the upgrade? -Dennis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM Forwarded from another list: >From: "matrix" Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 > >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: > > >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >Access Virus rack..........$749 > >Our first shipment will be here in June. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com If that's the actual street price, I think I'd rather have a Virus Kb (about 50 bucks more) which I could then spray paint blue with blue gels over the LED's. :o) in bitchery, Adrian * -----Original Message----- * From: dennis_schissler@hp.com [mailto:dennis_schissler@hp.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:48 PM * Cc: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Re: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * * * Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! * * And the price seems reasonable. * * To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the * Virus B - do you * think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety * of sounds? * I've heard about many of the new features but in the * final analysis * what do y'all think about the upgrade? * * * -Dennis * * * ______________________________ Reply Separator * _________________________________ * Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 * Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM * * * * Forwarded from another list: * * >From: "matrix" * >Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices * >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 * > * >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: * > * > * >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 * >Access Virus rack..........$749 * > * >Our first shipment will be here in June. *I actually agree. I think thats too much for the little bastard. I mean, all that extra cost, and all it does is LOOK cooler? kind of a shallow reason to buy it I think. I will get the KB and for $50 extra and 2 more octaves on the board. Its kind of like buying a guitar because its knobs go to 11.. Just me 2cents (soon to be $1700) Tony -----Original Message----- From: Phillips, Adrian [mailto:Adrian_Phillips@CalPERS.CA.GOV] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:49 PM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: RE: (access users sukkas?) Access Indigo US Prices Importance: Low If that's the actual street price, I think I'd rather have a Virus Kb (about 50 bucks more) which I could then spray paint blue with blue gels over the LED's. :o) in bitchery, Adrian * -----Original Message----- * From: dennis_schissler@hp.com [mailto:dennis_schissler@hp.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:48 PM * Cc: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Re: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * * * Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! * * And the price seems reasonable. * * To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the * Virus B - do you * think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety * of sounds? * I've heard about many of the new features but in the * final analysis * what do y'all think about the upgrade? * * * -Dennis * * * ______________________________ Reply Separator * _________________________________ * Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 * Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM * * * * Forwarded from another list: * * >From: "matrix" * >Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices * >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 * > * >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: * > * > * >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 * >Access Virus rack..........$749 * > * >Our first shipment will be here in June. *not sure about that...looks give confidence, confidence breeds creativity. ok, im really reaching why I should wait 2 months or more to save $50 for something that looks cool. how about this, on my double teir stand, I had planned on creating a jig to hold the indigo and my rm1x. Cant do that with the kb version...ya..footprint..thats the reason :) -dj On Tue, 18 Apr 2000, Tony Scharf wrote: >I actually agree. I think thats too much for the little bastard. I mean, all that extra cost, and all it does is LOOK cooler? kind of a shallow reason to buy it I think. I will get the KB and for $50 extra and 2 more octaves on the board. Its kind of like buying a guitar because its knobs go to 11.. > >Just me 2cents (soon to be $1700) > >Tony > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Phillips, Adrian [mailto:Adrian_Phillips@CalPERS.CA.GOV] Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 3:49 PM >To: 'access-list@teklab.com' >Subject: RE: (access users sukkas?) Access Indigo US Prices Importance: Low > > >If that's the actual street price, I think I'd rather have a Virus Kb (about 50 bucks more) which I could then spray paint blue with blue gels over the LED's. > >:o) > >in bitchery, >Adrian > >* -----Original Message----- >* From: dennis_schissler@hp.com [mailto:dennis_schissler@hp.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 12:48 PM * Cc: access-list@teklab.com >* Subject: Re: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * >* >* Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! >* >* And the price seems reasonable. >* >* To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the >* Virus B - do you >* think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety >* of sounds? >* I've heard about many of the new features but in the >* final analysis >* what do y'all think about the upgrade? >* >* >* -Dennis >* >* >* ______________________________ Reply Separator * _________________________________ >* Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices * Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 * Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM >* >* >* >* Forwarded from another list: >* >* >From: "matrix" * >Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >* >Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 * > >* >>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: * > >* > >* >Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >* >Access Virus rack..........$749 >* > >* >Our first shipment will be here in June. * more difference than say going from a Nord 1 to a mk2 IMHO Weld dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: >Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! > >And the price seems reasonable. > >To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the Virus B - do you think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety of sounds? I've heard about many of the new features but in the final analysis what do y'all think about the upgrade? > > >-Dennis > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices >Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM > > >Forwarded from another list: > >>From: "matrix" Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 >> >>>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: >> >> >>Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >>Access Virus rack..........$749 >> >>Our first shipment will be here in June.Hi Michael, >His (Norsez) scenario was to transmit sysex during a note on event (ie. between note events) so there would be no interruption. This only works reliably if you're not sending notes or controllers. Otherwise it will disrupt what else should be playing to the Virus. Norsez' original idea was to send sysex while playing live. [Norsez originally said :] >No. I mean send the sysex of new patches to change patches of several part while playing live or whatever. I do this all the time. The Virus' processor is superfast. The sounds just change even when notes are sustained!!! Not clunky at all. Sending patches by SysEx is nice and I do it all the time while writing, but it is not generally suitable for live or performance use. It might work in a few situations where eg just some pad is held. Cheers, ThomasI forgot to mention this in a reply to an earlier post. Another major reason for upgrading to the B is the new "KICK ASS" panel design. It really makes the grade. The extra Part buttons and Edit Menus are VERY useful, as well as the new LFO setup. The new screen and paint looks nice too :-) I just remembered as I spent some time with my Baby! (uh the B that is!) Rickreally awesome zack .... i looooove the jingly noises . ... like gunshells falling on the floor!!!! be>Does anyone know of any other Cubase VST drum samplers besides LM-4? FXpansion do a similar VST instrument drum-sampler. Apparently it is easier to load and organize the samples... Cheers, ThomasHis (Norsez) scenario was to transmit sysex during a note on event (ie. between note events) so there would be no interruption. I tried this myself and it works (well, not with a virus, but others). You are actually changing the parameters of the patch while it is sustained. Right. It took me a while to get used to the way the Virus would change the currently sustaining sound in midnote (it does this on program changes too). The behavior I'm used to is to continue sustaining notes without changing their patches so that only notes played after the program change will use the new patch, but given that all of the Virus parameters can be changed via MIDI it makes sense that it would work this way. And it is very fast, yes. Still doesn't solve my problem since, as Thomas pointed out, the MIDI stream coming into the synth will be monopolized by any sysex and thus timing (on any synth, on any channel) will be compromised. I don't want to have to schedule my program changes around my sequence timing, and 260 bytes is still a lot larger than 2 or 3 for a channel message. I'd still like to see a "Part Change" message that would send bank and program changes to multi parts by part rather than by channel. Otherwise I can see this becoming a problem when playing live. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I havenÇt followed previous postings to this question as I only re- subscribed yesterday, but for me I canÊ say that I thought about the upgrade but then decided that NO,Ê the Virus A only having a rather cheap reselling value now on the used marked, whereas the Virus B not yet, so the price difference is enormous - in German Marks that is 1500DM for a used V1 and about 2700 to 2800DM for a new B. That would be more than 1000DM to spend on some voices, a third oscillator, more effects (does anybody not have enough effects...?) and thats it: of course pretty much the same overall sound. I Çve compared: Pad sounds are a little bit more beautyful on the Virus b, the rest quite similar... So decide - I donÇt think that the Virus B is worth the expensive upgrade... Last butÊÊnot least Chr. Kemper seems to intend another OS upgrade with new hfeatures also for the first Virus. So just be patient and make music with your instrument... Have a nice day,Ê Bernhard, Berlin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Reyes To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:10 AM Subject: Upgrading to Virus B I forgot to mention this in a reply to an earlier post. Another major reason for upgrading to the B is the new "KICK ASS" panel design. It really makes the grade. The extra Part buttons and Edit Menus are VERY useful, as well as the new LFO setup. The new screen and paint looks nice too :-) I just remembered as I spent some time with my Baby! (uh the B that is!) Rick I would not subscribe that : It sounds fatter , i found the A too tiny in sound . There was lacking something . The B has exactly what i searched for (i mean it has 8 more voices , more powerful LFO and FM algoritthms , a 3. osc which makes a big difference and effects that kick ass (no i havent enough high quality effects that i can store with my patch). and it is the model that further updates will be made for , i think you will only get a small update on the A . And you cant compare second hand prices with new gear prices . just my 2 c Oli BeSchue schrieb: I haven«t followed previous postings to this question as I only re- subscribed yesterday, but for me I canÊ say that I thought about the upgrade but then decided that NO,Ê the Virus A only having a rather cheap reselling value now on the used marked, whereas the Virus B not yet, so the price difference is enormous - in German Marks that is 1500DM for a used V1 and about 2700 to 2800DM for a new B.ÊThat would be more than 1000DM to spend on some voices, a third oscillator, more effects (does anybody not have enough effects...?) and thats it: of course pretty much the same overall sound. I «ve compared: Pad sounds are a little bit more beautyful on the Virus b, the rest quite similar...ÊSo decide - I don«t think that the Virus B is worth the expensive upgrade... Last butÊ not least Chr. Kemper seems to intend another OS upgrade with new hfeatures also for the first Virus. So just be patient and make music with your instrument...ÊHave a nice day,Ê Bernhard, Berlin ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Reyes To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 4:10 AM Subject: Upgrading to Virus B I forgot to mention this in a reply to an earlier post. Another major reason for upgrading to the B is the new "KICK ASS" panel design. It really makes the grade. The extra Part buttons and Edit Menus are VERY useful, as well as the new LFO setup. The new screen and paint looks nice too :-) I just remembered as I spent some time with my Baby! (uh the B that is!) Rick Notron sounds great ... but kinda expensive ... anyone know of a good software step sequencer that even comes close ??? Justin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cc: Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:00 AM Subject: Re: Notron Info (was New Track - Amnesia) >Thanks for the feedback zs. > >I sent the Notron info below privately to Oli but since others appear to also be interested I'll forward it to the whole group. In summary the Notron is a GREAT companion to the Virus. > >For more info check out www.notron.com > >------------------- > >I am very happy with my Notron - I used it to create most of the synth >loops in "Amnesia". I've found it to be a great creative tool. It is >a bit on the pricey side, though. > >It essentially offers 4 "tracks", each up to 16 steps long. You really won't be able to sequence full songs on it, just lines or loops >(though there is a chain feature that allows you to chain several lines together). > >It has tons of buttons, knobs, and lights and is an exquisite looking instrument. And not many are out there - I think I have serial number >54! > >It has many features but some of the unique ones that I use alot: > >"Super Steps" - unique profiles of controller, pitch bend, or aftertouch values that can be applied to any step of the sequence. > >"Overdrive" - can trigger any step multiple times (turn a 16th note into a 32nd or 64th). > >"Beat Creep" - make subtle or not-so-subtle changes to the beat by selecting different beat creep patterns. > >"Echo" - will retrigger notes at differnent selectable intervals > >There is no LCD to speak of so it does take awhile to learn how to use >some of the features but I've found that most everything is straightforward and I was able to come up to speed pretty quick. Overall I've found it very easy to input different sequences and then tweak them using Notron's many features. Very little is hidden under an interface so it is quick and easy to make changes. Almost all features can be edited/changed while the sequencer is running for that >immediate feedback. I think that the designer's philosophy was to create an instrument that allows and encourages that "accident" that turns a so-so beat into something that really kicks. This has happened a lot for me. > >Hope that helps, > >Dennis > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Re: New Track - Amnesia (nearly all Virus) Author: Non-HP-zs (zs@yahoo-inc.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 10:51 AM > > >hey dennis > >that really sounds great > >you've got some killer details in there (the panning reverb, etc...) > >how many tracks were sequenced by your notron? do you find that it helps with t he process of creation > >again, your song is ripping! > >zs > > >On 00-04-18 08:50, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > I have a new >track out at: >> >>www.mp3.com/subgenius >> >>called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for >the >>intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be >amazed at > the variety of sounds that this instrument can >produce (with the help > of the amazing sound designers we have >in this crowd!). >> >>Cheers all, >> >>Dennis >> > You can get a free one here: http://www.multimania.com/scdevelop/indexa.htm justin. ----- Original Message ----- From: Gabe To: digitalhell ; Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 9:18 AM Subject: VST Drum Sampler? >Does anyone know of any other Cubase VST drum samplers besides LM-4? > >Thanks! > >Gabe > S & C Develop Virtual Drum Sampler VST 2 Instrument v1.1 is a great Drumsampler. http://www.multimania.com/scdevelop/ At 12:18 2000-04-18 -0400, you wrote: >Does anyone know of any other Cubase VST drum samplers besides LM-4? > >Thanks! > >Gabe > torsten edwinson . creative developer p r o j e c t o r p n m a b . karlavŠgen 58 . 114 49 stockholm phone +46 8 562 15 446 fax +46 8 562 15 401 cellular +46 70 237 237 3 torsten@projector.se . http://www.projector.seRobert: Go to the bottom of this page http://www.geocities.com/norsez/virus.html There is an mp3 of me changing a part with sysex. The sequence is not just sustaining notes. See if you hear any bad time. (Listen to the unchanged bass drum sound as the timing anchor.) There is also a MIDI file that I used to create this mp3 in case you wanna try it yourself. norsez Robert shrieb: Still doesn't solve my problem since, as Thomas pointed out, the MIDI stream coming into the synth will be monopolized by any sysex and thus timing (on any synth, on any channel) will be compromised. I don't want to have to schedule my program changes around my sequence timing, and 260 bytes is still a lot larger than 2 or 3 for a channel message. I'd still like to see a "Part Change" message that would send bank and program changes to multi parts by part rather than by channel. Otherwise I can see this becoming a problem when playing live. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com>And you cant compare second hand prices with new gear prices . just my 2 c In this case you have to - because you will hardly find the Virus B as used.... bernhard not??? Im selling mine...) For 2100 swiss franks its yours . I want the Indigo . Oli BeSchue schrieb: >And you cant compare second hand prices with new gear prices . just my 2 cÊIn this case you have to - because you will hardly find the Virus B as used....Êbernhard Anyone know a good place to get them, that wont take 10 years to actually deliver the unit? also, for anyone interested I am selling my Virus A. Anyone interested? I would like to get $850 for it if possible. (its less than one year old). Let me know. I will be posting this as a classified at the end of the week, if no one on the list is interested. Tonyawwwww yeah thanks be the sound was actually this little bell device ... but it's amazing what can be done with a pair of stereo mics... zs ps ... calling all URLs mail the list if you have stuff available for listening online I'm enjoying what I've heard so far (of norsez and subgenius) On 00-04-18 19:24, be love wrote: >really awesome zack .... > >i looooove the jingly noises . ... like gunshells falling on the floor!!!! > >be > > Sorry, I only subscribed - didnÇt get the URL - can you please repost it if there was one? thanks , Bernhard ----- Original Message ----- From: Zack Steinkamp To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: new song awwwww yeah thanks be > sure my latest is available from http://geocities.yahoo.com/edsarkiss_kawh/ click the link to get the MP3 (it's 5.5MB) -zs On 00-04-19 19:42, BeSchue wrote: >Sorry, I only subscribed - didn«t get the URL - can you please repost it if there was one? > >thanks , Bernhard >----- Original Message ----- >From: Zack Steinkamp >To: access-list@teklab.com >Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2000 7:37 PM Subject: Re: new song > > >awwwww yeah >thanks be Oops, sorry Tony, you're getting this one twice. Anyone know a good place to get them, that wont take 10 years to actually deliver the unit? If you're in North America www.novamusik.com are good people and pretty responsive (they specialize in synths like the Virus, Nova, Waldorf stuff). They ship stuff right back out as soon as it comes in, but you can reserve one and they get new Virii in every week. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for. Danke, Christoph. You can do Patch change addressed by the part number. From the Virus Parameter Definition: C 31 m,bpc Part Bank Select 0..3 Bank A..D C 32 m,bpc Part Bank Change 0..3 Bank A..D C 33 m,bpc Part Program Change 0..127 Part Programchange example: F0,00,20,33,01,10,72,pp,21,vv,F7 pp = Partnumber vv = Programnumber ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I personally think, without a doubt, the upgrade is worth every penny. The OS 3.0 features are fantastic, and 4.0 looks even sweeter. If you love your virus like I do, you will not go without a virus b. Hell the Phaser and 24 bit signal path are worth the extra scratch. Lets not forget about the distortion effect, input modulation source, extra 8 voices, third osc, etc. etc. Now I gotta figure out how to afford a Virus Indigo. I would love to have a 3 octave keyboard attached to my most beloved synth... Rick >Whoa - that silver momma is only 2 months away! > >And the price seems reasonable. > >To those of you who upgraded from the Virus A to the Virus B - do you think it was worth it? Do you get a much better variety of sounds? I've heard about many of the new features but in the final analysis what do y'all think about the upgrade? > > >-Dennis > > >______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >Subject: Fwd: Access Indigo US Prices >Author: Non-HP-mpulver (mpulver@midiwall.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 11:45 AM > > > >Forwarded from another list: > >>From: "matrix" Subject: OT: Access Indigo US Prices >>Date: Tue, 18 Apr 2000 11:31:27 -0700 >> >>>From Novamusik http://www.novamusik.com/: >> >> >>Access Virus Indigo.......$1649 >>Access Virus rack..........$749 >> >>Our first shipment will be here in June. er... That's exactly what I said. norsez Robert shrieb: >>Perfect, that's exactly what I was looking for. Danke, Christoph. >You can do Patch change addressed by the part number. > >From the Virus Parameter Definition: > >C 31 m,bpc Part Bank Select 0..3 Bank A..D >C 32 m,bpc Part Bank Change 0..3 Bank A..D >C 33 m,bpc Part Program Change 0..127 > >Part Programchange example: >F0,00,20,33,01,10,72,pp,21,vv,F7 > >pp = Partnumber >vv = Programnumber ______________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send online invitations with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.comI want the one you have, mine doesnt make any sound : ) weld Justin Grimley wrote: >Notron sounds great ... but kinda expensive ... anyone know of a good software step sequencer that even comes close ??? Justin. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: >Cc: >Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2000 11:00 AM >Subject: Re: Notron Info (was New Track - Amnesia) > >>Thanks for the feedback zs. >> >>I sent the Notron info below privately to Oli but since others appear to also be interested I'll forward it to the whole group. In summary the Notron is a GREAT companion to the Virus. >> >>For more info check out www.notron.com >> >>------------------- >> >>I am very happy with my Notron - I used it to create most of the >synth >>loops in "Amnesia". I've found it to be a great creative tool. It >is >>a bit on the pricey side, though. >> >>It essentially offers 4 "tracks", each up to 16 steps long. You really won't be able to sequence full songs on it, just lines or >loops >>(though there is a chain feature that allows you to chain several lines together). >> >>It has tons of buttons, knobs, and lights and is an exquisite looking instrument. And not many are out there - I think I have serial >number >>54! >> >>It has many features but some of the unique ones that I use alot: >> >>"Super Steps" - unique profiles of controller, pitch bend, or aftertouch values that can be applied to any step of the sequence. >> >>"Overdrive" - can trigger any step multiple times (turn a 16th note into a 32nd or 64th). >> >>"Beat Creep" - make subtle or not-so-subtle changes to the beat by selecting different beat creep patterns. >> >>"Echo" - will retrigger notes at differnent selectable intervals >> >>There is no LCD to speak of so it does take awhile to learn how to >use >>some of the features but I've found that most everything is straightforward and I was able to come up to speed pretty quick. Overall I've found it very easy to input different sequences and then tweak them using Notron's many features. Very little is hidden under an interface so it is quick and easy to make changes. Almost all features can be edited/changed while the sequencer is running for >that >>immediate feedback. I think that the designer's philosophy was to create an instrument that allows and encourages that "accident" that turns a so-so beat into something that really kicks. This has happened a lot for me. >> >>Hope that helps, >> >>Dennis >> >> >>______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ >>Subject: Re: New Track - Amnesia (nearly all Virus) Author: Non-HP-zs (zs@yahoo-inc.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 4/18/00 10:51 AM >> >> >>hey dennis >> >>that really sounds great >> >>you've got some killer details in there (the panning reverb, etc...) >> >>how many tracks were sequenced by your notron? do you find that it helps with t he process of creation >> >>again, your song is ripping! >> >>zs >> >> >>On 00-04-18 08:50, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: > I have a new >>track out at: >>> >>>www.mp3.com/subgenius >>> >>>called "Amnesia". Everything you hear is Virus (A) except for >>the >>>intro pad (JP8K) and the percussion/FX. I never cease to be >>amazed at > the variety of sounds that this instrument can >>produce (with the help > of the amazing sound designers we have >>in this crowd!). >>> >>>Cheers all, >>> >>>Dennis >>> >>