dan the burke, What instrument did you use to achieve the bassline in AKcess Violation? Or what patch on the virus? JWell, I guess it had to happen. I have a gig coming up in three weeks and during our first practice, my Virus did something VERY strange it "hung". OK, actually, whatever patch I dialled up, whatever knob I turned, it clung on to a particular patch it had in memory and would only let me play with that (unmodified). I really HOPE that doesn't happen in my forthcoming gig... ;-( Anyone else ever had this? It's a first for me (was resolved by power off/on). Weird. Paul -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.softroom.co.uk --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Well, its with a deep sadness that I sit here typing this message this morning. As of tonight, 05/01/00 at 11:59am, TekLab will no longer be accessible by the Internet. It's been a very difficult decision for me to make, one that I've had to weigh heavily these past few weeks, but I simply can't hide from the facts - TekLab must go offline and stop the free support lists its been giving to the user community over the years. The hard fact remains - it costs me a great deal each month to keep the connectivity required to support the load of users that are participating in these lists, and in spite of my best efforts I have been unable to get any hardware manufacturers to contribute to these costs. As a result, I am now bankrupt and must face the fact that I have to discontinue my network account, and retire the overworked machine that's been running hard for the last 3 years, keeping the lists running. I wish you all the best of luck, and will happily participate in any alternative forums that spring up as a result of this activity. Maybe we can get Korg or someone to set up a machine on their high-capacity network, and run the lists off there, in lieu of actually starting a letter writing campaign or something. If any of you are in LA, feel free to call me at (323) 666 6440, maybe we can stay in touch by phone. Thank you all for your participation, your stimulating conversation, your insightful flames, and your valuable lurking skills. If anyone wants to send me a postcard, please do so - make sure to include your postal address so that I can write a letter back to you. My email probably won't work any more after this message. Seeya guys. Its been sweet. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html At 2:47 AM -0800 4/1/00, Jay Vaughan wrote: Well, its with a deep sadness that I sit here typing this message this morning. As of tonight, 05/01/00 at 11:59am, TekLab will no longer be accessible by the Internet. It's been a very difficult decision for me to make, one that I've had to weigh heavily these past few weeks, but I simply can't hide from the facts - TekLab must go offline and stop the free support lists its been giving to the user community over the years. The hard fact remains - it costs me a great deal each month to keep the connectivity required to support the load of users that are participating in these lists, and in spite of my best efforts I have been unable to get any hardware manufacturers to contribute to these costs. As a result, I am now bankrupt and must face the fact that I have to discontinue my network account, and retire the overworked machine that's been running hard for the last 3 years, keeping the lists running. I wish you all the best of luck, and will happily participate in any alternative forums that spring up as a result of this activity. Maybe we can get Korg or someone to set up a machine on their high-capacity network, and run the lists off there, in lieu of actually starting a letter writing campaign or something. If any of you are in LA, feel free to call me at (323) 666 6440, maybe we can stay in touch by phone. Thank you all for your participation, your stimulating conversation, your insightful flames, and your valuable lurking skills. If anyone wants to send me a postcard, please do so - make sure to include your postal address so that I can write a letter back to you. My email probably won't work any more after this message. Seeya guys. Its been sweet. Duh. Because you got taken in by a few bad April fools on Slashdot, now you try to confuse the (l)users on TekLab?!? You are the fool. You'll get so much stupid mail that you'll regret this for weeks. -s!mon LOL very funny, Jay. :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comDan The Burke wrote: >channels for my Virus B. As it is now, I have to split the 16 channels between the Korg and the Virus. Also, I would like to route the Virus B back to Cakewalk somehow so I can record knob movement. Will a PC MIDI You need a MIDI interface with several separately addressable ins and outs. JšrgHi Christoph, >*the* transpose is patch transpose. Of course we have a Keyboard transpose that works on midi as well. What I meant is: it would be great if *the* transpose buttons could be assigned to the midi transpose instead of the patch transpose, since it would then be much more useful when people use the Viurus KB as master keyboard. If it's possible, and if you have the time, it'd be great if this wish could become reality. It's rather unhandy right now. Greetings, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysI have been stuck for the past year staring at pictures and stats of the virus b while pretending to love my virus a. It has actually caused me much pain and suffering as i could only afford an a at the time. However now times have changed. I alomst have enough for the b. Oh yes, times have changed! I just have to sell my virus a. I only need $350 and i will have enough for the b so i am selling the virus a for just that $350. I know it is kind of cheap but since all you are virus users and two are much better than one, i decided that this is the right thing to do. I will pay for shipping also and i don't care which method you pay with. I am just so excited that i am finally going to get the good virus that i really don't care that much about how much i sell the a for. In fact i guess i could do it for $300 if you want. That would give me just enough. So if you really want a cheap virus, email me and i will have it out to you the next day, 2nd day air and if you are in europe i will hand deliver it to you in late april. email me. Oh yeah...Wasn't that tek lab april fool's email just amazing. I wish i could pull off something like that. Actually, i guess i could sell my virus b for $200 if you really wanted it. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeispSomeone told me that the Virus has about 80% similarity to the effects of the Sherman Filterbank. If I were to connect something through the Virus and use it for effects processing, how does that effect polyphony in regards to using the Virus' other midi channels and instruments? For example, I have midi channels 1-4 and I'm using them for instruments [this is a Virus a], now I want to start processing a synth thru the Virus Inputs, so does that use up polyphony/resource that then gets taken away from the other 1-4 channels? Thanks, Markhi, That is BS. Virus could never touch the Sherman for processing. If you want to hear a track I did with just a Jomox Xbase 09 and Sherman Filterbank email me and I'll show you some extreme processing. Thanks, Shawn shawnclear@aol.comHeh heh... My face hurts. Grin ache. j. At 08:35 AM 04/01/2000 -0800, you wrote: LOL very funny, Jay. :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Duh. Because you got taken in by a few bad April fools on Slashdot, now you try to confuse the (l)users on TekLab?!? You are the fool. You'll get so much stupid mail that you'll regret this for weeks. -s!mon Heh heh. My face hurts. Grin ache. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Heh. For those of you that haven't figured it out yet, yes my "TekLab is going offline" message was an April Fools Joke! But I guess I'm the fool now, coz I'm getting bombarded! :) (Same as it ever is...) Thanks everyone for your words of support, anyway. Definitely appreciate the kind emails I've received, and I apologize for the fact that TekLab *IS* staying around, that the lists *are* going to keep running, and that your kind words, though well received, were not necessary... :) In fact, we'll be moving the lists to a brand new server shortly, with *BETTER* web-forum/mailing list integration, a much better list processor, and some other often-requested features too. So stay tuned for that message - it'll probably be the next 'mass teklab mailing list' message I make in a week or so... (and no, this isn't an April Fools joke either). Thanks everyone, again, for being good sports about this - my face is definitely aching! :) j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Russ: I was right there with you, man...my poor JD-990 was without a power cord until I picked up one from radio shack. With a bit of effort I got that Roland cord to fit...hearing the virus in action made the labor worth it. Regards, Griffin >From: Russ Magee >Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:59:48 -0700 >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Virus KB (and power cords) > > >Ha! I had the same experience -- I got my Virus KB on Christmas Eve (how appropriate.) and I'm all ready to start playing when I notice there's no power cord! And it's a wierd European two-prong jack, not a North American 3-pin (which would have been no problem). My roommates all heard my cries of anguish 8-). But I hunted around and, wouldn't you know, the power cord from my electric shaver was the same kind of plug. All I had to do was take an x-acto knife and cut some triangular notches on top & bottom of the plug and I was set. I still must go buy another shaver cord -- right now, you can tell if I've been workong on music a lot during the week by my unshaven appearance 8-). Please let me hear the track! ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 10:47 AM Subject: Re: Using Virus for FX >hi, > >That is BS. Virus could never touch the Sherman for processing. If you want >to hear a track I did with just a Jomox Xbase 09 and Sherman Filterbank email >me and I'll show you some extreme processing. > >Thanks, > >Shawn >shawnclear@aol.comI have a question regarding the power chords. Is this still a problem? or do all the virus KB now come properly equiped?. I really dont want to have to make myself a power chord for it. still..i can kind of see why Access would do that on purpose... "the keyboard is $1650...oh the power chord...well, thats $18,000.00..." :) Just my thoughts Tony -----Original Message----- From: Griffin Vance [mailto:2griffin@pdq.net] Sent: Saturday, April 01, 2000 3:13 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Virus KB (and power cords) Russ: I was right there with you, man...my poor JD-990 was without a power cord until I picked up one from radio shack. With a bit of effort I got that Roland cord to fit...hearing the virus in action made the labor worth it. Regards, Griffin >From: Russ Magee >Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2000 11:59:48 -0700 >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Virus KB (and power cords) > > >Ha! I had the same experience -- I got my Virus KB on Christmas Eve (how appropriate.) and I'm all ready to start playing when I notice there's no power cord! And it's a wierd European two-prong jack, not a North American 3-pin (which would have been no problem). My roommates all heard my cries of anguish 8-). But I hunted around and, wouldn't you know, the power cord from my electric shaver was the same kind of plug. All I had to do was take an x-acto knife and cut some triangular notches on top & bottom of the plug and I was set. I still must go buy another shaver cord -- right now, you can tell if I've been workong on music a lot during the week by my unshaven appearance 8-). Hit me :) >hi, > >That is BS. Virus could never touch the Sherman for processing. If you want to hear a track I did with just a Jomox Xbase 09 and Sherman Filterbank email me and I'll show you some extreme processing. > >Thanks, > >Shawn >shawnclear@aol.comHello all, Please excuse the basic nature of this question, but I really need help. I am using the virus with logic platinum. While the virus responds to knob tweaks without a problem, I cannot seem to successfully RECORD the tweaks so the movements are automated upon playback. I used to be able to record all my tweaks and they were recorded without a problem, with all my tweaks intact upon playback.Ê I fear that while scrolling through menus, I accidentally disabled some parameter that allows one to record the knob tweaks.ÊÊ My gut tells me that the source of the problem resides in the virus as opposed to logic as I have been messing around with the menus much more than logic. My apologies if you people have heard this one before, but I would certainly be in your debt if you can offer some solutions. Thanks Hi Rick, >Why not step write the osc the knob values into your sequencer. You might be able to get a S/H LFO type effect with specific pitches. >While it may be cumbersome to write ( not in PTLE :-) ), it should sound cool... So how does PT LE specifically help you step write those values? As compared with, say, Logic? Cheers, ThomasHi Luxx, Sorry, it seems like I have a buyer for the Virus. I'll email you if something goes wrong with the first one though. MathiasI got a similar problem with my MOTU midi express: when I change the track in cubase suddenly the complete setup hangs up and when I exit cubase all instruments play at once. also I got to load the midi express setup-program before starting cubase. otherwise ALL instruments play at midi-channel one when hitting the keyboard. even MOTU couldn't help me further. anyone got an idea? greets, marco Arthur Kim schrieb: >Hey all, > >I have the original Virus rack and it's been having some problems. When making changes in multimode, sometimes I experience what seems to be a MIDI traffic jam. I'm play some notes and change a setting on the Virus. The notes stop playing even while striking the keys on the controller... a few seconds later, all the missing notes suddenly play at once. That's probably a terrible explanation, but has anybody experienced something similar to this before? I'm using a 8-port MOTU MidiExpress XT and usually punch the keys through with a Korg Z1. > >Thanks!!! >-Art -- Plastic Age music productions Marco Scherer Kreuzweide 14 67551 Worms phon: 06241 - 35263 mail..: ms@plastic.4mg.com home: http://members.tripod.de/plasticI've had a Virus A for a long time, and know the drill about setting the MIDI clock to "auto" and how the Virus will auto-detect incoming MIDI clock. My Virus is seeing MIDI clock, as indicated by that little "c" next to the MIDI channel number in the top right of the display. Only deal is that the arpeggiator is ignoring the external MIDI clock... I can wind the tempo knob of my Kurzweil ExpressionMate from one end of the tempo spectrum to the other, all my other gear reading it's clock changes appropriately, but the Virus' arpeggiator just keeps ignoring the external clock and playing based on what ever tempo is set by it's own internal settings. So, it seems that the Virus is seeing MIDI clock, it's acknowledging this by putting up the "c" display, but the arpeggiator could care less... Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! BobI have finally posted an MP3 of some of my music: Track Name: First Reprise Description: First Reprise is neo-acidic melodic Trance. Sweeping acid lines, analog drums and plenty of moving sound. Instruments Used: Access Virus Jomox Xbase09 Akai S3200XL Production: Alesis M1 Monitors Spirit Folio Mixer You can find it at http://www.mp3.com/ouroboros/ Thanks, Lukas __________________________________________ Lukas Svoboda/Ouroboros Techno/Trance Live Act and Producer http://www.mp3.com/ouroboros/ http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/ouroboros/ NZ Electronic Music http://www.lucidworks.co.nz/ Email lukas@lucidworks.co.nz __________________________________________ "Do not go where the path may lead, go instead where there is no path and leave a trail." - Ralph Waldo Emerson (1803-1882)Are you serious man! Quite a generous gesture if so. I'm sure that the virus will move in no time! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Frye To: Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2000 7:44 PM Subject: Ext Clock >I've had a Virus A for a long time, and know the drill about setting the MIDI clock to "auto" and how the Virus will auto-detect incoming MIDI clock. >My Virus is seeing MIDI clock, as indicated by that little "c" next to the >MIDI channel number in the top right of the display. > >Only deal is that the arpeggiator is ignoring the external MIDI clock... I can wind the tempo knob of my Kurzweil ExpressionMate from one end of the tempo spectrum to the other, all my other gear reading it's clock changes appropriately, but the Virus' arpeggiator just keeps ignoring the external clock and playing based on what ever tempo is set by it's own internal settings. > >So, it seems that the Virus is seeing MIDI clock, it's acknowledging this by >putting up the "c" display, but the arpeggiator could care less... > >Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! > >Bob Hi Weld! I'm very interessted in this dealer. Could you please give me the contact info... Thanx Miker >-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >Von: bigw [SMTP:bigw@onbuffalo.com] >Gesendet am: Freitag, 31. MŠrz 2000 02:41 An: Access List >Betreff: Killer virus kbd price > >My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers >WeldSorry for not email privately... I'm not used to, that repleys going back to the list... greetz Mike >Hi Weld! >I'm very interessted in this dealer. >Could you please give me the contact info... > >Thanx >Miker > >>-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >>Von: bigw [SMTP:bigw@onbuffalo.com] >>Gesendet am: Freitag, 31. MŠrz 2000 02:41 An: Access List >>Betreff: Killer virus kbd price >> >>My friend has found a dealer in the U.S. with virus kbds for $1475 email me privately if youd like the info Cheers >>WeldI'm about to purchase a Pentium three 550 mghz system with a a 20 gig hard drive, CD ROM and burner. I will run cakewalk and would like to record some high quality tracks on it. Can I do it with this system? Is it worth the investment, rather than paying studio time? Also, are there any other sytem requirements I should think about or understand. I basically want a system that I can record well on, 8 - 12 tracks of audio seriously. Any advice and or help will be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance, DanielDaniel: Check with the manufacturer of the audio software/hardware that you plan to equip your new PC with and make sure they know of no issues related to your configuration that could cause problems. Users of similar systems and some software vendors may be good sources of information as well. You also may want to explore the possibility of using a Mac instead. This may not be feasible for you now, but time and time again, I encounter former PC pro-audio users who have switched to Macs because of stability issues. Whatever PC you go with, make sure you keep all unnecessary and extraneous software to a minimum. That is, anything that you don't need loaded with the system should not be. Otherwise, your audio performance will be greatly choked by all of the factory bells and whistles. Best Regards, GriffinHi Daniel, >I'm about to purchase a Pentium three 550 mghz system with a a 20 gig hard drive, CD ROM and burner. I will run cakewalk and would like to record some high quality tracks on it. Can I do it with this system? This is the wrong list for your question. Such systems can & do work perfectly, but many people get burnt with non-compatible hardware or drivers. Do yourself a favour, find a discussion area for such systems, lurk for a few weeks, and search its archives. You need to have a clue yourself, before you ask questions. Note that you didn't even spec any audio HW. Were you planning to sing directly onto the hard disk drive? Cheers, ThomasThe music-bar is the *right* list for this question. Details on how to subscribe: http://www.teklab.com/Internet.html j. Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: Subject: Re: question on software multitrack recording Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:37:21 +1200 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 Hi Daniel, >I'm about to purchase a Pentium three 550 mghz system with a a 20 gig hard drive, CD ROM and burner. I will run cakewalk and would like to record some high quality tracks on it. Can I do it with this system? This is the wrong list for your question. Such systems can & do work perfectly, but many people get burnt with non-compatible hardware or drivers. Do yourself a favour, find a discussion area for such systems, lurk for a few weeks, and search its archives. You need to have a clue yourself, before you ask questions. Note that you didn't even spec any audio HW. Were you planning to sing directly onto the hard disk drive? Cheers, Thomas j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >The music-bar is the *right* list for this question. No, a dedicated DAW list would be the right list for this question. I'll let Daniel search for one himself, if he can't do that he's got little hope with sophisticated system integration. ThomasAt 05:49 PM 04/04/2000 +1200, you wrote: >The music-bar is the *right* list for this question. No, a dedicated DAW list would be the right list for this question. Yeah, the daw-list would be appropriate, but as it turns out we've been having a lot of DAW-related questions on the music-bar lately, and in fact a lot of Daniels questions have been answered on there too... so if you don't feel like putting up with the snobbery and didactism of the daw-list (which I have been lurking on for years), you can always feel free to ask questions like this on the music-bar, casually. That's what the music-bar list is for - off-topic stuff from other TekLab lists should be directed to the music-bar, as a lot of the musicians who represent the value of the topic-related lists here at TekLab are *also* on the music-bar, where off-topicness is encouraged. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Jeffrey, DonÕt be afraid to ask what you may consider simple questions.Ê I just bought my Virus a few weeks ago and donÕt have a clue about certain things.Ê Everyone else on this board was a Newbie at one time or another Please excuse the basic nature of this question, but I really need help. I am using the virus with logic platinum. While the virus responds to knob tweaks without a problem, I cannot seem to successfully RECORD the tweaks so the movements are automated upon playback. I used to be able to record all my tweaks and they were recorded without a problem, with all my tweaks intact upon playback.Ê I fear that while scrolling through menus, I accidentally disabled some parameter that allows one to record the knob tweaks.ÊÊ My gut tells me that the source of the problem resides in the virus as opposed to logic as I have been messing around with the menus much more than logic. I wouldnÕt blame the Virus quite yet.Ê I had the same problem last night running Cakewalk for Win95.Ê When I ran another simpler sequencer program (always helps to have a few for troubleshooting) all the knob movements were recorded.Ê I couldnÕt find any menu item to disable MIDI out from the Virus.Ê This is my second problem with Cakewalk Ð first, I couldnÕt load the new OS with it, had to use another seqeuncer. Bill I kind of want a Moog synth, just because it would make me an official synth geek.Ê There is one on ebay for (gulp!) $2500 ! Is this text Maroon? So sorry about that last message Ð meant to reply to a friend, not to the Access list.Ê I guess I am a geek. Your text is PURE BLACK! at least in pine.... ebay synth prices SUCK HARD, however Robert Moog is supposedly reissuing the moog design. Check out his site at www.bigbriar.com btw unless the moog is sealed in lucite, anything more than about 1200 is kinda of a rip off ******************************** Herr Professor Peter Lewis Swimm k/RAD LABS-|||http://kradlabs.home.texas.net ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 7: Problem: Can I use Cubase with Windows 2000? -Answer: At the moment Windows does not run with Windows 2000 http://www.ricbrown.clara.net/MainF.html ***************************************************** On Tue, 4 Apr 2000, Bill Slobotski wrote: >I kind of want a Moog synth, just because it would make me an official synth geek. There is one on ebay for (gulp!) $2500 ! > >Is this text Maroon? Get used to it. Brit's pay out the ass for everything electronic. It seems like it's usually the same number as the U, but with the lovely quid sign behind it. respect, adrian * -----Original Message----- * From: Ez [mailto:soundcreation@btinternet.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:35 AM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Access Virus in the UK * * * Hello, I'm new on the list, I haven't even got a Virus yet! I'm in the * UK and it seems US users pay a lot less for the Virus B than * us here in * the UK...$1,411.90 is the lowest price offered (£880). Does anyone in * the UK know where I can get a better price than that. Turnkey and * Digital Village are the only place I know that sells them. I'm looking * to get one in the next couple of days so if you know the * answer to this * one please help me. * * PS. Digital Village say their virus B is Mk 2, for all the * research I've * done I've never heard of a Mk 2, Turnkey say that Digital Village only * have 'grey' imports, and Digital Village say Turnkey are thick as pig * shit. Excellent choice hey? * T * hanks, * Ez *Oh, youcan find it cheaper at www.novamusik.com it's up to you however to deal with power supplies and import tariffs. \ * -----Original Message----- * From: Ez [mailto:soundcreation@btinternet.com] * Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 11:35 AM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Access Virus in the UK * * * Hello, I'm new on the list, I haven't even got a Virus yet! I'm in the * UK and it seems US users pay a lot less for the Virus B than * us here in * the UK...$1,411.90 is the lowest price offered (£880). Does anyone in * the UK know where I can get a better price than that. Turnkey and * Digital Village are the only place I know that sells them. I'm looking * to get one in the next couple of days so if you know the * answer to this * one please help me. * * PS. Digital Village say their virus B is Mk 2, for all the * research I've * done I've never heard of a Mk 2, Turnkey say that Digital Village only * have 'grey' imports, and Digital Village say Turnkey are thick as pig * shit. Excellent choice hey? * T * hanks, * Ez *zzounds.com 8thstreet.com chek itHello, I'm new on the list, I haven't even got a Virus yet! I'm in the UK and it seems US users pay a lot less for the Virus B than us here in the UK...$1,411.90 is the lowest price offered (£880). Does anyone in the UK know where I can get a better price than that. Turnkey and Digital Village are the only place I know that sells them. I'm looking to get one in the next couple of days so if you know the answer to this one please help me. PS. Digital Village say their virus B is Mk 2, for all the research I've done I've never heard of a Mk 2, Turnkey say that Digital Village only have 'grey' imports, and Digital Village say Turnkey are thick as pig shit. Excellent choice hey? T hanks, EzWow, thank you Thomas for allowing me to search for a list myself. You're probably a great manager and have a real great work ethic. By the way, I didn't need a snotty comment from a jackass like you, but in fact was lookng for some direction from someone who was more experienced than myself at PC recording. Would you have been satisfied if I had been banned from the list for such an outrageous question, did you really think this was the worst forum to ask for advice. The purpose of this forum is to create a global community of electronic musicians that can help each other. If you want to be a pompos prick and put people down, tell them you won't help and that they should figure it out themselves, then remove yourself from this community. It was one thing for you to reply and tell me I was aking the wrong question and that I should figure it out on my own. But, it was another thing for you to reply to someone else who took the time to help me out. Who the fuck do you think you are? Just a little advice from someone who tries to be kind some of the time. If you act like this in your life, when you're not bitching at some innocent kid behind your computer screen, look around because probably, no one really likes you. Sincerely, DanielHi, I tried shopping around for a better price before I bought my Virus, but I'm afraid that Turnkey are the official distributors in the U.K. I actually work at a music shop, and even tried to get Turnkey to supply one at trade price to the shop, but they were having none of it! I did end up buying it from them however, because it made sense to get it straight from the distributors. I have to say that for a while I wasn't sure if I had made the right choice, because I could have got a Nova, or a Nord Lead 2 rack through my shop for about £225 less than the Virus, but I love this machine so much now that I wouldn't mind if I'd paid even more for it! By the way, the 'mark 2' that Digital Village are talking about is the version b. This makes me wonder if they actually have a clue what they are talking about. -Bensorry ... testing a new mail programHi people, Jay, >Yeah, the daw-list would be appropriate, but as it turns out we've been having a lot of DAW-related questions on the music-bar lately, and in fact a lot of Daniels questions have been answered on there too... There's lots of answers out there, but even on the best lists only 1/3 of people *really* know what they're talking about. >if you don't feel like putting up with the snobbery and didactism of the daw-list They don't tolerate idiots? They squash un-informed comment so as to maintain a high level of information and accuracy? Sounds like an *excellent* place to find things out. Better to search their archives though, since someone probably asked the same question yesterday... Cheers, Thomas>Hi people, Jay, > >>Yeah, the daw-list would be appropriate, but as it turns out we've been having a lot of DAW-related questions on the music-bar lately, and in fact a lot of Daniels questions have been answered on there too... > >There's lots of answers out there, but even on the best lists only 1/3 of people *really* know what they're talking about. > >>if you don't feel like putting up with the snobbery and didactism of the daw-list > >They don't tolerate idiots? They squash un-informed comment so as to maintain a high level of information and accuracy? > >Sounds like an *excellent* place to find things out. Better to search their >archives though, since someone probably asked the same question yesterday... > > >Cheers, >Thomas How bout this one...what is the best way to get an ultra clean recording using this equipment: Mackie SR24-4, Midian Delta 1010, SB LIVE Value, Virus B, etc. Any tricks? Seems my recordings are not as clean as others i hear..any tips??? Right now I am using the Delta 1010 for recording and the SBLIVE to play soundfonts...I always seem to get some distortion either from vocals or low bass stuff. Also: Is there a device which will let me sing and adjust pitch real time? is there a vocal FX device someone can recommend that will 'warm up' my vocals? I tend to be a tenor, but would like to warm up my voice real time, if possible. Any ideas? I've got the racks space and I hear ZZOUNDS.com is a good internet retailer, but I would love some recommendations. If you want to hear my stuff, to see what I mean, go to www.mp3.com/NukleoN This is not just advertising, I am truly looking for a way to get better recordings\vocal sound. I labored like nuts on my latest song because of these things. ;) Thanks! Dan The BurkeDaniel, >Wow, thank you Thomas for allowing me to search for a list myself. You're welcome. Since I know Logic & Cubase lists/ areas, and you want to run CakeWalk, I think *you* searching would be quite appropriate. Or, did you want me to find out all about CakeWalk because you couldn't be bothered doing anything yourself? >By the way, I didn't need a snotty comment from a jackass like you, but in fact was lookng for some direction from someone who was more experienced than myself at PC recording. I am, and I gave you some direction. But if you'd prefer advice from a community that's mainly experienced with hardware sequencers... I'm sure your system will just happen to work *perfectly* right out of the box. >did you really think this was the worst forum to ask for advice. No, but it ain't the best either. Deal with it, it's called reality. >The purpose of this forum is to create a global community of electronic musicians that can help each other. ... with the Access Virus synthesizer. Nice words Daniel, but do you understand that DAW information lives on other lists? >If you want to be a pompos prick and put people down, tell them you won't help and that they should figure it out themselves, I gave you some pointers where to look, and what you'd need to think about eg audio hardware. You have to think for yourself, you can't expect everyone else to think for you. >But, it was another thing for you to reply to someone else who took the time to help me out. Pointing out reasons why real DAW lists might have the best info? Actually, the only reason I directed you to the best information source was to offend and annoy you. >Who the fuck do you think you are? My name's at the top of the e-mail. >Just a little advice from someone who tries to be kind some of the time. If you act like this in your life, when you're not bitching at some innocent kid behind your computer screen, look around because probably, no one really likes you. I have plenty of friends, who respect me enough *not* to dribble in my ear. Very kind of you to give me advice, but I'm not the one freaking out here. >Sincerely, Yeah *whatever*. Cheers, ThomasHi Bill, Thanks for your kind advice as you are the only one who has responded to my plight. The strange thing is that I was able to record the knob tweaks with Logic no problem up to a couple of weeks or so ago, but now it doesn't respond. I wonder if I inadvertantly changed something in logic to preventÊ the recording. let me ask you another silly question. I only have 1 midi cord going to the INÊto the virus. There is NOT a MIDI cord plugged to the virus's MIDI out however. A friend of mine helped me to do the initial setup, and my workspace has become a tangle of cords. I did notice that one of my midi cables (which was actually marked as being assigned to my AKAI S5000) was unplugged when I was trouble shooting. I tried plugging this into the virus hoping that he had simply reassigned the MIDI cord to the virus MIDI out without relabling it, so I tried to plug it in to the OUT of the Virus. All I got was an error message on logic and a grating sound. Should I only need to have 1 midi cord plugged into the VIrus MIDI IN to record the tweak changes, or do both the OUT and the IN need to be plugged. Please remember that logic has been recording my virus note data from my keyboard controller without a problem, it just won't record the tweaks. Thanks for any help that you can offer, Bill. Good luck with your trouble shooting, isn't it a drag when you just want to be making music? Best, Jeff ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Slobotski To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 8:32 AM Subject: RE: Recording Knob tweaks Jeffrey, DonÕt be afraid to ask what you may consider simple questions.Ê I just bought my Virus a few weeks ago and donÕt have a clue about certain things.Ê Everyone else on this board was a Newbie at one time or another Please excuse the basic nature of this question, but I really need help. I am using the virus with logic platinum. While the virus responds to knob tweaks without a problem, I cannot seem to successfully RECORD the tweaks so the movements are automated upon playback. I used to be able to record all my tweaks and they were recorded without a problem, with all my tweaks intact upon playback.Ê I fear that while scrolling through menus, I accidentally disabled some parameter that allows one to record the knob tweaks.ÊÊ My gut tells me that the source of the problem resides in the virus as opposed to logic as I have been messing around with the menus much more than logic. I wouldnÕt blame the Virus quite yet.Ê I had the same problem last night running Cakewalk for Win95.Ê When I ran another simpler sequencer program (always helps to have a few for troubleshooting) all the knob movements were recorded.Ê I couldnÕt find any menu item to disable MIDI out from the Virus.Ê This is my second problem with Cakewalk Ð first, I couldnÕt load the new OS with it, had to use another seqeuncer. Bill >Hi people, Jay, > >>Yeah, the daw-list would be appropriate, but as it turns out we've been having a lot of DAW-related questions on the music-bar lately, and in fact a lot of Daniels questions have been answered on there too... > >There's lots of answers out there, but even on the best lists only 1/3 of people *really* know what they're talking about. > >>if you don't feel like putting up with the snobbery and didactism of the daw-list > >They don't tolerate idiots? They squash un-informed comment so as to maintain a high level of information and accuracy? > >Sounds like an *excellent* place to find things out. Better to search their >archives though, since someone probably asked the same question yesterday... > > >Cheers, >Thomas Greetings fellers, Personally, I HIGHLY value not only people who know the Virus B, but digital audio\MIDI in general. Sure, we can all talk about sysex dumps from the Virus all day long, and how cool it is, but isn't it cool to talk about other technical aspects of making music too? After all, what is the Virus connected to? I have lots of questions personally, and I would would be willing to help anyone who has a question within my expertise. Do we really need to be on 5 different lists to get questions answered? Personally, this list generates enough mail as it is, and often enough the content is just bickering. Why? Why not simply REFRAIN from answering a question you DON'T feel like answering? I have had several cool people on this list hellp me with DAW issues or what not, and I am most grateful for that. I have also had questions ignored, and that is ok, if nobody is willing or able to answer the question. Sure, there is obvious info out there, like, Cakewalk info would be had on a Cakewalk website. But there are times when you don't KNOW where to look because you lack THAT knowledge...like, does a device exist for adjusting vocal pitch on the fly? I could search it out, but we all know how long that takes. Also, some people actually LIKE helping others. ;) I apologize if I have annoyed some with my Virus irrelevant questions, but the only I stay on this list is for the general info. If I want information solely on the Virus, I could go to the WEBSITE!! ;) Sincerely, Dan The Burke www.mp3.com/NukleoN www.burkestudios.comThis is not a Apple/PC arguement or charge on my part but here is some data for you.... (oh and I'm not a "pro musician" either... far from it in fact.) I've faught alot with my PC for a while to make it do what I want, and when one thing works that only reveals there is something else not working that I didnt' know. So I evaluated if this is a hobby that I wanted to take serious or not and decided it was worth it to try a Mac (never owned one before.) I have to say that in the 6 weeks I've had it, it's not crashed ONE time ! I don't even know how to ctrl/alt/delete to bring up the task manager to recover or reset from one if it did happen haha. But it's been extremely easy to set up and use, and not had any problems other than the USB is not supported fully under OMS. It works but it doesn't let you have the patch name dump in cubase, you have to enter bank/patch numbers to select instruments. Not a huge set back, it's not stopping me at least, and I know the next revs will be fixed. Again, this is purely reporting my observations with it. Purely data, without the emotion. if I add emotion you'd see me jumping for joy that I'm actually making stuff and not fighting with stuff. And I hate doing music on my PC now!!! tho I still use sound forge and sound diver until I find something good for the Mac... but I'm really just happy I can lay tracks and get both my insturments talking (on the PC it wouldn't work) and my timing is perfect to my ear, where as on the PC it would drift faster and slower when tracks started and stopped, and also just drifted anyway. Oh and my PC is a 333 PII custom built with best parts at the time. I do have some game software and web/email stuff on it. As was stated earlier this probably affects it tremendously. It really did cost me an arm and a leg to get the Mac. And all it does is something my PC did.... at least that is what my biggest concerns were before I bought it. Now I'm very glad I did. It's not a waste of money at all. It was worth it simply because I spend hours and hours doing stuff and in the end have alot more to show for my time spent than if I worked on my PC. Somedays on the PC I didn't get anything accomplished. I won't throw out my PC, I genuinely feel I need both machines for the things I enjoy in my life. But for music i prefer the mac. games and web definately the PC. I litterally had my studio set up within 2 hours of opening the box to the mac. And that included 1 hour of trying to figure out what my ISP/modem settings need to be and getting net access to download the mac drivers for my USB box. I installed software, updated driver, and laid test tracks in cubase in under 2 hours. I don't feel frustrated doing music like I used too. it was worth it to me. I recommend it to anyone having difficulty with their PCs. There are some that have no problems (half the musicians I know use PCs without any problems.... I'm in the other half of the catagory unfortunately) so for the guys without problems... stick with your PC. Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Griffin Vance <2griffin@pdq.net> To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 12:40 PM Subject: Re: question on software multitrack recording >Daniel: > >Check with the manufacturer of the audio software/hardware that you plan to equip your new PC with and make sure they know of no issues related to your configuration that could cause problems. Users of similar systems and some software vendors may be good sources of information as well. > >You also may want to explore the possibility of using a Mac instead. This may not be feasible for you now, but time and time again, I encounter former >PC pro-audio users who have switched to Macs because of stability issues. > >Whatever PC you go with, make sure you keep all unnecessary and extraneous software to a minimum. That is, anything that you don't need loaded with the system should not be. Otherwise, your audio performance will be greatly >choked by all of the factory bells and whistles. > >Best Regards, Griffin > > > oops sorry everyone. I posted my response to this thread before I read that. Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Jay Vaughan To: music-bar@teklab.com Cc: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, April 03, 2000 10:13 PM Subject: Fwd: Re: question on software multitrack recording >The music-bar is the *right* list for this question. > >Details on how to subscribe: http://www.teklab.com/Internet.html > >j. > >>Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com >>Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com From: "Thomas Whitmore" To: >>Subject: Re: question on software multitrack recording Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2000 15:37:21 +1200 >>X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 >> >>Hi Daniel, >> >>>I'm about to purchase a Pentium three 550 mghz system with a a 20 gig hard drive, CD ROM and burner. I will run cakewalk and would like to record some high quality tracks on it. Can I do it with this system? >> >>This is the wrong list for your question. >> >>Such systems can & do work perfectly, but many people get burnt with non-compatible hardware or drivers. >> >>Do yourself a favour, find a discussion area for such systems, lurk for a few weeks, and search its archives. >> >>You need to have a clue yourself, before you ask questions. Note that you didn't even spec any audio HW. Were you planning to sing directly onto the hard disk drive? >> >> >>Cheers, >>Thomas > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html > Hi Dan, >How bout this one...what is the best way to get an ultra clean recording using this equipment: Mackie SR24-4, Midian Delta 1010, SB LIVE Value, Virus B, etc. Questions like this are covered in rec.audio.pro newsgroup... check it out with your local news server or at www.remarq.com - search the archives for general info on signal levels and vocal recording. >Right now I am using the Delta 1010 for recording and the SBLIVE to play soundfonts...I always seem to get some distortion either from vocals or low bass stuff. Distortion rather than background hiss/ noise? Distortion mostly comes from input levels being too high at some stage, and overloading. You'll need to check level (-10 vs +4) settings on mixer inputs and the Delta, check your mixer input trim/ gain controls, basically trace the signal from source along the chain making sure you've got signal quality & good headroom at every step. Uncompressed acoustic sources (snare drum!) may have peaks 18 dB or more above RMS. Compressed or mixed material may have 14 dB peaks. Each stage needs headroom for these transient peaks. >Also: Is there a device which will let me sing and adjust pitch real time? is there a vocal FX device someone can recommend that will 'warm up' my vocals? Harmony processor or an AutoTune... ? Warmer vocals are probably best achieved by choice of microphone, pre-amp, mic and vocal technique. Try out some different mics at a dealer or studio... Large diaphragm condensors are normally regarded as best for vox. Cheers, ThomasHi Jeffrey, >I only have 1 midi cord going to the IN to the virus. There is NOT a MIDI cord plugged to the virus's MIDI out however. Knob movements are sent from the OUT of the virus. If there's no connection to your computer, you won't be able to record them. >A friend of mine helped me to do the initial setup, and my workspace has become a tangle of cords. You'll either need your friend to fix it, or get familiar with it yourself. >Should I only need to have 1 midi cord plugged into the VIrus MIDI IN to record the tweak changes, or do both the OUT and the IN need to be plugged. You want notes to go OUT of sequencer IN to Virus. You want knobs to go OUT of Virus IN to sequencer. And, you want notes to go OUT of master keyboard IN to sequencer. >Please remember that logic has been recording my virus note data from my keyboard controller without a problem, it just won't record the tweaks. Note that your master keyboard is separate from the Virus. The master keybd is connected IN to the sequencer but your Virus is not. >I fear that while scrolling through menus, I accidentally disabled some parameter that allows one to record the knob tweaks. There's a parameter to control MIDI knob transmission on the Virus, which needs to be set for it to send the knobs. I use Int+MIDI myself. >When I ran another simpler sequencer program (always helps to have a few for troubleshooting) all the knob movements were recorded. Does this work without a connection from Virus OUT??? Tip : Logic's transport displays MIDI input & output. This is a useful troubleshooting tool. Cheers, ThomasNorsez Orankijanan wrote: >Wow! 3b to 4? That's a big jump. Will I see some kind of programmable arp/step sequencer or motion control? (That's a rhetorical question.) *speculate speculate* > Maybe Christoph would be kind enough to enlighten us? -tWow! 3b to 4? That's a big jump. Will I see some kind of programmable arp/step sequencer or motion control? (That's a rhetorical question.) *speculate speculate* norsez --- "K.9 Kai Niggemann" wrote: >In the new issue of German Keys magazine, Access announces two new products: > >- a Virus rack, apparently a one unit 19" machine, possibly in >aluminum silver (it#s only a teaser ad where a silver/grey rack ear >sticks out of a large piece of metal) > > >- OS 4.0, apparently for the Virus kb (and b), since that's what's >underneath the announcement, in a blurry, secretive, unfocused way. > >Both things will be shows at the Musikmesse, starting in a week from >tomorrow, april 12th in Frankfurt/Main, Germany. > >Isn't that exciting...! ;-) > >think different! > >Canine > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >canine@waf80.de >good night europe. >but, how to pronounce dot eu? >http://www.waf80.de/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 9:13 AM -0700 on 05.04.2000 Norsez Orankijanan wrote: Wow! 3b to 4? That's a big jump. Will I see some kind of programmable arp/step sequencer or motion control? (That's a rhetorical question.) *speculate speculate* norsez Whatever it will be, I am sure that whole-number increase will mean some real changes... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi everybody, Somebody from Germany interested in buying a Virus A? Or exchanging a Virus B for a Virus A under reasonable conditions? CU Musac You definately must have the Midi IN and Out of the Virus connected so the sequencer can record your moves.Right, you two are breaking the only rule I enforce on the lists here at TekLab, which is: *NO FLAMING EACH OTHER DIRECTLY ON MY LISTS* Do it privately. Any more of this as of this date, and I will ban you from the lists for good. j. At 03:42 PM 04/05/2000 +1200, you wrote: Daniel, >Wow, thank you Thomas for allowing me to search for a list myself. You're welcome. Since I know Logic & Cubase lists/ areas, and you want to run CakeWalk, I think *you* searching would be quite appropriate. Or, did you want me to find out all about CakeWalk because you couldn't be bothered doing anything yourself? >By the way, I didn't need a snotty comment from a jackass like you, but in fact was lookng for some direction from someone who was more experienced than myself at PC recording. I am, and I gave you some direction. But if you'd prefer advice from a community that's mainly experienced with hardware sequencers... I'm sure your system will just happen to work *perfectly* right out of the box. >did you really think this was the worst forum to ask for advice. No, but it ain't the best either. Deal with it, it's called reality. >The purpose of this forum is to create a global community of electronic musicians that can help each other. ... with the Access Virus synthesizer. Nice words Daniel, but do you understand that DAW information lives on other lists? >If you want to be a pompos prick and put people down, tell them you won't help and that they should figure it out themselves, I gave you some pointers where to look, and what you'd need to think about eg audio hardware. You have to think for yourself, you can't expect everyone else to think for you. >But, it was another thing for you to reply to someone else who took the time to help me out. Pointing out reasons why real DAW lists might have the best info? Actually, the only reason I directed you to the best information source was to offend and annoy you. >Who the fuck do you think you are? My name's at the top of the e-mail. >Just a little advice from someone who tries to be kind some of the time. If you act like this in your life, when you're not bitching at some innocent kid behind your computer screen, look around because probably, no one really likes you. I have plenty of friends, who respect me enough *not* to dribble in my ear. Very kind of you to give me advice, but I'm not the one freaking out here. >Sincerely, Yeah *whatever*. Cheers, Thomas j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Anyone using the Virus with MOTU Digital Performer and FreeMidi? Just wondewring what a good librarian software would be. If anyone uses Unisyn, I'd love some ideas of how to store some of these sounds. thanks in advance, JohnAt 06:38 PM 04/05/2000 -0400, you wrote: Random patch generator? some sort of modular synthesis ? new waveforms? Weld Sequencer? What I want to know is what's in the silver box... a filter bank, maybe? j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Random patch generator? some sort of modular synthesis ? new waveforms? Welda totally true analogue virus update the ever popluar helicopter transform switch! ~droidwell man if you re realy new to logic you should and i think HAVE to >figure out how to make an environment. it s the first step to understand logic! and well you ll love it! kanouOne that teaches music theory and talks to me. Wait a second mate, mine already does that! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freelane.excite.com/freeispHi! Is there anyone that owns a Zoom RFX-2000? If so, how do you like it? What other out board FX do you own? Thx!No offense meant to any members on this list, but since apparently there are a few topic police on this list it might be a good idea for those who have non-access related questions to post them on the Music Bar list at Teklab. At least they will be welcome THERE :) There you are allowed to chat about anything under the sun and for the most part the members are very OPEN and HELPFUL to others and newbies with questions. There also are probably a lot more members on the Music Bar than the access-list, so you are more likely to get a good cross-section of responses. It is one more list to subscribe to but: 1) questions and posts of all types under the sun, moon, and stars are allowed there (not necessarily music related even); and 2) unlike specific lists like the DAW related ones you wont necessarily have to subscribe to another 5, 10, or 15 just to get answers to a FEW SIMPLE questions along with the tons of unneccessary mail, or put up with know-it-all's that assume everybody's done there research, read mountains of books, etc., on the subject, and have worked with the craft to perfection. And before anybody replies, yes, most of us do some level of research before asking a question. It sometimes helps to have a second opinion/source of info from somebody whose been through before what you are going through now. So those interested, please take a jaunt over to the music-bar and sign up. All posts welcome (other than spam and flames that is). --wasted/su700fan --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Ok... I'm going to post this question again... I'd sure appreciate some help on this... I'm sending MIDI clock to the Virus A and to a Yamaha drum machine from a Kurzweil ExpressionMate. The Virus is set to Auto-read Ext MIDI clock. The display shows a little "c" up next to the MIDI channel number on the LCD, so I know it's seeing MIDI clock. But when I adjust the MIDI clock tempo on the ExpressionMate, the Virus Arpeggiator DOES NOT follow the change in tempo/ext clock... (The drum machine does change tempo with any changes in MIDI clock it sees from the Kurzweil. I'm at a loss on this, especially since in the past I've had no problem having the Virus arpeggiator follow external MIDI clock... but not this time! Should I try a system reset? Am I overlooking something really obvious? Please fellow Virus owners, how about a little help here? Thanks in Advance! Bob1. Extended ARP functions. 2. Filtermap (After FX) 3. ARP display when active. And these were only the ones users asked for. Can't wait for the others ;) BUT then I have only seen good stuff coming out of the ACCESS SW dev team's hands! cyber7 (aka Aubrey) PS - Remember the live gig on Friday 7th at Getafix Long Street Cape Town. - cyber7 & monophobe - 10pm onwards PS2 - Pity Erich's not going to be there! ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaHas anyone used the Virus inputs with a mic for vocoding?Hi Does anyone here own this DSP box? How is it? What other DSP boxes do you own? thx! Okay then, what the best reverb I can buy for less than $500. U.S.Does anyone have a Logic Environment for the OS 3.0? if so could you please e-mail it to me or tell me where I could get it, I am new to logic and would like to get started in production on a new track instead of trying to figure out how to make an environment.Hi Anaya, [About some Behringer DSP1000P reverb :] >Okay then, what the best reverb I can buy for less than $500. U.S. Lexicon MPX 100 is about US$ 249. Lexicon MPX 1 is a dual model but costs more. Behringer has an international reputation for poor sound and low quality. Cheers, ThomasThomas, Thanks for the recording info! Dan The Burke www.Burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/NukleoN>Has anyone used the Virus inputs with a mic for vocoding? only thru the mic preamps on my mixer... -zs>Random patch generator? Yes please. Please please please please please please...... Joe. PS. Can we have a 'slight variation' patch generator too?Yeah, 'random' is just too random for my taste. A 'Slight Variation' would make more sense. Or indicating the amount of randomness/variation by percentages. Joe Frost wrote: >>Random patch generator? >Yes please. >Please please please please please please...... > >Joe. > >PS. Can we have a 'slight variation' patch generator too?At 6:28 PM +1200 on 06.04.2000 Thomas Whitmore wrote: Hi Anaya, [About some Behringer DSP1000P reverb :] >Okay then, what the best reverb I can buy for less than $500. U.S. Lexicon MPX 100 is about US$ 249. Lexicon MPX 1 is a dual model but costs more. Behringer has an international reputation for poor sound and low quality. Hm I would disagree. I own a mixer by Behringer, which was very cheap, has a lousy EQ but is pretty noiseless considering the price I paid. The mechanics of that thing are aweful too. But then I have the Modulizer which I think is an excellent piece of gear. Behringer have an internation reputation for compromising their mechanics in favor of good sound quality -- always considering the price. Some things just aren't possible on a low budget. But then again these boxes are much better than things that cost 10 times as much 10 years ago... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Rad website... I'll check out the MP3s later today. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "K.9 Kai Niggemann" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: OT, shameless plug: Please vote for us for Online Music Awards >Dear friends and Virus users, > >please allow me this shameless plug for my project "The Care Company". > > >As we have been nominated for the "Online Music Awards" (awarded by MTV and Yahoo Germany) for the category "Best band, unsigned", I would like to invite you to visit the site http://www.carecompany.de and see what you think. > >Then please proceed directly to http://www.onlinemusicawards.de click on "voting" and vote for us...!>Random patch generator? >some sort of modular synthesis ? >new waveforms? >Weld > > >How about 'morphing' one sound into another like the new Oberheim VA can? -Ben.Hi, Any of you guys own a Kurzweil K2000 as well as the Virus? If you do, and are interested in swapping sounds, tips etc., then mail me direct at info@cranesmusic.com -Ben heres my 4.0 guesses: -motorized "flying faders" -128 polyphony -stereo sampling -bassline creator, with hiphop, acid, trance, industrial, and "other" variations -more filter models -talent ...it cant get any betterhi, i use the virus with Dig. performer and FreeMIDI. i don't use an extra librarian program though i just do it all with FreeMIDI and it works great. of course everytime you have new sounds you have to re-enter them but after a little adjustment you get used to it. Special KYes I actually just bought one... Mainly for use on my Waldorf Pulse or Guitar noises.. I recently owned some top quality Sony units and eventide gear but in this price range and for making cool noisy effects the Zoom stuff cant be beat..plus it syncs to midi and has digital out!! ----- Original Message ----- From: anaya To: Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: OT: Zoom RFX-2000 >Hi! > >Is there anyone that owns a Zoom RFX-2000? > >If so, how do you like it? > >What other out board FX do you own? > >Thx! > I'm using a Virus B and DP but have not yet found a libraian for it, but I do have a freemidi patch list I can send you. By the way have you been able to record Virus knob twirl info in DP? This is something I have not been able to do without the Virus freaking out. I've tried various setups and have not found one that works yet. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks Larry BrownI've been away for a while, so I don't know if this has been brought up on the list. Could an input compressor be worked into the next release? I've started messing arround with using and abusing the input and I've run into situations where a compressor would be very, very handy. (Guitars, drums, vocals, you name it.) Bonus points if it could act as either a stereo or a dual mono.Or you could just buy a compressor. They're dirt cheap, and a dedicated compressor is always going to be better than an added-on feature. If you're working with live instruments and vocals you should be using a compressor anyway. From: Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Feature request. Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:06:03 -0500 (CDT) I've been away for a while, so I don't know if this has been brought up on the list. Could an input compressor be worked into the next release? I've started messing arround with using and abusing the input and I've run into situations where a compressor would be very, very handy. (Guitars, drums, vocals, you name it.) Bonus points if it could act as either a stereo or a dual mono. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I think on board Compressor is a nice thing to add too. It shouldn't consume the processing power a whole lot if it's global like the delay FX. Rebirth's mono assignable bus compressor greatly widen its flexibility and sonic capabilities. Imagine if a monstor like the Virus has one too. norsez --- Robert Tygers wrote: >Or you could just buy a compressor. They're dirt cheap, and a dedicated >compressor is always going to be better than an added-on feature. If you're >working with live instruments and vocals you should be using a compressor >anyway. > > > > >>From: >>Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Feature request. >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 12:06:03 -0500 (CDT) >> >>I've been away for a while, so I don't know if this >has been brought up on >>the list. >> >>Could an input compressor be worked into the next >release? I've started >>messing arround with using and abusing the input >and I've run into >>situations where a compressor would be very, very >handy. (Guitars, drums, >>vocals, you name it.) Bonus points if it could act >as either a stereo or a >>dual mono. >> >> > > ______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at >http://www.hotmail.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi, I had a Zoom 2000 fx unit and I returned it because I was unhappy with the quality of the fx. There is no doubt that for the bucks these little boxes do cram in an awful lot of different fx, but to my ears the sound quality was grainy and impure. I guess you should try and see if you can hear one for yourself and make up your own mind. But I opted to save the money and wait until I can afford a better quality unit. Warwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "M" To: Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: Re: Zoom RFX-2000 >Yes I actually just bought one... >Mainly for use on my Waldorf Pulse or Guitar noises.. I recently owned some top quality Sony units and eventide gear but in this price range and for making cool noisy effects the Zoom stuff cant be beat..plus it syncs to midi and has digital out!! > >----- Original Message ----- >From: anaya >To: >Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:21 PM Subject: OT: Zoom RFX-2000 > > >>Hi! >> >>Is there anyone that owns a Zoom RFX-2000? >> >>If so, how do you like it? >> >>What other out board FX do you own? >> >>Thx! >> >> About the random patch generator: (I'm assuming it will be implemented) My suggestion would be to randomize everything *except* the AMP-ENV. Back in my XT days, I used to wonder how many amazing random-patches I missed because the AMP envelope was all screwed up with modifiers and I couldn't get it back open again. That's all- -- Member of Ho-Chunk nation.Things I wouldn't mind seeing in v4: More free modulation routings More control over the waveforms (adjustable imperfections, soft sync, whatever) More powerful envelopes (more stages, exponential stages with variable curves a la Contour on sawtooth LFOs, etc. etc.) A third envelope Delays/fade-ins on LFOs 1 and 2 Envelope mode on LFO 3 (or did I just miss this?) Faster LFOs or filter FM (DSP hogs, so probably would have to be in exchange for polyphony) The ability to trade chorus/flange/phaser channel fx for a channel delay (I'm guessing there's not enough memory for more delay lines though) More filter types More waveshaping options in the shaper stage (selectable waveform) Amplitude modulation A helicopter Asia Argento All of these are frosting as far as I'm concerned, with the possible exception of some more modulation routings and Ms. Argento. v3.0 is damn close to perfection. Things I'd rather do without: Step sequencer Reverb Sampling I can make my own patch randomizer so I'm not too concerned about that. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com VIRUS USERS: Let the users of the Waldorf Q speak for us. ** NOTICE THE SECOND TO LAST PARAGRAPH! ** <----snip [from Waldorf's mailing list]----> This is for everyone concerned about the sound of the Q! I think the easiest way to determine the possibilities of a synth is to listen to the music made from it. I have downloaded almost every mp3 of the Q I could find on the internet and I have not found anything remotely musical. To me, this means that there is something wrong with the sound inside the Q! If this discussion on the mailing list is growing this too is indication that musicians are getting concerned about the lack of something in this instrument. I have tried a million times to program my Q for that phat analog tone! But I still find it doesn't have the kind of sound that is easy to work with or can been just thrown into a mix! I agree that the Q is lacking analog warmth. IF you choose to argue against me, I urge you to sit down with a Virus, Nord and a Q in front you. Shift through the presets and objectively choose which one sounds better from a musical context. I know personally the presets of the Q will not win out! The sound of the Q in my opinion is not practical for musicians. Just try playing a bass line or making a pad sound. The Q's digital hollow tone can be detected immediately! For Gear heads and Engineers however, the Q is a dream come true! But that is only because the word "music" means nothing to them! I urge all of you to be objective about the sounds of the Q. Don't get blown away by the razzmatazz glamour. Lets really help Waldorf and get this synth off the ground! I've invested enough money into this instrument! One suggestion---> Make the Q like the Virus and the Nord but better! *Forget about advanced FM synthesis!!!!!!!!!* BTW-- For all of you wondering the styles of music I write: Top 40, Pop, Dance, Hip Hop, Funk, Industrial, Electro and Sound Scapes. Regards, Ray Stewart <----snip----> I'm on the mailing list because I own a Microwave XT, but the list is for all Waldorf products. More users who own the Q are complaining than rejoicing over their $2600 they invested in their Q Synth or $1600 in their Q Rack.Mark Holloway (02:41 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: >VIRUS USERS: Let the users of the Waldorf Q speak for us. [snip] (as Pulver decloaks...) I do trust that you'll be forwarding the good comments as well as the bad? I mean, leaving this hanging out here serves what purpose? >I'm on the mailing list because I own a Microwave XT, but the list is for all Waldorf products. More users who own the Q are complaining than rejoicing over their $2600 they invested in their Q Synth or $1600 in their Q Rack. Ummm... I don't think so. The URL in my sig is about over a year's worth of messages to the Waldorf list. Stacking the Virus to the Q is not a valid comparison. Both machines are capable of things that the other is not - sound or mechanics. There is plenty of room for BOTH machines in a studio. I'm sure that any competent patch designer on either machine can spend less than 5 minutes in coming up with something that the other can't do. I'm not looking to start a pissing match here. Heck, I just ordered a Virus B myself. But I think you're doing a bit of evidence tampering in order to be heard. Mark __________________________________________________________________ Try the Waldorf Archives! http://www.midiwall.com/archives/waldorf While I have nothing to do with the Q, I don't see how presets or demo music can judge a synth as a musical instrument. Plus I doubt if anybody can pick out the Q from a lot of bass sounds in a blind test. I kind of wonder why people are bitching so much about the Q. Is that it's too expensive? Just kidding. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI have downloaded almost every mp3 of the Q I could find on the internet and I have not found anything remotely musical. Erm. I've heard those mp3's too and they're certainly musical. I chose the Virus B over the Q Rack, and I would have done so even if they had been the same price, but that doesn't make the Q a bad choice. It's still a very nice synth. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I have both a virus A and a Q - both have maturing OS's - both are good for different things ... my only complaint is that I wish I had a virus B so I can the goodies in the 4.0 os :) back to making music, - djpNorsez Orankijanan (03:16 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: >While I have nothing to do with the Q, I don't see how presets or demo music can judge a synth as a musical instrument. Plus I doubt if anybody can pick out the Q from a lot of bass sounds in a blind test. I agree.. My response to the original poster touches on this. Maybe that will get posted here as well. You can't judge a machine on anything except *your* ears in a monitor and *your* hands on the knobs. MP3's and factory loads don't cut it. >I kind of >wonder why people are bitching so much about the Q. Is that it's too expensive? Just kidding. It *is* expensive, no doubt. :) (I'm waiting on two specific people here to say something... HI GUYS! :) Mark this is never going to end. im sure its going to be the discussion for the ages "...hmmmm. should i buy a nord modular, a virus, or a Q?" ive personally talked 3 people through this decision. so lets just reiterate in all caps: 1.) DRIVE YOUR FAT ASS TO THE STORE WITH ALL 3 synths. 2.) A/B/C THEM AS BLINDLY AS YOU CAN. DONT SAY "OH THE Q SOUNDS BETTER BECAUSE ITS KEYBOARD IS BETTER" OR ANYTHING STUPID LIKE THAT. THINK ABOUT IT. 3.) GO BACK THE NEXT DAY. DO THE SAME THING. BE AS UNBIASED AS YOU CAN. 4.) LISTEN CLOSELY IMAGINING YOUR MUSIC DONE ON THE MACHINE, DONT JUDGE IT BY ITS PRESETS, DONT JUDGE IT BY ITS INTERNAL DEMO, DONT JUDGE IT BY ITS KEYBOARD---JUDGE IT BY ITS SOUND. ive told all my friends the same thing. if you want a digital synth and you like the waldorf sound, go for the Q. if you like to play with sounds and want to spend time in modular synthesis with a minor amount of time making music, get the nord. if you want straight up analog emulation, go for the virus. for the record, i have the nord mod and the virus b, and i use both on every track i do. the nord seems better for shriller sounds, the virus a bit more analog. to my knowledge, when the great MP gets the virus, he might be the first among us to have all 3... i wonder if guitar people have the same discussion on strat vs. les paul. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Pulver [mailto:mpulver@midiwall.com] Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 3:33 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: O/T: Please Read (from Waldorf List) Norsez Orankijanan (03:16 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: >While I have nothing to do with the Q, I don't see how presets or demo music can judge a synth as a musical instrument. Plus I doubt if anybody can pick out the Q from a lot of bass sounds in a blind test. I agree.. My response to the original poster touches on this. Maybe that will get posted here as well. You can't judge a machine on anything except *your* ears in a monitor and *your* hands on the knobs. MP3's and factory loads don't cut it. >I kind of >wonder why people are bitching so much about the Q. Is that it's too expensive? Just kidding. It *is* expensive, no doubt. :) (I'm waiting on two specific people here to say something... HI GUYS! :) Markbigw (07:03 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: >...his presence on the access list will be enjoyable and educational to all. Oh yikes! ummm. thanks dude... :) But ya' know, a little bird tells me that Christoph needs someone else to get tired of. I think I'm up for being a pain in the neck! Mark Hopefully everyone can just pick what they like the best and make beautiful music. I admit I had a Q and no longer do, this was based on several reasons, one being my machine had locked up totally and this just left a bad taste in my mouth. I certainly love my Virus b, but the Q offers some very unique features and sounds in my opinion and now is a very stable machine, just not my taste, it all comes down "to each his own" in the end, why bicker. Weld P.s Mark P. Welcome to the club. As many of you know Mark is a prodominent member of many lists and im sure his presence on the access list will be enjoyable and educational to all. Mark Pulver wrote: >(I'm waiting on two specific people here to say something... HI GUYS! :) > >Markbigw (07:16 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: >Yah, but with 4.0 coming mark >we have everything we wanted now : ) :)! And to think, I was gonna be happy with 3.0! Mark Yah, but with 4.0 coming mark we have everything we wanted now : ) Weld Mark Pulver wrote: >bigw (07:03 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: > >>...his presence on the access list will be enjoyable and educational to all. > >Oh yikes! > >ummm. thanks dude... :) > >But ya' know, a little bird tells me that Christoph needs someone else to get tired of. I think I'm up for being a pain in the neck! > >Mark> >I can make my own patch randomizer so I'm not too concerned about that. hmm... i wouldnt mind seeing that patch randomizer posted somewhere... and it seems that many here ARE concerned about the randomizer (hint, hint, wink wink) ;) cThanks everyone, I now have an access Virus B - it's just at the depot waiting to be picked up (missed the courier by an hour...damn). Tomorrow I'll pick it up, and I am looking forward to getting to grips with what I am expecting to be a beast of a machine... Thanks again, EzSorry for the OT, but can someone tell me where I can find the Sounddiver list? Thanks and sorry again! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com In a message dated 4/6/00 5:46:43 PM, setter@ncube.com writes: >i wonder if guitar people have the same discussion on strat vs. les paul. > No, it is MUCH MUCH worse, trust me.....like 58 Les Paul vs 59 Les Paul, etc., etc. And don't even begin to touch the subjects of amps, pickups, pedals, cords, etc..... -MarshallExcellent point! This is what I want to hear! That the Q has some DIFFERENT to offer then our older synth brothers/sisters have for a hundred times over. Shane Etter wrote: > > >ive told all my friends the same thing. if you want a digital synth and you like the waldorf sound, go for the Q. if you like to play with sounds and want to spend time in modular synthesis with a minor amount of time making music, get the nord. if you want straight up analog emulation, go for the virus.Even though that guy was knocking the Q, it now makes me want to buy one cuz it must have some interesting "nonmusical" tones for him to hate it so much.....and if anything is nonmusical, it's top 40 music..... Go buy a korg buddy! Yanni uses them! Gel-Sol --- Mark Pulver wrote: > >Mark Holloway (02:41 PM 04.06.2000) wrote: > >>VIRUS USERS: Let the users of the Waldorf Q speak >for us. > >[snip] > >(as Pulver decloaks...) > >I do trust that you'll be forwarding the good comments as well as the bad? >I mean, leaving this hanging out here serves what purpose? > > >>I'm on the mailing list because I own a Microwave >XT, but the list is for >>all Waldorf products. More users who own the Q >are complaining than >>rejoicing over their $2600 they invested in their >Q Synth or $1600 in their >>Q Rack. > >Ummm... I don't think so. > >The URL in my sig is about over a year's worth of messages to the Waldorf list. > > >Stacking the Virus to the Q is not a valid comparison. Both machines are >capable of things that the other is not - sound or mechanics. There is >plenty of room for BOTH machines in a studio. I'm sure that any competent >patch designer on either machine can spend less than 5 minutes in coming up >with something that the other can't do. > > >I'm not looking to start a pissing match here. Heck, I just ordered a Virus >B myself. But I think you're doing a bit of evidence tampering in order to >be heard. > > >Mark > __________________________________________________________________ >Try the Waldorf Archives! >http://www.midiwall.com/archives/waldorf > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comIt's on Onelist at http://www.onelist.com/group/sounddiver-users Dave At 09:47 AM 4/7/00 +0900, you wrote: Sorry for the OT, but can someone tell me where I can find the Sounddiver list? From: "chris mendoza" Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: Subject: Re: Release 4. Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:17:48 -0400 > >I can make my own patch randomizer so I'm not too concerned about that. hmm... i wouldnt mind seeing that patch randomizer posted somewhere... and it seems that many here ARE concerned about the randomizer (hint, hint, wink wink) ;) I know that I could die a happy man if they implement the "randomizer"!!! Brooks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Oh, I understand people wanting one, I just don't need it that badly myself. If v4.0 doesn't do it I may knock an executable together in Max and put it up (time permitting of course). It'd be Mac only, though. hmm... i wouldnt mind seeing that patch randomizer posted somewhere... and it seems that many here ARE concerned about the randomizer (hint, hint, wink wink) ;) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com just initiate a SysEx receive, and hook the MIDI IN of the Virus up to your video card, hard drive controller, or friend's 58 Les Paul. You may get some random sounds that way. - but seriously - I've been using SoundDiver with my Virus for a while now, and as appealing as a patch randomizer sounds, it's really useless. There are 200+ parameters in my Virus A that can change ... at least 1/2 of the possible controller/value combination make no sound at all ... Of the other half, maybe 1 in 100 is actually playable. So instead of playing the numbers game, I suggest anyone interested in a randomizer spend a long weekend with your Virus and anything else that helps your creativity/motivation in the studio and learn how easy it is to make really *cool* sounds INTENTIONALLY. Note that I held back from making any references to getting off your lazy butt (of course, not addressing anyone in particular). ;-) zs On 00-04-06 20:24, brooks rongstad wrote: >>From: "chris mendoza" Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: >>Subject: Re: Release 4. >>Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2000 19:17:48 -0400 >> >>> >>>I can make my own patch randomizer so I'm not too concerned about that. >> >>hmm... i wouldnt mind seeing that patch randomizer posted somewhere... >> >>and it seems that many here ARE concerned about the randomizer (hint, hint, wink wink) ;) > >I know that I could die a happy man if they implement the "randomizer"!!! > >Brooks > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Hey guys, This seems to come up in every wish list threads. One would wish for something and some people would come up and say, we don't want that. It's worse when someone tries to explain why another doesn't want what he wants based solely on his own way of working. That implies, "there is only one way to get things done", which is very non-constructive and non-creative when you think about it. (Although I can understand if a wish is not really a wish and the wisher is happy if somebody can help him with some ways to work around his problem. That's very very constructive.) But what is really the worst is when someone even tries to say that Access shouldn't include something he doesn't want into the Virus at all. That's obviously the show of "Hey! Everybody, do it the way I want! I rule the world!" attitude. If you don't want to use something, just leave it alone. I am sure everybody has some parameters on the Virus that one hardly touches. Having more functions that you don't use doesn't make the Virus any less than what it is. One day you might even be creative enough to use them very creatively. Anyway, what I say is not addressing to anyone in particular and I mean no offense to anybody whatsoever. It's just my opinion that counter wish is not only non constructive, but also making this list unpleasant sometimes. It's already bad enough to have to hear other people's wish, right? Let's not have to hear what people counter-wish anymore, please, folks? ;-P norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHello people! I know u don't like newbies with all our simple questions that u probably knew when ur parents where just planing to go out, but... i ordered a Virus B and it's my first machine ever to use to make something (let's say i'll try to make it sound like a music :), and for now i only want to ask all u professionals what kind of midi controller is the best right now that i should get for it? thank you very much for your time, Vardan. P.S. for the guy who wrote about >newbies should go to some larger lists and ask their simple stuff there< i also don't have lots of time to read all the posts around the world and i'm sure i don't need 100 responds for such a simple question and i'm trying to stay focused on virus-related info in future. thanks again, V. ------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com! trance, electronica, news and downloads at http://www.futuretrance.comsounddiver-users@onelist.com to post sounddiver-users-subscribe@onelist.com to subscribe >Sorry for the OT, but can someone tell me where I can find the Sounddiver list? -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysI like the Roland MC200 or is 100 - something like that? It cost about $229 US. and has 4 octaves, too! V Y wrote: > >i ordered a Virus B and it's my first machine ever to use to make something (let's say i'll try to make it sound like a music :), and for now i only want to ask all u professionals what kind of midi controller is the best right now that i should get for it? thank you very much for your time, >Vardan.Hi K.9, >Hm I would disagree. I own a mixer by Behringer, which was very cheap, has a lousy EQ but is pretty noiseless considering the price I paid. The mechanics of that thing are aweful too. I tested small Behringer versus Mackie VLZ Pro equivalent. The Behringer degraded signals thru the mic pre-amp, degraded line-level signals, and had less flexible signal routing. Sure it was cheap, it just wasn't any good. Whereas the Mackie is good enough for semi-pro recording work. Cheers, ThomasHey Norsez, >This seems to come up in every wish list threads. One would wish for something and some people would come up and say, we don't want that. There are only so many development resources available, so these should be put into features which will benefit most people. Development isn't free, no matter how much you 'wish' it were. People being selective is actually positive and useful, so long as they don't go on too long about it. Cheers, ThomasHi Vardan, >what kind of midi controller is the best right now that i should get for it? A master keyboard without sounds is simplest. A keybd with sounds can also work well, running the keys to a computer sequencer which can switch them between the Virus and the keyboard's internal sounds. Try a few to find one with reasonable 'feel' on the keys, nice mod wheel, good pitch bender without too much dead zone in the center... Cheers, ThomasNine Inch Nail's keyboardist Charlie (forgot last name) uses a Yamaha CBXK2 for his control synth in concert. This is the only keyboard on stage, everything else is rack mounted underneath the stage. The CBXK2 is $279 at Musicians Friend http://www.musiciansfriend.com/cgi-bin/shop.dll/0003273452216207321957243133 12?pid=700744 ] on the web. The synth controls a Nord Modular, Access Virus, Raveolution 309, and some other gear too. He does have a tiny little [2 octave] Evolution Dancestation to trigger his EMU E4 Ultra XT. Yes you can get very expensive keyboards, and some people prefer a full blown workstation synth, but this just goes to show that 'more expensive isn't always better'. I'm not saying that's what others are emphasizing, but I know at one time I had that attitude. Personally, I bought a Nord Lead 2 synth and that's my only keyboard. I only paid $200 more than the rack, so it was worth it. But if I had it to do all over, I wouldn't mind the rack + the CBXK2. BTW, if anyone wants to see Charlie's personal studio, check out http://www.nin.com/pgs/c1.htmlIn a message dated 4/6/00 4:41:56 PM, mholloway@flashmail.com writes: >I think the easiest way to determine the possibilities of a synth is to listen to the music made from it. I have downloaded almost every mp3 of the Q I could find on the internet and I have not found anything remotely musical. I have found the easiest way to determine the possibilities of a synth is to MAKE music with it.......sit down in front of the damn thing and make some sounds! -Marshallhi I own a K2000VP and I must say; THIS is complete DIFFERENT synth that Virus. K2000VP is the best of digital synths. ----- Original Message ----- From: Cranes Music To: access-list@teklab.com Sent: Thursday, April 06, 2000 4:20 PM Subject: OT- Any Kurzweil K2000 owners out there? Hi, Any of you guys own a Kurzweil K2000 as well as the Virus? If you do, and are interested in swapping sounds, tips etc., then mail me direct at info@cranesmusic.com -Ben Greetings, I have heard from some that Macs are better for making music, and some say PCs are better. Anecdotes are one thing, but is there any hard evidence either way that Macs are better for music? Not to start a flame war of course, but this should be a simple matter of facts. Is there any reason why the Mac people here can definitely say the Mac is better for making music? Note: 'The Mac is easier to use' would nto be a good argument, since ease of use is directly tied to familiarity, right? I am very familiar with the PC. However, I do not own a current Mac, so I am curious how Mac users come to their conclusion about Macs being easier for music. I understand there are some out there who have had problems with the PC, though many with PC's do just fine. Anyone want to do a fact comparison? Is there more software for Mac (musically speaking). This would not seem to make sense since the PC has a gigantic installed base whereas the Mac is around 7-8% right? This alone is not an argument for quality, but it is a good reason why it would behoove any software manufacturer to support the PC. NOT supporting the PC would be a certain death sentence, in my opinion, if not now but in the long run as similar products do come out for the PC. This should not be a flame war. This should be about simple fact, not religion...there are quantifiable reasons why one type of machine is better than another. Does Apple spec their systems better for MIDI timing? Can this be matched with add-in cards on the PC? Is it all about processor speed? Does a 1 Gigahertz PC qualify for speed? What about SMP, won't that be supported in the near future for programs like Cakewalk or Cubase? (I have a SMP machine). Is the fact that Macs have non protected memory a factor? I see glaring inconsistencies in the Mac\PC music argument, and would like to know why people use what they use. (The reason is, I would consider a MAC for music if the evidence is strong enough...better yet, it would be cool to actually use a Mac system for music to see if there is any difference). Thanks! Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonOn Thu, 06 Apr 2000 17:05:53 -0500, Mark Pulver wrote: >(as Pulver decloaks...) hahah, I knew you wouldn't resist that one dude. Welcome "out"... ;-) Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Live Performance April 22nd 2000 Jodrell Bank planetarium see http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk for details.I bought the most cheap-ass keyboard I could find. I got it at a computer and stationary store, of all places. I do most of my "playing" with my computer and my RM1x anyway. cam At 07:46 PM 4/6/00 -0700, you wrote: >Hello people! >I know u don't like newbies with all our simple questions that u probably knew when ur parents where just planing to go out, but... >i ordered a Virus B and it's my first machine ever to use to make something (let's say i'll try to make it sound like a music :), and for now i only want to ask all u professionals what kind of midi controller is the best right now that i should get for it? >thank you very much for your time, >Vardan. > >P.S. for the guy who wrote about >newbies should go to some larger lists and ask their simple stuff there< i also don't have lots of time to read all the posts around the world and i'm sure i don't need 100 responds for such a simple question and i'm trying to stay focused on virus-related info in future. thanks again, V. > >------------------------------------------------------------ get yourname@goatrance.com from http://www.goatrance.com! trance, electronica, news and downloads at http://www.futuretrance.com > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Christoph - OK, I've just finished several hours of testing on this, and lo and behold, the Virus has proven itself again to be a wonderful synth... my earlier replies I must confess were borne out of frustration, and the hours I just spent after considering how to test the start message issue have again confirmed to me how great the Virus really is.... The key to the clocking issue is as you say, the VIRUS must first get a start message, then everything works perfectly. Here's the story: I begin my issuing a START command by pressing on a foot switch connected into the ExpressionMate (the pedal is programmed as a Toggle Switch, one press = START, second press = STOP) This start command is sent to my drum machine and the Virus, while clock is also send from the EM. Notes that I play from one zone of my KX88 master keyboard which are independently send to the Virus directly for arpeggiation, and from the second keyboard zone to the ExpressionMate (which in turn arpeggiates a Proteus 2000, all are in good sync... per the tempo set by the ExpressionMate. And now the really good news.... Any tempo changes that I make on the ExpressionMate are not only followed by the drum machine, but **also** by the Virus, and quite accurately I must say. I did completely unmusical torture tests for quite a while, varying the tempo wildly while keeping 16th note arpeggios on both the Virus and Proteus/EM combination... and the Virus worked just fine. It took me a bit of time to simplify my set up so I could be certain of my results, and to eliminate any possible problems other than the start command issue. Your email hit the nail on the head, and once again, I'm completely enthralled with this little red and black synth... the Virus is amazing. Thank you for your help!!! Bob ---------- >From: CKe9644719@aol.com >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Ext Clock >Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 8:38 AM > >In einer eMail vom 03.04.00 01:38:59 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> >>Only deal is that the arpeggiator is ignoring the external MIDI clock... I can wind the tempo knob of my Kurzweil ExpressionMate from one end of the tempo spectrum to the other, all my other gear reading it's clock changes appropriately, but the Virus' arpeggiator just keeps ignoring the external clock and playing based on what ever tempo is set by it's own internal settings. > >At the moment the Virus only detects the speed of a clock, when a song is started; that means when a start message is received. If not, the Virus uses its own tempo. We'll change that for the next update. > >Does the ExpressionMate have a Start and Stop button? > >-Christoph Hi Dan ! I can only speak of my personnal experience on both computers with music related software, but I think that's what you want to hear... So first of all, I've never experienced a crash with MacOS (since this is a "close architecture") neither with WindowsNT (which I strongly recommend to all PCists). Concerning the performances, I think speed is not the main point (for example a G4 500 MHz is more powerful than PIII 500MHz according to the benchmark tests). Motorola tries to developp a faster and reliable instructions set (altivec, velocity Engine) when AMD and Intel focus on the speed, and finally you have similar performances with different speeds. So I think the major elements are a reliable operating system (MacOS & NT), lots of Ram for your plug-ins, fast disks (preferably SCSI, which was native on apple computers until G3 B&W) and, of course, a good sequencer. I agree that Mac suffers from a lack of softwares compared to PCs, however, I've always found a good one in each category. Well, I know I've not answered the question, but I think this is an unending topic. I'm no "MacWarrior" but since I've never experienced any troubles with my G3 and former Macs, I just can say they're good computers for music. P.S. sorry for my approximate english, french people are rather bad with foreign languages... fred www.mp3.com/pathfinder ____________________________ http://www.worldonline.fr/At 3:57 PM +1200 on 07.04.2000 Thomas Whitmore wrote: Hey Norsez, >This seems to come up in every wish list threads. One would wish for something and some people would come up and say, we don't want that. There are only so many development resources available, so these should be put into features which will benefit most people. Development isn't free, no matter how much you 'wish' it were. People being selective is actually positive and useful, so long as they don't go on too long about it. But how they spend their time developing is still Access decision anyways, it's not like they are going to think "wow three people have sked for helicopters, so now let's spend a month to at least implement a helicopter game into the display"... keep the wishes coming, if you don't like wishes of others,m wish for something that you find useful. But don't repeat things that have been said, try to be more creative, try to make up something new, that hasn't been said. I very much agree wich norsez, don't "counterwish"! think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 9:22 PM -0700 on 06.04.2000 Mark Holloway wrote: Nine Inch Nail's keyboardist Charlie (forgot last name) uses a Yamaha CBXK2 for his control synth in concert. This is the only keyboard on stage, everything else is rack mounted underneath the stage. The CBXK2 is $279 at Musicians Friend Oh really? when I saw them in 1994 I spoke to a guy (because I was so worried about how many keyboards they destroy) and he said something like: "Ah they're just old DX-7s, very cheap and impossible to destroy [when used for masterkeyboard purposes I guess he was saying]. We have this guy, we call him the necromancer and he let's them dry, puts some new keys on them and they are back to normal again..." but this is a long time ago, maybe they have reduced the availability of DX-7s to a point where this was no longer possible... Or some "Synth Rights" group interfered with their inhumane treatment of musical instruments...;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 6:15 PM -0700 on 06.04.2000 Guy Incognito wrote: Even though that guy was knocking the Q, it now makes me want to buy one cuz it must have some interesting "nonmusical" tones for him to hate it so much.....and if anything is nonmusical, it's top 40 music..... Go buy a korg buddy! Yanni uses them! Actually on the Waldorf list, they managed to turn the guy around. He now says that he needs to get into the Q some more and stuff... aahh, the power of peer pressure...;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Can you believe this guy? Hey! Get a Mac. Dan The Burke wrote: >Greetings, > >I have heard from some that Macs are better for making music, and some say PCs are better. Anecdotes are one thing, but is there any hard evidence either way that Macs are better for music? Not to start a flame war of course, but this should be a simple matter of facts. Is there any reason why the Mac people here can definitely say the Mac is better for making music? Note: 'The Mac is easier to use' would nto be a good argument, since ease of use is directly tied to familiarity, right? I am very familiar with the PC. However, I do not own a current Mac, so I am curious how Mac users come to their conclusion about Macs being easier for music. I understand there are some out there who have had problems with the PC, though many with PC's do just fine. >Thanks! > >Dan The Burke >www.burkestudios.com >www.mp3.com/nukleonSomeone asked me this same question after I shelved my Pentium III 500 for a new MAC G4-400....my answer was... (wait for it) The big difference I found was that "I had new error messages when it crashed..." A few weeks later and a bug fix from MOTU (the MIDI Timepiece AV-USB had a bug) and I have not had a problem with the computer.....but...see my next email.... -----Original Message----- From: anaya [SMTP:monokrom@sirius.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 3:41 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? Can you believe this guy? Hey! Get a Mac. Dan The Burke wrote: >Greetings, > >I have heard from some that Macs are better for making music, and some say >PCs are better. Anecdotes are one thing, but is there any hard evidence either way that Macs are better for music? Not to start a flame war of course, but this should be a simple matter of facts. Is there any reason why >the Mac people here can definitely say the Mac is better for making music? >Note: 'The Mac is easier to use' would nto be a good argument, since ease of >use is directly tied to familiarity, right? I am very familiar with the PC. >However, I do not own a current Mac, so I am curious how Mac users come to >their conclusion about Macs being easier for music. I understand there are >some out there who have had problems with the PC, though many with PC's do >just fine. >Thanks! > >Dan The Burke >www.burkestudios.com >www.mp3.com/nukleonI'd like to see drum-maps on my Virus b! Just like the NOrd lead and the Q.4.0 includes: 3.1 3.2 3.3 3.4 3.5 3.6 3.7 3.8 3.9 :) Seeya Infected Ones at Frankfurt??? 13 and 14 April I am also there looking for an hard-disk for my MiniMoog. Rob Papen>Can you believe this guy? Hey! Get a Mac. What? Do I look like an idiot? Why don't you answer the QUESTION if you have a leaning toward Mac, remember, only a dolt would buy something JUST BECAUSE someone wrote a one line email that said, 'Get a Mac'. Now please, if you have any logical reason why I should consider one, then have at it. I am fairly well versed with PC's as it is, having done IT for some major L.A. companies, so don't insult my intelligence with more email such as the one you just sent. What, am I to assume that EVERYONE that does music uses Mac to warrant such a crass attitude such as 'Can you believe this guy?' Did I just step off from planet X or what? Since the installed base is so low, I know that many people don't use Macs for music, and many do...the thing is, since I don't OWN a Mac, is...WHY? Is it REALLY worth getting a very cool looking G4 (with less PCI slots than what I have now) *just* for music? I take my music quite seriously, and truly do want the best for it. All I want are logical reasons, not hype, slogans, religion, 'Think Differents' and all that. Everything about Macs and PC's can be quantified, and I would honestly like to know WHY some peeps use Macs instead of PC's , specifically for music. This is not an attempt to start a flame war, even though I just got a couple of burning sticks thrown under my feet. Hopefully, we can ignore those and just get some info from some people here who make music with Macs. Thanks... Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonThomas, My point is not that what to add or what not to add in the Virus. (Not to mention that we all know it's not really us, customers' decision on what to add. It's practically entirely Access'.) It's just that letting people freely wish promotes the creative atmostphere. E.g. everyone keeping improving somebody's basic wish may end up one of the most creative functions on a synth of all time. Killing someone's wish right now kill that possibilies. Plus it also creates the elite me-know-it-all atmosphere that may turn off a lot of great people from contributing positively to the list. :) norsez --- Thomas Whitmore wrote: >Hey Norsez, > >>This seems to come up in every wish list threads. One would wish for something and some people would come up and say, we don't want that. > >There are only so many development resources available, so these should be >put into features which will benefit most people. > >Development isn't free, no matter how much you 'wish' it were. People being >selective is actually positive and useful, so long as they don't go on too >long about it. > > >Cheers, >Thomas > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 09:19 07.04.00 -0400, you wrote: >The UN has set up a Hunger page on the web and if you go out there and simply click a button someone somewhere in the world gets to eat - No cost to you. Corporate sponsors pay for the food. Its takes less than 5 seconds (no forms to fill out) so if you're so inclined point your browser to: > >http://www.thehungersite.com > >The website was down when I tried it this morning but I went out there yesterday so it's a good URL... >You're only allowed one donation so pass the word... Seems to be still down.... Best Wishes, Joerg Huettner --------------------------------------------------------------- Joerg Huettner TSi GmbH Product Support Neustr. 9-12 jh@tsi-gmbh.de D-53498 Waldorf http://www.tsi-gmbh.de Hotline #: +49-(0)2636-9764-64 http://www.waldorf-gmbh.de Fax #: +49-(0)2636-9764-99 ---------------------------------------------------------------The reason I chose Mac is mainly because it operates in a very logical way that doesn't interfere with my creative process. I've found PCs to be a little intrusive in that respect. Aside from seeming a lot more stable, crash-wise (I REALLY have to be pushing it to get my G4 to crash), another advantage I haven't seen anyone else mention is the Macs file translation capabilities. In my workplace, I work on a Mac (video editing) and our graphics people, for some weird reason, are using PCs. Sometimes it seems like I spend half my shift opening files for them and re-saving them because their PCs couldn't deal with a particular file or disk format that my Mac will use transparently. Ultimately, the choice needs to be yours no matter how many people tell you which platform is better.They're both good platforms, you just need to find theone that fits you and your style of working better. For me, it's Mac hands down.If you want a good controller with a great feel, check out the Roland A-90. It's pricey (I got mine for $1800 a few years ago) and you need a strong back to lug it around (weighs about 60 pounds). As a classical pianist who couldn't afford a Steinway ( at the time, got one now!), the A90 at $1800 felt and sounded better for any other upright piano at $5000. The touch of the A90 is what sets it apart from the competition. You definitely get better velocity control on a stiffer keyboard like the A90 versus a cheesy plastic keyboard. You can split the keyboard into 4 zones (which I don't understand because I've yet to see anyone play with their feet), but I often split it into 2, set the left hand MIDI channel to play a nice Arpeggiator and set the right hand MIDI channel to play a lead. The drawback - it's BIG, a pain to haul around. But if your controller will have a semi permanent place, and you got the bucks, check it out. Another thing, I'm tired of newbies apologizing for their questions. Ask it! I'm a newbie too (just owned the Virus for a month). That's why we are here, right? Bill (Wilhelm)The last two tracks I ever finished (almost two years ago) where recorded thru my then Behringer Eurorack 2804. Those tracks came out tight. That's all I can say on this one. BTW: As soon as my new track is finished, I will put them up. I'm just waiting for my bud to finish up the final mix. Rick >Hi K.9, > >Sure it was cheap, it just wasn't any good. Whereas the Mackie is good enough for semi-pro recording work. > > >Cheers, >Thomas I write music on a mac and do graphic design also. I've only messed with music programs a little bit on the pc, but I have done some extensive graphics work and found that pc's have alot more stange quirks about the software and crash more frequently. There's no real advantage to either machine, but if you like a cleaner and more human interface, go with a mac...I personally cant stand looking for files on a pc...plus OSX is coming out for the mac this summer, which will blow the doors off any bill gates creation....I think its Linux based and all programs work independent of each other causing only program crashes. I use an old powermac 8500 and have no complaints with my midi interface or anything musically related.... Mac also seem to be less receptive to viruses, cuz more viruses are targeted at businesses, and most businesses have pcs..... Darth Vader had a mac.....Come to the dark side. Gel-Sol Please dont flame me, I kept my opinions to a minimum, and was speaking out of preference cuz someone wanted to hear a mac persons point of view....if something better than both a mac and pc came out tommorow, I'd throw my mac off a cliff..... --- Dan The Burke wrote: > > >>Can you believe this guy? Hey! Get a Mac. > >What? Do I look like an idiot? > >Why don't you answer the QUESTION if you have a leaning toward Mac, >remember, only a dolt would buy something JUST BECAUSE someone wrote a one >line email that said, 'Get a Mac'. > >Now please, if you have any logical reason why I should consider one, then >have at it. I am fairly well versed with PC's as it is, having done IT for >some major L.A. companies, so don't insult my intelligence with more email >such as the one you just sent. What, am I to assume that EVERYONE that does >music uses Mac to warrant such a crass attitude such as 'Can you believe >this guy?' Did I just step off from planet X or what? Since the installed >base is so low, I know that many people don't use Macs for music, and many >do...the thing is, since I don't OWN a Mac, is...WHY? Is it REALLY worth >getting a very cool looking G4 (with less PCI slots than what I have now) >*just* for music? I take my music quite seriously, and truly do want the >best for it. > >All I want are logical reasons, not hype, slogans, religion, 'Think >Differents' and all that. > >Everything about Macs and PC's can be quantified, and I would honestly like >to know WHY some peeps use Macs instead of PC's , specifically for music. > >This is not an attempt to start a flame war, even though I just got a couple >of burning sticks thrown under my feet. Hopefully, we can ignore those and >just get some info from some people here who make music with Macs. > >Thanks... > >Dan The Burke >www.burkestudios.com >www.mp3.com/nukleon > > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi, I've been a pretty quiet member of the list for the last two years and I'd just like to say that besides for my girlfriend the virus is the most important thing in my life. Somebody mentioned this a couple of days ago and I have always experienced this with the Virus a through the mod matrix and the Virus b with various midi ports. Is this a bug or is there some setting that I could flick? I have midi switched to panel. When you shuttle through lfo or other parameters that are sending signals, the destination gets changed even if the amount is set to zero. Any ideas? It's a brilliant feature but I can hardly use it for fear that it'll screw up my patch. Mike Egar.Christoph - an early morning addendum... The ExpressionMate has a pedal option where it reads tempo as measured between pedal clicks.. with this you can add ritards, accelerandos, etc... And the Virus followed this perfectly... ahhh, who needs sleep when there synths around.. Bob ---------- >From: "Bob Frye" To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Ext Clock >Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 1:09 AM > >Christoph - > >OK, I've just finished several hours of testing on this, and lo and behold, the Virus has proven itself again to be a wonderful synth... my earlier replies I must confess were borne out of frustration, and the hours I just spent after considering how to test the start message issue have again confirmed to me how great the Virus really is.... > >The key to the clocking issue is as you say, the VIRUS must first get a start message, then everything works perfectly. Here's the story: > >I begin my issuing a START command by pressing on a foot switch connected into the ExpressionMate (the pedal is programmed as a Toggle Switch, one press = START, second press = STOP) This start command is sent to my drum machine and the Virus, while clock is also send from the EM. > >Notes that I play from one zone of my KX88 master keyboard which are independently send to the Virus directly for arpeggiation, and from the second keyboard zone to the ExpressionMate (which in turn arpeggiates a Proteus 2000, all are in good sync... per the tempo set by the ExpressionMate. > >And now the really good news.... > >Any tempo changes that I make on the ExpressionMate are not only followed by the drum machine, but **also** by the Virus, and quite accurately I must say. I did completely unmusical torture tests for quite a while, varying the tempo wildly while keeping 16th note arpeggios on both the Virus and Proteus/EM combination... and the Virus worked just fine. > >It took me a bit of time to simplify my set up so I could be certain of my results, and to eliminate any possible problems other than the start command issue. Your email hit the nail on the head, and once again, I'm completely enthralled with this little red and black synth... the Virus is amazing. > >Thank you for your help!!! > >Bob > > >---------- >>From: CKe9644719@aol.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Re: Ext Clock >>Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 8:38 AM >> > >>In einer eMail vom 03.04.00 01:38:59 MEZ, schreiben Sie: >> >>> >>>Only deal is that the arpeggiator is ignoring the external MIDI clock... I can wind the tempo knob of my Kurzweil ExpressionMate from one end of the tempo spectrum to the other, all my other gear reading it's clock changes appropriately, but the Virus' arpeggiator just keeps ignoring the external clock and playing based on what ever tempo is set by it's own internal settings. >> >>At the moment the Virus only detects the speed of a clock, when a song is started; that means when a start message is received. If not, the Virus uses its own tempo. We'll change that for the next update. >> >>Does the ExpressionMate have a Start and Stop button? >> >>-Christoph >> i got a midi keyboard controller off of Ebay for about $50 it has pitch bend and modualtion, all 16 midi channels after touch, velocity, chorus, and controller functions, a floor sustain pedal, and it's really light weight! can be carried in one hand! the keys are quick! definitely a deal, It fit exactly what i needed it for ( a portable virus controller ) good luck with the gear hunt stay infected ! Android...I just went to a Adobe DV conference and found out why people are switching to PCs for video... ...it's cause the video cards used for 'serious' DV editing are PC only compatible! For some reason they're not writing Mac drivers...?!? Seems really odd in a Mac dominated feild. My two cents. oh, and forget Mac or PC for music, get a hardware sequencer. PCs crash, Macs crash, they're both crap... B -----Original Message----- From: Tom Shear [mailto:tshear@radius.lenfest.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:26 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? The reason I chose Mac is mainly because it operates in a very logical way that doesn't interfere with my creative process. I've found PCs to be a little intrusive in that respect. Aside from seeming a lot more stable, crash-wise (I REALLY have to be pushing it to get my G4 to crash), another advantage I haven't seen anyone else mention is the Macs file translation capabilities. In my workplace, I work on a Mac (video editing) and our graphics people, for some weird reason, are using PCs. Sometimes it seems like I spend half my shift opening files for them and re-saving them because their PCs couldn't deal with a particular file or disk format that my Mac will use transparently. Ultimately, the choice needs to be yours no matter how many people tell you which platform is better.They're both good platforms, you just need to find theone that fits you and your style of working better. For me, it's Mac hands down.Christoph, Yes, I am still having that problem with the arpeggiator and MIDI clock. I am definitely getting some drift in the clocking...either from my system or from the virus...it's hard or me to know where the problem is. Sometimes it's fine but OFTEN my arpeggiated parts get way out of whack timing -wise. Could this have anything to do with your comment "... At the moment the Virus only detects the speed of a clock, when a song is started; that means when a start message is received...". Please clarify this for me...my understanding is that the virus (or any MIDI instrument that supports external clock) continues to read the clock (384 pulses per quarter note) constantly throughout the sequence. If it doesn't then that explains everything.....if the virus only reads the clock at the start of the song, any slight drift in the sequencer or virus timing would then result in my problem. But I don't believe that's what you meant , is it? -----Original Message----- From: CKe9644719@aol.com [SMTP:CKe9644719@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:39 AM To: access-list@teklab.com; paddyryan@home.com Subject: Re: MIDI Clock-arpeggiator problems after long rest In einer eMail vom 29.03.00 00:10:58 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >I have a multi-channel sequence on Cubase using the VIRUS b among other things. Two of the VIRUS parts are using the arpeggiator running off MIDI >clock (three hundred and eighty whatever PPQ). If I start the sequence shortly before or at the point where these parts come in, it works fine, but if these parts come in after a prolonged rest >(ie these parts aren't used for a while) when they come back in they are completely out of time (i.e. off by several PPQs). I originally thought that the MIDI clock was getting corrupted through my MIDI Timepiece AV-USB, >but did several tests with results as follows. > Paddy, I didn't receive any mail from you. Is the problem still actual? Christoph Kemper access musicOk, not to start another fight, but dont get a hardware sequencer if you don't plan on playing live anytime soon....they suck for programming....I had an Akai MPC 2000 and it just doesn't compare to the complex editing and GUI of a program like CuBase or whatever.... And hardware sequencers are no fun to use...... Good luck with your shopping adventure! Gel-Sol --- Bryan Rodgers wrote: >...I just went to a Adobe DV conference and found out why people are >switching to PCs for video... ...it's cause the video cards used for >'serious' DV editing are PC only compatible! For some reason they're not >writing Mac drivers...?!? > >Seems really odd in a Mac dominated feild. > >My two cents. > >oh, and forget Mac or PC for music, get a hardware sequencer. PCs crash, >Macs crash, they're both crap... > >B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Shear [mailto:tshear@radius.lenfest.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:26 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? > > > >The reason I chose Mac is mainly because it operates in a very logical way >that >doesn't interfere with my creative process. I've found PCs to be a little >intrusive in that respect. >Aside from seeming a lot more stable, crash-wise (I REALLY have to be >pushing >it to get my G4 to crash), another advantage I haven't seen anyone else >mention >is the Macs file translation capabilities. In my workplace, I work on a Mac >(video editing) and our graphics people, for some weird reason, are using >PCs. >Sometimes it seems like I spend half my shift opening files for them and >re-saving them because their PCs couldn't deal with a particular file or >disk >format that my Mac will use transparently. Ultimately, the choice needs to >be >yours no matter how many people tell you which platform is better.They're >both >good platforms, you just need to find theone that fits you and your style of >working better. For me, it's Mac hands down. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comsorry, but thems is fight'n words... My RM1x is waaayyy easier to get my idea's out on, then any Cubase/software version I've ever used. when you are trouble shooting computer problems and lost data, instead of making music, it's time to look else where... ...but to each his own. B -----Original Message----- From: Guy Incognito [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 4:02 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: RE: Mac or PC for music? Ok, not to start another fight, but dont get a hardware sequencer if you don't plan on playing live anytime soon....they suck for programming....I had an Akai MPC 2000 and it just doesn't compare to the complex editing and GUI of a program like CuBase or whatever.... And hardware sequencers are no fun to use...... Good luck with your shopping adventure! Gel-Sol --- Bryan Rodgers wrote: >...I just went to a Adobe DV conference and found out why people are >switching to PCs for video... ...it's cause the video cards used for >'serious' DV editing are PC only compatible! For some reason they're not >writing Mac drivers...?!? > >Seems really odd in a Mac dominated feild. > >My two cents. > >oh, and forget Mac or PC for music, get a hardware sequencer. PCs crash, >Macs crash, they're both crap... > >B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Tom Shear [mailto:tshear@radius.lenfest.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 9:26 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? > > > >The reason I chose Mac is mainly because it operates in a very logical way >that >doesn't interfere with my creative process. I've found PCs to be a little >intrusive in that respect. >Aside from seeming a lot more stable, crash-wise (I REALLY have to be >pushing >it to get my G4 to crash), another advantage I haven't seen anyone else >mention >is the Macs file translation capabilities. In my workplace, I work on a Mac >(video editing) and our graphics people, for some weird reason, are using >PCs. >Sometimes it seems like I spend half my shift opening files for them and >re-saving them because their PCs couldn't deal with a particular file or >disk >format that my Mac will use transparently. Ultimately, the choice needs to >be >yours no matter how many people tell you which platform is better.They're >both >good platforms, you just need to find theone that fits you and your style of >working better. For me, it's Mac hands down. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comPerhapse I should rationalise my request for an input compressor. A while ago, it was sugjested that an "effect" compressor be added. This idea was nixed because one could tweak the envelopes and other parameters to get the same result. I agree that a compressor in this sence is silly. Latelly, I've been exploring all the things one can do with the input. The sounds that can be created are phenominal. The virus is a sonic toolbox. However, the one tool I keep wishing I had was a compressor. So, why not an external compressor? Well... why not an external delay? Chorus? Phaser? Distortion? I'm sure we could have 32 or 48 voices if we did that. Internal effects keep the signal cleaner, and they're a lot more handy than having to patch a few 1/4 inch cables and lug arround a wall wart. So... why did I sugjest it? It's a simple feature that could make the virus even more versitle. The "joy of infection" (tm) is all about simple ideas that are eloquently executed. On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Thomas Whitmore wrote: >Hey Norsez, > >>This seems to come up in every wish list threads. One would wish for something and some people would come up and say, we don't want that. > >There are only so many development resources available, so these should be put into features which will benefit most people. > >Development isn't free, no matter how much you 'wish' it were. People being selective is actually positive and useful, so long as they don't go on too long about it. > > >Cheers, >Thomas MIDI beat clock is always 24 ticks per quarter, regardless of your sequencer's internal resolution. Please clarify this for me...my understanding is that the virus (or any MIDI instrument that supports external clock) continues to read the clock (384 pulses per quarter note) constantly throughout the sequence. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com hey yo i m on an audio-school and we have to work with macs. but most of our teachers use pcs. it s cheaper! an d me myself and i do own a pc too and it works works works! i have 11 years of expreience in using pcs now and i can say: find a guy who configures your pc perfectly and everything will work! buy a p3 500+, 128mb ram, scsi3+ or an uata/66 hd 10gb+ and a standard vga card with agp. try avoiding a ultra-maximizer-turbo-power-mega vga card with 100024789mb of ultra fast fire sdfV65xRAM with maximum of 3dfx support - it slows your audio! and do it like that: - format your hd - make partitions and one ONLY for audio! - install windows 98 {not 2000 yet} - do NOT instal things you do not need like games, onlinenonsense, etc - install things you need not you want to try and avoid installing programs that can/may IMPROOOOOOVE your systemperformance!!!!!!! - make a backup of your registry before installing anything new and try keeping an AUDIO-PC!!!! not a games, grafix and inet pc with few audio-possibilities! - dont buy dell pcs or from other companies {full-systems -hahaha its shit!} - buy in a cheap good smal shop and say what you want! you dont need tv-options {unless you wanna sync something} and you do NOT need cheap shit soundcards like the sb live! - buy a soundcard at your music-dealer {terratec, midiman, rme or motu} most studios use a mac because they do it for years. and they only need it for audio. a well-configured pc can give you the same and much cheaper! and with much more software. and guess it will not crash! my doesnt crash! some time ago we all laughed at school when the teacher was not able to start his mac... btw: f*c* windows! kanouSo, why not an external compressor? Well... why not an external delay? Chorus? Phaser? Distortion? I'm sure we could have 32 or 48 voices if we did that. Internal effects keep the signal cleaner, and they're a lot more handy than having to patch a few 1/4 inch cables and lug arround a wall wart. Chorus, phaser, distortion are effects that directly alter the timbre of the sound and benefit from being tied into the synth's modulation matrix. Delay is arguable but it can also be an essential part of a synth texture and can work in concert with an arpeggiator, MIDI-synced LFOs, etc., so it makes sense to include it in the synth engine. Compression is purely an audio process like limiting, noise reduction, etc. and is much more useful (essential even) on non-synth tracks. Like I said, if you're working with guitars, vocals, etc., you really should have a compressor anyway, otherwise you'd end up having to run all your live tracks through the Virus every time you record. An outboard compressor is good for a lot more than regulating the inputs on the Virus. So... why did I sugjest it? It's a simple feature that could make the virus even more versitle. The "joy of infection" (tm) is all about simple ideas that are eloquently executed. I wouldn't complain if they added one, but personally I'd much rather have them work on things that can't be added by spending $150 on a dedicated outboard processor (that will do a better job anyway): more saturation types, soft sync, more powerful envelopes, whatever is cooking in their mad scientist brains. Sure, it'd be nice to have everything you need all in one box, but you can't buy extra modulation routings as an external rackmount device, and DSP power is finite. I don't see any good reason to suppress (compress? limit?) dissenting opinions, as long as people stay civil and respect each other's suggestions. There's no point arguing about any of these things, since the decisions are made elsewhere anyway, but part of the reason Access participates in this list is so they can stay in touch with their customers' needs. Nicht wahr? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >I don't see any good reason to suppress (compress? limit?) dissenting opinions, as long as people stay civil and respect each other's suggestions. There's no >point arguing about any of these things, since the >decisions are made elsewhere anyway Really? You don't see the the opportunity of creating a more creative brainstroming-like atmosphere as one of the many good reasons? In contrast, I really do not see any good in contributing dissenting subjective counter opinions to the list. By the way, if the compressor is good for drums or vocal lines, why is it not as good as the delay is for arp synth lines? Let me borrow K9's trademark saying here, "Think different." ;-) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comThanks to everyone who responded! I would never fault anyone for using a Mac over a PC, or vice versa. The funny thing is, I have owned 2 Macs in the past, a IIci and a IIFX. I also owned an Amiga 500, an Atari 800 XL and oodles of IBM compatibles, inaccurately called the PC, but hey there ya go. As I said, I know PC's very well, and can and do build my own from the ground up using top quality parts. The reason I sold my Macs originally is that parts were far more expensive, Apple dictated how the machine was laid out, and software, as Apple users painfully know, was sparse. As far as file conversion, will it is normally a moot issue in a PC dominated world. Mac users HAVE to deal with PC',s but that is not always true the other way around. ONe look at market share lets you know why. Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com . Check out what we do if you like. Macs *used* to be one of a few options for graphics, because PC was mired in horrible DOS, however, all that changed with WIN 95. Programs got a lot better and more graphical, even tho WIN 95 is still based around DOS, at least it is a GUI a la Apple a la Xerox (the original GUI progenitors by whom Apple was inspired). We use PC's because of Windows NT. You get protected memory (crucial memory space is protected from write, making the OS more stable), you also have SMP (Symmetric Multi Processing) which allows 2 or more processors to work together under NT. This is AWESOME for 3D programs like 3D Studio MAX and also works with Photoshop, Premiere, and other programs. IN addition, you have dynamic memory allocation...this means a minimized program releases some RAM to other programs to use, and as far as I know, with Macs you have to assign certain amounts of RAM to certain programs, which retain a death grip on that RAM while they are running. Also, Preemptive Multitasking is quite nice too, not to mention general support by developers all over the world. If I need to read Mac files, which I never do, then I can just install MAcOpener, which works beautifully. I understand OS X will be out sometime, which was supposed to be Rhapsody, right? How long has that OS been in development? 9-10 years? Longer maybe? It is my theory that the Mac is becoming a PC, except made by Apple. They now have PCI, AGP, IDE drives, ethernet (instead of Apple Talk), many proggies by Microsoft like Office and Explorer. Firewire is a cool APple invention however, as usual, Apple is too greedy not to charge a per use royalty on this, and it will kill it I fear. Also, there are competing technologies that are coming out and won't be complicated with royalties (for dv cameras and the like). PC's do have USB, and firewire can be had as well with an add-in card. My NT almost never crashes either...it is rock solid, and I do music in Windows 98, which I never have a crash problem with either. This is also a nice feature, multi boot (Tho I am sure you could do that on a Mac, right?). All this and the price of a PC is dirt cheap, infintely upgradable and customizable, and now you can get a DUAL GIGAHERTZ machine if ye want!! I fully expect music programs, at some point, to support SMP. So what are the technical reasons why I would use a MAC for music? Besides ease of use, what technical advantage is there? Is there a practical advantage? The G4 looks amazing, so let me know! Thanks, Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleoni really try to avoid these off topic mac vs. pc battles but i will take a go at it anyway. i use a mac. i have used windows... i swear by the mac os.. it's easy as hell to use compared to the pc. the hierarchy is different... and i like being different ..i will buy macs till they die just to know i have a well built reputable machine that doesn't give me shit. i will support the sometimes stupid company because i like their marketing , their product quality, their i don't give a fuck what they say attitude.... i vote for the underdog... i don't support or endorse sweatshop companies or corporations that lend to the big brother theory.. and i am glad that i spend the extra money... there's something proud about saying,"i own a macintosh".. p.s. this should be taken to the music barhi norsez I think he made a good point ... since Access pays attention to this list as an arena for feedback, it's important to see how many of their users feel about a particular topic. >In contrast, I really do not see any good in contributing dissenting subjective counter opinions to the list. Then what is the point of having discussion lists at all? If I feel that having 24 modulation slots is more important than someone else wanting a then I will not hesitate to voice my opinion. We all have our own idea of what the 'perfect' Virus is ... and I encourage everyone to be expressive in their views. I hope nobody's ego gets hurt if their suggestion is not as important to everyone else as it is to himself. It's like politics, except without all the money. -zsWell, a 500mhz G4 is faster than a 500mhz pent III....I know that....like everyone said, one machine isn't really better than the other...some peeps crash, other peeps don't....its a judgement call on your part....try one out and see if you like it.... And for the person who made the excuse for pc's not dealing with file types because a mac has to deal with a pc more than a pc has to deal with a mac.... lame! It should work with every file type! And you get cool points for having a mac....no cool points for having a pc....everyone has a pc.... Price again is a factor too, so maybe you want a pc...it doesn't really matter....except the whole mac universe will be laughing at you....j/k I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... Damn, I'm gonna get shit for this one, aren't I? Gel-Sol --- Dan The Burke wrote: >Thanks to everyone who responded! > >I would never fault anyone for using a Mac over a PC, or vice versa. The >funny thing is, I have owned 2 Macs in the past, a IIci and a IIFX. I also >owned an Amiga 500, an Atari 800 XL and oodles of IBM compatibles, >inaccurately called the PC, but hey there ya go. > >As I said, I know PC's very well, and can and do build my own from the >ground up using top quality parts. The reason I sold my Macs originally is >that parts were far more expensive, Apple dictated how the machine was laid >out, and software, as Apple users painfully know, was sparse. > >As far as file conversion, will it is normally a moot issue in a PC >dominated world. Mac users HAVE to deal with PC',s but that is not always >true the other way around. ONe look at market share lets you know why. > >Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would >use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com >. Check out what we do if you like. Macs *used* to be one of a few options >for graphics, because PC was mired in horrible DOS, however, all that >changed with WIN 95. Programs got a lot better and more graphical, even tho >WIN 95 is still based around DOS, at least it is a GUI a la Apple a la Xerox >(the original GUI progenitors by whom Apple was inspired). > >We use PC's because of Windows NT. You get protected memory (crucial memory >space is protected from write, making the OS more stable), you also have SMP >(Symmetric Multi Processing) which allows 2 or more processors to work >together under NT. This is AWESOME for 3D programs like 3D Studio MAX and >also works with Photoshop, Premiere, and other programs. IN addition, you >have dynamic memory allocation...this means a minimized program releases >some RAM to other programs to use, and as far as I know, with Macs you have >to assign certain amounts of RAM to certain programs, which retain a death >grip on that RAM while they are running. Also, Preemptive Multitasking is >quite nice too, not to mention general support by developers all over the >world. If I need to read Mac files, which I never do, then I can just >install MAcOpener, which works beautifully. > >I understand OS X will be out sometime, which was supposed to be Rhapsody, >right? How long has that OS been in development? 9-10 years? Longer maybe? > >It is my theory that the Mac is becoming a PC, except made by Apple. They >now have PCI, AGP, IDE drives, ethernet (instead of Apple Talk), many >proggies by Microsoft like Office and Explorer. Firewire is a cool APple >invention however, as usual, Apple is too greedy not to charge a per use >royalty on this, and it will kill it I fear. Also, there are competing >technologies that are coming out and won't be complicated with royalties >(for dv cameras and the like). PC's do have USB, and firewire can be had as >well with an add-in card. > >My NT almost never crashes either...it is rock solid, and I do music in >Windows 98, which I never have a crash problem with either. This is also a >nice feature, multi boot (Tho I am sure you could do that on a Mac, right?). > >All this and the price of a PC is dirt cheap, infintely upgradable and >customizable, and now you can get a DUAL GIGAHERTZ machine if ye want!! I >fully expect music programs, at some point, to support SMP. > >So what are the technical reasons why I would use a MAC for music? Besides >ease of use, what technical advantage is there? Is there a practical >advantage? The G4 looks amazing, so let me know! > >Thanks, > >Dan The Burke >www.burkestudios.com >www.mp3.com/nukleon > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAnyone interested in making music is not going to be very concerned about obtaining, "cool points" for owning the "coolest" aesthetically marketed device. -fade operating mac/pc "what will we talk about when they disappear into the environment?" ----- Original Message ----- From: Guy Incognito To: Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:16 PM Subject: Re: mac, pc >Well, a 500mhz G4 is faster than a 500mhz pent III....I know that....like everyone said, one machine isn't really better than the other...some peeps crash, other peeps don't....its a judgement call on your part....try one out and see if you like it.... > >And for the person who made the excuse for pc's not dealing with file types because a mac has to deal with a pc more than a pc has to deal with a mac.... > >lame! It should work with every file type! > >And you get cool points for having a mac....no cool points for having a pc....everyone has a pc.... Price again is a factor too, so maybe you want a pc...it doesn't really matter....except the whole mac universe will be laughing at you....j/k > >I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... > >Damn, I'm gonna get shit for this one, aren't I? > >Gel-Sol > > >--- Dan The Burke wrote: >>Thanks to everyone who responded! >> >>I would never fault anyone for using a Mac over a PC, or vice versa. The >>funny thing is, I have owned 2 Macs in the past, a IIci and a IIFX. I also >>owned an Amiga 500, an Atari 800 XL and oodles of IBM compatibles, >>inaccurately called the PC, but hey there ya go. >> >>As I said, I know PC's very well, and can and do build my own from the >>ground up using top quality parts. The reason I sold my Macs originally is >>that parts were far more expensive, Apple dictated how the machine was laid >>out, and software, as Apple users painfully know, was sparse. >> >>As far as file conversion, will it is normally a moot issue in a PC >>dominated world. Mac users HAVE to deal with PC',s but that is not always >>true the other way around. ONe look at market share lets you know why. >> >>Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would >>use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com >>. Check out what we do if you like. Macs *used* to be one of a few options >>for graphics, because PC was mired in horrible DOS, however, all that >>changed with WIN 95. Programs got a lot better and more graphical, even tho >>WIN 95 is still based around DOS, at least it is a GUI a la Apple a la Xerox >>(the original GUI progenitors by whom Apple was inspired). >> >>We use PC's because of Windows NT. You get protected memory (crucial memory >>space is protected from write, making the OS more stable), you also have SMP >>(Symmetric Multi Processing) which allows 2 or more processors to work >>together under NT. This is AWESOME for 3D programs like 3D Studio MAX and >>also works with Photoshop, Premiere, and other programs. IN addition, you >>have dynamic memory allocation...this means a minimized program releases >>some RAM to other programs to use, and as far as I know, with Macs you have >>to assign certain amounts of RAM to certain programs, which retain a death >>grip on that RAM while they are running. Also, Preemptive Multitasking is >>quite nice too, not to mention general support by developers all over the >>world. If I need to read Mac files, which I never do, then I can just >>install MAcOpener, which works beautifully. >> >>I understand OS X will be out sometime, which was supposed to be Rhapsody, >>right? How long has that OS been in development? 9-10 years? Longer maybe? >> >>It is my theory that the Mac is becoming a PC, except made by Apple. They >>now have PCI, AGP, IDE drives, ethernet (instead of Apple Talk), many >>proggies by Microsoft like Office and Explorer. Firewire is a cool APple >>invention however, as usual, Apple is too greedy not to charge a per use >>royalty on this, and it will kill it I fear. Also, there are competing >>technologies that are coming out and won't be complicated with royalties >>(for dv cameras and the like). PC's do have USB, and firewire can be had as >>well with an add-in card. >> >>My NT almost never crashes either...it is rock solid, and I do music in >>Windows 98, which I never have a crash problem with either. This is also a >>nice feature, multi boot (Tho I am sure you could do that on a Mac, right?). >> >>All this and the price of a PC is dirt cheap, infintely upgradable and >>customizable, and now you can get a DUAL GIGAHERTZ machine if ye want!! I >>fully expect music programs, at some point, to support SMP. >> >>So what are the technical reasons why I would use a MAC for music? Besides >>ease of use, what technical advantage is there? Is there a practical >>advantage? The G4 looks amazing, so let me know! >> >>Thanks, >> >>Dan The Burke >>www.burkestudios.com >>www.mp3.com/nukleon >> >> >> > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI also have the same problem with my Virus B and clocking to Digital Perfomer. Sometimes its on and other times the arpeggiator drifts. I've gotten around this by using the arpeggiator in Dig Performer but would like to be able to us the one in the Virus. Any input here would be appreciated. LB440Hi Zack, Er... My point is just that we should keep from killing other people's wish. I do not have any problem hearing other people's wishes. I also feel my needs are more important than others' too, but I don't see any good in killing others' wishes just because I feel my needs come first. There is no contest around here. Nobody says Access is gonna pick only one of our wishes and abandon the rest. Anyway, before I start to ramble, let me repeat my point again, killing other people's wishes doesn't do any good. :-) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comSo the Virus A will not follow changes in MIDI clock? Incredible that this should be so... what an oversight... please tell me this will be fixed for the Virus A, not just the Virus B... and if it will be updated on the Virus A, when will this happen? for such a wonderful instrument, this is incredibly bad. Come to think of it, I don't seem to recall that the tempo display on the Virus even updated to reflect the incoming tempo via MIDI clock, but I'll have another look and test it out. The ExpressionMate has what ever functions you care to program, and then some. Start, stop... sure, you want it on a button or a foot switch? you want it to happen via incoming MIDI controller? sure, no problem,.. it's the most amazingly powerful controller and arpeggiator on the planet. Bob ---------- >From: CKe9644719@aol.com >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: Ext Clock >Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 7:38 AM > >In einer eMail vom 03.04.00 01:38:59 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> >>Only deal is that the arpeggiator is ignoring the external MIDI clock... I can wind the tempo knob of my Kurzweil ExpressionMate from one end of the tempo spectrum to the other, all my other gear reading it's clock changes appropriately, but the Virus' arpeggiator just keeps ignoring the external clock and playing based on what ever tempo is set by it's own internal settings. > >At the moment the Virus only detects the speed of a clock, when a song is started; that means when a start message is received. If not, the Virus uses its own tempo. We'll change that for the next update. > >Does the ExpressionMate have a Start and Stop button? > >-Christoph YES!!! My Virus AZ drifts out of sync too with MIDI clock, even when I'm not changing the incoming tempo of MIDI clock Please!!! Christopf, this HAS to be fixed soon!! Bob ---------- >From: Paddy Ryan >To: "'access-list@teklab.com'" Subject: RE: MIDI Clock-arpeggiator problems after long rest Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 12:01 PM > >Christoph, > >Yes, I am still having that problem with the arpeggiator and MIDI clock. I am definitely getting some drift in the clocking...either from my system or from the virus...it's hard or me to know where the problem is. Sometimes it's fine but OFTEN my arpeggiated parts get way out of whack timing -wise. Could this have anything to do with your comment "... At the moment the Virus only detects the speed of a clock, when a song is started; that means when a start message is received...". > >Please clarify this for me...my understanding is that the virus (or any MIDI instrument that supports external clock) continues to read the clock (384 pulses per quarter note) constantly throughout the sequence. If it doesn't then that explains everything.....if the virus only reads the clock at the start of the song, any slight drift in the sequencer or virus timing would then result in my problem. But I don't believe that's what you meant , is it? >-----Original Message----- >From: CKe9644719@aol.com [SMTP:CKe9644719@aol.com] Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 8:39 AM >To: access-list@teklab.com; paddyryan@home.com Subject: Re: MIDI Clock-arpeggiator problems after long rest > >In einer eMail vom 29.03.00 00:10:58 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> >>I have a multi-channel sequence on Cubase using the VIRUS b among other things. Two of the VIRUS parts are using the arpeggiator running off >MIDI >>clock (three hundred and eighty whatever PPQ). If I start the sequence shortly before or at the point where these parts come in, it works fine, but if these parts come in after a prolonged >rest >>(ie these parts aren't used for a while) when they come back in they are completely out of time (i.e. off by several PPQs). I originally thought that the MIDI clock was getting corrupted through my MIDI Timepiece >AV-USB, >>but did several tests with results as follows. >> > >Paddy, > >I didn't receive any mail from you. Is the problem still actual? > >Christoph Kemper >access music > Virus has to fix this... after all the revs in software in the A model, how could this still be a problem? bob ---------- >From: LB440@aol.com >To: access-list@teklab.com, paddyryan@home.com Subject: Re: RE: MIDI Clock-arpeggiator problems after long rest Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 5:52 PM > >I also have the same problem with my Virus B and clocking to Digital Perfomer. Sometimes its on and other times the arpeggiator drifts. I've gotten around this by using the arpeggiator in Dig Performer but would like to be able to us the one in the Virus. Any input here would be appreciated. LB440 Clock drift has nothing to do with how many ticks per quarter.. the Virus is NOT staying in sync and this will happen regardless of how clock is subdivided Bob ---------- >From: "Robert Tygers" To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: RE: MIDI Clock-arpeggiator problems after long rest Date: Fri, Apr 7, 2000, 12:55 PM > >MIDI beat clock is always 24 ticks per quarter, regardless of your sequencer's internal resolution. > > >>Please clarify this for me...my understanding is that the virus (or any MIDI instrument that supports external clock) continues to read the clock (384 pulses per quarter note) constantly throughout the sequence. >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >Well, a 500mhz G4 is faster than a 500mhz pent III....I know that....like everyone said, one machine isn't really better than the other...some peeps crash, other peeps don't....its a judgement call on your part....try one out and see if you like it.... Greetings Guy and list, The Mac processor, I believe, is faster if you compare a 500 Mhz Motorola\IBM designed chip to a 500 MhZ Intel chip, however, the Intel chip is up to 1000 MhZ now, or 1 Gigabyte. Also, the buss speed is faster before Apple gets a hold of this technology. PC's had 100 MhZ buss on the motherboard, Ram before Apple had this. It seems Apple is borrowing PC technology just like Gates borrowed' the GUI which Apple 'borrowed' from Xerox. Now we have DDR memory and Rambus is an option too. I don't know, for me, it is not about anecdotes and testimony, but facts. I'm only interested in hard facts. WHY is a Mac better for music? I think it is wonderful if someone loves a Mac, believe me, I think their design is second to none (except for the limited expansion, even on the Gx series). I also see Apple as a wonderful innovator, but yes, even Apple has a devisive infgrastructure which can hurt them as much as help them, perhaps this is why Rhapsody, their supposed SMP, protected memory, etc. OS is *still* in development? The OS is the biggest flaw with the Mac, not necessarily the hardware. But yet, the Gx series still suffers from less customization than the PC counterparts. And yes, AGP is only a recent phenomenon for Apple, but I am glad they are staying or trying to stay standard! If you think about it, the only think really different about the G4 is the chip, which is designed by Motorola and IBM! How's that for irony! Be glad that IBM or Sun did not buy Apple when they were trying to sell the company. >And for the person who made the excuse for pc's not dealing with file types because a mac has to deal with a pc more than a pc has to deal with a mac.... This is a simple fact. The fact is, the installed base of Macinstosh, to be conservative, is around 6-7%, *maybe* as high as 10% to be extremely generous. PC's are simply everywhere. To insist this is not true is just incorrect. Where I work, I only deal with PC's, and most people I know have PC's (for graphics and music). Only once did I ever have to deal with a Mac file in the last 5 years or so. >lame! It should work with every file type! Why? Does the Mac read BeOS, Linux, Unix or Amiga? No...why? No need to! Now understandably, the Mac has more installed base, but many PC users don't need to deal with MAcs. However, it would not hurt for WIN 2000 or any OS to read Macintosh. There are several programs out there that will allow a PC user to read any Mac file tho. This makes sense, since the product only sells if it is required...for me in particular, it is not. >And you get cool points for having a mac....no cool points for having a pc....everyone has a pc.... You don't get cool points for having a Mac with a PC user do you? ;) They heartily outnumber Mac users, and besides, 'cool points' don't make music or sell me on the technical 'superiority' of a Mac for music. I still am curious asa to any technical reasons why a Mac is better. Remember, this is not a religious debate that cannot be won (My god is bigger than your god) but a debate of facts. Are there any facts which would lead me to buy a Mac, knowing what I know, and using it in lieu of a PC for music? I really do want to hear sound, logical arguments, not hype, ad regurgitation, etc. The term 'Think Different' isn't even grammatically correct. ;) Should be, 'Think DifferentLY'. But that's just me and my crazy English teacher talking thru me. ;) >Price again is a factor too, so maybe you want a pc...it doesn't really matter....except the whole mac universe will be laughing at you....j/k Price is always a factor! What, do you want to spend all that money on a machine which you have'nt properly spec'ed out, as opposed to getting more synth hardware? ;) I don't. Have you seen how cheap a PIII 650 is nowadays with the release of the high speed Athlons and 1 GIG PIII's? PC's are dirt cheap, but that does NOT mean they suck...no, Hondas were cheap too but they are great vehicles. And once again, a few Mac users chuckling at me does not mean they are correct, nor does it help their music get any better because they laugh at a PC user. What is to laugh at? I know PC's pretty darned well, having done lots of IT work, and I'd like to think I know the Mac spec pretty well, and I just don't see why Macs are *better* for music? They might have been *at one time* when PC's were mired in DOS, but is that still true? You tell me! ;) >I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... Have you been in a Corvette C5 lately and what would you want to compare it to? How about the new Viper GT coupe? Is that fast enough for you? personally, I like the NSX, but the Corvette is FASTER *and* has traction control. (My friend just bought one!). :) Sorry but comparing PC's to American cars just doesn't bode well for you. Actually, American cars have improved tremendously, and so have PC's (since DOS). Macs did have a glory period, yes, back in 1984 and a little while after, and I suspect a lot of you cut your teeth on computers back then. I know I had some early Macs too. Any reason why they are superior to PC's now? I don't suspect that a 500 MhZ G4 is faster than a PIII 1000 MhZ or even the 1000 MhZ Athlon, especially for floating point calculation. Perhaps the 500 MhZ G4 is ok at integer calcs, but once again, tell me why is the Mac better for music? Is there an inherent MIDI timing issue that makes the Mac better, even though most of us use 3rd party cards such as the Delta, Yamaha, Emu, or even SB LIVE? Look at the price on the G4 from Apple, with that very cool display: $7,498.00 500MHz G4 1MB L2 256MB SDRAM 27GB Ultra ATA Zip drive DVD-RAM/DVD Video RAGE 128 Pro 10/100BASE-T Optional Apple Cinema Display The machine itself looks respectable, but what? Almost $8000????? The display adds around 2000 I hear, which is unbelievable expensive, even for flat panel. Besides all the PC type parts, the video card is inferior when compared to the Nvidia GeForce with DDR memory. Can you get a GeForce for the Mac? I suspect not, but you would think Apple would have the best video card out there for such a 'killer' system. What can you get for $8000 in the PC world? Price $4,655.00 Dell Dimension B Series: NEW Dimension¨ XPS B800r, Pentium¨ III Processor at 800 MHz Memory: 256MB RDRAM w/ECC Keyboard: Quietkey¨ Keyboard Monitor: 21" (19.8" viewable, .24AG) P1110 FD Trinitron¨ Video Card: NEW 64MB DDR NVIDIA geFORCE Plus AGP Graphics Card Hard Drive: 40GB Ultra ATA Hard Drive (7200 RPM) with ATA-66 Floppy Drive: 3.5" Floppy Drive Operating System: NEW Microsoft¨ Windows¨ 2000 Professional Mouse: Microsoft¨ Intellimouse¨ for use with Windows 2000 Network Card: 3COM¨ 3C905C-TXM 10/100 Remote Wake Up NIC Modem: V.905/56k PCI DataFax Modem for Windows 2000¨ DVD-ROM or CD-ROM Drive: NEW 12X Max Variable DVD ROM Drive with Software Decoding for 64MB DDR NVIDIA geForce Graphics Card Sound Card: SoundBlaster Live! Value Digital Speakers: Altec Lansing THX Certified ADA885 Dolby Digital Speakers with Subwoofer Bundled Software: Microsoft¨Office 2000 Small Business Plus Bookshelf 2000: Zip Drives: 250MB iomega Zip BUILT-IN Drive with One Disk Norton Antivirus¨ at no additional charge: Norton Antivirus¨ 2000 Service: Premier 3-Year Next Bus. WOW....faster, better parts, more PCI slots, the best AGP video card money can buy (short of pure 3D work), a bigger hard drive, an SB LIVE *before* you upgrade to your DAW card of choice, a 250 MB ZIP, etc. Guess what? After all that I could still have money left over to buy 2 Virus B's and a few rack items for music! Now call me NuTsO but WHY would I want to buy a Mac for music again??? Oh yeah, I didn't even get the most powerful system available today, and you still have the option to get two processors in the PC world. So can anyone clue me in, or am I just waaay out there? ;) Dan The BurkeI don't feel the least bit cool since i bought my Mac. LOL. I prefer to use it for music, but it's purely cuz my (mine... and I know others have PCs that work, mine didn't and my "off time" I dont' want to spend doing techie stuff.) was a piece of crap for music. I find it funny tho that the Mac guys even make the mistake about cost of the Mac being more expenisive as a negative.... this really surprises me.... The Mac actually has resale value. It's worth something (even the older ones). The PC is disposable. So it works out to not be more expensive at all... kinda moot. I've never sold an old PC, they are worth so little I just give it away to a friend. Now don't read that I'm Pro Mac. Both machines use a crappy "window" based OS. I don't discrimate, I hate them both haha. As for crashing, my Mac hasn't crashed yet, but the real bonus for me is that it configured itself for music making very easy, and stays configured. It was very empowering feeling to set it up.. I felt invincible "the black night always triumphs", I looked forward to installing cubase and logic audio, and on the PC it's like "oh boy now I gotta put X on, what is gonna break?" (that is my pc, your's might be different.) The bonus that I find about using the mac for music over the pc, is one of those things that you don't want to hear but, I just feel good about using it. I really lets me focus more on the music and less on option panels in cubase. Which is one of those lame sorta answers like "mac os is prettier", but my point is that in the end when i turn off my studio gear I'm feeling good. With my PC I'm frusrated. If the Mac had good games on it, I'd throw out my PC. Have Fun, Kintama PS soon as my wife saw the G4 she said "that is so GAY !" meanwhile the guys at work that love macs are appalled I have it under my desk and not on top as if to display it. haha just a music tool to me. Gay or cool looking I don't care. -----Original Message----- From: - To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:50 PM Subject: Re: mac, pc >Anyone interested in making music is not going to be very concerned about obtaining, "cool points" for owning the "coolest" aesthetically marketed device. > > > >-fade >operating mac/pc > >"what will we talk about when they disappear into the environment?" > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Guy Incognito >To: >Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 5:16 PM >Subject: Re: mac, pc > > >>Well, a 500mhz G4 is faster than a 500mhz pent III....I know that....like everyone said, one machine isn't really better than the other...some peeps crash, other peeps don't....its a judgement call on your part....try one out and see if you like it.... >> >>And for the person who made the excuse for pc's not dealing with file types because a mac has to deal with a pc more than a pc has to deal with a mac.... >> >>lame! It should work with every file type! >> >>And you get cool points for having a mac....no cool points for having a pc....everyone has a pc.... Price again is a factor too, so maybe you want a pc...it doesn't really matter....except the whole mac universe will be laughing at you....j/k >> >>I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... >> >>Damn, I'm gonna get shit for this one, aren't I? >> >>Gel-Sol >> >> >>--- Dan The Burke wrote: >>>Thanks to everyone who responded! >>> >>>I would never fault anyone for using a Mac over a PC, or vice versa. The >>>funny thing is, I have owned 2 Macs in the past, a IIci and a IIFX. I also >>>owned an Amiga 500, an Atari 800 XL and oodles of IBM compatibles, >>>inaccurately called the PC, but hey there ya go. >>> >>>As I said, I know PC's very well, and can and do build my own from the >>>ground up using top quality parts. The reason I sold my Macs originally is >>>that parts were far more expensive, Apple dictated how the machine was laid >>>out, and software, as Apple users painfully know, was sparse. >>> >>>As far as file conversion, will it is normally a moot issue in a PC >>>dominated world. Mac users HAVE to deal with PC',s but that is not always >>>true the other way around. ONe look at market share lets you know why. >>> >>>Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would >>>use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com >>>. Check out what we do if you like. Macs *used* to be one of a few options >>>for graphics, because PC was mired in horrible DOS, however, all that >>>changed with WIN 95. Programs got a lot better and more graphical, even tho >>>WIN 95 is still based around DOS, at least it is a GUI a la Apple a la Xerox >>>(the original GUI progenitors by whom Apple was inspired). >>> >>>We use PC's because of Windows NT. You get protected memory (crucial memory >>>space is protected from write, making the OS more stable), you also have SMP >>>(Symmetric Multi Processing) which allows 2 or more processors to work >>>together under NT. This is AWESOME for 3D programs like 3D Studio MAX and >>>also works with Photoshop, Premiere, and other programs. IN addition, you >>>have dynamic memory allocation...this means a minimized program releases >>>some RAM to other programs to use, and as far as I know, with Macs you have >>>to assign certain amounts of RAM to certain programs, which retain a death >>>grip on that RAM while they are running. Also, Preemptive Multitasking is >>>quite nice too, not to mention general support by developers all over the >>>world. If I need to read Mac files, which I never do, then I can just >>>install MAcOpener, which works beautifully. >>> >>>I understand OS X will be out sometime, which was supposed to be Rhapsody, >>>right? How long has that OS been in development? 9-10 years? Longer maybe? >>> >>>It is my theory that the Mac is becoming a PC, except made by Apple. They >>>now have PCI, AGP, IDE drives, ethernet (instead of Apple Talk), many >>>proggies by Microsoft like Office and Explorer. Firewire is a cool APple >>>invention however, as usual, Apple is too greedy not to charge a per use >>>royalty on this, and it will kill it I fear. Also, there are competing >>>technologies that are coming out and won't be complicated with royalties >>>(for dv cameras and the like). PC's do have USB, and firewire can be had as >>>well with an add-in card. >>> >>>My NT almost never crashes either...it is rock solid, and I do music in >>>Windows 98, which I never have a crash problem with either. This is also a >>>nice feature, multi boot (Tho I am sure you could do that on a Mac, right?). >>> >>>All this and the price of a PC is dirt cheap, infintely upgradable and >>>customizable, and now you can get a DUAL GIGAHERTZ machine if ye want!! I >>>fully expect music programs, at some point, to support SMP. >>> >>>So what are the technical reasons why I would use a MAC for music? Besides >>>ease of use, what technical advantage is there? Is there a practical >>>advantage? The G4 looks amazing, so let me know! >>> >>>Thanks, >>> >>>Dan The Burke >>>www.burkestudios.com >>>www.mp3.com/nukleon >>> >>> >>> >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > Jeez, I said I was just kidding and I get accosted by the comic book store guy on the simpsons..... I will say no more for fear of being "geeked" upon again.... Gel-Sol --- Dan The Burke wrote: >>Well, a 500mhz G4 is faster than a 500mhz pent III....I know that....like everyone said, one >machine >>isn't really better than the other...some peeps >crash, >>other peeps don't....its a judgement call on your part....try one out and see if you like it.... > >Greetings Guy and list, > >The Mac processor, I believe, is faster if you compare a 500 Mhz >Motorola\IBM designed chip to a 500 MhZ Intel chip, however, the Intel chip >is up to 1000 MhZ now, or 1 Gigabyte. Also, the buss speed is faster before >Apple gets a hold of this technology. PC's had 100 MhZ buss on the >motherboard, Ram before Apple had this. It seems Apple is borrowing PC >technology just like Gates borrowed' the GUI which Apple 'borrowed' from >Xerox. Now we have DDR memory and Rambus is an option too. I don't know, for >me, it is not about anecdotes and testimony, but facts. > >I'm only interested in hard facts. WHY is a Mac better for music? I think it >is wonderful if someone loves a Mac, believe me, I think their design is >second to none (except for the limited expansion, even on the Gx series). I >also see Apple as a wonderful innovator, but yes, even Apple has a devisive >infgrastructure which can hurt them as much as help them, perhaps this is >why Rhapsody, their supposed SMP, protected memory, etc. OS is *still* in >development? The OS is the biggest flaw with the Mac, not necessarily the >hardware. But yet, the Gx series still suffers from less customization than >the PC counterparts. And yes, AGP is only a recent phenomenon for Apple, but >I am glad they are staying or trying to stay standard! If you think about >it, the only think really different about the G4 is the chip, which is >designed by Motorola and IBM! How's that for irony! Be glad that IBM or Sun >did not buy Apple when they were trying to sell the company. > >>And for the person who made the excuse for pc's >not >>dealing with file types because a mac has to deal >with >>a pc more than a pc has to deal with a mac.... > >This is a simple fact. The fact is, the installed base of Macinstosh, to be >conservative, is around 6-7%, *maybe* as high as 10% to be extremely >generous. PC's are simply everywhere. To insist this is not true is just >incorrect. Where I work, I only deal with PC's, and most people I know have >PC's (for graphics and music). Only once did I ever have to deal with a Mac >file in the last 5 years or so. > >>lame! It should work with every file type! > >Why? Does the Mac read BeOS, Linux, Unix or Amiga? No...why? No need to! Now >understandably, the Mac has more installed base, but many PC users don't >need to deal with MAcs. However, it would not hurt for WIN 2000 or any OS to >read Macintosh. There are several programs out there that will allow a PC >user to read any Mac file tho. This makes sense, since the product only >sells if it is required...for me in particular, it is not. > >>And you get cool points for having a mac....no >cool >>points for having a pc....everyone has a pc.... > >You don't get cool points for having a Mac with a PC user do you? ;) They >heartily outnumber Mac users, and besides, 'cool points' don't make music or >sell me on the technical 'superiority' of a Mac for music. I still am >curious asa to any technical reasons why a Mac is better. Remember, this is >not a religious debate that cannot be won (My god is bigger than your god) >but a debate of facts. Are there any facts which would lead me to buy a Mac, >knowing what I know, and using it in lieu of a PC for music? I really do >want to hear sound, logical arguments, not hype, ad regurgitation, etc. The >term 'Think Different' isn't even grammatically correct. ;) Should be, >'Think DifferentLY'. But that's just me and my crazy English teacher talking >thru me. ;) > >>Price again is a factor too, so maybe you want a pc...it doesn't really matter....except the whole >mac >>universe will be laughing at you....j/k > >Price is always a factor! What, do you want to spend all that money on a >machine which you have'nt properly spec'ed out, as opposed to getting more >synth hardware? ;) I don't. Have you seen how cheap a PIII 650 is nowadays >with the release of the high speed Athlons and 1 GIG PIII's? PC's are dirt >cheap, but that does NOT mean they suck...no, Hondas were cheap too but they >are great vehicles. And once again, a few Mac users chuckling at me does >not mean they are correct, nor does it help their music get any better >because they laugh at a PC user. What is to laugh at? I know PC's pretty >darned well, having done lots of IT work, and I'd like to think I know the >Mac spec pretty well, and I just don't see why Macs are *better* for music? >They might have been *at one time* when PC's were mired in DOS, but is that >still true? You tell me! ;) > >>I wonder if pc users prefer American cars >also....It >>seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, >etc... > >Have you been in a Corvette C5 lately and what would you want to compare it >to? How about the new Viper GT coupe? Is that fast enough for you? >personally, I like the NSX, but the Corvette is FASTER *and* has traction >control. (My friend just bought one!). :) Sorry but comparing PC's to >American cars just doesn't bode well for you. Actually, American cars have >improved tremendously, and so have PC's (since DOS). Macs did have a glory >period, yes, back in 1984 and a little while after, and I suspect a lot of >you cut your teeth on computers back then. I know I had some early Macs too. >Any reason why they are superior to PC's now? > >I don't suspect that a 500 MhZ G4 is faster than a PIII 1000 MhZ or even the >1000 MhZ Athlon, especially for floating point calculation. Perhaps the 500 >MhZ G4 is ok at integer calcs, but once again, tell me why is the Mac better >for music? Is there an inherent MIDI timing issue that makes the Mac better, >even though most of us use 3rd party cards such as the Delta, Yamaha, Emu, >or even SB LIVE? > >Look at the price on the G4 from Apple, with that very cool display: > >$7,498.00 >500MHz G4 >1MB L2 >256MB SDRAM >27GB Ultra ATA >Zip drive >DVD-RAM/DVD Video >RAGE 128 Pro >10/100BASE-T >Optional >Apple Cinema Display > >The machine itself looks respectable, but what? Almost $8000????? The >display adds around 2000 I hear, which is unbelievable expensive, even for >flat panel. Besides all the PC type parts, the video card is inferior when >compared to the Nvidia GeForce with DDR memory. Can you get a GeForce for > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI forgot to mention that the reason I took the plunge to try this was my midi timing was really bad. and rather than getting a different midi box, I opted for the mac. it was a VERY VERY hard decision simply for the obvious reasons of what I could have bought for $2200 (cost of my mac and 19" monitor and ram). But I always had headaches and decided what the hell... I'll give it a shot. So I think to really take the plunge required a bit of stupidity on my part LOL... but I am glad. As for midi timing, I don't know technically why it's better, but it is ROCK SOLID to me ears.... of course of the musicians at work have the same timing. It comes down to this... I don't think there is any reason to get a Mac over a PC for music with regard to any technical reasons. It seems like it's really a person thing, and that is about it. Kintama>I forgot to mention that the reason I took the plunge to try this was my midi timing was really bad. and rather than getting a different midi box, I >opted for the mac. it was a VERY VERY hard decision simply for the obvious >reasons of what I could have bought for $2200 (cost of my mac and 19" monitor and ram). But I always had headaches and decided what the hell... I'll give it a shot. So I think to really take the plunge required a bit of >stupidity on my part LOL... but I am glad. As for midi timing, I don't know >technically why it's better, but it is ROCK SOLID to me ears.... of course of the musicians at work have the same timing. > >It comes down to this... I don't think there is any reason to get a Mac over a PC for music with regard to any technical reasons. It seems like it's really a person thing, and that is about it. > >Kintama Hi Kintama, I tend to agree with you. ;) Many people who favor Macs seem to state that they find it 'easier to use'. Hey more power to ya, and I cannot argue with an opinion...my only inquiries have been technical, but I agree that there is no compelling technical reason to use a Mac over a PC if a PC is working fine. In addition, I may in fact be one of those *geeky* types who doesn't mind tuning my PC so that it hums along like the dickens. Now if only I knew more about my Virus and other MIDI devices! ;) Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleon>Jeez, I said I was just kidding and I get accosted by the comic book store guy on the simpsons..... > >I will say no more for fear of being "geeked" upon again.... > >Gel-Sol You were kidding? ;) You sure were! At least I got a laugh out of it anyhoo. Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonif i had a wish i would wish for infinite wishes there's no hope in wishing if they don't come true ~I like our oppurtunity to push the boundaries of our synthsizers, and be so closely linked directly to it's evolution! of course all of our wishes for helicopter's and hamster effects. should only be taken only as a grain of salt and playful atempts to lighten up our studios ~ on a side note I remeber a rumor of a virus A update please keep us humble user's somewhere on the map thanx, big ups! much repsect ~ droid it seems we all have our personal prefrences to our syetems, from all the mac championing lately it'd be nice to pick one up, but there are so many different company's making pc's competitivly it keeps the price lower, money being an issue for me at the moment, but no matter what system I decide on. I need a good sequencing program, and midi device / sound card to drive my equipment, I'm familar with cakewalk and the power of pro-tools, as well as the roland usb / midi board. I have yet to check out cubase and logic, what's the most cost effective, and efficent program (after the learing curve) I've heard there's a virus plugin for pro tools any know about this? droidhi, a sounddemo of the virus tdm-plugin is on the access homepage.also some screenshots. my tip for a sequencer is logic audio. in "my" eyes the best seqeuncer system on the market! stay fresh jens DBDroid@aol.com schrieb: > >it seems we all have our personal prefrences to our syetems, from all the mac championing lately it'd be nice to pick one up, but there are so many different company's making pc's competitivly it keeps the price lower, money being an issue for me at the moment, but no matter what system I decide on. I need a good sequencing program, and midi device / sound card to drive my equipment, I'm familar with cakewalk and the power of pro-tools, as well as the roland usb / midi board. I have yet to check out cubase and logic, what's the most cost effective, and efficent program (after the learing curve) I've heard >there's a virus plugin for pro tools any know about this? >droidBy the way, if the compressor is good for drums or vocal lines, why is it not as good as the delay is for arp synth lines? Let me borrow K9's trademark saying here, "Think different." ;-) It's a lot harder to even out the levels of vocals and live drums. With synth lines you have control over the envelopes and velocities, so a compressor isn't generally needed. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com The Mac has and has always had much better integration between software and hardware, which for MIDI and digital audio is more important than raw speed. If you're happy with your PC there's not much point in switching, though. Regardless of which you prefer, this topic has nothing to do with the Virus, so please take the discussion to the music bar. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I am a new mac user and had my G4 for about 3 weeks, I haven't use it for music yet, but as far as I'm concern the mac crash as much as my pc if not more. I think if you really know what you're doing with a pc, in terms of setting-up and configuration, you will have a very stable, reliable system. The only reason why I switched to Mac is the internal clock. I haven't done any test, but just from listening to music done on both machine it seems quite obvious that the internal clock of the mac is more precise, I would think it's propably due to the fact that the pc system is DOS and you have to run windows to use most programs, so even before you open a program you already have two system running together. I think the most important thing to look for is which program you want to use, and then buy the machine that will work the best for this program. I'm getting Logic and Pro-tools and the Mac versions seems to be more stable. But there is a few programs that are very useful on pc such as Acid, Amen, Wave Surgeon, Soundforge, etc... 'hope this help a litlle. Dimitri -----Original Message----- From: Tom Shear To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Friday, April 07, 2000 6:19 PM Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? > >The reason I chose Mac is mainly because it operates in a very logical way that >doesn't interfere with my creative process. I've found PCs to be a little intrusive in that respect. >Aside from seeming a lot more stable, crash-wise (I REALLY have to be pushing >it to get my G4 to crash), another advantage I haven't seen anyone else mention >is the Macs file translation capabilities. In my workplace, I work on a Mac (video editing) and our graphics people, for some weird reason, are using PCs. >Sometimes it seems like I spend half my shift opening files for them and re-saving them because their PCs couldn't deal with a particular file or disk >format that my Mac will use transparently. Ultimately, the choice needs to be >yours no matter how many people tell you which platform is better.They're both >good platforms, you just need to find theone that fits you and your style of >working better. For me, it's Mac hands down. See, Robert? That's what I meant when I said it's no use trying to tell other people they don't want something based on your own way of working. (In fact, you don't even know what kind of music other people, e.g. me, make.) You may think compressor is for only one thing, but a lot of people including me don't use it the way mix down engineers traditionally do. (My music doesn't even have vocals or live drums.) Personally I see it as a must minimal setup music making and live performance. I see the use of it is so endless that I dare not give only a few examples here because it would only lead you to believe that I have only a few uses of it. However if you are curious, you can hear my music with a lot of non-traditional compressor using at http://www.mp3.com/cyclonix (minimal setup) and http://www.mp3.com/norsez (simple sound sources saved by compressor). Even a synth line from DJX can sound wicked if you know how to use a compressor creatively. How could you tell me I don't need compressor? :) norsez >It's a lot harder to even out the levels of vocals and >live drums. With >synth lines you have control over the envelopes and velocities, so a >compressor isn't generally needed. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>The Mac has and has always had much better integration between software and >hardware, which for MIDI and digital audio is more important than raw speed. >If you're happy with your PC there's not much point in switching, though. Hi there, Well not to let a statement go without some kind of response before I take this 'elsewhere'... Apple has been and still is in part a proprietary system, despite its evolution into a PC in many ways (ethernet from Appletalk, IDE from Apple SCSI, standard RAM, AGP technology, PCI slots, etc.) If you were to replace the Motorola-IBM designed chip with a PIII, you would pretty much have a PC! You see, Apple makes the OS *and* the hardware. This is good for Apple, and true, good for some things like software and hardware integration, but horrible for upgradability, customization, and one major hurdle to the attempt Apple made (at the behest of Bill Gates and others) to make clones. (Do you remember the Motorola Apple clones?). Since Apple owns the OS and hardware without opening the spec to clone makers, it means they can jack up the price of everything. If you remember, Apple software was more expensive than PC software for the longest time. Also, the higher prices Apple could charge (no competition from Apple clone makers) meant that there were fewer machines, whilst PC clones were evoling like lightning due to a competitive market for end users. What happened? The PC took over despite its inferior OS...until Win 95...then suddenly this army of PC users had a GUI, though one still based on DOS, it was a GUI. There was cake and people were eating it too. So whilst the hardware\software thing can be an advantage, it is outweighed by and has been the bane of Apple and is perhaps a reason why they don't enjoy more developer\hardware support and ultimately, the majority of market share. At one time, around 1984 and a while after, Apple could do no wrong. You might wonder why such an amazing little machine that could would be ousted by simple beige boxes with DOS, well they key was and still is, modularity, compatibility, customization, price (which is driven down by competition from 'clones'). Apple's integrated hardware and software was a major stumbling block in completing Rhapsody, which was supposed to be the be-all end-all OS for Apple. I don't wish death on Apple, I think they have very good ideas (and some very bad ones). The industry needs competition from players like Apple, Linux, BeOs (started by an ex-Apple software development leader), etc. I could perhaps see Apple's tighter integration with software and hardware being good for music...and specifics on this? Does this hold true even with 3rd party DAW cards such as the Layla, Delta 1010, Yamaha 1000 whatever, Emu APS, etc? >Regardless of which you prefer, this topic has nothing to do with the Virus, >so please take the discussion to the music bar. If you will note, this was a response not to a Virus question, but is a query to those who use Macs regarding their alleged superiority over PC's for music. If it were only about the Virus, I would go to the website or play with the thing. Dan The Burke www.Burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleon>I am a new mac user and had my G4 for about 3 weeks, I haven't use it for music yet, but as far as I'm concern the mac crash as much as my pc if not more. >I think if you really know what you're doing with a pc, in terms of setting-up and configuration, you will have a very stable, reliable system. >The only reason why I switched to Mac is the internal clock. I haven't done any test, but just from listening to music done on both machine it seems quite obvious that the internal clock of the mac is more precise, I would think it's propably due to the fact that the pc system is DOS and you have to run windows to use most programs, so even before you open a program you already have two system running together. I think the most important thing to look for is which program you want to use, and then buy the machine that will work the best for this program. I'm getting Logic and Pro-tools and the Mac versions seems to be more stable. >But there is a few programs that are very useful on pc such as Acid, Amen, Wave Surgeon, Soundforge, etc... >'hope this help a litlle. > >Dimitri Dimitri, That is a compelling argument, actually. Are you saying that one cannot circumvent the internal clock on a PC? Are you saying the processor itself is the culprit? If I use, let's say, a Midi timepiece for MIDI or the Delta 1010, that would not make it more stable? What about Windows 2000, which is not based on DOS, but is a pure 32 bit operating system? NT is the same but lacks support and only has DX 3 (or 5 if you know where to look!). I imagine that when Windows 2000 takes root with devlopers and has a bit more support, it should be a killer OS for music as well as just about anything else (32 bit games, SMP proggies, anything Direct X) and has full USB support, plug and play, and better security. What do you think? Windows 2000 is still cheaper than buying a whole G4 *just* for music. ;) Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonPlease could Jay put a filter into the VIRUS list that filters all messages regarding "PC vs MAC". I think that EVERYTIME this message gets sent it is first of all from someone who has too much time on his hands (IE a non musician or a child!). It takes up bandwidth and is a waste of time. People get sucked into a conversation I have seen million times over, and everytime it is by some jerk who can't make up his mind. Maybe this person should find out which package he wants to run and then go out and buy the machine. Another thing, please could the VIRUS-vs-XXX synth discussions also stop? I want to know about the VIRUS, not XXX synth. Maybe in a FAQ or one of the online TEKLAB lists the PC-VS-VIRUS and the VIRUS-VS-XXX questions should be asked. This reference could then be sent to everyone as part of the JOIN message. Thanks cyber7 (aka Aubrey) ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaHello everybody. I would just like to thank everyone from the VIRUS list who supported the 'cyber7&monophobe' happening last night. Not playing live for about 6 months, we took the gear out last night and partied till the early hours this morning. Lots of stories were told, heads were filled and feet was moved by the upfront-organic trance played to about 150-200 strong friendship crowd. We had the music flowing from every pour, driping like sweet orange scent over naked bodies. Beautifull people with one thing in mind - P.L.U.R. Thank you to JAY-O for handling the mix. If ever anyone of you is in Cape Town, you must get hold of him. He is THE BOMB! AND, CAN HE READ A CROWD!!! Well, till the next story is told (approxamately 5 weeks), there goes I. cyber7 (aka Aubrey) PS - Thanks to ACCESS for the VIRUS-b. It more than proved itself to me in a live setup, last night. ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaIn a message dated 4/8/00 2:28:26 AM, DBDroid@aol.com writes: >it seems we all have our personal prefrences to our syetems, but there are so many different company's making pc's competitivly it keeps the price lower, >money being an issue for me at the moment, am (after the learing curve) >I've heard there's a virus plugin for pro tools any know about this? If money is enough of an issue that it would swing your decision regarding Mac vs PC, why are you asking about Pro Tools? That's SIGNIFICANT money! -MarshallAubrey, >Please could Jay put a filter into the VIRUS list that filters all messages regarding "PC vs MAC". I think that EVERYTIME this message gets sent it is first of all from someone who has too much time on his hands (IE a non musician or a child!). I see, so anyone who has a passing interest in a Mac used for music is a child? Anyone who compares Mac to PC is a child? My, you need a filter on that sweeping generalization I'd say. How very insulting. Do you think anyone who compares a PC to a Mac for music is also a NON musician? WOW, something must have struck a nerve...is Macintosh a religion or a computer? Sometimes it is hard to tell. Just the facts, ma'am. I just want facts. >It takes up bandwidth and is a waste of time. Oooh, wouldn't want to clog this server with the whopping 2k of text. I'm not exactly sending 10 mb attachments of freakin dancing hamsters now am I? Really, it doesn't look good if you are complaining about 2k of text...especially if you are using a Mac. ;) >People get sucked into a conversation I have seen million times over, and everytime it is by some jerk who can't make up his mind. Ha! And comments like 'GET A MAC' are pure science? Am I a jerk now? I spose you know a whole lot bout computers? Haven't you heard of comparison shopping? Perhaps you just roll dice for every decision you make, otherwise, hey, you might feel like a jerk if you actually think, right? >Maybe this person should find out which package he wants to run and then go out and buy the machine.< WHICH ONE? Ah yes, tis the original query now isn't it? ;) Gee, you can try to synthesize things to the black and white, and hey it just doesn't seem to work so well now does it? >Another thing, please could the VIRUS-vs-XXX synth discussions also stop? I want to know about the VIRUS, not XXX synth. Maybe in a FAQ or one of the online TEKLAB lists the PC-VS-VIRUS and the VIRUS-VS-XXX questions should be asked. This reference could then be sent to everyone as part of the JOIN message. > >Thanks >cyber7 (aka Aubrey) And yes, could the whining please stop? Oh yeah, and should we only talk about the Virus B? What about the Virus A? Maybe anyone that mentions a Virus keyboard should be lynched? (Ok maybe not). If you don't like the conversation, try simply not participating...I do it when it is a topic I don't care about (on this list). It really is quite easy..I have skimmed over bickering (not even about the Virus!) and endless Virus OS 4.0 speculation and Sysex dumps of who knows what, and it is all ok with me. Is empty speculation what I joined the list for? Nyet, but hey there it is and so what? Heh...then again, gee, I did sign up for what I thought was a Virus list, and it is exactly as I anticipated, a list of musicans who talk about things related to music, with focus on something we have in common, the very cool Virus B. Is it even possible to only talk about the Virus all day long? Anyhoo, I will stop the Mac-PC talk...even tho these things are commonly hooked in with the Virus, but heym I wouldn't want to be irrelevant or anything. Now about those dancing hamsters...will they work on a PC...or a Mac? What runs it better? MuhHAHAHAHAHA ;) Had to get that in... Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonyop , agree . without compression , almost everything sound s lame .Its one of the most wicked sound manipulation and mastering tools . I would love to see something like that on the virus (for four or six channels an independent comp would kick ass) Oli Norsez Orankijanan schrieb: >See, Robert? That's what I meant when I said it's no use trying to tell other people they don't want something based on your own way of working. (In fact, you don't even know what kind of music other people, e.g. me, make.) > >You may think compressor is for only one thing, but a lot of people including me don't use it the way mix down engineers traditionally do. (My music doesn't even have vocals or live drums.) > >Personally I see it as a must minimal setup music making and live performance. I see the use of it is so endless that I dare not give only a few examples here because it would only lead you to believe that I have only a few uses of it. > >However if you are curious, you can hear my music with a lot of non-traditional compressor using at http://www.mp3.com/cyclonix (minimal setup) and http://www.mp3.com/norsez (simple sound sources saved by compressor). > >Even a synth line from DJX can sound wicked if you know how to use a compressor creatively. How could you tell me I don't need compressor? :) > >norsez > >>It's a lot harder to even out the levels of vocals >and >live drums. With >>synth lines you have control over the envelopes and velocities, so a >>compressor isn't generally needed. > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com Heh... so it IS you. I've seen your posts here a few times and wondered if you were the same Dan Burke that did the cover illustrations on some of my Max books and software boxes. There sure are some interesting people on the virus list! Brad Thompson (aka DeDMaN) www.spitzinc.com>>Graphics: Someone mentioned that he did not know why a graphics person would >>use a PC. Guess what, that's what I do for a living! ;) www.burkestudios.com > >Heh... so it IS you. I've seen your posts here a few times and wondered if you were the same Dan Burke that did the cover illustrations on some of my Max books and software boxes. There sure are some interesting people on the virus list! > >Brad Thompson (aka DeDMaN) >www.spitzinc.com Hey there Brad, Yep, that's the same Burkestudios, although you would have to credit my bro Steve with the 3D cover art and tutorial(s) in some of the books. We definitely use MAX 3.1, which I personally like a whole lot. Character Studio is pretty cool too. So you are a MAX user and a Virus user eh? Cool! ;) Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonthe mac can read pc files no problem.... and you can buy a program that allows u to run windows 98 just like anyother program.and guess what it runs great.Got to say logic or digital preformer if you are going soft seq. I use logic and although a bitch to learn (you said after the curve) it is a bad ass program! I use a G4 with logic and a digidesign AudioMedia III card. The promblems i am having involve the use of USB and my MOTU express XT And it is hell, i really crash more then i do not and no one at any compnay can tell me why....again i think it has to do a lot with the new-ism of USB. I just can not wait for OS X comment-questions-concerns...welcome chris --- DBDroid@aol.com wrote: >it seems we all have our personal prefrences to our syetems, from all the >mac championing lately it'd be nice to pick one up, but there are so many >different company's making pc's competitivly it keeps the price lower, money >being an issue for me at the moment, but no matter what system I decide on. >I need a good sequencing program, and midi device / sound card to drive my >equipment, I'm familar with cakewalk and the power of pro-tools, as well as >the roland usb / midi board. I have yet to check out cubase and logic, what's >the most cost effective, and efficent program (after the learing curve) I've >heard >there's a virus plugin for pro tools any know about this? >droid > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comIll speak for jay here, please take this conversation to the Music-bar list. Best Weld chris B wrote: >Got to say logic or digital preformer if you are going soft seq. I use logic and although a bitch to learn (you said after the curve) it is a bad ass program! >I use a G4 with logic and a digidesign AudioMedia III card. The promblems i am having involve the use of USB and my MOTU express XT And it is hell, i really crash more then i do not and no one at any compnay can tell me why....again i think it has to do a lot with the new-ism of USB. I just can not wait for OS X comment-questions-concerns...welcome >chris > >--- DBDroid@aol.com wrote: >>it seems we all have our personal prefrences to our syetems, from all the >>mac championing lately it'd be nice to pick one up, but there are so many >>different company's making pc's competitivly it keeps the price lower, money >>being an issue for me at the moment, but no matter what system I decide on. >>I need a good sequencing program, and midi device / sound card to drive my >>equipment, I'm familar with cakewalk and the power of pro-tools, as well as >>the roland usb / midi board. I have yet to check out cubase and logic, what's >>the most cost effective, and efficent program (after the learing curve) I've >>heard >>there's a virus plugin for pro tools any know about this? >>droid >> > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comhttp://www.oberheim.com/ob12.html Has anyone played with one yet? Can anyone tell me what (if any) previous Oberheim products were used in writing techno music?http://www.oberheim.com/ob12.html Has anyone played with one yet? Can anyone tell me what (if any) previous Oberheim products were used in writing techno music?I think the OB-12 not gonna be available until late this summer or this year. Other Obie machines in techno music? All of their product lines have been used I would guess. OB-1, OB-Mx, Xpander, Matrix 6,12,1000, lots! norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 02:53 PM 04/08/2000 +0200, you wrote: Please could Jay put a filter into the VIRUS list that filters all messages regarding "PC vs MAC". I think that EVERYTIME this message gets sent it is first of all from someone who has too much time on his hands (IE a non musician or a child!). Heh. If I had a dime for every time someone asked me "Could TekLab *please* filter 'blah' messages" without realizing just how unworkable this is as a solution, I'd probably be able to eat sushi a lot more. There's a better solution, Aubrey: People just need to start learning to use the music-bar for what its intended purpose is - to talk with other similiarly minded musicians, and keep off-topic threads off the main lists. The music-bar is a *very* friendly list, and you're allowed to discuss off-topic stuff there if you want - people *only* subscribe to that list for that very reason, so you'll never get flamed for asking stupid questions or going off topic. The only rules on the music-bar are "no direct flaming" (same as my other lists) and "no complaining about off-topicness"! As a result, the people on the music-bar mailing list are a *lot* friendlier, and more prone to patience. Imagine a friendly little bar, serving your favourite beverages, full of musicians. That's the music-bar. So please, if you have a music-related question, don't post it to the access-list - just join us on the music-bar! It's very friendly, and often-times very interesting as we have all calibers of musicians, from classically trained pianists, symphony directors, to teenage startup bedroom rappers, and we're all talking about music, how to make music, where to make music, what gear is the best for making music, and how to go about listening to good music. (With the occasional (and often hilarious) lessons in complex nuclear physics, magnetohydrodynamics, and why you should trash all your gear and just buy a Kyma system from Sarah Thompson, our female "Mad Doctor" audio scientist who lives in a castle in the northern parts of England... :) So in response to your request to filter, Aubrey, all you have to do (and all *anyone* has to do) whenever things start to go off-topic, is post a message like "This belongs on the music-bar, subscribe here: http://www.teklab.com/Internet.html". That's what I do, along with a team of others, on the other TekLab lists, and for the most part it keeps things on-topic and productive on each list. We just haven't been doing it enough on the access-list, that's all. To subscribe to the music-bar, visit: http://www.teklab.com/Internet.html And come join us. I guarantee you *will* learn something, and you *will* get your questions (no matter how basic) answered, in a friendly way. And who knows, you might actually be able to contribute to things yourself! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html This one belongs on the music-bar. j. Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 05:17:19 -0700 From: Dan The Burke Subject: Re: mac, pc To: access-list@teklab.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >The Mac has and has always had much better integration between software and >hardware, which for MIDI and digital audio is more important than raw speed. >If you're happy with your PC there's not much point in switching, though. Hi there, Well not to let a statement go without some kind of response before I take this 'elsewhere'... Apple has been and still is in part a proprietary system, despite its evolution into a PC in many ways (ethernet from Appletalk, IDE from Apple SCSI, standard RAM, AGP technology, PCI slots, etc.) If you were to replace the Motorola-IBM designed chip with a PIII, you would pretty much have a PC! You see, Apple makes the OS *and* the hardware. This is good for Apple, and true, good for some things like software and hardware integration, but horrible for upgradability, customization, and one major hurdle to the attempt Apple made (at the behest of Bill Gates and others) to make clones. (Do you remember the Motorola Apple clones?). Since Apple owns the OS and hardware without opening the spec to clone makers, it means they can jack up the price of everything. If you remember, Apple software was more expensive than PC software for the longest time. Also, the higher prices Apple could charge (no competition from Apple clone makers) meant that there were fewer machines, whilst PC clones were evoling like lightning due to a competitive market for end users. What happened? The PC took over despite its inferior OS...until Win 95...then suddenly this army of PC users had a GUI, though one still based on DOS, it was a GUI. There was cake and people were eating it too. So whilst the hardware\software thing can be an advantage, it is outweighed by and has been the bane of Apple and is perhaps a reason why they don't enjoy more developer\hardware support and ultimately, the majority of market share. At one time, around 1984 and a while after, Apple could do no wrong. You might wonder why such an amazing little machine that could would be ousted by simple beige boxes with DOS, well they key was and still is, modularity, compatibility, customization, price (which is driven down by competition from 'clones'). Apple's integrated hardware and software was a major stumbling block in completing Rhapsody, which was supposed to be the be-all end-all OS for Apple. I don't wish death on Apple, I think they have very good ideas (and some very bad ones). The industry needs competition from players like Apple, Linux, BeOs (started by an ex-Apple software development leader), etc. I could perhaps see Apple's tighter integration with software and hardware being good for music...and specifics on this? Does this hold true even with 3rd party DAW cards such as the Layla, Delta 1010, Yamaha 1000 whatever, Emu APS, etc? >Regardless of which you prefer, this topic has nothing to do with the Virus, >so please take the discussion to the music bar. If you will note, this was a response not to a Virus question, but is a query to those who use Macs regarding their alleged superiority over PC's for music. If it were only about the Virus, I would go to the website or play with the thing. Dan The Burke www.Burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleon j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html This belongs on the music-bar. Greatly so. j. Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Sat, 08 Apr 2000 05:22:51 -0700 From: Dan The Burke Subject: Re: Mac or PC for music? To: access-list@teklab.com X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 >I am a new mac user and had my G4 for about 3 weeks, I haven't use it for music yet, but as far as I'm concern the mac crash as much as my pc if not more. >I think if you really know what you're doing with a pc, in terms of setting-up and configuration, you will have a very stable, reliable system. >The only reason why I switched to Mac is the internal clock. I haven't done any test, but just from listening to music done on both machine it seems quite obvious that the internal clock of the mac is more precise, I would think it's propably due to the fact that the pc system is DOS and you have to run windows to use most programs, so even before you open a program you already have two system running together. I think the most important thing to look for is which program you want to use, and then buy the machine that will work the best for this program. I'm getting Logic and Pro-tools and the Mac versions seems to be more stable. >But there is a few programs that are very useful on pc such as Acid, Amen, Wave Surgeon, Soundforge, etc... >'hope this help a litlle. > >Dimitri Dimitri, That is a compelling argument, actually. Are you saying that one cannot circumvent the internal clock on a PC? Are you saying the processor itself is the culprit? If I use, let's say, a Midi timepiece for MIDI or the Delta 1010, that would not make it more stable? What about Windows 2000, which is not based on DOS, but is a pure 32 bit operating system? NT is the same but lacks support and only has DX 3 (or 5 if you know where to look!). I imagine that when Windows 2000 takes root with devlopers and has a bit more support, it should be a killer OS for music as well as just about anything else (32 bit games, SMP proggies, anything Direct X) and has full USB support, plug and play, and better security. What do you think? Windows 2000 is still cheaper than buying a whole G4 *just* for music. ;) Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleon j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html At 03:05 PM 04/08/2000 +0200, you wrote: Hello everybody. I would just like to thank everyone from the VIRUS list who supported the 'cyber7&monophobe' happening last night. Not playing live for about 6 months, we took the gear out last night and partied till the early hours this morning. Lots of stories were told, heads were filled and feet was moved by the upfront-organic trance played to about 150-200 strong friendship crowd. We had the music flowing from every pour, driping like sweet orange scent over naked bodies. Beautifull people with one thing in mind - P.L.U.R. Nice one Aubrey - did you happen to record it? Those of us in distant parts of the world would probably benefit from hearing how things went live... I know I'd like to, anyway. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >http://www.oberheim.com/ob12.html > >Has anyone played with one yet? Can anyone tell me what (if any) previous Oberheim products were used in writing techno music? Keep in mind that this is NOT an "Oberheim" machine. It's a machine from "Viscount" which licensed the use of the Oberheim name from Gibson in order to sell product. I saw the machine at NAMM, it was, ummm, unassuming considering the presumed hype. *NO ONE* was around it, it had NO sounds in it (it was said to of come *right* from Italy 2 days before), one of the US patch programmers for it would stop by while wandering the show on his own to put *something* in the way of patches in it. No one from the booth displaying the machine knew anything about it, no one seemed to care that it was there, there was no literature to pick up. The machine felt very cheap - the sliders were incredibly sloppy. Again, it wasn't making a sound, so I can't comment on that. If you look at Viscount's other products though, I don't have a lot of hope for what this may become. Mark >Got to say logic or digital preformer if you are going soft seq. I use logic and although a bitch to learn (you said after the curve) it is a bad ass program! >I use a G4 with logic and a digidesign AudioMedia III card. The promblems i am having involve the use of USB and my MOTU express XT And it is hell, i really crash more then i do not and no one at any compnay can tell me why....again i think it has to do a lot with the new-ism of USB. I just can not wait for OS X comment-questions-concerns...welcome >chris Hi there, I believe I have heard that there are problems with USB and MIDI, on any platform, but this is hearsay. I am sure there are more logical reasons why. ;) You can isolate the problem by eliminating one variable at a time. Once you lock down the timing with or without the USB device, you have your answer. For now, you might want to try exclusing the USB device and see what happens. OS X should be a big improvement over the venerable albeit, appended Mac OS. Instead of adding things like Sherlock they should add SMP, Pre-emptive multitasking, protected memory, dynamic RAM, etc., but I know they are working on it and OS X should have all of that. Dan The Burke www.burkestudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonThanks Jay, I have signed up for the music bar. Perhaps this is more what I need for some of my newbie MIDI questions and PC-Mac comparisons. ;) Dan The Burke WwW.BurkeStudios.com www.mp3.com/nukleonMoving this thread over to the Music-bar mailing list ... At 06:00 PM 04/08/2000 -0700, you wrote: I believe I have heard that there are problems with USB and MIDI, on any platform, but this is hearsay. I am sure there are more logical reasons why. ;) I have a Steinberg USB Midi interface (2x2) and it works flawlessly on both my Mac (G4/400) and PC (P3/500mhz). It has been said about USB MIDI that there is a possibility for latency issues due to USB's non-time-specific protocol (packetized), but in my experience I haven't run into this and I've had up to 12 channels of MIDI going on at once over this one interface. OS X should be a big improvement over the venerable albeit, appended Mac OS. Instead of adding things like Sherlock they should add SMP, Pre-emptive multitasking, protected memory, dynamic RAM, etc., but I know they are working on it and OS X should have all of that. No truer words could have been said... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Aubrey, That was not cool. If we look at a chart that shows number of posts to this list since you joined, you would be on the top, seems you have something to say EVERY day. And here you are telling others they are soaking up bandwidth when I see alot of (what I judge to be) just conversational blah blah blah from you, where as this current topic is a benifit to a few people here regarding their virus in the studios... not merely conversation in public forum. Why don't YOU put a filter in your mail program that filters out PC Vs Mac? What was your intent here? Answer: It was to hurt people. Your little covert (actually looked overt to me LOL) jab at some of the people on the list as being non-musicians or childish was uncalled for. There was no qualificiations to being on the list when we signed up that said we had to be musicians... some people are becoming musicians. Calling others childish and then running to "daddy" to tell the other boys to change the subject seems very hypicritical to me. We'll be sure not to talk further about things that you've already read about... just make a post that says what those things are and we'll no longer disscuss those things. Newbies to the list will have to suffer. How much of what you posted was talked about before you came to the list? Remember the JP8000 vs Virus topic? You know the one where you claimed the JP8000 could do anything the virus could do and more? Yeah, and here you are telling us not to post the XXX vs Virus. Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Aubrey Kloppers To: Access Date: Saturday, April 08, 2000 6:25 AM Subject: netiquette >Please could Jay put a filter into the VIRUS list that filters all messages regarding "PC vs MAC". I think that EVERYTIME this message gets sent it is first of all from someone who has too much time on his hands (IE a non musician or a child!). > >It takes up bandwidth and is a waste of time. People get sucked into a conversation I have seen million times over, and everytime it is by some jerk who can't make up his mind. Maybe this person should find out which package he wants to run and then go out and buy the machine. > >Another thing, please could the VIRUS-vs-XXX synth discussions also stop? I want to know about the VIRUS, not XXX synth. Maybe in a FAQ or one of the online TEKLAB lists the PC-VS-VIRUS and the VIRUS-VS-XXX questions should be asked. This reference could then be sent to everyone as part of the JOIN message. > >Thanks >cyber7 (aka Aubrey) > >----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** >http://go.to/cyber7 >(alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) >http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 >mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za >******************************************** > >Brought to you by MightyMail! >http://www.mighty.co.za > Ni ne Inch Nails / Tears for Fears - Keyboard Mag 4/90 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=304381011 Ni ne Inch Nails / Dr. John - Keyboard Mag 3/94 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=304383366Hi Cerberus, >Perhapse I should rationalise my request for an input compressor. >Latelly, I've been exploring all the things one can do with the input. The sounds that can be created are phenominal. The virus is a sonic toolbox. However, the one tool I keep wishing I had was a compressor. Actually, this wish of yours I found rather interesting. For input-processing a compresssor could be quite useful. Cheers, ThomasHi Norsez, [Norsez replies to Robert :] >Really? You don't see the the opportunity of creating a more creative brainstroming-like atmosphere as one of the many good reasons? Critical examination of ideas, is not a rejection of the people suggesting them. To build large ideas, decisions must be made how to combine and develop smaller ideas. Without critical decision, no large ideas can be developed. >In contrast, I really do not see any good in contributing dissenting subjective counter opinions to the list. Did you realize that when you suggest something which I don't agree with, you are bringing a disharmonious atmosphere onto the list by saying so? And that you should just be quiet, since the Virus is already a good synth and we don't want to be disturbed by changing anything? If this seems ridiculous to you, it's because it's the exact analogue of *your* comments! Reasoned discussion about wishes, pro and against, is not the worst thing on this list. It sure beats some of the 'well informed' platform comments. Cheers, ThomasHi Guy, >I wonder if pc users prefer American cars also....It seems like the same sort of relationship....cheap cost, cheaply made, no style, not the fastest, etc... Japanese vehicles are much better commodity cars. European cars might be correspondent to Macs... Cheers, ThomasHi Norsez, >I also feel my needs are more important than others' too, That's a fundamentally selfish viewpoint, which I do not share. My interest is to achieve the best features for everyone. >Anyway, before I start to ramble, let me repeat my point again, killing other people's wishes doesn't do any good. :-) Doesn't do any good to you... Because of your purely self-interested position. Why should we even listen to you? Cheers, ThomasAubrey, [Re Mac vs PC discussion :] >It takes up bandwidth and is a waste of time. People get sucked into a conversation I have seen million times over, and everytime it is by some jerk who can't make up his mind. Granted it is OT for the list, but Dan Burke is sensibly and honestly trying to find some real information. Is he the person you are suggesting is a jerk? That is pretty objectively incorrect. Just so you know. Cheers, ThomasSorry coz know this has been asked before, I've looked at the archives and couldn't find my answer. 1 mac, 1 master keyboard, 1 virus. 2 midi interfaces (seperate modem and printer port), any solution to not being able to record midi data without buying a midi merger? Thanks, EzThomas, Do you realize how bad you went off your tangent? Do you even know what my point was? If so, what is it? :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comhey mark I tried and it did sound great, although I was using a very cheap mic. but it works... ;] greets, marco Mark Holloway schrieb: >Has anyone used the Virus inputs with a mic for vocoding? -- Plastic Age music productions Marco Scherer Kreuzweide 14 67551 Worms phon: 06241 - 35263 mail..: ms@plastic.4mg.com home: http://members.tripod.de/plasticthat's exactly what i thought of ,this would be F**king good!!!! On Thu, 6 Apr 2000, Cranes Music wrote: > >>Random patch generator? >>some sort of modular synthesis ? >>new waveforms? >>Weld >> >> > >>How about 'morphing' one sound into another like the new Oberheim VA can? > >-Ben. > >>How about 'morphing' one sound into another like >> the new Oberheim VA can? Wow. Is it like the morphing on the AN1x? norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 3:41 PM +0000 on 09.04.2000 Ez wrote: Sorry coz know this has been asked before, I've looked at the archives and couldn't find my answer. 1 mac, 1 master keyboard, 1 virus. 2 midi interfaces (seperate modem and printer port), any solution to not being able to record midi data without buying a midi merger? Thanks, Ez That sounds like something is broken and like you need a replacement for the Midi interfaces maybe? But first check out all of this: is the Virus' Midi out connected to the Midi in of the computer? If it is check the Keyboard. Can you play the Virus through the computer? if you can, try the cable that you are using on the MIDI out of the keyboard and plug it into the midi out of the Virus. then check the Midi settings (in the CTRL Menu) if the Virus is not set to "local only". That would mean that no knob movements are transmitted. Check your software. Can you write controllers in there? Does it support controllers at all? (sorry but you didn't say which software you are using) hope to have gotten you on the right track... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Vote now: THE CARE COMPANY (http://www.carecompany.de) has been nominiated for the Online Music Awards (http://www.onlinemusicawards.de) Vote for THE CARE COMPANY as "Best unsigned Band"! Vote now! Do it! (Online Music Awards 2000, by MTV, Yahoo and United Circles) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hey, PC Virus users, I have put together a quick and dirty little program for randomizing or make variations of your patch in the single mode. This program is free and will run on Win 95/98 (2000/NT?) only. Bug reports are welcome. http://www.geocities.com/Vienna/Strasse/3731/mysoftwares.html norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comSeems you could have it morph between as many as you wanted, and set a time duration for each patch. And have an option to go with the LFO. I'd pull my Kawai out of the 'pico-rig' if this was something that could be a reality. Would make nice living pads. Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Norsez Orankijanan To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Sunday, April 09, 2000 12:51 PM Subject: re: 4.0 guesses anyone? >>>How about 'morphing' one sound into another like >> the new Oberheim VA can? > >Wow. Is it like the morphing on the AN1x? > >norsez > > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com