listen to tracks produced by glenn wilson and mike humphrey, owners of the british label "punish". Watch out for "punish2", which was only produced by a sampler and the nordlead. can you hear the power of compressors ??? mail me, if you can not find the vinyl ! but you really should listen to this tracks !!!! glenn told me, he mainly uses dbx266 compressors and a drawmer mx30 ... cheers nicoYou need a Cubase "Studio Module" for the VIRUS b...I haven't been able to find one yet. This will allow you to archive and manage your patches from your computer as well as allow you to choose bank and program numbers from within VST. If you find that this Studio Module is now available, please let me know! (I'm on MAC) -----Original Message----- From: RŽmi Tanguay [SMTP:ntk@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 10:09 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: vst/virusB Hi there, is there a way to see patchs name in vst (program change) ? like: send info in sysex to vst to recognize the patch name or something... i really dont know hehehe thats why i ask ? :) RemiOk thanks man :) So im asking to ALL the peoples on the mailing list if anyone have the "studio module" for the virus"B" (mac/pc)to let me know. Well, if it exist hehehe :) thanks all Paddy Ryan a Žcrit : >You need a Cubase "Studio Module" for the VIRUS b...I haven't been able to find one yet. > >This will allow you to archive and manage your patches from your computer as well as allow you to choose bank and program numbers from within VST. If you find that this Studio Module is now available, please let me know! (I'm on MAC) > >-----Original Message----- >From: RŽmi Tanguay [SMTP:ntk@sympatico.ca] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 10:09 PM To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: vst/virusB > >Hi there, is there a way to see patchs name in vst (program change) ? > >like: send info in sysex to vst to recognize the patch name or something... > >i really dont know hehehe thats why i ask ? :) > >Remi>glenn told me, he mainly uses dbx266 compressors and a drawmer mx30 ... I use the dbx266, which I like very much for a simple cheap compressor. Christopher. www.planetcha.comany tips for really good compressors ? about $300 ??? the dbx266 is very nice .... and cheap ;-) cheers nico www.beehive.deIn this months issue of keyboard magazine I spotted a virus. I have heard the name before somewhere but i don't really know who he is. his name is Trent reznor, one of the gods of electronic music, but that is just what i heard. maybe i should check out a cd of his but which one should i get? What's the name of his band, something like five inch nails? I sure know who Chris Vrenna is though, he used to be the drummer for five inch nails. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI got a TLaudio valve compressor and the thing rocks, however it is probably around five hundred and i don't know how easy they are to find in the states, i got mine in england. valves are good _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comAnd lets not forget list member Bilbo Bagginz aka Cosmosis. His new CD Intergalactic has a picture of him contemplating (sound creation possibilities??) next to his Virus. Great CD too, by the way, if you like Psy Trance. -Shehryar on 2/29/00 5:00 PM, bigw at bigw@onbuffalo.com wrote: >I just recently attended a filmscoring seminar by composer mark isham and he loves his and had it with him!!! >weld > >Richard Lohengrin wrote: > >>In this months issue of keyboard magazine I spotted a virus. I have heard the name before somewhere but i don't really know who he is. his name is Trent reznor, one of the gods of electronic music, but that is just what i heard. maybe i should check out a cd of his but which one should i get? What's the name of his band, something like five inch nails? I sure know who Chris Vrenna is though, he used to be the drummer for five inch nails. >> >>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > > > I just recently attended a filmscoring seminar by composer mark isham and he loves his and had it with him!!! weld Richard Lohengrin wrote: >In this months issue of keyboard magazine I spotted a virus. I have heard the name before somewhere but i don't really know who he is. his name is Trent reznor, one of the gods of electronic music, but that is just what i heard. maybe i should check out a cd of his but which one should i get? What's the name of his band, something like five inch nails? I sure know who Chris Vrenna is though, he used to be the drummer for five inch nails. > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI love psy trance - where can one find his album? Also, are there any preview tracks available? -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: virus spotted Author: Non-HP-shehryar (shehryar@sirius.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 2/29/00 4:57 PM And lets not forget list member Bilbo Bagginz aka Cosmosis. His new CD Intergalactic has a picture of him contemplating (sound creation possibilities??) next to his Virus. Great CD too, by the way, if you like Psy Trance. -Shehryar on 2/29/00 5:00 PM, bigw at bigw@onbuffalo.com wrote: >I just recently attended a filmscoring seminar by composer mark isham and he loves his and had it with him!!! >weld > >Richard Lohengrin wrote: > >>In this months issue of keyboard magazine I spotted a virus. I have heard the name before somewhere but i don't really know who he is. his name is Trent reznor, one of the gods of electronic music, but that is just what i heard. maybe i should check out a cd of his but which one should i get? What's the name of his band, something like five inch nails? I sure know who Chris Vrenna is though, he used to be the drummer for five inch nails. >> >>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > > > In this months issue of keyboard magazine I spotted a virus. I have heard the name before somewhere but i don't really know who he is. his name is Trent reznor, one of the gods of electronic music, but that is just what i heard. maybe i should check out a cd of his but which one should i get? What's the name of his band, something like five inch nails? I sure know who Chris Vrenna is though, he used to be the drummer for five inch nails. Yeah, back in the day... I saw NIN (well then it was just Trent really) open for Skinny Puppy in '87 - I think it was Trent's first tour. Trent looked like this wimpy goth-nerd from Ohio miming to a backing tape (.25" reel-to-reel in plain sight, no less!). Skinny Puppy came on and wiped NIN all over the floor. That Skinny Puppy show is still one of the best I've ever, while Trent was just pathetic. I still laugh inwardly whenever NIN is mentioned. To me they were the beginning of the end of industrial. But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. -s!mon I hear the exact same sentiment from my friends who are hard-core industrial listeners. I'm not too well versed in the genre but they feel the same way -- it frustrates them to no end that Trent somehow became the mainstream's 'icon' for industrial; they consider his work to be sub-standard (don't shoot me if you like his stuff, I'm just relating what they say 8^] ). It is ironic, more people probably know NIN as a name than Skinny Puppy. Simon Gatrall wrote: >Yeah, back in the day... I saw NIN (well then it was just Trent really) open for Skinny Puppy in '87 - I think it was Trent's first tour. Trent looked like this wimpy goth-nerd from Ohio miming to a backing tape (.25" reel-to-reel in plain sight, no less!). Skinny Puppy came on and wiped NIN all over the floor. That Skinny Puppy show is still one of the best I've ever, while Trent was just pathetic. I still laugh inwardly whenever NIN is mentioned. To me they were the beginning of the end of industrial. > >But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. > >-s!monAt 08:00 PM 02/29/2000 -0500, you wrote: I just recently attended a filmscoring seminar by composer mark isham and he loves his and had it with him!!! weld You did? Where?! I've done a fair bit of work for Mark in the past, didn't know he had a Virus these days ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >any tips for really good compressors ? about $300 ??? Someone mentioned the RNC. >the dbx266 is very nice .... and cheap ;-) My understanding is that all other compressors < US$ 1000 are crass by comparison to the RNC. Cheers, Thomas>whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the best albums ever made. what ended industrial was the limitations imposed upon the music that it needed to be considered industrial. >as soon as you push the limits of industrial you end up in another genre. although it killed a style of music it forced alot of people to create new ones amen, brother! The best artists don't merely emulate existing styles (e.g. "I am an Industro-Trance-Junglist"), but _ignore_ the concept of style and allow all ideas to be channeled. Good modern example? Autechre. -zson 2/29/2000 8:04 PM, Simon Gatrall at gatrall@slip.net wrote: >Yeah, back in the day... I saw NIN (well then it was just Trent really) open for Skinny Puppy in '87 - I think it was Trent's first tour. Trent looked like this wimpy goth-nerd from Ohio miming to a backing tape (.25" reel-to-reel in plain sight, no less!). Skinny Puppy came on and wiped NIN all over the floor. That Skinny Puppy show is still one of the best I've ever, while Trent was just pathetic. I still laugh inwardly whenever NIN is mentioned. To me they were the beginning of the end of industrial. You would happen to be talking about the Irvin Plaza show in NYC; would you? I was at that show. --JBytesSince I was the one who mentioned NIN i guess i should throw my views out also. It is a fact that trent reznor was voted as the most influential musician of the 90's in Rolling stone. This is quite a hefty title to give to someone and he deserves it. he may have made industrial go into the mainstream and some old school industrial lovers will moan all day, blah blah blah. I love old school like front 242, frontline, skinny puppy, and even kraftwerk. But i may have never got into the old bands if it wasn't for nin. He is perhaps the greatest gateway drug into the world of electronic music that the world has ever seen. He did turn industrial into pop music but he did it damn good. He worked his face off to get to where he did and showed that the one man band, which i am assuming most of us are, is possible. Even if you don't like his music just think of what he did in possibly the toughest industry in existance and he did it in the name of electronic music, which we all stand for. Ok, i am done with my speech and did i mention he uses a virus. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comDid anyone else read the NIN Keyboard article.....JESUS....what a studio they own. Bits of everything. Nords, Waldorfs, Futuretros.....ah to have the money....I mean..the kind of money where you buy a house in New Orleans, construct a LAN in it...all dedicated to making a studio If you read Future Music ( kinda substandard tech mag but a nice mag to veg to) at all you'll invariably see the Virus mentioned in pro kitlists more often than not. Indeed, there's a beautiful picture of one sitting right next to the guitarist of God Live Underwater every week in an add campaign he's a part of. Indeed, I have never seen a synth that gets this little critisism......even the folks who'v spent on the Nord Leads, Microwaves and Novas (ie, the people who would typically slam the synth to justify their choice) invariably slam everything else but give the red one much props. -----Original Message----- From: Simon Gatrall I still laugh inwardly whenever NIN is mentioned. To me >they were the beginning of the end of industrial. > whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the best albums ever made. what ended industrial was the limitations imposed upon the music that it needed to be considered industrial. as soon as you push the limits of industrial you end up in another genre. although it killed a style of music it forced alot of people to create new ones justin >But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. > >-s!mon hi all.... some people on this list were talking about compression lately and i would like to know if anyone here has experiences with bellari tube compressors... i already have the mono channel bellari tube comp but iÇm thinking of buying the stereo compressor... any suggestions would be really helpful.....either if the compressor is ok for itÇs price or if there is an adequate alternative... cheerz Mark Wagner VCP Postproduction GmbH Hausvogteiplatz 3-4 10117 Berlin >You did? Where?! I've done a fair bit of work for Mark in the past, didn't know he had a Virus these days ... I would have been surprised if he didn't own one! I only know his work for Van Morrisson ("Inarticulate Speech of the Heart") and an album with Art Lande, but judging by these two he seems like the perfect candidate for such a warm-sounding VA synth.Inserting sounds into a MULTI using the VIRUS A 2.52 & Modifying Multis? If I open a multi, go to a particular patch and use MIDI TX SingleBuf, my sequencer receives the 267 byte sysex sound OK. Now I go to another channel on the Multi and try to insert that patch from my sequencer back into that Multi. What happens with some patches is that the Single sound does not overwrite the patch/channel that has focus but sticks it into the same channel that it was copied from. Is this supposed to happen or am I being silly (usually this is the case). I have also used a Hex Editor to quickly modify the names of the patches in Multi sysex dumps. Is this OK in terms of sysex checksums etc..?.I have never been a real big fan of NIN, but do admire his (their) skills and ability to make the transition to mainstream (which mentioned in another post, opened the door for many). When he arrived with Pretty Hate Machine, Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had discovered House, and started listening to more Hip Hop. I have always been bothered that the mainstream considers Trent the God Father of Industrial. Anyone who grew up on it, knows that this just ain't the case. Anyway, to my point. NIN has developed into an EXCELLENT Production Team. While I am not always fond of their tracks, there is some incredible production value going on in the Fragle (as well as previous works spearheaded by Trent). If you are an aspiring producer and can't hear the inovative blend of style, use of dynamics, impecible sound design, interesting arrangement, and SHEAR PRODUCTION SAVVY, then you need to check your head. After finally giving a good listen (forced by friend) to a number of tracks on the Fragile, I was blown away. If as a producer, I can't get inspired by the sonic prowess of this latest offering, there is something wrong. EXCELLENT PRODUCTION is to be heard on that album. BTW: That latest BT album is another extream production achievement... Rick >whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the best albums ever made. what ended industrial was the limitations imposed upon the music that it needed to be considered industrial. >as soon as you push the limits of industrial you end up in another genre. although it killed a style of music it forced alot of people to create new ones > >justin > > >>But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. >> >>-s!mon >> NIN is for teeny boppers that still like haunted houses....production schproduction..... Gel-Sol --- Marc LaCorte wrote: >Being a long time fan of this type of music..and working with alot of these >people >of the years..NIN is first and foremost NOT INDUSTRIAL...yes at the time >when music didn't have a name >for what Nails was..they lumped them in with 242-SP-Ministry-basically the >whole Wax Trax scene.. >but anybody who listens to PHM could realize its a pop record more than >anything..He basically put so called industrial into the spotlight in its dying years.. >As far as his recent works..you may not like what he does musically but I >agree..sonically what he does >is unbelievable >M >-----Original Message----- >From: Rick Reyes >To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:24 AM >Subject: NIN was: Re: virus spotted > > >>I have never been a real big fan of NIN, but do >admire his (their) skills >>and ability to make the transition to mainstream >(which mentioned in >another >>post, opened the door for many). When he arrived >with Pretty Hate Machine, >>Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had >discovered House, and >started >>listening to more Hip Hop. I have always been >bothered that the mainstream >>considers Trent the God Father of Industrial. >Anyone who grew up on it, >>knows that this just ain't the case. >> >>Anyway, to my point. NIN has developed into an >EXCELLENT Production Team. >>While I am not always fond of their tracks, there >is some incredible >>production value going on in the Fragle (as well as >previous works >>spearheaded by Trent). If you are an aspiring >producer and can't hear the >>inovative blend of style, use of dynamics, >impecible sound design, >>interesting arrangement, and SHEAR PRODUCTION >SAVVY, then you need to check >>your head. After finally giving a good listen >(forced by friend) to a >number >>of tracks on the Fragile, I was blown away. If as a >producer, I can't get >>inspired by the sonic prowess of this latest >offering, there is something >>wrong. EXCELLENT PRODUCTION is to be heard on that >album. >> >>BTW: That latest BT album is another extream >production achievement... >> >>Rick >> >> >> >>>whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the >best albums ever made. >>>what ended industrial was the limitations imposed >upon the music that it >>>needed to be considered industrial. >>>as soon as you push the limits of industrial you >end up in another genre. >>>although it killed a style of music it forced alot >of people to create new >>>ones >>> >>>justin >>> >>> >>>>But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN >has one, then >>>>great. I'm all for the success of Access. >>>> >>>>-s!mon >>>> >>> >> >> > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comNico Grubert wrote: > >any tips for really good compressors ? about $300 ??? the dbx266 is very nice .... and cheap ;-) > the The Really Nice Compressor is GREAT!!!! I would say it is as good as the DBX 1066 ( about $450 ) I got mince for $170 from http://www.bananas.com/news_dir/signalpr/signalpr.html more info at http://www.harmony-central.com/Effects/Data/FMR_Audio/Really_Nice_Compressor_1773-01.html - djpWhen PHM came out, it DID bear more resemblence to Industrial than any other type of music. And most of the masses DO refer to NIN as Industrial. I didn't say I agree, but that's just how it is... BTW: Does anyone remember when Trent hooked up with Revolting Cocks? I remember seeing a RC show where they introduced Trent on guitar. I wonder how long that lasted:-) Rick >Being a long time fan of this type of music..and working with alot of these >people >of the years..NIN is first and foremost NOT INDUSTRIAL...yes at the time when music didn't have a name >for what Nails was..they lumped them in with 242-SP-Ministry-basically the whole Wax Trax scene.. >but anybody who listens to PHM could realize its a pop record more than anything..He basically put so called industrial into the spotlight in its dying years.. >As far as his recent works..you may not like what he does musically but I agree..sonically what he does >is unbelievable >MUnfortunately, there are more and more bands these days that use production to compensate for lack of musical knowledge. The whole techno/DJ craze is one example. IMHO dt -----Original Message----- From: Marc LaCorte [mailto:marc@diamondseries.com] Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:08 AM To: access-list@teklab.com; Rick Reyes Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted Being a long time fan of this type of music..and working with alot of these people of the years..NIN is first and foremost NOT INDUSTRIAL...yes at the time when music didn't have a name for what Nails was..they lumped them in with 242-SP-Ministry-basically the whole Wax Trax scene.. but anybody who listens to PHM could realize its a pop record more than anything..He basically put so called industrial into the spotlight in its dying years.. As far as his recent works..you may not like what he does musically but I agree..sonically what he does is unbelievable M -----Original Message----- From: Rick Reyes To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: NIN was: Re: virus spotted >I have never been a real big fan of NIN, but do admire his (their) skills and ability to make the transition to mainstream (which mentioned in another >post, opened the door for many). When he arrived with Pretty Hate Machine, Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had discovered House, and started >listening to more Hip Hop. I have always been bothered that the mainstream considers Trent the God Father of Industrial. Anyone who grew up on it, knows that this just ain't the case. > >Anyway, to my point. NIN has developed into an EXCELLENT Production Team. While I am not always fond of their tracks, there is some incredible production value going on in the Fragle (as well as previous works spearheaded by Trent). If you are an aspiring producer and can't hear the inovative blend of style, use of dynamics, impecible sound design, interesting arrangement, and SHEAR PRODUCTION SAVVY, then you need to check your head. After finally giving a good listen (forced by friend) to a number >of tracks on the Fragile, I was blown away. If as a producer, I can't get inspired by the sonic prowess of this latest offering, there is something wrong. EXCELLENT PRODUCTION is to be heard on that album. > >BTW: That latest BT album is another extream production achievement... > >Rick > > > >>whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the best albums ever made. what ended industrial was the limitations imposed upon the music that it needed to be considered industrial. >>as soon as you push the limits of industrial you end up in another genre. although it killed a style of music it forced alot of people to create new ones >> >>justin >> >> >>>But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. >>> >>>-s!mon >>> >> > At 01:15 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: Unfortunately, there are more and more bands these days that use production to compensate for lack of musical knowledge. The whole techno/DJ craze is one example. IMHO dt Umm... this is moderately inflammatory, but mostly narrow minded. So, in order to contribute a bit of my own musical knowledge to the thread (I studied arrangement and composition under my grandfather, Sir Terrence Vaughan, OBE), I would just like to point out that this issue regarding production values over 'musical knowledge' is a moot point. The fact is, they are both key parts of the same thing. The phrase 'musical knowledge' refers to a comprehension and *application* of musical technique oriented around an ideological basis (Jazz/Classical/DJ/Techno/etc), and 'production' in this context refers to the investigation and refinement of technique to achieve a desired musical effect. The latter one feeds the former, and they are symbiotic as endeavours. So, dt, you are in fact missing the point, on a grand scale. The current 'techno/DJ craze', while perhaps not savoury to your musical palate, is simply a new realm of music currently being investigated and propagated by musicians focusing on production, which will eventually (one day) result in a new body of 'musical knowledge' for elitists to pander to... In fact, this is happening to this day, as evidenced by trends in the DJ/electronic music production market, whereby one popular artists technique is usually integrated rapidly, into the whole. Thus becoming 'musical knowledge'. This has happened, time and again, with every form of music known to man, and is part of the long-cycle life of music on this planet. It happened to Mozart ("too many notes!"), it happened to Miles Davis, it happened to such illustrious synthesists as Vince Clark. And, it will continue to happen, as humans explore different audio realms, codify those experiences, and turn it into 'musical knowledge'. I humbly suggest that you have a renewed look into this aspect of musicianship, and see if perhaps it might result in further inspiration for your own works... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Jay, I completly agree with you that production is and extension of orchestration. (it took you several paragraphs to say that). And yes i also have and advenced degree in music but dont feel the need to be as pompous as you. The real point I was trying to make was about a collective responsability to make 'good music', fully undretanding that 'good' is subjective (for people like you who take things literally and/or out of context) We're all very impressed with your 'musical knowledge', disapointed with you tact. Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow up a little and if you or anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. dt -----Original Message----- From: Jay Vaughan [mailto:jay@teklab.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:39 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Cc: music-bar@teklab.com Subject: RE: NIN was: Re: virus spotted At 01:15 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Unfortunately, there are more and more bands these days that use production to >compensate for lack of musical knowledge. The whole techno/DJ craze is one example. >IMHO >dt Umm... this is moderately inflammatory, but mostly narrow minded. So, in order to contribute a bit of my own musical knowledge to the thread (I studied arrangement and composition under my grandfather, Sir Terrence Vaughan, OBE), I would just like to point out that this issue regarding production values over 'musical knowledge' is a moot point. The fact is, they are both key parts of the same thing. The phrase 'musical knowledge' refers to a comprehension and *application* of musical technique oriented around an ideological basis (Jazz/Classical/DJ/Techno/etc), and 'production' in this context refers to the investigation and refinement of technique to achieve a desired musical effect. The latter one feeds the former, and they are symbiotic as endeavours. So, dt, you are in fact missing the point, on a grand scale. The current 'techno/DJ craze', while perhaps not savoury to your musical palate, is simply a new realm of music currently being investigated and propagated by musicians focusing on production, which will eventually (one day) result in a new body of 'musical knowledge' for elitists to pander to... In fact, this is happening to this day, as evidenced by trends in the DJ/electronic music production market, whereby one popular artists technique is usually integrated rapidly, into the whole. Thus becoming 'musical knowledge'. This has happened, time and again, with every form of music known to man, and is part of the long-cycle life of music on this planet. It happened to Mozart ("too many notes!"), it happened to Miles Davis, it happened to such illustrious synthesists as Vince Clark. And, it will continue to happen, as humans explore different audio realms, codify those experiences, and turn it into 'musical knowledge'. I humbly suggest that you have a renewed look into this aspect of musicianship, and see if perhaps it might result in further inspiration for your own works... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.htmlAh, okay. I'm an idiot. Never mind what I have to say, then. ;) Just be aware, dt, that, here on the access-list, there are a *lot* of musicians currently involved in the 'techno/DJ craze' you refer to, and for whom a lack of musical knowledge is irrelevant, since they are exploring new production techniques in their work... I bow out of this conversation, hereforth... j. > >Jay, I completly agree with you that production is and extension of orchestration. (it >took you several paragraphs to say that). And yes i also have and advenced degree in music >but dont feel the need to be as pompous as you. The real point I was trying to make was about a collective responsability to make 'good music', fully undretanding that 'good' is subjective >(for people like you who take things literally and/or out of context) We're all very impressed with your 'musical knowledge', disapointed with you tact. >Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow up a little and if you or anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. > >My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. dt > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Jay Vaughan [mailto:jay@teklab.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:39 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Cc: music-bar@teklab.com >Subject: RE: NIN was: Re: virus spotted > > >At 01:15 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>Unfortunately, there are more and more bands these days that use production to >>compensate for lack of musical knowledge. The whole techno/DJ craze is one example. >>IMHO >>dt > > >Umm... this is moderately inflammatory, but mostly narrow minded. > >So, in order to contribute a bit of my own musical knowledge to the thread (I studied arrangement and composition under my grandfather, Sir Terrence Vaughan, OBE), I would just like to point out that this issue regarding production values over 'musical knowledge' is a moot point. > >The fact is, they are both key parts of the same thing. > >The phrase 'musical knowledge' refers to a comprehension and *application* of musical technique oriented around an ideological basis (Jazz/Classical/DJ/Techno/etc), and 'production' in this context refers to the investigation and refinement of technique to achieve a desired musical effect. > >The latter one feeds the former, and they are symbiotic as endeavours. > >So, dt, you are in fact missing the point, on a grand scale. > >The current 'techno/DJ craze', while perhaps not savoury to your musical palate, is simply a new realm of music currently being investigated and propagated by musicians focusing on production, which will eventually (one day) result in a new body of 'musical knowledge' for elitists to pander to... In fact, this is happening to this day, as evidenced by trends in the DJ/electronic music production market, whereby one popular artists technique is usually integrated rapidly, into the whole. Thus becoming 'musical knowledge'. > >This has happened, time and again, with every form of music known to man, and is part of the long-cycle life of music on this planet. It happened to Mozart ("too many notes!"), it happened to Miles Davis, it happened to such illustrious synthesists as Vince Clark. > >And, it will continue to happen, as humans explore different audio realms, codify those experiences, and turn it into 'musical knowledge'. > >I humbly suggest that you have a renewed look into this aspect of musicianship, and see if perhaps it might result in further inspiration for your own works... > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Awesome......fight!!!!....fight!!!! -Idiot #82 --- jay@teklab.com wrote: >Ah, okay. I'm an idiot. Never mind what I have to say, then. ;) > >Just be aware, dt, that, here on the access-list, there are a *lot* of >musicians currently involved in the 'techno/DJ craze' you refer to, and for >whom a lack of musical knowledge is irrelevant, since they are exploring new >production techniques in their work... > >I bow out of this conversation, hereforth... > >j. > > >> >>Jay, I completly agree with you that production is >and extension of >>orchestration. (it >>took you several paragraphs to say that). And yes >i also have and advenced >>degree in music >>but dont feel the need to be as pompous as you. The real point I was trying to make was about a >collective >>responsability to make 'good music', fully >undretanding that 'good' is >>subjective >>(for people like you who take things literally >and/or out of context) >>We're all very impressed with your 'musical >knowledge', disapointed with you >>tact. >>Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow >up a little and if you or >>anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take >it offline. >> >>My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put >up with idiots like this. >>dt >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Jay Vaughan [mailto:jay@teklab.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 1:39 PM >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Cc: music-bar@teklab.com >>Subject: RE: NIN was: Re: virus spotted >> >> >>At 01:15 PM 03/01/2000 -0700, you wrote: >>>Unfortunately, there are more and more bands >these days that use production >>>to >>>compensate for lack of musical knowledge. The >whole techno/DJ craze is one >>>example. >>>IMHO >>>dt >> >> >>Umm... this is moderately inflammatory, but mostly >narrow minded. >> >>So, in order to contribute a bit of my own musical >knowledge to the thread >>(I studied arrangement and composition under my >grandfather, Sir Terrence >>Vaughan, OBE), I would just like to point out that >this issue regarding >>production values over 'musical knowledge' is a >moot point. >> >>The fact is, they are both key parts of the same >thing. >> >>The phrase 'musical knowledge' refers to a >comprehension and *application* >>of musical technique oriented around an >ideological basis >>(Jazz/Classical/DJ/Techno/etc), and 'production' >in this context refers to >>the investigation and refinement of technique to >achieve a desired musical >>effect. >> >>The latter one feeds the former, and they are >symbiotic as endeavours. >> >>So, dt, you are in fact missing the point, on a >grand scale. >> >>The current 'techno/DJ craze', while perhaps not >savoury to your musical >>palate, is simply a new realm of music currently >being investigated and >>propagated by musicians focusing on production, >which will eventually (one >>day) result in a new body of 'musical knowledge' >for elitists to pander >>to... In fact, this is happening to this day, as >evidenced by trends in the >>DJ/electronic music production market, whereby one >popular artists >>technique is usually integrated rapidly, into the >whole. Thus becoming >>'musical knowledge'. >> >>This has happened, time and again, with every form >of music known to man, >>and is part of the long-cycle life of music on >this planet. It happened to >>Mozart ("too many notes!"), it happened to Miles >Davis, it happened to such >>illustrious synthesists as Vince Clark. >> >>And, it will continue to happen, as humans explore >different audio realms, >>codify those experiences, and turn it into >'musical knowledge'. >> >>I humbly suggest that you have a renewed look into >this aspect of >>musicianship, and see if perhaps it might result >in further inspiration for >>your own works... >> >>j. >> >>-- >>Jay Vaughan | >jay@teklab.com >>TekLab | >http://www.teklab.com >>{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] >IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >>[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : >http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html >> > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow up a little and if you or anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. > >My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. heh ... what a way to introduce yourself to the list first to put down a whole genre of new music, then to insult the creator/moderator of theis very list. thatz ballz zsi like Trent Reznor and respect him to the fullest.... but i can't get used to the Fragile... to me it sounds like too much of a collaboration.. i read in alternative press that he let 4 other guys throw in ideas here and there and then he picked the ones he liked.. i do like the fact that he's trying new things but i feel it's losing it's purity...pretty hate machine is very pure... it's a classic... and he did it all himself.... i just wonder if the next cd will be even more diffused.... of course i'll still buy it.... :) mike g.>>Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow up a little and if you or >>anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. >> >>My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. > wow... Among many forms of music, I love the "techno/dj" stuff (Trance specifically) I buy lots of it, and I find it inspirational. I have zero schooling in music and learn it all by ear. My purpose is to have fun, and to make my brain create new thought patterns that didn't exist before I picked up this new hobby. And I'm really enjoying making this sorta music. Maybe there are others like me but further along the path who are selling CDs in stores or getting radio play... purely doing it for fun, not anything else. Letting people's decsion to listen to it or puchase it be their own, and not claiming to be anything more than that. So if people buy it great, and if not great. Comes down to what is the goal for each of us, and I suspect it's quite different for each... no single goal better than the next as they are all very personal to each of us. In at least some cases it doesn't matter whether we are good or bad at making music, the point is that it is just simply fun. Some might say my stuff stinks, some might love it... eh no matter to me one way or the other... (Well actually I do hope it inspires someone to come up with a better piece or give them a great idea for a piece). Playing with my loving diseased box of knobs and reading what others have to say about it here is relaxing for me and part of the whole music making experience. And the part of me that wants to relax would like to ask you to chill out a bit as it appears you could be supressing others. The part of me that recognizes that you like to judge other's music and share that with others even if it does bring them down, does respect your passion to do so and I will not stiffle you, since I wouldn't want people to stiffle my ambitions either. And you think what your doing is good (as we all think that of ourselves), so I pass no judgement about that, but still, I would ask that you be more considerate of and to others, and perhaps apologize to our resident idiots. Have Fun, KintamaHi Guys, I ordered my first Mac last night, so now I need to ask... what is a good patch organizer for it? I use Sound Diver on the PC but I think the interface is designed more for sound creation than simply patch managing. I hear of Galaxy for the Macall the time (I'm a PC guy so I know nothing of the Mac and it's software base), but also seem to remember reading it's old and not supported. Basically what I want is.... To create a file (I'll call it the Toy Box) that has ALLLLLL my Virus patches that I've collected from everyone or purchased from Rob Papen. Then move them to a file that represents the 2 banks on the Virus. So I can create banks of favorites that I can dump over to it.Ê Also I'd like to do my sound designing on the Virus itself. So it has to be able to read what is on the Virus and then let me move it to the "toy box".Ê That's all I need. Shareware/Freeware would be prefered, but don't let that stop you from telling me what is best.Ê Thanks much !!!! Have Fun, Kintama hehehehe - wait, I bet he is getting duplicate mails from this day forwards... >heh ... what a way to introduce yourself to the list > >first to put down a whole genre of new music, then to insult the creator/moderator of theis very list. > >thatz ballz > >zs Being a long time fan of this type of music..and working with alot of these people of the years..NIN is first and foremost NOT INDUSTRIAL...yes at the time when music didn't have a name for what Nails was..they lumped them in with 242-SP-Ministry-basically the whole Wax Trax scene.. but anybody who listens to PHM could realize its a pop record more than anything..He basically put so called industrial into the spotlight in its dying years.. As far as his recent works..you may not like what he does musically but I agree..sonically what he does is unbelievable M -----Original Message----- From: Rick Reyes To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Wednesday, March 01, 2000 8:24 AM Subject: NIN was: Re: virus spotted >I have never been a real big fan of NIN, but do admire his (their) skills and ability to make the transition to mainstream (which mentioned in another >post, opened the door for many). When he arrived with Pretty Hate Machine, Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had discovered House, and started >listening to more Hip Hop. I have always been bothered that the mainstream considers Trent the God Father of Industrial. Anyone who grew up on it, knows that this just ain't the case. > >Anyway, to my point. NIN has developed into an EXCELLENT Production Team. While I am not always fond of their tracks, there is some incredible production value going on in the Fragle (as well as previous works spearheaded by Trent). If you are an aspiring producer and can't hear the inovative blend of style, use of dynamics, impecible sound design, interesting arrangement, and SHEAR PRODUCTION SAVVY, then you need to check your head. After finally giving a good listen (forced by friend) to a number >of tracks on the Fragile, I was blown away. If as a producer, I can't get inspired by the sonic prowess of this latest offering, there is something wrong. EXCELLENT PRODUCTION is to be heard on that album. > >BTW: That latest BT album is another extream production achievement... > >Rick > > > >>whoa whoa whoa. pretty hate machine was one of the best albums ever made. what ended industrial was the limitations imposed upon the music that it needed to be considered industrial. >>as soon as you push the limits of industrial you end up in another genre. although it killed a style of music it forced alot of people to create new ones >> >>justin >> >> >>>But hey, if more people buy Viri just because NIN has one, then great. I'm all for the success of Access. >>> >>>-s!mon >>> >> > i've also noticed this problem it send SYSX when hipage=sysx, but nothing when hipage=polypr >----- Original Message ----- >Von: Norsez Orankijanan An: access-list@teklab.com >Empfangen: 14.02.2000 00:00 >Betreff: problem with controller dump > >Hello, > >My Virus b OS 3b won't send Lo page data in poly pressure when it sends Controller Dump even when my MIDI control pageB parameter is set to poly pressure. Is there anything I can do to fix that for now? > >Thanks > >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > ___________________________________________________________ http://www.firemail.de - Ihr Briefkasten im Web. Einfach, schnell, sicher. Neu! Jetzt auch mit kostenlosem Fax-Empfang und Voicemail!Obviously so (I would think - I do sometimes) if it is not set to SYSX then you will not get SYSX... :) .a ----- Original Message ----- From: amnoti To: Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 09:28 am Subject: RE: problem with controller dump > >i've also noticed this problem >it send SYSX when hipage=sysx, but nothing when hipage=polypr > > >>----- Original Message ----- >>Von: Norsez Orankijanan An: access-list@teklab.com >>Empfangen: 14.02.2000 00:00 >>Betreff: problem with controller dump >> >>Hello, >> >>My Virus b OS 3b won't send Lo page data in poly pressure when it sends Controller Dump even when my MIDI control pageB parameter is set to poly pressure. Is there anything I can do to fix that for now? >> >>Thanks >> >>norsez >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! 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Jetzt auch mit kostenlosem Fax-Empfang und Voicemail! from the sysx documentation: -------Single Dump [message]= 10 :Single Dump bb :Bank Number 00: Single Edit buffer; 01..04: Single Bank A..D ss :Program Number 0..127 [256 single bytes] cs ;Checksum optional {F0,00,20,33,01,dd,10,bb,ss,[256 single bytes],cs,F7} Note: When bank number is set to 00, the program number is the part number that addresses one of the sixteen Single Edit buffer in Multi Mode (00..0F) or the Single buffer in Single Mode (40). -------------- you'll see from the single dump bb=00 and ss=40 change ss to the PART you want (rem 00=part1 etc) and bob's yr uncle. you'll off course also have a checksum error, but (also from the sysx doc): "A dump with a wrong checksum will be received, but an error message will appear on the display." i didn't see a error msg though (using 3.0b) cheers >----- Original Message ----- >Von: Trevor Lea >An: "'access-list@teklab.com'" Empfangen: 01.03.2000 14:55 >Betreff: Question about Multi's for MIDI boffins! > >Inserting sounds into a MULTI using the VIRUS A 2.52 & Modifying Multis? > >If I open a multi, go to a particular patch and use MIDI TX SingleBuf, my sequencer receives the 267 byte sysex sound OK. > >Now I go to another channel on the Multi and try to insert that patch from my sequencer back into that Multi. > >What happens with some patches is that the Single sound does not overwrite the patch/channel that has focus but sticks it into the same channel that it was copied from. Is this supposed to happen or am I being silly (usually this is the case). > >I have also used a Hex Editor to quickly modify the names of the patches in Multi sysex dumps. Is this OK in terms of sysex checksums etc..?. > > > ___________________________________________________________ http://www.firemail.de - Ihr Briefkasten im Web. Einfach, schnell, sicher. Neu! Jetzt auch mit kostenlosem Fax-Empfang und Voicemail!On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:16:19 -0800, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: >Audioactive has a Pro version for something like $270 which seems outrageous to me. Is the Lite version adequate? Their Pro version includes a 'very high quality' encoding (I personally think that I'll wait for the 'very very very super duper high quality encoding'). Which do you use? The Pro version seems absolutely OK to me. Some parts of my music contain tough stuff in terms of data reduction. For example: A kick bassdrum synchronized with a fat bass sound while a warm pad layer with lots of dynamic nuances is filling the mid frequencies, all put together with a sharp hihat on every quarter note. With a cheap encoder you will hear artefacts: Transients (bassdrum and hihat) loose their sharpeness; sometimes they appear to occur too late. Every hihat tick pumps the bass or pad sound down. Stereo placement looses accuracy; a sound 'floats' in placement. Very seldom I hear artefacts (or seem to hear them) using a good encoder. If I got time I might create a tough soundclip for encoder tests and link it online somewhere. BTW: MP3 is not a compression method, it's rather compression plus data reduction. Just for correctness. Don't worry. flpAubrey Kloppers wrote: Obviously so (I would think - I do sometimes) if it is not set to SYSX then you will not get SYSX... Right and but you won't get polypressure either. What's strange is that this only happens sometimes. When I complained about this earlier, I wrote CK about it. When he got back to me and said it was okay on his Virus, then mine just miraculously worked without apparent reason! Now it doesn't work again, but I don't know how to tell CK that since his works but mine doesn't. Oh well. This sucks. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi Dan. "Tarradellas, Dan N." schrieb: > >(it took you several paragraphs to say that) Sometimes u need to write a big book to negotiate one idea (i.e. the bible). >And yes i also have and advenced degree in music but dont feel the need to be as pompous as you. But u feel the need to mention it. >Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow up a little and if you or anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Dan, grow up a little and if you or anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. >My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like this. carpe diem... Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlIn case anyone's interested, I tested something like 6 different MP3 encoders including the Audioactive Lite (Pro is too expensive IMHO) - some freeware, others payware. Off the top of my head I remember testing Sound Forge, Blade, CDEx, Zapper (??? something like that) and a few others. I found the following link in which I found what I thought was the best of the bunch in terms of sound quality: "Lame 3.63". Best of all it's free (and I think legal). You might try SCMPX also. http://www.maz-sound.com/ Look under 'MP3 encoders' It doesn't have the purtiest interface but in the one troublesome file I had, it sounded the best. -Dennis ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: OT: MP3 Compressors Author: Non-HP-flp (flp@bigfoot.de) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 3/2/00 12:58 AM On Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:16:19 -0800, dennis_schissler@hp.com wrote: >Audioactive has a Pro version for something like $270 which seems outrageous to me. Is the Lite version adequate? Their Pro version includes a 'very high quality' encoding (I personally think that I'll wait for the 'very very very super duper high quality encoding'). Which do you use? The Pro version seems absolutely OK to me. Some parts of my music contain tough stuff in terms of data reduction. For example: A kick bassdrum synchronized with a fat bass sound while a warm pad layer with lots of dynamic nuances is filling the mid frequencies, all put together with a sharp hihat on every quarter note. With a cheap encoder you will hear artefacts: Transients (bassdrum and hihat) loose their sharpeness; sometimes they appear to occur too late. Every hihat tick pumps the bass or pad sound down. Stereo placement looses accuracy; a sound 'floats' in placement. Very seldom I hear artefacts (or seem to hear them) using a good encoder. If I got time I might create a tough soundclip for encoder tests and link it online somewhere. BTW: MP3 is not a compression method, it's rather compression plus data reduction. Just for correctness. Don't worry. flp dennis_schissler@hp.com writes: | In case anyone's interested, I tested something like 6 different MP3 | encoders including the Audioactive Lite (Pro is too expensive IMHO) - | some freeware, others payware. Off the top of my head I remember | testing Sound Forge, Blade, CDEx, Zapper (??? something like that) and | a few others. I found the following link in which I found what I | thought was the best of the bunch in terms of sound quality: "Lame | 3.63". Best of all it's free (and I think legal). You might try | SCMPX also. [...] I've been happiest with Mpegger, which was known as "Mpecker" when it was shareware. Lots of control over encoding options, a layer 2 encoder, drag-n-drop operation once you've set up your preferences, the usual CDDB labeling convenience, a tastefully minimal interface. I use this with my own tracks. Soundjam is just too convenient for encoding tracks from CDs. -- C J Silverio ceej@spies.com Black book: an online journal Hm, i did imagine a stereo delay to be of the kind that bounces theÊsound back and forth in , well, stereo. No chance of a L->R type delay in a future update? Or even a L->C->R?? I dont really understand the strange stereo modulation thingie on the delay as of now.. Another thing: My new virus stomps on my former jp8080 so hard it is not fun to watch at all. It is not fair at all... stay infected!! (..or something, anyways..) Jon k. I have a Virus B but would like to reload the Virus A sounds and multi's into the B without disrupting my current sounds and multi's??? I keep trying to dump into my sequencer but nothing is being recorded onto the sequencer. Also, how can I load the old sounds and choose which ones to save etc??? thanks in advance danI was disappointed to hear that most of the sound design was done by some other guy, (1 gig of sounds) for the fragile. Aside from pretty hate machine (sound design not anything special but my favorite album), broken and downward have some of the best sound designing up to that date and i am assuming trent was the designer. so why the hell did he have some other guy do it for the fragile, which i don't really dig too much. Added to the fact that it took him six years to make, i don't understand. For some people, collaboration would be a good idea even though i don't think it is too hard to do everything yourself, but for someone as talented as trent and as experienced, there should be one credit on the album, everything - trent reznor. He has a state of the art studio in his house. Why he had others work on the album I have no idea but i really don't think he should have. As his older albums state, nine inch nails is trent reznor. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comDoes anyone know where i can get a windows mpeg encoder for wav files, for free. All the free ones i have seen only encode cd tracks which is pretty useless to me. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.combecause now he's rich $$$ change a lot of things... zs Richard Lohengrin wrote: > >I was disappointed to hear that most of the sound design was done by some other guy, (1 gig of sounds) for the fragile. Aside from pretty hate machine (sound design not anything special but my favorite album), broken and downward have some of the best sound designing up to that date and i am assuming trent was the designer. so why the hell did he have some other guy do it for the fragile, which i don't really dig too much. Added to the fact that it took him six years to make, i don't understand. For some people, collaboration would be a good idea even though i don't think it is too hard to do everything yourself, but for someone as talented as trent and as experienced, there should be one credit on the album, everything - trent reznor. He has a state of the art studio in his house. Why he had others work on the album I have no idea but i really don't think he should have. As his older albums state, nine inch nails is trent reznor. > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================did you see the previous email with the link to http://www.maz-sound.com/mp3.html their favorite (lame) works on .wav files for a nice front-end to lame, http://www.uic.nnov.ru/~loea/index-en.html -zs Richard Lohengrin wrote: > >Does anyone know where i can get a windows mpeg encoder for wav files, for free. All the free ones i have seen only encode cd tracks which is pretty useless to me. > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================For those of you that want a small portable analog style sequencer and X0X drum grid interface for your Virus without bringing along a computer, check out software from miniMusic called BeatPad running on a Palm using MIDI hardware from Swivel Systems. Here's the shameless plug from my company, Swivel Systems (there are screen shots and links for the software on the site): ----------- Swivel Systems is proud to announce the SG20 - the first General MIDI synthesizer module for the Palm Computing Platform. Like a sound card for a PC, the SG20 puts the power of 128 different musical instruments and 140 drum sounds into a clip-on module that is about half the size of a Palm handheld computer. With the SG20 attached to your Palm handheld, you can create or listen to music anywhere. This is the smallest General MIDI synth available on the market, and in conjunction with the Palm Platform, it provides unprecedented portability, power, battery life, and reliability. Swivel Systems is also introducing the SMA series - the Swivel MIDI Adapters. Using the same kinds of connectors as standard serial Hotsync cables, Swivel Systems has created the SMA (Swivel MIDI Adapter) series which let everyone control their MIDI synthesizers, samplers, tone modules, drum machines, effects, etc. from the palm of their hand. What's even more exciting is that the SMA is actually three products in a series - the SMA-p3 which fits most Palm devices, the SMA-p5 for the Palm V or Vx, and the SMA-hv for the Handspring Visor. Each cable consists of a serial connector which snaps into the bottom of your Palm OS handheld, a shielded cable, and a standard MIDI 5 pin DIN connector at the other end. Please visit our web site for more information. http://www.SwivelSystems.com ----------- BTW, Jay, I'm not on the hardware sequencer list at Teklab - please forward this there if you think it is appropriate. -s!mon cool! it's a never-ending circle of pompous-asses jumping on the last guy who was calling the guy before that a pompous-ass, making them a pompous-ass. Now, does the POMP-ASSITY for each new pompous-ass increase linearly or exponentially with each new rant? Now look what you made me do! I'm one of you guys! Damn!!! And don't think I'm gonna say something like, "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and not judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" Who's next? Gel-Sol --- Guido Storek wrote: >Hi Dan. > >"Tarradellas, Dan N." schrieb: >> >>(it took you several paragraphs to say that) > >Sometimes u need to write a big book to negotiate one idea (i.e. the >bible). > >>And yes i also have and advenced degree in music but dont feel the need to be as pompous as you. > >But u feel the need to mention it. > >>Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Jay, grow >up a little and if you or >>anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take >it offline. > >Besides this is a cooperative forum. So Dan, grow up a little and if you >or >anyone else has personal hangups or flames, take it offline. > >>My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put >up with idiots like this. > >My apologies to fellow forum folks who have to put up with idiots like >this. > >carpe diem... >Guido > >-- >About me, my music and my sports: >http://Tao7.tripod.com >My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): > http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.html > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comhi, << Another thing: My new virus stomps on my former jp8080 so hard it is not fun to watch at all. It is not fair at all... >> You can't be serious...the 8080 is smooth like butta... Shawn shawnclear@aol.comHi guys, >i would like to know if anyone here has experiences with bellari tube compressors... >[RNC] I would say it is as good as the DBX 1066 ( about $450 ) The rec.audio.pro people are used to high-end gear from US$ 2000 and upwards. They rate the RNC for quality near that level. I don't think they rate DBX, Bellari, or Behringer at all. Search the archives on Remarq or DejaNews, don't ask in the group because the topic is well covered... Also search for info on general recording equipment & techniques, microphones, mixers... Cheers, Thomas>And don't think I'm gonna say something like, "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and not judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" dude, you are such a POMPUS-ASS! ;-) pompus-assly yours, zsHi Rick, >When he arrived with Pretty Hate Machine, Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had discovered House, and started listening to more Hip Hop. Interesting. My experiences were similar... Also listen to electro, funk, and 80's pop music. Cheers, Thomas>Hi Rick, > >>When he arrived with Pretty Hate Machine, Industrial was pretty much dead for me. I had discovered House, and started listening to more Hip Hop. > >Interesting. My experiences were similar... > >Also listen to electro, funk, and 80's pop music. > NIN solidified the bridge between guitar-based music (Bauhaus, Love & Rockets, the Cure) and electronic music for a lot of people in the early 90s. This is not to downplay the effects of F242, Skinny Poopie (oops!), etc... in fact I bet a factor (one of thousands) in NIN being so big is because the *record company* decided that's how it would be, again -- not downplaying anyone's talent, but a label that's willing to put some $$$ behind a band helps a lot. Anyhow, Huzzah! for innovation (regardless of what it is)... -z (perfectly content with being a small-time living room musician)you guys are missing the main reason for pretty hate machines success... trent successfully merged electronic music with human emotion... i mean how much more human can you get than 'something i can never have'? that is why he is a genius.. mike gI am sorry for mentioning that i saw that trent uses a virus. I take it back, he really doesn't own a virus. I never knew that it would turn the virus email thingy into a NIN vs Skinny Puppy forum and i sure didn't mean for it to turn into what it did, however i found most of the opinions quite interesting. On another note, No, i do not have an advanced degree in music, have no clue about music theory and can barely read a note, but i got a record deal. The key to Trance music... First grade mathematics on a base 12 number system. Really quite complicated indeed. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comAnyone got any nice vocoder patches, or tips on how to get the most out of it. I've been struggling all night trying to get some cool sounds to no avail. I've also noticed that my output is considerably lower than other patches. I'm routing a vocal in a cubase channel to an unused audio bus, which is routed to an unused strip on my digital mixer, which in turn is routed thru a set of aux sends to the Virus inputs. I was hoping to get some Underworld / Air vocal effects going on!!! Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Justin Note to the NIN / Anti-NIN factions- "Take a chill pill".you guys are missing the main reason for pretty hate machines success... trent successfully merged electronic music with human emotion... i mean how much more human can you get than 'something i can never have'? that is why he is a genius.. mike gbut trent does use a virus on 'the fragile' mikeYou are sending the mail to access-list-unsubscribe@teklab.com, right? j. At 10:41 AM 03/03/2000 +0200, you wrote: ******************************************** - Aubrey Kloppers - systems@biblesociety.co.za - Cape Town, South Africa - tel (+27-21-) 421-2040 (+2.00 GMT) - fax (+27-21-) 419-4846 ********************************************* j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html First: check out the vocoder patches in the presets... they are the latter sounds in the D bank, and they all start with VOC or something like that. There's some really cool stuff in there. I'm still trying to get a handle on the whole vocoding thing, and I find that to be a help. for instant fun, play with the knob that controls the number of bands. sick! Second: make sure that the source you are inputting to the virus is line level, not mic level. Third: if the sound is still low, use the input boost parameter to make it louder. Cam ps you can hear the vocoder patch "VOC pitch" or VOC pitch2" (I can't remember which one) on my track "Strange and Dangerous" at the site below. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Just thought that was kind of funny. cam +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Look Mr Incognito, I don't know why you try to spread your hate in here by encouraging fights. We are just a bunch of people trying to spread the love of music, and the Virus. I dont care if this nin person uses them or not. Someone once told me "if you can't say something nice... something something...." --- Guy Incognito wrote: >cool! it's a never-ending circle of pompous-asses jumping on the last guy who was calling the guy before >that a pompous-ass, making them a pompous-ass. Now, does the POMP-ASSITY for each new pompous-ass increase >linearly or exponentially with each new rant? > >Now look what you made me do! I'm one of you guys! Damn!!! > >And don't think I'm gonna say something like, "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and not judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" > >Who's next? > >Gel-Sol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI have to jump in and agree with Frie here...for two solid days or more, there has been nothing but "who has a bigger voacbulary, a better understanding of music, and the biggest dick!" I'm sure many of us don't use the Virus, or any other musical instrument for the same purposes, or same style of music; but we are ALL fellow musicians, with a common goal(at least I thought), of connecting with one another, and sharing ideas and concepts. Please, please...let this end! Sincerely, Brooks From: Frie D'Gaulle Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of respect Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:30:43 -0800 (PST) Look Mr Incognito, I don't know why you try to spread your hate in here by encouraging fights. We are just a bunch of people trying to spread the love of music, and the Virus. I dont care if this nin person uses them or not. Someone once told me "if you can't say something nice... something something...." --- Guy Incognito wrote: >cool! it's a never-ending circle of pompous-asses jumping on the last guy who was calling the guy before >that a pompous-ass, making them a pompous-ass. Now, does the POMP-ASSITY for each new pompous-ass increase >linearly or exponentially with each new rant? > >Now look what you made me do! I'm one of you guys! Damn!!! > >And don't think I'm gonna say something like, "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and not judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" > >Who's next? > >Gel-Sol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Hi Richard. Richard Lohengrin schrieb: > >Does anyone know where i can get a windows mpeg encoder for wav files, for free. All the free ones i have seen only encode cd tracks which is pretty useless to me. > U can use the new AudiGrabber software. Though it«s made to rip and encode files from CDs, there«s an option: "make MP3-file" which allows u to select wav-files, but I don«t know if the program has the codecs (don«t think so). It has a menue where u can select codecs, so if u already have some, it will work. There is a program named mp3compr09f.exe which comes with fraunhofer codecs, but 128kbps is it«s best quality. U may find it on ftp-sites. If u want to know more, send me a private e-mail with something like "Guido - " in the subject line (I recieve about 30-40 mails a day - mostly mailing-lists, so the "Guido" in the subject line helps me not to overlook it). cu... Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlAubrey Kloppers schrieb: > >******************************************** >- Aubrey Kloppers >- systems@biblesociety.co.za >- Cape Town, South Africa >- tel (+27-21-) 421-2040 (+2.00 GMT) >- fax (+27-21-) 419-4846 >********************************************* No - I can still read all your postings (with highest priority of course). ;-))) -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlI don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking that sort of question? You have no respect for the people in here, yourself, and most importantly, the lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you go buy a supernova and take it up with those people? Love, Gel-Sol --- Frie D'Gaulle wrote: >Look Mr Incognito, I don't know why you try to spread >your hate in here by encouraging fights. We are just a >bunch of people trying to spread the love of music, and the Virus. I dont care if this nin person uses them or not. Someone once told me "if you can't say something nice... something something...." > >--- Guy Incognito wrote: >>cool! it's a never-ending circle of pompous-asses jumping on the last guy who was calling the guy before >>that a pompous-ass, making them a pompous-ass. >Now, >>does the POMP-ASSITY for each new pompous-ass increase >>linearly or exponentially with each new rant? >> >>Now look what you made me do! I'm one of you >guys! >>Damn!!! >> >>And don't think I'm gonna say something like, "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and >not >>judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" >> >>Who's next? >> >>Gel-Sol > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI think Charlie Closure (I think that is how you spell it) has done sound design, programming for NIN for some time now. He definately did not just show up on this album... Rick >I was disappointed to hear that most of the sound design was done by some other guy, (1 gig of sounds) for the fragile. Aside from pretty hate machine (sound design not anything special but my favorite album), broken and downward have some of the best sound designing up to that date and i am assuming trent was the designer. so why the hell did he have some other guy do it for the fragile, which i don't really dig too much. Added to the fact that it took him six years to make, i don't understand. For some people, collaboration would be a good idea even though i don't think it is too hard to do everything yourself, but for someone as talented as trent and as experienced, there should be one credit on the album, everything - trent reznor. He has a state of the art studio in his house. Why he had others work on the album I have no idea but i really don't think he should have. As his older albums state, nine inch nails is trent reznor. Your Mom :-) rick >Who's next? > >Gel-Sol > > > for real... I have the biggest dick, both skinny puppy and nine inch ninnies suck... Get on with your lives gentlemen, and get back to Virus related posts. Adrian DEeeeeep Unda Brooklyn SoundSystem http://dub.supa.com * -----Original Message----- * From: brooks rongstad [mailto:mrbrooksy@hotmail.com] * Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 7:42 AM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: virus spotted lack of respect let this end * * * I have to jump in and agree with Frie here...for two solid * days or more, * there has been nothing but "who has a bigger voacbulary, a better * understanding of music, and the biggest dick!" I'm sure many * of us don't use * the Virus, or any other musical instrument for the same * purposes, or same * style of music; but we are ALL fellow musicians, with a * common goal(at least * I thought), of connecting with one another, and sharing ideas * and concepts. * Please, please...let this end! * Sincerely, * Brooks * * * >From: Frie D'Gaulle * >Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com * >To: access-list@teklab.com * >Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of respect * >Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 07:30:43 -0800 (PST) * > * >Look Mr Incognito, I don't know why you try to spread * >your hate in here by encouraging fights. We are just a * >bunch of people trying to spread the love of music, * >and the Virus. I dont care if this nin person uses * >them or not. Someone once told me "if you can't say * >something nice... something something...." * > * >--- Guy Incognito wrote: * > > cool! it's a never-ending circle of pompous-asses * > > jumping on the last guy who was calling the guy * > > before * > > that a pompous-ass, making them a pompous-ass. Now, * > > does the POMP-ASSITY for each new pompous-ass * > > increase * > > linearly or exponentially with each new rant? * > > * > > Now look what you made me do! I'm one of you guys! * > > Damn!!! * > > * > > And don't think I'm gonna say something like, * > > "keyboards should be fun, lets all have fun and not * > > judge and have some more fun.....fun...fun..fun!" * > > * > > Who's next? * > > * > > Gel-Sol * > * >__________________________________________________ * >Do You Yahoo!? * >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. * >http://im.yahoo.com * * ______________________________________________________ * Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com *My JP8K has the smoothest pads in my kit, though the new phaser goes along way with the pads on the Virus B. It's incredible how much better that first pad sounds with the phaser. I can't remember the name., but I think it's the opening patch. Listen to it on the new bank (with phaser), and compare it to the original that resides in bank C. It's like night and day. I think if there are any updates left for the Virus A, with memory permiting (prolly not), you guys NEED this phaser. It's VERY NICE... BTW: I must admit, while not a VA, my FS1R has some pretty smooths ass pads... Rick >hi, > ><< Another thing: My new virus stomps on my former jp8080 so hard it is not fun to watch at all. It is not fair at all... >> > >You can't be serious...the 8080 is smooth like butta... > >Shawn >shawnclear@aol.comTo those remarkable programmers at Access: Any more planned updates for the Virus A? Or is it time to bite the bullet & get a Virus B? -marc Worst post EVER! Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your level has once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary ignorance about an obscure function of the Access virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your sense of superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth and point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm sure the Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. --- Guy Incognito wrote: >I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you >came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >that sort of question? You have no respect for the people in here, yourself, and most importantly, the lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you >go buy a supernova and take it up with those people? > >Love, >Gel-Sol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI can take sass-mouth as much as the next fella, but your comments are downright hurtful and bulbous. Nor did I attempt to bring you to any "level." You brought yourself there with your lack of Arpeggiator Savvy and your negative attitude towards all that encapsulates the sheer nature of the progress of music, musical and non-musical. I suggest you take your beef up with fine, yet consumer orientated people at CASIO. "ruff! ruff!" Gel-Sol --- Frie D'Gaulle wrote: >Worst post EVER! >Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your level has >once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary >ignorance about an obscure function of the Access virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your sense of superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth and point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm sure the >Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. > >--- Guy Incognito wrote: >>I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you >>came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >>that sort of question? You have no respect for >the >>people in here, yourself, and most importantly, >the >>lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you >>go buy a supernova and take it up with those >people? >> >>Love, >>Gel-Sol > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI'm tired of deleting this ongoing crap... ...take this somewhere else... ...I subscribed to the Virus list, not this bulls**t. B -----Original Message----- From: Guy Incognito [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:20 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of respect I can take sass-mouth as much as the next fella, but your comments are downright hurtful and bulbous. Nor did I attempt to bring you to any "level." You brought yourself there with your lack of Arpeggiator Savvy and your negative attitude towards all that encapsulates the sheer nature of the progress of music, musical and non-musical. I suggest you take your beef up with fine, yet consumer orientated people at CASIO. "ruff! ruff!" Gel-Sol --- Frie D'Gaulle wrote: >Worst post EVER! >Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your level has >once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary >ignorance about an obscure function of the Access virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your sense of superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth and point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm sure the >Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. > >--- Guy Incognito wrote: >>I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you >>came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >>that sort of question? You have no respect for >the >>people in here, yourself, and most importantly, >the >>lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you >>go buy a supernova and take it up with those >people? >> >>Love, >>Gel-Sol > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comit's all in fun, bro huzzah for fun! zs ps... "sass-mouth" is now my chosen phrase for the day Bryan Rodgers wrote: > >I'm tired of deleting this ongoing crap... ...take this somewhere else... ...I subscribed to the Virus list, not this bulls**t. > >B > >-----Original Message----- >From: Guy Incognito [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:20 PM >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of respect > >I can take sass-mouth as much as the next fella, but your comments are downright hurtful and bulbous. Nor did I attempt to bring you to any "level." You brought yourself there with your lack of Arpeggiator Savvy and your negative attitude towards all that encapsulates the sheer nature of the progress of music, musical and non-musical. > >I suggest you take your beef up with fine, yet consumer orientated people at CASIO. "ruff! ruff!" > >Gel-Sol > >--- Frie D'Gaulle wrote: >>Worst post EVER! >>Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your level has >>once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary >>ignorance about an obscure function of the Access virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your sense of superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth and point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm sure the >>Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. >> >>--- Guy Incognito wrote: >>>I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you >>>came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >>>that sort of question? You have no respect for >>the >>>people in here, yourself, and most importantly, >>the >>>lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you >>>go buy a supernova and take it up with those >>people? >>> >>>Love, >>>Gel-Sol >> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >> >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================>BTW: I must admit, while not a VA, my FS1R has some pretty smooths ass pads... I think the FS1R *does* qualify as a VA (albeit with a really wacky synth engine). Like the Virus, it uses DSP chips to emulate oscillators, filters, lfos, and such. Though the whole FM and FS part of the synth is pretty different though. But still, I consider it a VA -- just not in the traditional subtractive sense. -zsC'mon its friday! If anyone is in the Wash DC/Baltimore area, I'm dj'ing at a rather large party on Saturday night. If intersted, email me and I can reply with the messages....would like to meet some fellow Virus users.....except for Frie D'Gaulle...he takes it in the rear with a ballpeen hammer and a bottle of A1 sauce.... Gel-Sol blaven! --- Zack Steinkamp wrote: >it's all in fun, bro > >huzzah for fun! > >zs > >ps... "sass-mouth" is now my chosen phrase for the day > > >Bryan Rodgers wrote: >> >>I'm tired of deleting this ongoing crap... ...take >this somewhere else... >>...I subscribed to the Virus list, not this >bulls**t. >> >>B >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Guy Incognito [mailto:gelsol@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:20 PM >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of >respect >> >>I can take sass-mouth as much as the next fella, >but >>your comments are downright hurtful and bulbous. >Nor >>did I attempt to bring you to any "level." You brought yourself there with your lack of >Arpeggiator >>Savvy and your negative attitude towards all that encapsulates the sheer nature of the progress of music, musical and non-musical. >> >>I suggest you take your beef up with fine, yet consumer orientated people at CASIO. "ruff! >ruff!" >> >>Gel-Sol >> >>--- Frie D'Gaulle wrote: >>>Worst post EVER! >>>Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your >level >>>has >>>once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary >>>ignorance about an obscure function of the >Access >>>virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your >sense of >>>superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth >and >>>point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm >sure >>>the >>>Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. >>> >>>--- Guy Incognito wrote: >>>>I don't know who you are, but I don't like >you. >>>>You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the >time >>>>you >>>>came on here asking about the transmission of >the >>>>arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >>>>that sort of question? You have no respect >for >>>the >>>>people in here, yourself, and most >importantly, >>>the >>>>lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why >don't >>>>you >>>>go buy a supernova and take it up with those >>>people? >>>> >>>>Love, >>>>Gel-Sol >>> >>> >__________________________________________________ >>>Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! >Messenger. >>>http://im.yahoo.com >>> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > >-- > ------------------------------------------------------ >Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo >408.530.5372 > ====================================================== > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>you guys are missing the main reason for pretty hate machines success... trent successfully merged electronic music with human emotion... i mean how much more human can you get than 'something i can never have'? that is why he is a genius.. hmmmm ... didn't he rhyme 'walk' with 'talk' on one of his songs? No? Oh well... zzzzzzwas that zzzzzz cuz NIN is boring? He's really nothing more than Alice Cooper, but Alice had a bunch of snakes and a guillotine... Seriously, trent is like Trix.....for kids..... Gel! --- Zack Steinkamp wrote: >>you guys are missing the main reason for pretty >hate machines success... >>trent successfully merged electronic music with >human emotion... i mean how >>much more human can you get than 'something i can >never have'? that is why >>he is a genius.. > >hmmmm ... didn't he rhyme 'walk' with 'talk' on one of his songs? No? >Oh well... > >zzzzzz > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAnybody out there? Thought I might tryÊtaking the subject a little 'off topic' and talk about the Access Virus. Is that OK? Here is my current wishlist for OS update features. 1) Parametric EQ per part with 3 parameters :- frequency, width and amplitude. 2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key( or ÊÊÊ do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) 3) An 'ON' parameter in the Assign source list. 4) A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod. I used to have a Yamaha CS60 that had a slider for ÊÊ doing this. It sounded great taking the speed from nothing to full, because it increased exponentially ÊÊ until it self-oscillated. ÊÊ Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? 5) A few new LFO shapes. I'm thinking along the lines of stepped waveforms in particular. 6)Ê A step sequencer, even if it was just 16 steps with rests or something. ÊÊÊ If anyone is at all interested, perhaps we could kick a few ideas around for a bit ? ÊÊÊ -Ben. Greetings, Jon! >, i did imagine a stereo delay to be of the kind that bounces the sound back and forth in , well, stereo. No chance of a L->R type delay in a future update? Or even a L->C->R?? I dont really understand the strange stereo modulation thingie on the delay as of now.. Another thing: My new virus stomps on my former jp8080 so hard it is not fun to watch at all. It is not fair at all... stay infected!! (..or something, anyways..) Jon k. I noticed your message on the virus list and wonder why you don't like the JP8080. I don't own a private Virus yet, but I have the JP and think they can't be adequately compared because of the different design. The JP is more like a lead synthesizer and when I used the virus, it didn't give me the leads I wanted, but the JP did. Though, the Virus gives far better resonant and cutting sounds. What's your opinion of it? I don't meet many people who use 8080 actually. Also, I would like to ask if you have the JPLib program for 8080. I couldn't find it on Roland. Would be happy to hear from you! Cheers! P.S Expecting to buy virus veery soon. What was the price of yours??? (Virus B) Farewell, Jon. The Elf /------------------------------\ | TSTARC Communications | | | | E-Mail: dumper@midi.ru | | E-Mail: dumper@chat.ru | | E-Mail: dumper@elnet.msk.ru | | E-Mail: dumper@limm.mgimo.ru | | | | ICQ: 3202048 | | ICQ: | | ICQ: | \------------------------------/ One who knows does not speak, one who speaks, does not know...I d/l'd and tried "lame" last night great (FREE) software, especially with the lameBatch front end -zs Guido Storek wrote: > >Hi Richard. > >Richard Lohengrin schrieb: >> >>Does anyone know where i can get a windows mpeg encoder for wav files, for free. All the free ones i have seen only encode cd tracks which is pretty useless to me. >> >U can use the new AudiGrabber software. Though it«s made to rip and encode files from CDs, there«s an option: "make MP3-file" which allows u to select wav-files, but I don«t know if the program has the codecs (don«t think so). It has a menue where u can select codecs, so if u already have some, it will work. >There is a program named mp3compr09f.exe which comes with fraunhofer codecs, but 128kbps is it«s best quality. U may find it on ftp-sites. > >If u want to know more, send me a private e-mail with something like "Guido - " in the subject line (I recieve about 30-40 mails a day - mostly mailing-lists, so the "Guido" in the subject line helps me not to overlook it). > >cu... >Guido > >-- >About me, my music and my sports: >http://Tao7.tripod.com >My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.html -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================I like the idea of a more adjustable ringmod setting! No...you arent the only one who wishes the ringmod could go faster. I'd like to see some random step generation LFO's ie:Nord Modular. I agree wholeheartedly with the pitch env idea...I've always had great results when experimenting with that on the JP synths. I still wish that the amp envelopes, and filter envelopes could be set to X5 or something to extend their times to ridiculously long intervals ie: Yamaha CS15, 60, 80 etc... The EQ idea is a good one, but I generally can get the desired results on my mixer. I think I remember a statement from Access or Canine sometime back that a step-sequencer was physically impossible to implement on the chassis; but it would be awesome if it was possible. Brooks From: "Cranes Music" Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: Subject: OS wishlist Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 20:21:49 -0000 Anybody out there? Thought I might try taking the subject a little 'off topic' and talk about the Access Virus. Is that OK? Here is my current wishlist for OS update features. 1) Parametric EQ per part with 3 parameters :- frequency, width and amplitude. 2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key( or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) 3) An 'ON' parameter in the Assign source list. 4) A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod. I used to have a Yamaha CS60 that had a slider for doing this. It sounded great taking the speed from nothing to full, because it increased exponentially until it self-oscillated. Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? 5) A few new LFO shapes. I'm thinking along the lines of stepped waveforms in particular. 6) A step sequencer, even if it was just 16 steps with rests or something. If anyone is at all interested, perhaps we could kick a few ideas around for a bit ? -Ben. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com I'd also love the parametric eq (yeah I know I've asked for it in the past!) How about a random patch generator like in the Waldorf gear? Very cool way to come up with starting points for new sounds... How about giving the definable knobs the ability to act as an on/off switch type midi controller (ie 0 = off 12=on) (or can you already do this? -- I've never tried) -GabeYES!!!...I keep forgetting to beg for the 'randomize' function...this has made a real impact on my sound design on the MWXT, as well as the Pulse! Brooks From: "Gabe" Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: Subject: Re: OS wishlist Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 16:12:14 -0500 I'd also love the parametric eq (yeah I know I've asked for it in the past!) How about a random patch generator like in the Waldorf gear? Very cool way to come up with starting points for new sounds... How about giving the definable knobs the ability to act as an on/off switch type midi controller (ie 0 = off 12=on) (or can you already do this? -- I've never tried) -Gabe ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com On Fri, 03 Mar 2000, Guy Incognito wrote: >was that zzzzzz cuz NIN is boring? He's really nothing more than Alice Cooper, but Alice had a bunch of snakes and a guillotine... > >Seriously, trent is like Trix.....for kids..... > >Gel! Heeeyaaa! Let me attempt to impose my own personal musical tastes upon you some more! -- Born Hater #1Does anybody else think that the VirusB distortion is just shite? Both the filter overdrive *and* the FX. I don't mean the "weird" ones like bit and rate reduction. I just mean the basic soft-hard overdrive. Maybe I'm just a big distortion guy- but I find these barely usable. They sound nothing like any of my distortion pedals. (And I've got a lot of them) And they seem to wipe out a lot of the harmonics in the sound. Any chance on improving them? -- Born Hater #1You'll never get anything close to what you can do with pedals...just use the pedals!! -----Original Message----- From: Ras-Sol [SMTP:ras-sol@usa.net] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:42 PM To: access-list@teklab.com; Cranes Music; access-list@teklab.com Subject: VirusB Distortion Weak? Does anybody else think that the VirusB distortion is just shite? Both the filter overdrive *and* the FX. I don't mean the "weird" ones like bit and rate reduction. I just mean the basic soft-hard overdrive. Maybe I'm just a big distortion guy- but I find these barely usable. They sound nothing like any of my distortion pedals. (And I've got a lot of them) And they seem to wipe out a lot of the harmonics in the sound. Any chance on improving them? -- Born Hater #1 >2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) Try this: 1. Go to - START - (program a127) 2. OSC BAL = 2 3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 5. Amp Release = 42 6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... Have fun Howardhehe, nice put down Frie! Warwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frie D'Gaulle" To: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 6:02 PM Subject: Re: NIN was: Re: virus spotted - lack of respect Worst post EVER! Your feeble attempt to bring me down to your level has once again failed. Your pitiful pokes at my temporary ignorance about an obscure function of the Access virus b is completely overshadowed by your overwhelming impudence compounded with your sense of superiority. I suggest you take your fresh mouth and point it at someone else's mailing list. I'm sure the Roland Groovebox list is about your speed. --- Guy Incognito wrote: >I don't know who you are, but I don't like you. You're abrasive and inconsiderate. Like the time you >came on here asking about the transmission of the arpeggiator notes.....who do you think you are asking >that sort of question? You have no respect for the people in here, yourself, and most importantly, the lack of transmitted arpegiator notes.....why don't you >go buy a supernova and take it up with those people? > >Love, >Gel-Sol __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comWhat is the best way to get 16 full MIDI channels per instrument, IE: 16 for my VIRUS B and 16 for my KORG? Is the PC MIDI FLYER by MOTU any good? I have a PC. Thanks Dan BurkeSteinberg has a reasonable 2 MIDI port USB interface (two independent 16 channel MIDI ports) for cheap. Anything MOTU makes is probably good...but probably more expensive. -----Original Message----- From: Dan The Burke [SMTP:Burke@NocturnalE.com] Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 6:01 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Octave Doctor What is the best way to get 16 full MIDI channels per instrument, IE: 16 for my VIRUS B and 16 for my KORG? Is the PC MIDI FLYER by MOTU any good? I have a PC. Thanks Dan Burkeno not really...i dont have anything to back that up. 8+)is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... just my opinion.. mike g ps.. thank goodness for people who are doing it for real...At 11:21 PM 03/03/2000 -0500, you wrote: is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... just my opinion.. mike g ps.. thank goodness for people who are doing it for real... (Note the cc: - moving this thread to the music-bar, where it is welcome) I've had a similar feel myself lately, for electronic music as a whole. Generally, there's a lot of saturation occurring, which means that there's just so much more of it than there used to be - this doesn't really matter, and quality-wise, sure - there are some cheesy tracks out there, but generally it's a good thing to see this electronic music market growing healthy. I'm really pursuing 'edge' type stuff myself these days, both as a listener and as a creator of electronic music. I'm quite interested in people who really *understand* synthesis, and who are using this understanding to make music that they personally love - which is why more and more of the stuff I listen to on a regular basis is coming from the web, and that's why I like to get to know other electronic musicians - folks who are not necessarily doing it just to cater to some ideal market condition, but are instead doing music for the love of it. For me, this is the most rewarding investment of consumer attention right now ... j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... just my opinion.. mike g ps.. thank goodness for people who are doing it for real...you guys are missing the main reason for pretty hate machines success... trent successfully merged electronic music with human emotion... i mean how much more human can you get than 'something i can never have'? that is why he is a genius.. mike g Jay Vaughan, it's nice to see someone with a similar opinion... good luck with your music... who do you listen to in the electronic field? mike gThank Roland, Yamaha, Korg (maybe) and all the EastWest type companies for the loss. Just be positive and move on to something new. Do you own thing. MYKE7777@aol.com wrote: >is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... just my opinion.. >mike g >ps.. thank goodness for people who are doing it for real...Hi everyone- Just joined the list. Would a comb filter be possible? I've heard the one in the Waldorf Q is supposed to be very nice. -Shapeshifter ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ VISIONARY MUSIC & MULTIMEDIA http://www.visionarymusic.com Modulate The Lifewave Evolved Cyber-Shamanic Electronica for the New Millennium 230 Blueberry Lane | Swannanoa, NC 28778 shapeshifter@visionarymusic.com In a message dated 3/3/00 10:22:27 PM, MYKE7777@aol.com writes: >is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... When everyone else is painting by numbers, that's when it's time to draw outside the lines....... Marshall>is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go >out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music >but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. >maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and can't >believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... just my opinion.. >mike g >ps.. thank goodness for people who are doing it for real... Hi there, I agree with your sentiments to a degree, but I also think that talent is no more likely to be more common whether access to instruments is easy or not. Sure, there may be a certain level of those who do not develop their talent if instruments are not as accessible, but I truly feel that those who REALLY love music and want to make it, HAVE to make music, or they go crazy...like me and I am sure, many of you as well. I also do art, I can tell you, there are many people who pick up a crack of a $$3500 3D program, toss around a couple spheres, boxes and vertices, and call it art. However, a tool does not an artist make. Instruments are just a means to an end, that is, something that is sonically pleasing, if only to a few people. Hopefully, the music we do will get acclaim from everyone who hears it, but music is also subjective, like art. Sure, there are theoretical 'standards' both in art and music, but if it communicates what you are trying to communicate, and you are able to control and guide your art\music in a way you intend or find pleasing, then I feel you are succeeding, on some measure. I think people who cannot draw a 'straight line' or cannot hold a rhythm are probably going to stumble, creatively, next to someone who mind is utterly consumed with their art and merely use a tool to express that art, whether that tool is 3D Studio MAX or an Access Virus B! ;) Dan The Burke Artist\Musician <--- tho it was relevant! ;)>>is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that they >>make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of music >>but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument and >>can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... > >When everyone else is painting by numbers, that's when it's time to draw outside the lines....... > >Marshall Ease of use only takes the drudge out of making music or art, what you DO with an instrument is more important. There is no 'make art' or 'make music' button anywhere that let's you design original creations from your head...you have to work to achieve this. Before computer graphics, everyone and their brother had access to pencil and paper, however, the same few people were the artistic masters. The same applies for music. ;) Dan The BurkeI read a message posted in a newsgroup recently by someone who boasted being awarded a record contract without knowing any music theory and never having had a proper music lesson. I certainly do not denegrate this person or their music, but many like them I consider "programmers" rather than "musicians." They can program their gear to generate some sort of output in the form of music, but have no clue about the nature of music. That isn't to say they cannot appreciate music and incorporate these ideas in their music, but they certainly have little to offer beyond the scope of their tools (software and hardware). Sit them down at a piano or drum kit, or even a simple drum machine with a live band and they will stare blankely at you, wondering where the start button is located. Music programmed in this fashion is usually short-lived and fairly irrelevant in the long run. Sould is derived from talent and music with soul (talent) last forever. Instead of further cutting others down, my take-home message is simply, there are programmers and there are musicians (some of which can program). Marshall, don't dispair. There will always be crappy techno, it can be like finding a gold vein when we discover a true artist. Perhaps we can turn this thread around and suggest artists who are excellent musicians and/or programmers worthy of our time and money. Here are a few of my suggestions: Global Communication - Pentamerous Metamorphosis [Nearly everything available through Hed Kandi's comilations is excellent. See http://www.hedkandi.com/hedkandi_record.asp ] 4 Hero - Parallel Universe (If you don't own this, what wrong with you? Just kidding, sort of.) Sylk 130 - When the Funk Hits the Fan (Funky, organic, not really techno, but it's got soul.) Meat Beat Mannifesto - just get everything...genious Orb - Duh!? Sorry for the obvious one... [Most stuff put out on LTJ Bukem's labels if you like downtempo and intelligent.] Anything Franois Kevorkian has remixed. Funkstšrung, Boards of Canada, Nightmares on Wax, Nuyorican Soul (i.e., MAW),... Freakpower - More of Everything for Everybody (While it's not true techno, you've got to admit, techno could use some of this...my favourite album of all time.) Be careful out there, Daniel Catron dtm productions Dan The Burke wrote: >>>is it me, or has techno lost its meaning... i mean anyone these days can go out, buy a computer, rebirth, and .... ahhh a cd burner and say that >they >>>make music. don't get me wrong, i'm all for pushing the boundries of >music >>>but this is hitting a nerve... i know there is nothing i can do about it.. maybe it's because i've spent so many years studying my instrument >and >>>can't believe that pushing a button and calling it music exists... >> >>When everyone else is painting by numbers, that's when it's time to draw outside the lines....... >> >>Marshall > >Ease of use only takes the drudge out of making music or art, what you DO with an instrument is more important. There is no 'make art' or 'make music' button anywhere that let's you design original creations from your head...you have to work to achieve this. Before computer graphics, everyone and their brother had access to pencil and paper, however, the same few people were the artistic masters. The same applies for music. ;) > >Dan The Burke----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Lohengrin To: Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 1:34 AM Subject: Re: 'The Fragile' is collaboration always good? >I was disappointed to hear that most of the sound design was done by some other guy, (1 gig of sounds) for the fragile. Aside from pretty hate machine >(sound design not anything special but my favorite album), broken and downward have some of the best sound designing up to that date and i am I think you are talking about Keith Hillebrandt. If i'm not wrong, these 1 gig of sounds were for downward the spiral. Trent listened to some of his desings and tell him to make the 1 gig library of sounds. After this, Keith worked with Trent in many things (remixes and of course the fragile). But Keith made only some of the sanples of the fragile. Other were made by Charlie Clouser and Trent himself. It is true that this record has a "more-collaborative" style, but nine inch nails is still 90% Trent Reznor, and i think collaborations is not a bad thing.Richard Lohengrin wrote: >I am first and foremost a programmer, i am still wondering if i am a musician or not, however i do create music. Techno that moves no where and only has sounds fade in and out is weak and I can not listen to it. Trance, german and dutch in particular, however is pure music and guess what, programmers make it. It has chord progressions, multi alternating basslines that go with the chords and leads that go with the basslines. One can be free to do whatever they want to do as it is a very open style of music that uses music theory and with out ever formally learning theory, i figured it out. And i am a programmer. All i am trying to say is that you don't have to be a pretentious "musician" to make innovative and challenging electronic music. A sequencer, sampler and virtual analog synth offers more than enough creative possibilities for a non musician to create a musical sound that has never been done before. In fact i think it is easier to do it with electronics than acoustics. To all programmers out there, we are the future and we make good mixing engineers too. To all musicians and programmers, same thing. to all straight musicians, you have a skill that is amazing but your time has gone, now is ours. Brap on. And your time will also pass when superceeded by the mind-probe musicians who just think stuff up and it comes out a speaker. But seriously, putting chord progressions, drum programming, effect structures, etc. into the form of a song is what a musician (and/or progammer) does. Simply organizing a piano-roll sequence in a pattern, punching a few buttons on the old MC-303 (or whatever), and pasting a "groove" (I _hate_ that word) into a sequencer is that I'm getting at by much of the programed music I hear all the time. Straight musicians can always learn programming and vice-versa. That's my challenge to everyone considering themselves a pure programmer. Learn some basic theory, it will be your greatest tool. I don't profess to know everything about theory and am always trying to learn as much as possible. But without some of the basics (which I guarantee you already know) it is unlikely that one will be able to create the complexity demanded by those who want thebest from any genre of music. Ciao, Dan>to all straight musicians, you have a skill that is amazing but your time has gone, now is ours. Brap on. > >This is a ridiculous statement. I think that most programmers worth their salt also know this to be untrue. Acoustic instruments will always be used, and they will always be needed. To make a sweeping statement like that is very closed-minded, and I find it offensive as a musician and programmer. The type of lyrical expressiveness one can achieve through most acoustic instruments still cannot be reproduced in an improvisatory manner on electronics. Look at a fourier transfer of someone playing a violin, and you'll see that there is a complexity to it that would be impossible to reproduce without extensive and pointless work on a synthesiser. Don't say you can do it on a sampler, because that bullshit. I think that this kind of thread is also a waste of bandwidth, and if anyone wants to argue this point with me they can e-mail me privately. > >Peaceout I disagree that this tread is a wate of bandwidth. There is a great take-home message here. Be open-minded to learning a new skill, don't simply shut out what you don't appreciate. Remember, Wendy Carlos programming her gigantic modulars back in the day. Well, she had to know her stuff to get the notes laid down. There is a symbiotic relationship the electronic musician must be aware of: musicianship and programming work together intrinsically. Ciao, DanI am first and foremost a programmer, i am still wondering if i am a musician or not, however i do create music. Techno that moves no where and only has sounds fade in and out is weak and I can not listen to it. Trance, german and dutch in particular, however is pure music and guess what, programmers make it. It has chord progressions, multi alternating basslines that go with the chords and leads that go with the basslines. One can be free to do whatever they want to do as it is a very open style of music that uses music theory and with out ever formally learning theory, i figured it out. And i am a programmer. All i am trying to say is that you don't have to be a pretentious "musician" to make innovative and challenging electronic music. A sequencer, sampler and virtual analog synth offers more than enough creative possibilities for a non musician to create a musical sound that has never been done before. In fact i think it is easier to do it with electronics than acoustics. To all programmers out there, we are the future and we make good mixing engineers too. To all musicians and programmers, same thing. to all straight musicians, you have a skill that is amazing but your time has gone, now is ours. Brap on. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI was inspired by the michael jackson thing. I read this a long time ago in roland magazine (propaganda). Even though i once heard that roland does not give gear out (liars) they gave a mc-303 to stevie wonder and he liked it. Wow. I won't say anything more, just think about it. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI've tried in vain (including all of the last suggestions from this list) to get my Access Virus B to be able to record and playback knob twirls into Digital Performer. I've tried to set the Virus midi panel to : 1.Midi only (midi loop in Performer) freaks out the Virus! 2.Int+Midi only (midi loop in Performer) freaks out the Virus! 3. Internal only (sends note out only, no controller info to the Virus. I've also tried muting just about everything in my midi timepiece panel (this did nothing either, the Virus still is looping itself) The only things that seems to work are: 1. Unplug the midi in when recording but this stops me from doing any overdubs or touchups to Virus parts. 2. Assigning a slider on my keyboard controller to the controller number and making moves one at a time, ( I have only one slider available and it is much more instinctive to make knob moves from the Virus.) Please if there are any Virus B and Perfumer users out there who are up and running, let me in on the secret!! Sincerely, LB440>A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod... Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? What exactly do you mean by the "speed" of a ring modulator?to all straight musicians, you have a skill that is amazing but your time has gone, now is ours. Brap on. This is a ridiculous statement. I think that most programmers worth their salt also know this to be untrue. Acoustic instruments will always be used, and they will always be needed. To make a sweeping statement like that is very closed-minded, and I find it offensive as a musician and programmer. The type of lyrical expressiveness one can achieve through most acoustic instruments still cannot be reproduced in an improvisatory manner on electronics. Look at a fourier transfer of someone playing a violin, and you'll see that there is a complexity to it that would be impossible to reproduce without extensive and pointless work on a synthesiser. Don't say you can do it on a sampler, because that bullshit. I think that this kind of thread is also a waste of bandwidth, and if anyone wants to argue this point with me they can e-mail me privately. Peaceout ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comWhy has it been so difficult to unsubscribe from this list? (((OpeaceM)))Not to insult your intellegence... did you try resetting the Virus? Turn it on and hold both LFO shape buttons (I think... you better check the manual, I don't have mine handy.) I've run into weird problems in the past when I thought it was software related, and turns out it was the Virus because that reset saved my butt a couple of times. Have Fun, Kintama >I've tried in vain (including all of the last suggestions from this list) to >get my Access Virus B to be able to record and playback knob twirls into Digital Performer. >I've tried to set the Virus midi panel to : 1.Midi only (midi loop in Performer) freaks out the Virus! >2.Int+Midi only (midi loop in Performer) freaks out the Virus! 3. Internal only (sends note out only, no controller info to the Virus. > >I've also tried muting just about everything in my midi timepiece panel (this >did nothing either, the Virus still is looping itself) > >The only things that seems to work are: 1. Unplug the midi in when recording but this stops me from doing any overdubs or touchups to Virus parts. >2. Assigning a slider on my keyboard controller to the controller number and >making moves one at a time, ( I have only one slider available and it is much >more instinctive to make knob moves from the Virus.) > >Please if there are any Virus B and Perfumer users out there who are up and running, let me in on the secret!! > >Sincerely, >LB440 Hello all. I have installed the Virus driver from Canine's site for Cubase VST's Studio Module. After I go into Patch Manager and upload the patches into Cubase, the patches are displayed correctly - you can select them, copy/paste them etc. My question is this: Is there a way to automatically alphabetize the patches in the Studio Module and export them back to the Virus, or do you have to do it by extensive copying & pasting in the module? Thanks.>I read a message posted in a newsgroup recently by someone who boasted being >awarded a record contract without knowing any music theory and never having had >a proper music lesson. I certainly do not denegrate this person or their music, >but many like them I consider "programmers" rather than "musicians." They can >program their gear to generate some sort of output in the form of music, but >have no clue about the nature of music. That isn't to say they cannot appreciate music and incorporate these ideas in their music, but they certainly >have little to offer beyond the scope of their tools (software and hardware). >Sit them down at a piano or drum kit, or even a simple drum machine with a live >band and they will stare blankely at you, wondering where the start button is >located. Music programmed in this fashion is usually short-lived and fairly >irrelevant in the long run. Sould is derived from talent and music with soul >(talent) last forever. > >Instead of further cutting others down, my take-home message is simply, there >are programmers and there are musicians (some of which can program). > >Marshall, don't dispair. There will always be crappy techno, it can be like >finding a gold vein when we discover a true artist. Perhaps we can turn this >thread around and suggest artists who are excellent musicians and/or programmers worthy of our time and money. Here are a few of my suggestions: Greetings, As far as music theory goes.... The end result of music is sound, not theory. Human hearing combined processed by a subjective human brain does not compute music 'theory' when listening to a piece anymore than our eyes see art theory when looking at art. I mean, the whole abstract art movement proves this, to some degree. There are people who can look at a canvas, painted blood red, and go 'WOW', the genius. Others will say, gee, that is not very difficult. Difficulty, theory, harmony, melody, is all well and good and it behooves any musician to understand it, but long before we 'theorized' the whole thing, certain people DID understand this, and this is called talent...the intuitive, inborn, if you will, understanding of WHY something is good. As a pro 3D artist, I get paid for my art talent, tho what comes out in the end is what matters. Is the image successfully bringing out what I am trying to express? Does a mean orv LOOK like a mean ORC? A lot of art, I mean, representational art, can be examined logically. It does not take a theory to realize that a human arm that is out of proportion is too long or short. Perhaps, those that cannot tell o ntheir own DO need the to study human anatomy, but a true artist can obviously see the flaws. With music, there is a technical side, and an intuitive (talent) side, in my humble opinion. The tech side may be, do I know the chords, can I produce distortion free music, can I operate a sequencer or properly sit at a piano. The talent side is, does the music in my HEAD suck or is it genius, or somewhere in between? Theory is important, talent is important. If you go thru the motions and you don't have talent, the result will reflect this...however, some may still like the final output. If one has all the talent without the training, you often get groundbreaking new stuff...so in the end, you can have talent without training, but it is not as successful the other way around. That's my opinon, I could be wrong. ;) Dan The Burke>One who knows does not speak, one who speaks, does not know...< No to pick on your sig, but that is just silly. What, is that straight out from some New Age Guru? I suppose all of humankind should be mute for millenia, afraid to be labeled as 'without knowledge'. With that 'logic' nobody here on the Virus B board knows anything, nor does any revered diety, teacher, scientist or even the gods people worship. In fact, the statement is even more utterly ridiculous in that it's very utterance is a contradiction of it's own logic, resulting in the person uttering it to insult himself and the whole of humanity. Here's a quote that makes sense: 'The wise believe what he sees and not what he thinks, the fool believes what he thinks and not what he sees.' Oh well....if you're gonna post a sig, which is a statement, I guess it is fair game eh? ;) Dan The BurkeI think what he and I mean is that the rate at which the ringmod moves. After careful re-consideration, it can be said that to control the overall 'speed' of the ringmod...tie an LFO to it from either the LFO assign menu, or the mod matrix. I have tried this, and while it can produce some of the desired effect, the LFO's don't move quite as fast I'd like. I'm shooting for the "liquidy" mess that can come from LFO's that move into the audible range. This is STILL my favorite synth! Well, this AND the Nord Modular. Brooks From: "Howard Scarr" Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: Subject: Re: OS wishlist Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2000 00:26:18 +0100 >A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod... Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? What exactly do you mean by the "speed" of a ring modulator? ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com In a message dated 3/4/00 1:09:36 PM, catron3@slip.net writes: >Marshall, don't dispair. There will always be crappy techno, That wasn't me who was dispairing, I only made the comment that if everyone is sounding the same and pushing buttons on a machine to make music, it was time to pursue a different direction. I grew up in the Progressive Rock era, with bands like ELP, Yes, (old) Genesis, King Crimson, and UK. Want to really hear a synth used as a musical instrument? Check out the original UK album with Eddie Jobson playing a Yamaha CS-80 (with that incredible polyphonic aftertouch!) and a MiniMoog. I have trouble figuring out the differences between techno, trance, acid trance, ambient, jungle, drum n bass, electronica, industrial, hardcore, etc., etc., etc., etc. To me, it is music which utilizes synthesizers, and like any music there is good and bad, and crappy.....oh, when I was growing up in the 70's, there was this cool band named Kraftwerk, you guys ever heard of them? : ) <--huge grin -Marshall I agree with you Dan, but I would add that training helps to focus and understand the talent. I'm also a professional 3D animator by day and when I was going to school, the class that ended up helping me the most in my goal to be a good 3D animator was not any of the animation or computer art courses that I took. The class that was most beneficial to me was oil painting 101. That class helped me to learn... not to paint better, but to SEE better. Now I haven't broken out the oil and canvas in years and to be truthfull, I probably wouldn't even remember how to mix the paint to get the colors that I want, but the lessions of observation that I learned in that class will be with me forever and will be helpful in any artistic persuit. I took a few music theory courses as well and the same holds true there as well. Someone with raw talent might be brilliant some of the time, but someone with focused talent will tend to be brilliant much more consistantly because he doesn't have to constantly "reinvent the wheel". On a side note, the fact that there are (at least) two professional visual artists on the Access Virus list reminds me of something a rather famous traditional animator said to me years ago. He said something like "an artist is an artist no matter what type of job they are working at for the moment. Whether you become an animator, illustrationist, performance artist, or musician is just a matter of circumstance." This has certainly held true throughout my own life and I have the stories to back it up... but this isn't the place for them. DeDMaN >Greetings, > >As far as music theory goes.... > --------snip------------ >Theory is important, talent is important. If you go thru the motions and you don't have talent, the result will reflect this...however, some may still like the final output. If one has all the talent without the training, you often get groundbreaking new stuff...so in the end, you can have talent without training, but it is not as successful the other way around. > >That's my opinon, I could be wrong. ;) > >Dan The Burke > -----Original Message----- From: Marzzz@aol.com To: access-list@teklab.com ; catron3@slip.net Date: 05 March 2000 18:18 Subject: Re: your views on techno >I have trouble figuring out the differences between techno, trance, acid trance, ambient, jungle, drum n bass, electronica, industrial, hardcore, etc., etc., etc., etc. To me, it is music which utilizes synthesizers, and like any music there is good and bad, and crappy.....oh, when I was growing up in the 70's, there was this cool band named Kraftwerk, you guys ever heard >of them? > >: ) <--huge grin > >-Marshall Marshall, ask a DJ/ s who is/ are familiar with these types to explain the differences best of all go to some different clubs that play this you'll soon start ' not to have trouble ' with telling the differences + have fun For your info, I've heard that Kraftwerk are releasing a new full lenght CD in about a week but cant confirm this maybe some other Kraftwerkian can ? jayOHave you heard their newest release yet? Cannot find it at the locals. Ciao, Dan >...oh, when I was growing >up in the 70's, there was this cool band named Kraftwerk, you guys ever heard of them? > >: ) <--huge grin > >-Marshall>I agree with you Dan, but I would add that training helps to focus and understand the talent. I'm also a professional 3D animator by day and when I was going to school, the class that ended up helping me the most in my goal to be a good 3D animator was not any of the animation or computer art courses that I took. The class that was most beneficial to me was oil painting 101. That class helped me to learn... not to paint better, but to SEE better. Now I haven't broken out the oil and canvas in years and to be truthfull, I probably wouldn't even remember how to mix the paint to get the colors that I want, but the lessions of observation that I learned in that class will be with me forever and will be helpful in any artistic persuit. I took a few music theory courses as well and the same holds true there as well. Someone with raw talent might be brilliant some of the time, but someone with focused talent will tend to be brilliant much more consistantly because he doesn't have to constantly "reinvent the wheel". On a side note, the fact that there are (at least) two professional visual artists on the Access Virus list reminds me of something a rather famous traditional animator said to me years ago. He said something like "an artist is an artist no matter what type of job they are working at for the moment. Whether you become an animator, illustrationist, performance artist, or musician is just a matter of circumstance." This has certainly held true throughout my own life and I have the stories to back it up... but this isn't the place for them. > >DeDMaN Hiya DeDMaN! Well yep, I would never tell anyone to forego training...I train a lot as far as art and music goes. Perhaps my music training is my incessant listening to new material, in addition to the small amount of formal training I have had. However, I feel my most helpful music training has been the fact that I am constantly playing...just for fun. Perhaps the strong desire to create is a function of the 'talent'? As far as art, I totally agree....the traditional route is far more important to what makes an artist than the tool one knows how to operate. I feel I have benefitted more as well from traditional classes and self-training than mere knowledge of 3D Studio MAX 3. ;) When it comes right down to it, your core art skills will shine through whatever program you employ. Same for music as well...you can add Virii and various instruments, but its the end result that counts. In any event, I guess I was defending Techno on the basis that music is subjective. We could endlessly knock any form of music for an almost infinite amount of reasons. One's man garbage is another's gold. My answer to that would be, do the music YOU love! Then at least you are fulfilled and the creation loop is satisfying. Art is the same way...I draw\paint\model what inspires me, and if others like it, that is a plus. If I like it, I keep doing it! ;) Take Care, Dan The BurkeOn Sun, 05 Mar 2000 08:49:47 CST, "brooks rongstad" wrote: >I think what he and I mean is that the rate at which the ringmod moves. After careful re-consideration, it can be said that to control the overall 'speed' of the ringmod...tie an LFO to it from either the LFO assign menu, or the mod matrix. A ring mod takes two signals and produces a new signal formed of the sum and difference of the input frequencies. I rather thought its appearance in the mod matrix was purely in terms of controlling its level - what else could it be, I wonder? Paul --- Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music email: paul@softroom.co.uk web: www.softroom.co.uk --- Latest CD "Lore" available from www.neuharm.demon.co.uki'd much rather write a timeless song instead of a phat dance beat... that is where the true talent comes in... i mean who would you pick if you could only have 5 albums to listen to for the rest of your life? would it be beautiful songs that you can sing to, or just crazy noises and loud beats? my albums would be: counting crows: august and everything after Tori amos: boys for pele beatles: rubber soul toad the wet sprocket: deluciena (or however you spell it) and beatles magical mystery tour byeNo insult taken, I've not only reset the Virus but also the midi time piece and trashed the preference files in Digital Performer, no luck! This is getting a bit frustrating, and other suggestions out there? LB440>i'd much rather write a timeless song instead of a phat dance beat... that >is where the true talent comes in... i mean who would you pick if you could >only have 5 albums to listen to for the rest of your life? would it be beautiful songs that you can sing to, or just crazy noises and loud beats? my albums would be: >counting crows: august and everything after Tori amos: boys for pele >beatles: rubber soul >toad the wet sprocket: deluciena (or however you spell it) and beatles magical mystery tour bye hehehe...this is funny. Well it's like this fer me, if I were working out, I would want some insane trance or techno. If I want to relax, perhaps classical or a song I can sing. If I am sad, definitely give me Marc Almond, Smiths or Morrissey, or Cat Stevens even. If I am angry, Metallica might sound that anger for me, but then again, so might Alanis or more frenetic trance\techno. If I feel creative, I'll whip out the Virus B babeeee! ;) I guess it all depends on your mood. There are times when even my most revered songs will not do... Dan The BurkePhew, almost fell into the crack over there ->> ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaI couldn't narrow it down to just 5 hows this for total waste of bandwidth? LOL Actually I think it's a good idea to see what others really enjoy, I'll go out and listen to some of the CDs that others recommend, and maybe by it. I think its interesting to see the overlap we all have (if any), and the influences/insperation that we all have. Music for my soul. In no particular order.... Depeche Mode: Violator, Music for the Masses Cam's music form the Virus List New Order: Substance 1987 This is Techno: Volume 8 Enigmas: (Any) Trance Psyberdelic (Compliation) Duran Duran: Decade Industrial Monk: Magnificat Natural Born Techno: (any) The Cyrstal Meathod: Vegas Danny Elfman: (almost any) A-ha: Hunting High and Low, and Scoundrel Days Expose: Exposure black Box: Mix it up C&C Music Factory 2unlimited: any Praga Khan: (CD with an insect on cover) Pet Shop Boys: any Game music to THEIF Yello: One Second Bananarama: Wow Prodigy: The Fat of the Land U2: Joshua Tree Synthetic Future: (Compilation) One World Electonica: (Compilation) Matrix Sound track (minus "Marylin Manson") Culture Club: Greatest Hits The Cover Girls: Show Me Thomas Dolby: The Gate to the Mind's Eye Soundtrack Dave Ralph: Tranceport II (compilation by DJ) Jan Hammer: Beyond Minds Eye Soundtrack Kitaro: (any) Paul Oakanfold: NewYork GlobalUnderGround (Compilation by DJ) Trance Global Nation: 2, and 3 (Compilation) Fluke: (any) Some of those older bands are corny, but there is a thing about them that hits me in the right spot, and besides I'm 33 so it's expected to have some older 80's in there ;-) Have Fun, Kintama >i'd much rather write a timeless song instead of a phat dance beat... that is where the true talent comes in... i mean who would you pick if you could >only have 5 albums to listen to for the rest of your life? would it be beautiful songs that you can sing to, or just crazy noises and loud beats? my albums would be: >counting crows: august and everything after Tori amos: boys for pele >beatles: rubber soul >toad the wet sprocket: deluciena (or however you spell it) and beatles magical mystery tour bye Well, since I'm new to this Access Virus list and most of the messages lately appear to be somewhat OT, here's my list of favorite CD's/Musicians. Beware: some of you might find my tastes very eclectic and strange: Rock/Metal: Pink Floyd (any, especially DSOTM and Wall) Iron Maiden (any) Def Leppard (any) Queensryche (any, especially those pre-96) Metallica (any pre-1996 stuff mostly, don't care much for the folk/country rock leaning of some of the songs on their last 2 albums) Led Zep (all) Hip Hop/Rap: Public Enemy (all) Ice T (all) Geto Boys Dr. Dre Snoop Doggy Dogg(earlier stuff) Cypress Hill (don't have latest 2 albums yet) Spice 1 (earlier stuff) Electronic: FSOL (only own Dead Cities at this time) Chemical Brothers (all) Underworld (most recent 2 albums) Digital Empire (2 CD electronica set: various) Volume (2 CD set that has "wasted" by Orbital on it) Logic Trance (2 CD compilation) Tempest 2000 (Atari Jaguar game soundtrack) Wipeout, Wipeout XL, Wipeout 3 soundtracks(Playstation games with popular, not so popular electronic artists) Mortal Kombat Soundtrack (various) Orbital KMFDM Anything off of Samplelibrary.net :) Prodigy (TFOTL) Expose (Exposure) Various other musicians, too many to name and remember. Have about 180ish CDs in my collection, about half of which I listen to regularly. --wasted/su700fan On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 13:06:14 Kintama wrote: >I couldn't narrow it down to just 5 hows this for total waste of bandwidth? LOL Actually I think it's a good idea to see what others really enjoy, I'll go out and listen to some of the CDs that others recommend, and maybe by it. I think its interesting to see the overlap we all have (if any), and the influences/insperation that we all have. > >Music for my soul. In no particular order.... > >Depeche Mode: Violator, Music for the Masses Cam's music form the Virus List >New Order: Substance 1987 >This is Techno: Volume 8 >Enigmas: (Any) >Trance Psyberdelic (Compliation) >Duran Duran: Decade >Industrial Monk: Magnificat >Natural Born Techno: (any) >The Cyrstal Meathod: Vegas >Danny Elfman: (almost any) >A-ha: Hunting High and Low, and Scoundrel Days Expose: Exposure >black Box: Mix it up >C&C Music Factory >2unlimited: any >Praga Khan: (CD with an insect on cover) Pet Shop Boys: any >Game music to THEIF >Yello: One Second >Bananarama: Wow >Prodigy: The Fat of the Land >U2: Joshua Tree >Synthetic Future: (Compilation) >One World Electonica: (Compilation) >Matrix Sound track (minus "Marylin Manson") Culture Club: Greatest Hits >The Cover Girls: Show Me >Thomas Dolby: The Gate to the Mind's Eye Soundtrack Dave Ralph: Tranceport II (compilation by DJ) Jan Hammer: Beyond Minds Eye Soundtrack >Kitaro: (any) >Paul Oakanfold: NewYork GlobalUnderGround (Compilation by DJ) Trance Global Nation: 2, and 3 (Compilation) Fluke: (any) > >Some of those older bands are corny, but there is a thing about them that hits me in the right spot, and besides I'm 33 so it's expected to have some older 80's in there ;-) > >Have Fun, >Kintama > > > >>i'd much rather write a timeless song instead of a phat dance beat... that is where the true talent comes in... i mean who would you pick if you >could >>only have 5 albums to listen to for the rest of your life? would it be beautiful songs that you can sing to, or just crazy noises and loud beats? my albums would be: >>counting crows: august and everything after Tori amos: boys for pele >>beatles: rubber soul >>toad the wet sprocket: deluciena (or however you spell it) and beatles magical mystery tour bye >> > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Wow... I always wanted that Tempest CD but never found it. That was great music. I too have Wipeout music copied to CD so i can listen to it in car without risk of damaging the game. But not heard the other WipeOuts that followed. Tempest... I'm Jelous. I'd settle for MP3 of that music if I could find it. I have sold my Jaguar long ago and kick myself for it... someday I'll get another hehe. Kintama >Well, since I'm new to this Access Virus list and most of the messages lately appear to be somewhat OT, here's my list of favorite CD's/Musicians. Beware: some of you might find my tastes very eclectic and strange: > >Tempest 2000 (Atari Jaguar game soundtrack) Wipeout, Wipeout XL, Wipeout 3 soundtracks(Playstation games with popular, not so popular electronic artists) my favourites: Jeff Mills-"Purpose Maker" all punish releases Global04-various artist does anybody knows which techno artist also are using the virus ???? i am talking about real techno, called schranz cheers nico>I have trouble figuring out the differences between techno, trance, acid trance, ambient, jungle, drum n bass, electronica, industrial, hardcore, etc., etc., If you listened to them, you might hear a difference ??? Cheers, Thomas>i'd much rather write a timeless song instead of a phat dance beat... that is where the true talent comes in... You're probably talking pop music, then. Though there are a dance songs/ tracks which are singularly distinctive, these tend to have a lifespan of only 3 years... >would it be beautiful songs that you can sing to, or just crazy noises and loud beats? Get the hook. Cheers, ThomasI hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. DRUMS I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require loading an os, or loading samples... I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and start laying out the grove. The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what ever sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go So there is the SYNTH, NOW i need the rythem!!!! Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i try creating anything with it. Thankyou Crhis B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comCheck out the RM1x by Yamaha. I just got mine last week, and it's pretty freaking cool. Cam +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Check out the Jomox Airbase ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris B" To: "Virus access" Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 11:57 PM Subject: [ot] step time drum machine >I hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. > >What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. >DRUMS > >I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require loading an os, or loading samples... > >I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and start laying out the grove. > >The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what ever sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go > >So there is the SYNTH, >NOW i need the rythem!!!! > >Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i try creating anything with it. > >Thankyou >Crhis B >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comWhat sequencing software do you use? Cubase has a new software drum module called LM4 that sounds REALLY nice, is a breeze to use, and is only about $140 US (or less). I comes with some wonderful kits, and also will allow you to build your own kits from your own audio files (great for FX, etc......can work as a sample player). -----Original Message----- From: chris B [SMTP:toagenius@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 3:58 PM To: Virus access Subject: [ot] step time drum machine I hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. DRUMS I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require loading an os, or loading samples... I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and start laying out the grove. The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what ever sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go So there is the SYNTH, NOW i need the rythem!!!! Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i try creating anything with it. Thankyou Crhis B __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi Guys, Someone on the list made a nice looking front end for the Virus as a patch maker... what is the link to that site? I just got a mac so now I wanna try that out. I remember really thinking that the interface looked nice on it, so I'm kinda anxious to play with it. Also I remember at one point I downloaded from some french site a series of images of each wave form on the virus. The guy who made them (as I recall reading somewhere) used some PD ocilliscope software on the mac. Does any Mac guy know what that would be? I'm assuming it's a popular program, but I could be wrong. PD or not I'd like to find a scope to monitor the audio coming in so I can see the shape of the waves I'm making. Thanks, Have Fun Kintama Looks very dope, do you have one? I assume you like yours? Anyone else have this or something like it? thnak you crhis --- Warwick wrote: >Check out the Jomox Airbase > > >>I hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. >> >>What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. >>DRUMS >> >>I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require >loading >>an os, or loading samples... >> >>I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and >start >>laying out the grove. >> >>The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what >ever >>sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go >> >>So there is the SYNTH, >>NOW i need the rythem!!!! >> >>Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i >try >>creating anything with it. >> >>Thankyou >>Crhis B > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comTempest 2000 on the Jaguar (the game and the music) was what got me into techno/electronica in the first place. I remember spending many a wee hour blasting my way through the webs. Jeff Minter sure knows how to program some trippy retro conversions of games. BTW, Tempest 3000 will be out shortly for the Nuon enhanced DVD players. Think of Nuon as a DVD player with extended movie viewing options and functionality and the games as an extra option. That is the direction VM Labs (the developers) are pushing it. Oh and Jeff Minter is also programming the VLM2 (Virtual Light Machine 2, original one built into Jag CD) for the Nuon enhanced consoles. Nuon enhanced DVD players should be out in the early spring, before the PS2 rush hits the US stores in the fall, which is being primarily marketed as a game system with DVD functionality. Can't wait to try some of my music on VLM2, to see how cool it looks. For those who don't know VLM and VLM2 are like psychedelic screen savers that respond to your music, much more so than most PC and other system based cd light shows. IMNSHO. Anyways, I digress. Kintama, if you're looking for MP3'ed or MOD versions of the Tempest 2000 soundtrack try this link, the Jagu-Dome: http://jaguar.holyoak.com/ I think the whole soundtrack is there, along with most of the music to Defender 2000, also released on the Jag, but a soundtrack was not released for that. If not, mail me privately and I'll see about sending you a copy. The only way you could get the soundtrack CD was to order from Atari directly (when they still existed that is), or to buy the Jag CD, which contained the T2k soundtrack and 2 pack in CD games. --wasted/su700fan On Sun, 5 Mar 2000 14:29:35 Kintama wrote: >Wow... I always wanted that Tempest CD but never found it. That was great music. I too have Wipeout music copied to CD so i can listen to it in car without risk of damaging the game. But not heard the other WipeOuts that followed. Tempest... I'm Jelous. I'd settle for MP3 of that music if I could find it. I have sold my Jaguar long ago and kick myself for it... someday I'll get another hehe. > >Kintama --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. 2nd it is total ass. the drum machine i use is the boss dr-660. the 770 came out a little bit ago and it has alot more power and sounds. you cant sample anything and you cant synthesize anything. it has some effects in it, like reverb and chorus and shite like that. its kinda cool for the price too justin oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance -----Original Message----- From: Cam >Check out the RM1x by Yamaha. I just got mine last week, and it's pretty freaking cool. > >Cam > > >+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|= > t-power: self evident ruth of a intuitive mind aphex twin:ambient collections 85-?/come to daddy ed rush and nookie:torque chemical bros.:Exit Planet Dust(they're only good one(opinion)) union jack: there will be no armageddon cylob:lobster trACKS thats six i knowany of my fellow list mates live in amsterdamn? i am leaving tomorrow and would enjoy meeting/seeing a fellow musicans studio. if u have any tips on a place to stay please feel free to recomend them... i'm coming from florida if you want some oranges u better reply quick.im leaving in the morningwell i have a novation drum station which has 8 outs and eight voices. works well.no problems. tweakable...no effects. a good place to start for your 808's and 909'sHi everybody, I'm looking for mac users to share specific problems about the use of the virus with macintosh versions of cubase VST. I really don't want to start a sterile debate on PC vs Mac or this kind of bullshits, so please reply directly to my e-mail adress to avoid a new fanatism crisis like we've seen recently... fred ____________________________ http://www.worldonline.fr/hello i have tested the rm1x... but tell me, is there any possibilty to change the patterns, i am talking the notes fŸr each of the 16 steps? cheers nico "ruthless?!?!" wrote: > >1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. > >2nd it is total ass. > >the drum machine i use is the boss dr-660. the 770 came out a little bit ago and it has alot more power and sounds. you cant sample anything and you cant synthesize anything. it has some effects in it, like reverb and chorus and shite like that. >its kinda cool for the price too > >justin > >oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cam > >>Check out the RM1x by Yamaha. I just got mine last week, and it's pretty freaking cool. >> >>Cam >> >> >>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|= >> Hi Luxx, I work in Amsterdam and spend most of the time there... Try to contact me! Maybe we can work something out. Greetings Martijn Bean-inc@dds.nlThanks very much Howard, that worked a treat. I also tried out your new sounds yesterday. I haven't had time to fully explore each one fet, but so far I particularly like 'Sizzler' and 'Pony' (plus a good few others, but I can't remember the names!) -Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Scarr To: Access list Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Octave Doctor > > >>2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) > >Try this: > >1. Go to - START - (program a127) >2. OSC BAL = 2 >3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 >4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 5. Amp Release = 42 >6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". > >If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, >Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 >Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. > >Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... > >Have fun >Howard > > Thanks a lot Howard, that worked a treat. I also tried out your hs88 soundset yesterday. Some great sounds! I particularly like 'Sizzler' and 'Pony' (plus a good few others, but I can't remember the names!) Thanks again -Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Scarr To: Access list Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:02 PM Subject: Octave Doctor > > >>2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) > >Try this: > >1. Go to - START - (program a127) >2. OSC BAL = 2 >3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 >4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 5. Amp Release = 42 >6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". > >If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, >Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 >Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. > >Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... > >Have fun >Howard > > ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Scarr To: Sent: Saturday, March 04, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: Re: OS wishlist >>A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod... Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? > >What exactly do you mean by the "speed" of a ring modulator? > Obviously,I have misunderstood the function of the Virus Ringmod, but as I stated in 'OS wishlist', there is a ringmodulator section on the Yamaha CS60/50 that has a number of controllers, including 'depth' and 'speed'. The speed controller has the effect of exponentially increasing the rate of the effect, until it self-oscillates. There is also a very basic envelope, with attack and decay, but the effect of these is somewhat harder to ascertain. Unfortunately, I never had a manual for this synth, so I really have no idea exactly what the function of the ringmod was in technical terms, I just know that it sounded a lot more powerful than the one on the Virus. -Ben.Hi! Christoph, 1) Yes, by an'ON' parameter in the Assign source list, I do mean that by this you could then apply a constant value to the destination. I know that normally you would want to adjust the destination 'at source', but there have been occasions when I could have done with this function. 2) As far as the ringmod is concerned, I seem to have misunderstood the function of the Virus ringmod. The ringmodulator on the Yamaha CS60 and family had a speed controller, but I guess it was a different effect entirely on that synth. 3) I would like some stepped waveforms, e.g. 3-step, 4-step etc, maybe up to 16 step. I have these on my Kurzweil K2000, and they are particularly useful for pitch modulation, creating arpeggiator-like effects if used in that way, but you could also apply them to any number of destinations to achieve some great clock-syncable rhythmic effects. -Ben. - ---- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: OS wishlist >In einer eMail vom 03.03.00 21:33:34 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> >>Here is my current wishlist for OS update features. > >No comments, but questions :-) > >> >>3) An 'ON' parameter in the Assign source list. > >What do you mean? A constant value? > >> >>4) A way of controlling the speed of the Ringmod. I used to have a Yamaha >>CS60 that had a slider for >>doing this. It sounded great taking the speed from nothing to full, because it increased exponentially >>until it self-oscillated. >>Am I the only person who wishes the ringmod could go faster? > >Since the Ringmodulator is a signal multiplicator, there is no speed. Maybe >you are talking about the sine oscillator frequency. You can do this on the >Virus as well! > >> >>5) A few new LFO shapes. I'm thinking along the lines of stepped >waveforms >>in particular. > >The Virus has got 68 LFO shapes, including random waveforms. What do you need? > > >-Christoph Off the top of my head heres where you can find drum grid sequencers: Hardware: Yamaha RM1X Roland MC303, MC505 Quasimidi QM309 Korg Electribe ER1 Jomox XBase Software: Steinberg Rebirth Cubase (I think) Virtual 909 (Shareware) Fruity LoopsI use a mac and a virus, what are you issues? (((OpeaceM))) frederic.harster@worldonline.fr wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I'm looking for mac users to share specific problems about the use of the virus with macintosh versions of cubase VST. I really don't want to start a sterile debate on PC vs Mac or this kind of bullshits, so please reply directly to my e-mail adress to avoid a new fanatism crisis like we've seen recently... > >fred > >____________________________ >http://www.worldonline.fr/I use a mac, Cubase and a virus, what are you issues? (((OpeaceM))) frederic.harster@worldonline.fr wrote: >Hi everybody, > >I'm looking for mac users to share specific problems about the use of the virus with macintosh versions of cubase VST. I really don't want to start a sterile debate on PC vs Mac or this kind of bullshits, so please reply directly to my e-mail adress to avoid a new fanatism crisis like we've seen recently... > >fred > >____________________________ >http://www.worldonline.fr/People dis the MC303 all the time, but I have one and I think it's an excellent tool if used correctly. Sure it has limited midi, but as a 8 track sequencer and sound source that you can find for the price of a TR707, it's totally great. Even if you just bought it to use as a drum machine, you'd get 12 different kits. But not only that, you could use the other 7 tracks (not just the rhythm track) to create some crazy filtered beats. MC303 ain't no 101/202/303/808/909, but it'll do so much more for so much less($). Peace. B -----Original Message----- From: John E. Potter [mailto:jpotter2@tampabay.rr.com] Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 7:56 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine Off the top of my head heres where you can find drum grid sequencers: Hardware: Yamaha RM1X Roland MC303, MC505 Quasimidi QM309 Korg Electribe ER1 Jomox XBase Software: Steinberg Rebirth Cubase (I think) Virtual 909 (Shareware) Fruity LoopsHi Chris, I dont have one...yet! But is certainly looks v. good. Warwick ----- Original Message ----- From: "chris B" To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 2:17 AM Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine >Looks very dope, do you have one? >I assume you like yours? >Anyone else have this or something like it? thnak you >crhis > >--- Warwick wrote: >>Check out the Jomox Airbase >> > >> >>>I hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. >>> >>>What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. >>>DRUMS >>> >>>I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require >>loading >>>an os, or loading samples... >>> >>>I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and >>start >>>laying out the grove. >>> >>>The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what >>ever >>>sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go >>> >>>So there is the SYNTH, >>>NOW i need the rythem!!!! >>> >>>Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i >>try >>>creating anything with it. >>> >>>Thankyou >>>Crhis B > >> >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHoward, I'd LOOOOVE to see tutorial on how you got the Timpotro and CyberPop. :-) They are just so not a Virus. Yes we could look at the values to get an idea how it was made but that doesn't answer the questions like... why was it set this way? ... What gives it the "multi" sorta sound? Can this technique be applied to any patch to give it that rythmic pad like feel? and understanding of what makes it so unique. I know it would be a ton of work, but I thought I'd ask anyway :-) It could be that you make a tutorial on a more basic patch to 'get the feel or idea behind the technique.' Maybe Access could put it in the manual as a tuturial... (and print a manual that has all the pages in it and not in various text files... ok that was charged I admit. :-) ) Thanks, Kintama kintama@jps.net -----Original Message----- From: Cranes Music To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:38 AM Subject: Re: Octave Doctor >Thanks very much Howard, that worked a treat. > >I also tried out your new sounds yesterday. I haven't had time to fully explore each one >fet, but so far I particularly like 'Sizzler' and 'Pony' (plus a good few others, but I can't remember the names!) > >-Ben. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Howard Scarr >To: Access list Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:02 PM >Subject: Octave Doctor > > >> >> >>>2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) >> >>Try this: >> >>1. Go to - START - (program a127) >>2. OSC BAL = 2 >>3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 >>4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 5. Amp Release = 42 >>6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". >> >>If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, >>Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 >>Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. >> >>Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... >> >>Have fun >>Howard >> >> >> You can also try and use any XG synth from Yamaha. They are PACKED with drumsounds and Drumkits. I have a MU100r and it is piece of piss (Excuse the phun) to program. It does not cost you an arm and a leg, takes up 1U in a 19" Rack and DOES NOT USE ANY PROCESSING from your PC/MAC/ATARI... For a cheap processor (with 6or7 DSP chips in and a huge FX block) it is realy very easy to use in a sequencer... just my 10c cyber7 ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zacheck out www.drummachine.com they have the best drum site going, with message boards and samples to download etc. Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: John E. Potter To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine >Off the top of my head heres where you can find drum grid sequencers: > >Hardware: >Yamaha RM1X >Roland MC303, MC505 >Quasimidi QM309 >Korg Electribe ER1 >Jomox XBase > >Software: >Steinberg Rebirth >Cubase (I think) >Virtual 909 (Shareware) >Fruity Loops > hello guys, i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus with the microwave and the emu sampler. i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? any suggestions ? cheers nicoIn a message dated 3/6/00 12:31:48 PM Central Standard Time, nico@beehive.de writes: >i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus >with the microwave and the emu sampler. i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? any suggestions ? > The Microwave 1 is more of a "collectors" item now than anything. :) mikeI have a Microwave XT.....its pretty dope, but i use it more for Sound fx.....it compliments the Virus quite well.... Gel-Sol --- FibrOptic7@aol.com wrote: >In a message dated 3/6/00 12:31:48 PM Central Standard Time, nico@beehive.de >writes: > >>i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment >and to combine my virus >>with the microwave and the emu sampler. i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or >microwave 2 ???? >>any suggestions ? >> > >The Microwave 1 is more of a "collectors" item now than anything. > >:) > >mike > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comexcuse me! Get a Microwave xt! Nico Grubert wrote: >hello guys, > >i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus with the microwave and the emu sampler. >i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? any suggestions ? > >cheers >nicoOn Sun, 05 Mar 2000, ruthless?!?! wrote: > >1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. True- but the only internal sounds that are any good (IMO) are the drums. So in effect- it *is* a drum machine. (With a very overkill sequencer) >2nd it is total ass. Why do you say that? Do you own one? >oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance No argument there- -- Born Hater #1Ya- what the other guy said- Jomox Airbase. On Sun, 05 Mar 2000, chris B wrote: >I hate to get off topic, but i thought you guys can help. > >What i am looking for is a piece of gear that i would use for one thing. >DRUMS > >I would love to have a machine to go to that does not require loading an os, or loading samples... > >I just go to it when i want to create the drums in a track, and start laying out the grove. > >The virus, I love it. When i need a synth sound there it is, what ever sound i want i can make it. Options are open....Turn it on and go > >So there is the SYNTH, >NOW i need the rythem!!!! > >Any help would be great I have an MPC 2000, but i loss it when i try creating anything with it. > >Thankyou >Crhis B >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- Born Hater #1Sorry, but when you call something "total ass", is that a good thing or a bad thing? I mean, saying that something "kicks ass" is good, but calling someone an "ass" is bad so I'm a bit confused here. Forgive me, I'm in my 30's now and am no longer a hip cool cat in vibe wit da' lingo of the younger generation ;) By the way, I've heard tons o' good stuff about the RM1X but when I bought one myself, I returned it a week later. The synth sounds generally sucked in my opinion and the sequencer, while raved by others, just didn't suit my needs. I bought a Notron instead since I was more interested in new ways to develop synth lines as opposed to complete tracks (I do the complete tracks in software). -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine Author: Non-HP-ras-sol (ras-sol@usa.net) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 3/6/00 11:22 AM On Sun, 05 Mar 2000, ruthless?!?! wrote: > >1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. True- but the only internal sounds that are any good (IMO) are the drums. So in effect- it *is* a drum machine. (With a very overkill sequencer) >2nd it is total ass. Why do you say that? Do you own one? >oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance No argument there- -- Born Hater #1Yes. There are 60 preset styles (sort of like songs) and 50 user styles. Each user style has 16 sections, each with 16 tracks. I am sequencing an entire song on it right now. Cam At 10:17 AM 3/6/00 +0100, you wrote: >hello > >i have tested the rm1x... >but tell me, is there any possibilty to change the patterns, i am talking the notes fŸr each of the 16 steps? > >cheers >nico > >"ruthless?!?!" wrote: >> >>1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. >> >>2nd it is total ass. >> >>the drum machine i use is the boss dr-660. the 770 came out a little bit ago >>and it has alot more power and sounds. you cant sample anything and you cant synthesize anything. it has some effects in it, like reverb and chorus and shite like that. >>its kinda cool for the price too >> >>justin >> >>oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cam >> >>>Check out the RM1x by Yamaha. I just got mine last week, and it's pretty freaking cool. >>> >>>Cam >>> >>> >>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to >>>=:-|= >>> >>> > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=Hmm, I don't know how extensively you used the RM1X, but its one of the best hw seq.'s I've ever used. The sounds also come alive with a little bit of editing and outboard. Peaceout ------Original Message------ From: dennis_schissler@hp.com Sent: March 6, 2000 7:37:28 PM GMT Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine Sorry, but when you call something "total ass", is that a good thing or a bad thing? I mean, saying that something "kicks ass" is good, but calling someone an "ass" is bad so I'm a bit confused here. Forgive me, I'm in my 30's now and am no longer a hip cool cat in vibe wit da' lingo of the younger generation ;) By the way, I've heard tons o' good stuff about the RM1X but when I bought one myself, I returned it a week later. The synth sounds generally sucked in my opinion and the sequencer, while raved by others, just didn't suit my needs. I bought a Notron instead since I was more interested in new ways to develop synth lines as opposed to complete tracks (I do the complete tracks in software). -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: [ot] step time drum machine Author: Non-HP-ras-sol (ras-sol@usa.net) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 3/6/00 11:22 AM On Sun, 05 Mar 2000, ruthless?!?! wrote: > >1st of all the rm1x isnt a drum machine. True- but the only internal sounds that are any good (IMO) are the drums. So in effect- it *is* a drum machine. (With a very overkill sequencer) >2nd it is total ass. Why do you say that? Do you own one? >oh yeah, the korg electribe r is cool for live performance No argument there- -- Born Hater #1 ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comI know rochester ny is not amsterdam but i was wondering, though a faint faint possibility if anyone lives in Rochester. No, i thought not. How about this one, NYC. I am moving there in June and might need a tag team partner to perform live with. There has to be someone in NYC and if they are on this list that means they own a virus and if they own a virus, we automatically have a certain understanding of things. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI got my virus a week ago. Due to the effect it has had on me, i am dropping out of college and ceasing contact with all outside personal except fellow virus users. Thank you germany for showing me the meaning of life. Hamburg, here i come. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI was working on a track yesterday, the main super low bass line coming from my Studio Electronics ATC-1 using the Oberheim SEM filter... I had the sequencer running as I programmed a patch on the virus (going for a sound that fit in well with the analogue ATC-1)... all of a sudden I noticed something... the patch I had programmed on virus was indistinguishable from the patch I had running on the ATC-1. So, now my virus is playing the part and I am using the ATC-1 for something else. Anyway, the point is, with the 3.0 OS, the virus really is capable of a rich analogue sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the sound created by a real analogue synthesizer. Ain't technology wonderful?Hi Nico, Still love my Microwave classic. The new one (Microwave XT) is also cool, but the old one has a bit more bite. But some sounds the old Microwave can not do. Great synths..no doubt.. Rob Papen Ps. visit my www.robpapen.com and type aboutme2.htm You can see my two Microwaves and MicrowaveProgrammer of Access. -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Nico Grubert Aan: access-list@teklab.com Datum: maandag 6 maart 2000 19:29 Onderwerp: virus vs. microwave |hello guys, | |i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus |with the microwave and the emu sampler. |i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? |any suggestions ? | | |cheers |nico |In a message dated 3/6/00 2:20:21 PM Central Standard Time, gfg202@is8.nyu.edu writes: >I was working on a track yesterday, the main super low bass line coming >from my Studio Electronics ATC-1 using the Oberheim SEM filter... I had the sequencer running as I programmed a patch on the virus (going for a sound that fit in well with the analogue ATC-1)... all of a sudden I noticed something... the patch I had programmed on virus was indistinguishable from the patch I had running on the ATC-1. So, now my virus is playing the part and I am using the ATC-1 for something else. Anyway, the point is, with the 3.0 OS, the virus really is capable of a rich analogue sound that is virtually indistinguishable from the sound created by a real analogue synthesizer. Ain't technology wonderful? > I, too, have a ATC-1 with the four filters. This Virus running the V3.0 update is a Virus B, correct? thanks>I, too, have a ATC-1 with the four filters. > >This Virus running the V3.0 update is a Virus B, correct? Yup, V3.0 on the virus b... I previously had the virus a, and the sound on the virus a, while still amazing, is not quite as close/identical to the sound of the real analogue machine... >I really have no idea exactly what the function of the ringmod was in technical terms, I just know that it sounded a lot more powerful than the one on the Virus. "Powerful" is also an attribute that doesn't really apply to ring modulators *as such*. The only modulatable (is that a word - it is now!) parameter is the output level. Any other "power" depends on what signals you put into the two inputs, so I wouldn't consider the Virus "weak" in this respect. You're sure to find some info in the Internet if you're interested in the technicalities.>I would like some stepped waveforms, e.g. 3-step, 4-step etc, maybe up to 16 step. I have these on my Kurzweil K2000, and they are particularly useful for pitch modulation... I've already asked for this one - nice to know someone agrees. However, it's very unlikely that this will be implemented in the Virus a... BTW I'd be quite happy with just a "final" bug-fix of the LFO3-triangle-problem.>>I really have no idea exactly what the function of the ringmod was in technical terms, I just know that it sounded a lot more powerful than the one on the Virus. from your description of the modulations available on the 'more powerful' ringmod, it sounds like it was attached to an LFO. try setting up RingMod as a destination in the mod matrix, controlled by one of the Virus' LFOs (+63). Play with the LFO and see if that helps. You may also want to turn down the OSC VOL to only let the ringmod signal thru, since they are combined in the mixer section of the Virus. -zsWas the noise issue with the MWI ever fixed? bigw wrote: >2 completely different synths, that complement each other quite well. im with rob on the mw1 though. >Weld > >Rob Papen wrote: > >>Hi Nico, >> >>Still love my Microwave classic. >>The new one (Microwave XT) is also cool, but the old one has a bit more bite. But some sounds the old Microwave can not do. Great synths..no doubt.. >> >>Rob Papen >> >>Ps. visit my www.robpapen.com and type aboutme2.htm >>You can see my two Microwaves and MicrowaveProgrammer of Access. >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: Nico Grubert >>Aan: access-list@teklab.com Datum: maandag 6 maart 2000 19:29 >>Onderwerp: virus vs. microwave >> >>|hello guys, >>| >>|i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus |with the microwave and the emu sampler. |i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? |any suggestions ? >>| >>| >>|cheers >>|nico >>|2 completely different synths, that complement each other quite well. im with rob on the mw1 though. Weld Rob Papen wrote: >Hi Nico, > >Still love my Microwave classic. >The new one (Microwave XT) is also cool, but the old one has a bit more bite. But some sounds the old Microwave can not do. Great synths..no doubt.. > >Rob Papen > >Ps. visit my www.robpapen.com and type >aboutme2.htm >You can see my two Microwaves and MicrowaveProgrammer of Access. > >-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >Van: Nico Grubert >Aan: access-list@teklab.com Datum: maandag 6 maart 2000 19:29 >Onderwerp: virus vs. microwave > >|hello guys, >| >|i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus |with the microwave and the emu sampler. |i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? |any suggestions ? >| >| >|cheers >|nico >|mines fine, just use a gate as well weld anaya wrote: >Was the noise issue with the MWI ever fixed? > >bigw wrote: > >>2 completely different synths, that complement each other quite well. im with rob on the mw1 though. >>Weld >> >>Rob Papen wrote: >> >>>Hi Nico, >>> >>>Still love my Microwave classic. >>>The new one (Microwave XT) is also cool, but the old one has a bit more bite. But some sounds the old Microwave can not do. Great synths..no doubt.. >>> >>>Rob Papen >>> >>>Ps. visit my www.robpapen.com and type aboutme2.htm >>>You can see my two Microwaves and MicrowaveProgrammer of Access. >>> >>>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>>Van: Nico Grubert >>>Aan: access-list@teklab.com Datum: maandag 6 maart 2000 19:29 >>>Onderwerp: virus vs. microwave >>> >>>|hello guys, >>>| >>>|i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus |with the microwave and the emu sampler. |i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? |any suggestions ? >>>| >>>| >>>|cheers >>>|nico >>>|Hi List, It sounds to me like the ring mod you're talking about has an oscillator hardwired to one ofthe inputs, and that that oscillator has a dedicated wide-ranging lfo. Much like the Moogerfooger pedals. If that's the case, you should easily be able to do that on the Virus. Just bring up the RinMod level, bring down the Osc Vol, set Osc 1 to Sinus, Osc 2 to whatever you like, and set up LFO 1 to modulate the pitch of Osc 1. If you are just assigning an LFO to RingMod, it should just modulate the volume of the RingMod output. Mathias >from your description of the modulations available on the 'more powerful' ringmod, it sounds like it was attached to an LFO. > >try setting up RingMod as a destination in the mod matrix, controlled by one of the Virus' LFOs (+63). Play with the LFO and see if that helps. > >You may also want to turn down the OSC VOL to only let the ringmod signal thru, since they are combined in the mixer section of the Virus. > >-zsŠhm rob... the artist oliver bondzio said something about..."I can work even faster with my MW2 than the XT although having 44 knobs for editing..." hm....the MW2 costs about 1000,- DM but the XT 1700,- DM .... used gear of course i could save 700,- for the novation superbass-station ;-) cheers nicoActually, go for the XT... 44 knobs make it really easy to program. If not, here is a *excellent* stand alone midi editor available for either the II or XT unit. Its made by Phillip Pilgram, he can be contacted on the Waldorf mailing list. His app allows all kinds of cool stuff including morphing of patches and a really cool sh-101 emu. XT is one synth Im not selling (along with the virus of course) :) Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: Nico Grubert To: Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 1:33 PM Subject: virus vs. microwave >hello guys, > >i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus with the microwave and the emu sampler. >i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? any suggestions ? > > >cheers >nico PPG plugin is also an option?? Im skeptcal , but well see Weld http://www.harmony-central.com/Newp/WNAMM00/Steinberg/SteinbergWaldorfPPG.html Wayne K. Lansdowne wrote: >Actually, go for the XT... > >44 knobs make it really easy to program. If not, here is a *excellent* stand alone midi editor available for either the II or XT unit. Its made by Phillip Pilgram, he can be contacted on the Waldorf mailing list. > >His app allows all kinds of cool stuff including morphing of patches and a really cool sh-101 emu. > >XT is one synth Im not selling (along with the virus of course) :) > >Wayne > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Nico Grubert >To: >Sent: Monday, March 06, 2000 1:33 PM >Subject: virus vs. microwave > >>hello guys, >> >>i plan to buy a micowave to extend my equipment and to combine my virus with the microwave and the emu sampler. >>i do not know choosing the microwave 1 or microwave 2 ???? any suggestions ? >> >> >>cheers >>nico Any chance of getting these patches by Howard?? Is there a central Virus patch repository on the net, or do I need to search for them from Canine's / Access web sites etc. Thanks in advance, Justin (newbie) >Howard, > >I'd LOOOOVE to see tutorial on how you got the Timpotro and CyberPop. :-) They are just so not a Virus. Yes we could look at the values to get an idea how it was made but that doesn't answer the questions like... why was it set this way? ... What gives it the "multi" sorta sound? Can this technique be applied to any patch to give it that rythmic pad like feel? and understanding of what makes it so unique. > >I know it would be a ton of work, but I thought I'd ask anyway :-) It could >be that you make a tutorial on a more basic patch to 'get the feel or idea behind the technique.' Maybe Access could put it in the manual as a tuturial... (and print a manual that has all the pages in it and not in various text files... ok that was charged I admit. :-) ) > >Thanks, >Kintama >kintama@jps.net > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Cranes Music To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:38 AM >Subject: Re: Octave Doctor > > >>Thanks very much Howard, that worked a treat. >> >>I also tried out your new sounds yesterday. I haven't had time to fully explore each one >>fet, but so far I particularly like 'Sizzler' and 'Pony' (plus a good few >>others, but I can't remember the names!) >> >>-Ben. >>----- Original Message ----- >>From: Howard Scarr >>To: Access list Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:02 PM >>Subject: Octave Doctor >> >> >>> >>> >>>>2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) >>> >>>Try this: >>> >>>1. Go to - START - (program a127) >>>2. OSC BAL = 2 >>>3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 >>>4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 5. Amp Release = 42 >>>6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". >>> >>>If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, >>>Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 >>>Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. >>> >>>Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... >>> >>>Have fun >>>Howard >>> >>> >>> >> > They are on the main Access site. Kintama >Any chance of getting these patches by Howard?? Is there a central Virus patch repository on the net, or do I need to search for them from Canine's / >Access web sites etc. >Thanks in advance, >Justin (newbie) > >>Howard, >> >>I'd LOOOOVE to see tutorial on how you got the Timpotro and CyberPop. :-) They are just so not a Virus. Yes we could look at the values to get an idea how it was made but that doesn't answer the questions like... why was >>it set this way? ... What gives it the "multi" sorta sound? Can this technique be applied to any patch to give it that rythmic pad like feel? and understanding of what makes it so unique. >> >>I know it would be a ton of work, but I thought I'd ask anyway :-) It >could >>be that you make a tutorial on a more basic patch to 'get the feel or idea >>behind the technique.' Maybe Access could put it in the manual as a tuturial... (and print a manual that has all the pages in it and not in various text files... ok that was charged I admit. :-) ) >> >>Thanks, >>Kintama >>kintama@jps.net >> >> >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Cranes Music To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, March 06, 2000 3:38 AM >>Subject: Re: Octave Doctor >> >> >>>Thanks very much Howard, that worked a treat. >>> >>>I also tried out your new sounds yesterday. I haven't had time to fully explore each one >>>fet, but so far I particularly like 'Sizzler' and 'Pony' (plus a good >few >>>others, but I can't remember the names!) >>> >>>-Ben. >>>----- Original Message ----- >>>From: Howard Scarr >>>To: Access list Sent: Friday, March 03, 2000 11:02 PM >>>Subject: Octave Doctor >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>2) Pitch envelope. I'd love to be able to have a sound play an octave >>>>>higher when I release the key (or do you know of a way that I can achieve this anyway?) >>>> >>>>Try this: >>>> >>>>1. Go to - START - (program a127) >>>>2. OSC BAL = 2 >>>>3. FILT ENV MOD / Osc2Pitch = -44 >>>>4. Filter Attack = 0, Decay = xxx, Sustain = 127, Time = 0, Release = 0 >>>>5. Amp Release = 42 >>>>6. Change Filter Attack and Release for different "bounce". >>>> >>>>If you need both oscillators to do this, use the mod matrix instead: Assign 2 source = FiltEnv, >>>>Des1 = Osc1Pitch, Amount1 = -6 >>>>Des2 = Osc2Pitch, Amount2 = -6. >>>> >>>>Of course you will lose the usual purpose of the filter envelope here - you could try LFO2 in Env Mode or AmpEnv as source of cutoff modulation... >>>> >>>>Have fun >>>>Howard >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> > YES ... the JOMOX AIRBASE ... best drum machine ever produced !!!! The most kickin drums you can find...and 10 Outs, LFO.... Questions ? cheers nicoI've been using an old alesis drum machine with my virus, but need some new drum sounds I've checked out the jomox airbase page it said it's perfect for house and techno but I produce drum and bass is there anything on it that would prevent that like a time clock that only goes to 140 bpm ? thanx for any help android i guess you can use the jomox airbase for each style. it is very very flexible...the pretty heavy weight airbase cheers nicoDear listmembers , I want to inform you that a further soundbank for the virus b is up at the soundsection on the access page . Its named influencia and contains 127 patches i did for the virus b . It makes use of the OS3.0 features and i cant say if the sounds are compatible to the old virus . Try it ;) Any feedback would be appreciated . Have fun OliOne thing that does yank my crank about the distortion is how unsemetrical it can get. With heavy distortion, I sometimes have the negitive half of the waveform clip, but the positive part hardly goes about zero. This causes a few headaches when mixing it. 1) What causes this? 2) How can a person work arround it, both from the virus perspective and the audio perspective? Nick On Mon, 6 Mar 2000 CKe9644719@aol.com wrote: >In einer eMail vom 03.03.00 23:00:59 MEZ, schreiben Sie: > >> >>Does anybody else think that the VirusB distortion is just shite? >> >>Both the filter overdrive *and* the FX. I don't mean the "weird" ones like bit and rate reduction. >> >>I just mean the basic soft-hard overdrive. >> >>Maybe I'm just a big distortion guy- but I find these barely usable. They sound nothing like any of my distortion pedals. (And I've got a lot of them) >>And they seem to wipe out a lot of the harmonics in the sound. Any chance on improving them? > >It's a distortion, not a complex tube/speaker simulator. But check sound A 22 and A 27. Set the Modwheel to different positions to archieve different distortion signal responces by the Phaser. Do you like it? > >-Christoph Some company rep. yesterday (3-6-00) posted a link asking for beta testers for their newly developed software synthesizer. It was on one of the Teklab lists this message is posted to. If anyone still has that link/post could they repost it or send it to me directly. I lost the post. I didn't think I'd be able to try out as a tester since I was still running DX6.01a. I d'loaded and installed DX7.0a last night and this time all my proggies still work fine. Back when I tried it before (DX7.0 [before "A"]), it screwed up my joystick setup and slowed some of my games & audio apps to a crawl. So since I now have DX7.0a I'd like to apply as a tester. Thanks in advance. --wasted/su700fan --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. >I'd LOOOOVE to see tutorial on how you got the Timpotro and CyberPop. :-) Sorry, it would take too much time to work out what I did (!) Just take a look at the parameters (especially the mod matrix and the LFOs). I certainly did not think up *these* sounds first, and then program them - so just "keep on tweaking"... >Then I have this patch from J called Halucigen. It makes my skin crawl to know that people can take an idea and bomb it into a sound... ..OK, some sounds appear like this - but to be honest, most of mine are like EVOLUTION - change some parameter and see if you prefer the result over the previous version. Any mistakes or unforseeable results are "mutations", and might take the sound somewhere else entirely: Survival and refinement - or extinction.Ahhhhh - and I thought you were a Virus prodigy, thinking up every parameter inside your head before turning a single knob, just like a modern-day Mozart! Really, though - I love the new patches. They are an inspiration in coming up with better and better tracks. Very high quality stuff... Thanks, Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius P.S. Look for CK's 'Fog' patch on what else: 'Within the Fog' on my MP3 site. As soon as I played that patch I knew that I had to write something with it. ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Octave Doctor Author: Non-HP-hscarr (hscarr@csi.com) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 3/7/00 2:23 PM >I'd LOOOOVE to see tutorial on how you got the Timpotro and CyberPop. :-) Sorry, it would take too much time to work out what I did (!) Just take a look at the parameters (especially the mod matrix and the LFOs). I certainly did not think up *these* sounds first, and then program them - so just "keep on tweaking"... >Then I have this patch from J called Halucigen. It makes my skin crawl to know that people can take an idea and bomb it into a sound... ..OK, some sounds appear like this - but to be honest, most of mine are like EVOLUTION - change some parameter and see if you prefer the result over the previous version. Any mistakes or unforseeable results are "mutations", and might take the sound somewhere else entirely: Survival and refinement - or extinction. I just wanted to say wassup to all fellow Virus users. I've been reading the emails for a while, but I haven't had anything to say. I recently did a dnb remix of ODB's "Got Your Money". With the exception of vocals and drums, it's all Virus. As a matter of fact, mostly all of my tunes' basslines, pads, and weird noises in general are generated from my Virus. I love this little beast. Remix: http://home.pacbell.net/mstolley/ Please tell me what you think. Peace.i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike gI think this was answered a long time ago but i was on the list before i got my virus, and i now have my virus, and i use cakewalk and i have to say and once more. and the knobs are not transmitting anything in the musical instrument digital interface out port. I want to record these knob messages in my big bad cakewalk 5.0 sequencer. Also i must ask this of anyone. How hard is the transition from something like cakewalk to cubase vst. just speaking midi stuff here, no audio track. I own cubase vst but it won't run on my slightly outdated 166mhz laptop so i am using my old school cakewalk. I am dreading the day that i get a mac g4 and have to learn cubase. Should i be dreading this and also is it hard to go from pc to mac? that's all folks. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com>Also i must ask this of anyone. How hard is the transition from something like cakewalk to cubase vst. just speaking midi stuff here, no audio track. Logic is better than Cubase, particularly for MIDI. It's not very hard to learn if you already know how to use a sequencer, just a few different conventions... might take 2 days to get fairly comfortable. Logic is cross-platform between PC and Mac, reasonably easy to use, fast for power users, has excellent MIDI timing which really does improve your groove, and is generally more reliable & professional than Cubase. Cheers, Thomasno idea about the MIDI/knob problem well maybe a couple of ideas - have the virus transmit poly-pressure data instead of SysEx. Cakewalk or your midi interface may be filtering it. - press the LFO shape buttons when you turn on the Virus to reset it. Something may be funky. - If cakewalk has a MIDI filter option, check that out. anyhow, on to other things... I've used PCs and Macs. They have their ups and downs. But for most people, going from PC->Mac is easier than Mac->PC. With Windows, you've probably learned how to deal with more stuff than you would have to with a Mac, so there should be fewer issues. There *are* fundamental differences when it comes to installing drivers (extenstions) between the platforms, so take your time when you get that MTP/AV for your G4. They're both fine for music, since most of the same software is available for each. There are people who feel that macs are better for sequencing, since they're more single-process oriented, and hence, keep more accurate time. My 450Mhz windoze box has no timing problems that I can hear, so I don't listen to people who say that. [btw, anyone who takes any of the above as an attack on his/her chosen platform, you are lame, and we would all appreciate *not* hearing from you.] sequencers........ Cubase is Fun & does a lot. I haven't used Cakewalk, but I have recently been transformed into a Logic user. Logic lets you set up really neat routings between your equipment, along with cool modular-synth-like transformations on MIDI data streams. I don't know of another sequencer that has this feature. It's very object-oriented, and has inspired a lot of creativity for me. It was more difficult for me to learn Logic than Cubase. It's my opinion that all sequencer programs will be forever quirky. It's just whatever quirks jive with you. Both Cubase and Logic are d-e-e-p, so you'll be learning them for months after you begin using them. [again, to those who see this as the impetus to begin a sequencer holy war, I will be the first to declare jihad on your ass.] -zs (obviously not much help) Richard Lohengrin wrote: > >I think this was answered a long time ago but i was on the list before i got my virus, and i now have my virus, and i use cakewalk and i have to say and once more. and the knobs are not transmitting anything in the musical instrument digital interface out port. I want to record these knob messages in my big bad cakewalk 5.0 sequencer. Also i must ask this of anyone. How hard is the transition from something like cakewalk to cubase vst. just speaking midi stuff here, no audio track. I own cubase vst but it won't run on my slightly outdated 166mhz laptop so i am using my old school cakewalk. I am dreading the day that i get a mac g4 and have to learn cubase. Should i be dreading this and also is it hard to go from pc to mac? that's all folks. > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================Does logic for pc support VST2.0 plug-ins? >logic is better than Cubase, particularly for MIDI. > >It's not very hard to learn if you already know how to use a sequencer, just >a few different conventions... might take 2 days to get fairly comfortable. > >Logic is cross-platform between PC and Mac, reasonably easy to use, fast for >power users, has excellent MIDI timing which really does improve your groove, and is generally more reliable & professional than Cubase. What do you mean cross-platform? I thought it only came for either windows or mac? Do they put both mac and windows versions in the same box? MikeHi Mike, >Does logic for pc support VST2.0 plug-ins? This feature just added. Implementation & compatability still being improved. >What do you mean cross-platform? I thought it only came for either windows or mac? Yes, that's the one. Cubase is cross-platform also... but the PC version has been/ is really buggy. Cakewalk is Windows only. Cheers, ThomasooooOOOOOOoooooohhh hissy fit -----Original Message----- From: Guido Storek [mailto:TheWanderer7@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:45 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: how to get a good bass sound Hi MYKE77777777777777. MYKE7777@aol.com schrieb: > >i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there >anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch >do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. Sorry, but I can«t stand these mails anymore. Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlooooOOOOOOoooooohhh hissy fit -----Original Message----- From: Guido Storek [mailto:TheWanderer7@gmx.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 1:45 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: how to get a good bass sound Hi MYKE77777777777777. MYKE7777@aol.com schrieb: > >i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there >anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch >do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. Sorry, but I can«t stand these mails anymore. Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlHi MYKE77777777777777. MYKE7777@aol.com schrieb: > >i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. Sorry, but I can«t stand these mails anymore. Guido -- About me, my music and my sports: http://Tao7.tripod.com My music page at BeSonic (with RealAudio and MP3-samples): http://www.BeSonic.com/User/0,1391,g0r0l1t1o0i13132,00.htmlIn a message dated 3/7/00 7:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, MYKE7777@aol.com writes: << i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds >> Eh........huh? Chances are you don't have a Virus, somebody musta sold you an MC-303 with a 'Virus' sticker on it.......because the little red wonder I bought has amazing bass capeabilities.Hey Myke7777-- Since some people are less than obliging on this list, probably since they are old timers unlike us who still have a lot to learn about our new instrument, I'll offer a suggestion. Maybe if you got a used version of the Virus or Virus B in the store you got it someone might have overwrote the good bass patches with their own. Or you haven't tried all the patches yet. In any case, go to www.access-music.de and download the latest OS release for your particular Virus (A or B) and upload it to your Virus. Also download some of the extra patches at the site. There are plenty of good, DEEP (and I mean long and LOW) BASS sounds that can come out of the Virus with the right patches. Other than that, if you already have the latest OS update/sound patches uploaded to your Virus you might want to check and see if you are sending MIDI note messages on the lower end of the spectrum. I.E. you'll get a much better lower bass sound if you press C-2 instead of C2 or C+2. Check your transpose settings on the Virus and your controller keyboard. --wasted/su700fan On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 22:17:41 Phlanno wrote: >In a message dated 3/7/00 7:33:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, MYKE7777@aol.com writes: > ><< i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds >> --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.Dude, Take a saw and a pulse wave, detune a little bit, adjust lp filter cutoff left of 6 oclock, crank up resonance (not too high though!), set filter env to zero attack, zero release, leave "time" at infinity, put a short decay, set sustain and env amount to something you like... put the amp attck to zero, decay to zero, sustain to 127 and release to zero... go from there... (you can even omit the filter env stuff if you want but it'll be less interesting if you do)... Virus low end is phat...Gabe-- Thanks for the detailed info. I'll have to try your recipe tomorrow night and see if it's even phatter than the presets. --wasted/su700fan On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 23:05:07 Gabe wrote: >Dude, > >Take a saw and a pulse wave, detune a little bit, adjust lp filter cutoff left of 6 oclock, crank up resonance (not too high though!), set filter env to zero attack, zero release, leave "time" at infinity, put a short decay, set sustain and env amount to something you like... put the amp attck to zero, decay to zero, sustain to 127 and release to zero... go from there... (you can even omit the filter env stuff if you want but it'll be less interesting if you do)... > >Virus low end is phat... --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't.thanks for all your help.... i'll try it now...You mean programmers? (((OpeaceM))) Guido Storek wrote: >Hi MYKE77777777777777. > >MYKE7777@aol.com schrieb: >> >>i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g > >First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. > >Sorry, but I can«t stand these mails anymore. > >GuidoI totally agree with Justins statement(s). Please, no negativity, there's enough out there already. (((OpeaceM))) "ruthless?!?!" wrote: >>>i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is >there >>>anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what >patch >>>do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g > >>First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. > >i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. im wayy to down with my virus, but the bass presets arent that hot. sure, you could probably come up with 18 million rockin bass sounds but you freaks dont realize that most *musicians* arent just glued to a synth all day. that dood was just looking for some help and your response was ignorant and uncalled for > >justinNow without a little negativity, positivity wouldn't sound so positive.....and then positivity would sound cheesey, and the abundance of cheese would then cause the void of negativity to dissappear....so really, negativity and positivity need each other, so they can keep the cheese in balance... Balance the cheese....BALANCE THE CHEESE!!!!!!!!!! Gel-Sol --- anaya wrote: >I totally agree with Justins statement(s). Please, no negativity, there's >enough out there already. > >(((OpeaceM))) > > >"ruthless?!?!" wrote: > >>>>i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very >good bass sounds... is >>there >>>>anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or >r&b bass sound.. what >>patch >>>>do you use? and did you customize it? thank >you very much >>>>mike g >> >>>First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very >good bass sounds. >>>But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. >> >>i dont know what you think are good bass sounds >but you are nuts. >>im wayy to down with my virus, but the bass >presets arent that hot. sure, >>you could probably come up with 18 million rockin >bass sounds but you freaks >>dont realize that most *musicians* arent just >glued to a synth all day. >>that dood was just looking for some help and your >response was ignorant and >>uncalled for >> >>justin > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comhehehehehe! ;-) Guy Incognito wrote: >Now without a little negativity, positivity wouldn't sound so positive.....and then positivity would sound cheesey, and the abundance of cheese would then cause the void of negativity to dissappear....so really, negativity and positivity need each other, so they can keep the cheese in balance... > >Balance the cheese....BALANCE THE CHEESE!!!!!!!!!! > >Gel-Sol > >--- anaya wrote: >>I totally agree with Justins statement(s). Please, no negativity, there's >>enough out there already. >> >>(((OpeaceM))) on 3/8/2000 1:55 AM, ruthless?!?! at wwjd@andythepooh.com wrote: >i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. I stopped reading his message after the words "good rap or r&b." Those two "styles" don't appeal to me much. [In fact, I hate them both!] Therefore, I couldn't care less whether or not he can get "good bass" out of his virus. Maybe he can get better sounds out a turntable. --JBytesAmong the language of Indigenous Americans there is no word for "art." For the First Americans everything is art... therefore it needs no name nor judgment. -a- Jaeh Bytes wrote: >on 3/8/2000 1:55 AM, ruthless?!?! at wwjd@andythepooh.com wrote: > >>i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. > >I stopped reading his message after the words "good rap or r&b." Those two "styles" don't appeal to me much. [In fact, I hate them both!] Therefore, I couldn't care less whether or not he can get "good bass" out of his virus. Maybe he can get better sounds out a turntable. > >--JBytesI love that. Well said. Kintama >Among the language of Indigenous Americans there is no word for "art." For the First Americans everything is art... therefore it needs no name nor judgment. > >-a- > >Jaeh Bytes wrote: > >>on 3/8/2000 1:55 AM, ruthless?!?! at wwjd@andythepooh.com wrote: >> >>>i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. >> >>I stopped reading his message after the words "good rap or r&b." Those two >>"styles" don't appeal to me much. [In fact, I hate them both!] Therefore, >>I couldn't care less whether or not he can get "good bass" out of his virus. >>Maybe he can get better sounds out a turntable. >> >>--JBytes >>i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there >>anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch >>do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g >First of all: The Virus comes with a lot of very good bass sounds. But it does not come with any good musicians. I mean - your mail is ridiculous. i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. im wayy to down with my virus, but the bass presets arent that hot. sure, you could probably come up with 18 million rockin bass sounds but you freaks dont realize that most *musicians* arent just glued to a synth all day. that dood was just looking for some help and your response was ignorant and uncalled for justini couldn't resist the bass argument thingy. I will say only a specific example here of the bass of that red and black box. I have the world's worst monitoring system, i spend monitor money on things like virus's??? I made a trance tune. OK. Mixed it on my 4year old reliable sony headphones and then put it through a sony mid size home stereo. Please no comments on my pathetic monitoring system, i remix in a pro studio. Well, it sounded fine on my sony systems, and when i took it to the studio, wham, i was hit with the most wicked subsonic ultraviolet dream i ever had heard. The mids and highs gracefully faded into the background as 20-50hz rocked the house. Yes, i realized once again that i had made the right choice, the choice of the next generation. Now all i need is some decent ns10s or something of the sort. For that poor soul making rap music (i shall remain silent as this is truly a trance techno machine and they probably would have been better off getting a big bad and purple emu planet phatt module) if you can not hear that massive subsonic bass and earth pounding lows, i suggest you either sell your sony monitoring system or just stop attempting music creation as your ears really aren't made for it. I apologize for the planet phatt reference and anything else but this access machine has the greatest bass i have ever heard. rap on. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comits good to hear that more and more people are dismissing entire genre's instead of exploring them. i have yet to find a style of music that lacked a single good song. imagine what you are missing. and maybe you could help him make good r&b and rap. keep it real homes justin -----Original Message----- From: Jaeh Bytes >on 3/8/2000 1:55 AM, ruthless?!?! at wwjd@andythepooh.com wrote: > >>i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. > >I stopped reading his message after the words "good rap or r&b." Those two "styles" don't appeal to me much. [In fact, I hate them both!] Therefore, I couldn't care less whether or not he can get "good bass" out of his virus. >Maybe he can get better sounds out a turntable. > >--JBytes > Hey I really hate those styles also, but that is no reason for not helping a newbie! If you cant come for help on the access list then where can you go!? take care, Jesper! Jaeh Bytes skriver: >on 3/8/2000 1:55 AM, ruthless?!?! at wwjd@andythepooh.com wrote: > >>i dont know what you think are good bass sounds but you are nuts. > >I stopped reading his message after the words "good rap or r&b." Those two "styles" don't appeal to me much. [In fact, I hate them both!] Therefore, I couldn't care less whether or not he can get "good bass" out of his virus. Maybe he can get better sounds out a turntable. > >--JBytes -- http://www.im-online.dk http://www.geneticlight.dkhello... yes i'm that 'poor guy' who's writing for rap and r&b groups... but i am doing this only part time... i'm getting 500 dollars a song and that's good. the rest of the time i am either working on my own music or aiming for my future job, scoring for film... i appreciate all the support from Justin and others.. but to the few who just blew me off, i have this to say... get off your fuc*ing high horse.. you have no idea what i do musically... i am actually a music teacher and i don't appreciate some know it all telling me that the virus doesn't come with good musicians.. yes i'm not some synth head who programs every little sound and knows every feature, but i do know how to make music... if i'm in the middle of writing a song and i need a phat bass sound, shouldn't i be able to write to my fellow virus owners and ask for help? or should i just keep silent out of fear that some jack ass will tell me how much better he is than me at getting sounds... sure i know the virus is great.. but the presets that i have are not what i'm looking for . i've played other synths with great presets for bass. like the se-1.. so i was hoping the virus would have the same.. i know it's capable of it, that's why i asked for help... thanks again to those who helped me... i appreciate it... sincerely mike gThe Emu Planet Phat is actually has very good bass sounds. My friend has one, but no knobs! Richard Lohengrin wrote: probably would have been better off getting a big bad and purple emu planet phatt module) if you can not hear that massive subsonic bass and earth pounding lows, i suggest you either sell your sony monitoring system or just stop attempting music creation as your ears really aren't made for it. I apologize for the planet phatt reference and anything else but this access machine has the greatest bass i have ever heard. rap on. if you're talking about phatt bass do not forget the waldorf pulse that produces really phat subsonic basses! cheers, nicoWhat's up with the Waldorf list anyway? It's been inactive? Yes, the Pulse can knock you out -- BAM! ;-) Nico Grubert wrote: >if you're talking about phatt bass do not forget the waldorf pulse that produces really phat subsonic basses! > >cheers, >nicoHi Mike, I agree with you. You got toasted for nothing man! I also don't really rate the presets in the Virus for what I do - I erased bank a and b and started from init. Now I edit the last patch and save it loads of times. I'm getting more 'me' sounds out of the synth. Maybe It's like the way I edit my monosynths, everytime I start editing its from the last point I got to last session/track. A slow development of a sound rather than flicking through presets. Edit the sound til its f***ed, save it, go back a few saves, edit it, save it. I find I get more 'personal' sounds this way that fit with other sounds I've made on other synths. At the end of the day I have a problem with presets. I love to start writing music with them but when the track is having it off nicely and you have a b.line you've just put in, going through loads of presets to try and find the 'right sound' just wastes time. Maybe thats why I like synths with no memory. You tweak, tweak, tweak til its right. I love the sound of my DX7's for bass but I have about a thousand presets and spend ages going through them, don't find one I like (probably having heard 10 awsome and suitable sounds but have presetitus) then get something in 5 mins on a 101. regards, Gerald Stringer. ---------- >From: MYKE7777@aol.com >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: OK Now I'm pissed >Date: Wed, Mar 8, 2000, 11:07 am > >hello... yes i'm that 'poor guy' who's writing for rap and r&b groups... but i am doing this only part time... i'm getting 500 dollars a song and that's good. the rest of the time i am either working on my own music or aiming for my future job, scoring for film... i appreciate all the support from Justin and others.. but to the few who just blew me off, i have this to say... get off your fuc*ing high horse.. you have no idea what i do musically... i am actually a music teacher and i don't appreciate some know it all telling me that the virus doesn't come with good musicians.. yes i'm not some synth head who programs every little sound and knows every feature, but i do know how to make music... if i'm in the middle of writing a song and i need a phat bass sound, shouldn't i be able to write to my fellow virus owners and ask for help? or should i just keep silent out of fear that some jack ass will tell me how much better he is than me at getting sounds... sure i know the virus is great.. but the presets that i have are not what i'm looking for . i've played other synths with great presets for bass. like the se-1.. so i was hoping the virus would have the same.. i know it's capable of it, that's why i asked for help... thanks again to those who helped me... i appreciate it... sincerely mike g Oli, I downloaded your soundset last night, but couldn't get my machine to unzip the file. I haven't had any problems unzipping any of the other files on the site. I would like to hear them, so is there any chance of you posting an uncompressed version on the site? Thanks, -Ben. ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver To: Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:38 PM Subject: Free Soundset >Dear listmembers , > >I want to inform you that a further soundbank for the virus b is up at the soundsection on the >access page . Its named influencia and contains 127 patches i did for the virus b . >It makes use of the OS3.0 features and i cant say if the sounds are compatible to the old >virus . Try it ;) >Any feedback would be appreciated . Have fun > >Oli I've definitley gotten some sick low end out of my virus, I think my ears a going deaf from the prolonged exposure, but hey as long as I'm infected right, if you've got the time try to tweak out your sounds, it's much more personal if you create the patch yourself, then when someone asks how did you make that bass so low did you sample it? and you can reply with a glimmer in your eye "No... I made it" This whole style war is really not needed, we each have our favorites, and tend to dislike others for what ever the reason, almost like the PC vs. Mac debate, Respect is the most important. Now I'm going to finish writing my Travis Trit, Shania Twain, Garth Brooks, country virus remix "I got friends in low places... like my virus bass" anyone know a good way to make a steel slide guitar on there machine ;-) keeping it real in the dirty south AndroidI didnt compress it , that was access job , but for me it worked fine . i mail it to you privately and to everyone else who has problems (its 80 kb or so,very little) Oli Cranes Music schrieb: >Oli, >I downloaded your soundset last night, but couldn't get my machine to unzip the file. I haven't had any problems unzipping any of the other files on the site. I would like to hear them, so is there any chance of you posting >an uncompressed version on the site? > >Thanks, > >-Ben. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Oliver >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 6:38 PM >Subject: Free Soundset > >>Dear listmembers , >> >>I want to inform you that a further soundbank for the virus b is up at the soundsection on the >>access page . Its named influencia and contains 127 patches i did for the virus b . >>It makes use of the OS3.0 features and i cant say if the sounds are compatible to the old >>virus . Try it ;) >>Any feedback would be appreciated . Have fun >> >>Oli Hey, you should add some R&B/rap to that remix....maybe if you combine some of the "less liked" genres, you'll end up with some wacky hybrid like metal-rap or ska-punk......oh wait.....forget I said anything......my bad. Gel-Sol --- DBDroid@aol.com wrote: >I've definitley gotten some sick low end out of my virus, I think my ears a >going deaf >from the prolonged exposure, but hey as long as I'm infected right, if you've >got the >time try to tweak out your sounds, it's much more personal if you create the >patch >yourself, then when someone asks how did you make that bass so low did you >sample it? and you can reply with a glimmer in your eye "No... I made it" >This >whole style war is really not needed, we each have our favorites, and tend to >dislike >others for what ever the reason, almost like the PC vs. Mac debate, Respect >is the >most important. Now I'm going to finish writing my Travis Trit, Shania Twain, >Garth >Brooks, country virus remix "I got friends in low places... like my virus >bass" >anyone know a good way to make a steel slide guitar on there machine ;-) >keeping it real in the dirty south >Android > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI agree, you have been treated bad by a bunch of bitches. If they really knew how to act on a list (this one's getting out of hand), they would not have treated you this way. If you are looking for the old funk type analog bass sounds, you can try using a sawtooth with an lfo, and or env to modulate the cutoff. A lot of good bass can be had with proper ajdustment of the cutoff and res, as well as good envelop settings. To get a fast attack, set the cutoff very low, and use env amout to set your desired attack level. Then reduce the sustain to a low level that sounds good, and mess with a short decay value to get your attack. A lot of good funky bass can be had with a sawtooth osc, nice resonate lowpass, and proper envelop settings. All of this can be had with ease on the Virus. If you have a Virus B, the Analog Boost can add some beef... Rick Rick >hello... yes i'm that 'poor guy' who's writing for rap and r&b groups... but >i am doing this only part time... i'm getting 500 dollars a song and that's >good. the rest of the time i am either working on my own music or aiming for >my future job, scoring for film... i appreciate all the support from Justin >and othersamen, brother! >Now without a little negativity, positivity wouldn't sound so positive.....and then positivity would sound cheesey, and the abundance of cheese would then cause the void of negativity to dissappear....so really, negativity and positivity need each other, so they can keep the cheese in balance... > >Balance the cheese....BALANCE THE CHEESE!!!!!!!!!! > >Gel-Solone thing that I overlooked at first was the use of a High-Pass (not a typo) filter to accentuate bass frequencies. "what?", you ask. well, if you set the cutoff frequency of a HPF to a low frequency (-28 to -20 on the V's Filter 2), and turn up the resonance, the frequencies near the cutoff get accentuated. cutoff freq | | v | /\ <-- resonance emphasizing bass frequencies vol| / \ | / ------------------- | / |/ +-------------------------- freq Set up your filters in Ser4 or Ser6, LPF on #1 and HPF on #2, you can still get a modulatable acid-type distorted, reso filter, but with more bass than without the HPF. -zsThat's well and good, but just because it's "art" doesn't mean I have to like it. And, just like with everything else, there's good art and bad art. --JBytes ----- Original Message ----- From: anaya To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 12:22 AM Subject: Re: how to get a good bass sound >Among the language of Indigenous Americans there is no word for "art." For the First Americans everything is art... therefore it needs no name nor judgment. but to most of us, to dismiss entire genres of art only shows a love of ignorance and/or lack of experience. -zs >That's well and good, but just because it's "art" doesn't mean I have to like it. And, just like with everything else, there's good art and bad art. > >--JBytesMaybe we're dismissing those genres because we've already explored them? Besides, there's so much "art" out there, it's really unrealistic to expect everybody to like every single one of them. --JBytes ----- Original Message ----- From: ruthless?!?! To: Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:43 AM Subject: Re: how to get a good bass sound >its good to hear that more and more people are dismissing entire genre's instead of exploring them. > >i have yet to find a style of music that lacked a single good song. imagine what you are missing. and maybe you could help him make good r&b and rap. > >keep it real homeshi all' thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com cool ... another addition to my killfile -zs H8 DJ'S wrote: > >hi all' >thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. >i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? > >smith > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comI agree with you. I have an virus a and I never used it for basssounds with punch. Generally I find that all the virtualanalog synth`s have problems with very low frequencies, but the nord2 is the best in this case. It«s much more punchy and it has definatly more lowend. But check the possibilities of the virus. If you«re not satisfied, try a Pulse (its cheap and rocks the house) or use a sampler to build your basssounds. Maybe sample a "almost" good sound from the virus, put it in the sampler and combine it with a raw sinewave. That`s almost used in Hiphop. And for all those intolerant and arrogant guys: FUCK YOU! nearlygod >-----UrsprŸngliche Nachricht----- >Von: MYKE7777@aol.com [mailto:MYKE7777@aol.com] Gesendet: Mittwoch, 8. MŠrz 2000 01:28 >An: access-list@teklab.com >Betreff: how to get a good bass sound > > >i noticed that my virus doesn't come with very good bass sounds... is there >anyone out there that can emulate a good rap or r&b bass sound.. what patch >do you use? and did you customize it? thank you very much mike g killfile...huh? does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay types...especially since i actually know how to play music. concerned, smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com No, it's because you're a playa hata. +unless you guys can prove that you're dick is bigger than the virus, please stop. adrian- DJ "Bleep-Bleep" Head of "Dumb-ass" Musicians "Talentless Shitfuck" Recordings * -----Original Message----- * From: H8 DJ'S [mailto:h82boogie@hotmail.com] * Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:11 AM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: re:HELLO!!!!!!!!!! * * * killfile...huh? * does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not * a numbnut who * only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? * is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? * i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay * types...especially since i actually know how to play music. * * concerned, * smith * ______________________________________________________ * Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > >hi all' >thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. >i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises >with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? > >smith*Awesome....this guy is a piece of work....look at the little jazzman go.....Hey jazzman, i used to play jazz...until I realized you're all a bunch of beat-off artists.....go play your solos you twat snot....you don't come into a chat like that.....I don't care much for dj's either, but I don't go saying it cuz I think I'm hotshit.......ever heard squarepusher? He uses jazz with programming.....you need to LISTEN to stuff before you go spoutin out some shit like that. And I am hot shit, thank you very much.....damn, that didn't sound right.... Gel-Sol the real reason I even wrote anything, was because I hadn't used the word "twat snot" in a long time, and it was overdue.... --- H8 DJ'S wrote: >killfile...huh? >does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who >only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? >i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay >types...especially since i actually know how to play music. > >concerned, >smith > ______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at >http://www.hotmail.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comLesseee now...let me recap: Your opinion is that everything that's been said on this list is an unacceptable form of bull, and that only your opinion matters, and that professions aside, you're the only one that knows how to make and play acceptable forms of music. Did I get that correct? Now *my* opinion in kind: that you're a twerp, with the people skills of a rhinoceros, and that in mixed company, you should be tarred and feathered so that externally, you'd match your invective, obnoxious, and vile interior that you've mistaken as personality, so that people could get advance warning of your coming and ignore your silly ass. I'd say that my opinion is valid, just like yours, wouldn't you agree? -ron At 11:11 AM 03/08/2000, you wrote: >killfile...huh? >does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay types...especially since i actually know how to play music. > >concerned, >smith >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com in retrospect, your message is obviously a parody of the ignorant criticism electronic music receives undeservedly. I applaud you and your creativity, you talentless ****-****. Now will Mr. Smith reveal his true feelings, in the spirit of good karma? -zs H8 DJ'S wrote: > >hi all' >thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. >i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? > >smithhey Matthew your tune is fly i love it! zs Matthew Stolley wrote: > >I just wanted to say wassup to all fellow Virus users. I've been reading the emails for a while, but I haven't had anything to say. I recently did a dnb remix of ODB's "Got Your Money". With the exception of vocals and drums, it's all Virus. As a matter of fact, mostly all of my tunes' basslines, pads, and weird noises in general are generated from my Virus. I love this little beast. > >Remix: >http://home.pacbell.net/mstolley/ > >Please tell me what you think. Peace. -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================well said ron. --- Ron Stephens wrote: >Lesseee now...let me recap: > >Your opinion is that everything that's been said on this list is an unacceptable form of bull, and that only your opinion matters, and that professions aside, you're the only one that knows how to make and play acceptable forms of music. > >Did I get that correct? > >Now *my* opinion in kind: that you're a twerp, with the people skills of a rhinoceros, and that in mixed company, you should be tarred and feathered so that externally, you'd match your invective, obnoxious, and vile interior that you've mistaken as personality, so that people could get advance warning of your coming and ignore your silly ass. I'd say that my opinion is valid, just like yours, wouldn't you agree? >-ron > >At 11:11 AM 03/08/2000, you wrote: >>killfile...huh? >>does that mean that my opinions aren't valid >because i'm not a numbnut who only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? >>is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on >a synth list? >>i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of >these damn deejay types...especially since i actually know how to play music. >> >>concerned, >>smith > >______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at >http://www.hotmail.com >> > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comokay all' guilty as charged... i am a true jazz musician, and yes, we're all kinda full of ourselves. in the spirit, as it were, i will, however, come clean on the truth. i don't like the DJ stuff, or techno for that matter, but i will say this: it takes all kinds to make a world, and being that i did see a lot of back and forth shitslinging as of late, i thought this may be a humorous break in the action. i love the fact that technology has advanced to a point where, even people without a musical background can get into programming. hope i didn't offend too many out there, but after the rap/r&b thread about good bass and what not, i thought some refreshment was overdue on this list. now then, back to my original question: does anyone have suggestions for getting a killer clean guitar sound out of the virus b. how about a good piano? smith From: Zack Steinkamp Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:33:56 -0800 in retrospect, your message is obviously a parody of the ignorant criticism electronic music receives undeservedly. I applaud you and your creativity, you talentless ****-****. Now will Mr. Smith reveal his true feelings, in the spirit of good karma? -zs H8 DJ'S wrote: > >hi all' >thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. >i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? > >smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Thanx. I have loads more on the way - I'm finally at the point right now where it feels like musical ideas are flowing. If only I could quit my day job. I need multiplicity! Zack Steinkamp wrote: > >hey Matthew > >your tune is fly > >i love it! > >zs > >Matthew Stolley wrote: >> >>I just wanted to say wassup to all fellow Virus users. I've been reading the emails for a while, but I haven't had anything to say. I recently did a dnb remix of ODB's "Got Your Money". With the exception of vocals and drums, it's all Virus. As a matter of fact, mostly all of my tunes' basslines, pads, and weird noises in general are generated from my Virus. I love this little beast. >> >>Remix: >>http://home.pacbell.net/mstolley/ >> >>Please tell me what you think. Peace. > >-- >------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 >======================================================heh ... BAM! philosophical tangent: I could care less what anyone's musical tastes are who subscribe to this list, for the following reasons: - the definition of a particular genre (e.g. D&B) is different for you than for me - I know what I like - What you like is inconsequential to what I like Saying this sucks, that sucks, this rules, that rules is just a waste of my (and everyone's) time, since it really doesn't matter to anyone but yourself. I love those times when we're talking about this musical instrument that we all indicate (by subscribing to the list) we are interested in. This is the _only_ thing that I know you (all of you) and me have in common. Your opinions about music, I could care less about. If you want to pontificate on which style is better than the other, this isn't the place for it. It only makes for ego/insult battles, which do nobody any good. *I* really enjoy taking the time to talk about ideas relating to programming the Virus, and helping others with the device. I hope you do too. -zs brooks rongstad wrote: > >okay all' >guilty as charged... >i am a true jazz musician, and yes, we're all kinda full of ourselves. in the spirit, as it were, i will, however, come clean on the truth. i don't like the DJ stuff, or techno for that matter, but i will say this: it takes all kinds to make a world, and being that i did see a lot of back and forth shitslinging as of late, i thought this may be a humorous break in the action. >i love the fact that technology has advanced to a point where, even people without a musical background can get into programming. hope i didn't offend too many out there, but after the rap/r&b thread about good bass and what not, i thought some refreshment was overdue on this list. now then, back to my original question: does anyone have suggestions for getting a killer clean guitar sound out of the virus b. how about a good piano? > >smith >>From: Zack Steinkamp Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: Re: HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! >>Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2000 11:33:56 -0800 >> >>in retrospect, your message is obviously a parody of the ignorant criticism electronic music receives undeservedly. >> >>I applaud you and your creativity, you talentless ****-****. >> >>Now will Mr. Smith reveal his true feelings, in the spirit of good karma? >> >>-zs >> >> >>H8 DJ'S wrote: >>> >>>hi all' >>>thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the >>list. >>>i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. >>>i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b >>exclusively, >>>and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep >>noises >>>with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it >>pushes >>>out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone >>help >>>here? >>> >>>smith > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================now for the real issue: >... back to my original question: does anyone have suggestions for getting a killer clean guitar sound out of the virus b. how about a good piano? forget about realism. I've made a phun EP sound, that responds to your playing in (my opinion) a very nice way. It pays close attention to velocity, aftertouch, and the mod wheel. I've attached a zipfile of it (zGdEp) and a few other sounds to this message. As for a guitar, it would be tough to model the resonance that is unique to a guitar, but you may be aple to tweak the EP sound to be more guitar-like (lower sustain, tweak the filter env, yadda, yadda...) -zs Attachment converted: f2000:zviruspatches2.zip 1 (pZIP/pZIP) (00006115)Though this mailing list has turned into a dramatic virtual interactive soap opera, i think it is kind of fun. IT HAS GIVEN ME SOMETHING TO BELIEVE IN WHEN ALL HOPE IS LOST! I think. The jazz creature we shall name Mao Ze dong for now has clearly illustrated his vast intellect which may very likely coincide with his musical ability. You have to be an astrophysical hedgehog to come on to a mailing list with a contingency of probably 95% trance/techno/dnb/dance producers who many of probably get paid to create music and denounce our style. Since you have been living in taiwan for the past few years, where techno is yet to really arrive(read it in a magazine), you have not witnessed the wide scale acceptance of electronic dance music by the masses, including of course, non unique giraffes such as yourself. If this fact has blown your mind as you settle in on america's soil, i shall now inform you that this type of music that shitfucks such as myself make by pressing buttons and twiddling knobs, which i am sure you do too if you own a virus, has been accepted in europe for nearly 15 year, maybe even longer! Mao ze dong, please play me a song in a little bar at 2 in the morning while we play for thousands anywhere in the world we want. Mao ze dong, play that trumpet louder than ever before while we have a giant wall of speakers on either side of us making a 909 do it's thing. mao ze dong, you are my hero. I want to be you and master jazz so i can work at 7 eleven during the day and play for 25 people at night if i am lucky. mao ze dong, you are my hero. Or is it mao ze dong, you are nothing but a sea urchin! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comIn a message dated 3/8/00 12:31:04 PM, geralds@lineone.net writes: << I erased bank a and b and started from init. Now I edit the last patch and save it loads of times. I'm getting more 'me' sounds out of the synth. >> that's a great idea... is it hard to upgrade your virus without losing some of the sounds? mikeI would like to take the time to apologize to the rap dude out there, I was in quite a pro trance mindset at the time. I think it is actually pretty amazing if you can switch your style over to rap from anything else. I don't think i could do that. Though i can't stand modern day rap, old school pioneers such as nwa, eazy e, and cypress hill, (late 80's early and mid 90's) really were true innovators in an emerging form of new electronic music. Though he is a fool now, dr dre use to fuck it up on the drum machine pretty hard core. Word up? _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comI also find myself programming every sound that I use... this is partially because I want everything to be exclusively my own creation, but also because I found the presets pretty useless for the style of music I do (dnb)... the virus itself is awesome for the style though... you just have to dig a little... -Gabesmith, jazz is cool. arrogance, ignorance, rudeness and bigotry isn't.> >that's a great idea... is it hard to upgrade your virus without losing some of the sounds? mike you never lose the sounds in banks A & B when you upgrade the OS sometimes new presets can go in banks C & D, but those aren't editable anyhow. -zsplease mommy make it stop make it stopIn a message dated 3/8/00 5:15:04 PM, supercow@swbell.net writes: << If you are looking for the old funk type analog bass sounds >> thanks rick, yeah i would love to get that old funk sound, you know that sound with a little disortion to it...... earth wind and fire or p funk stuff.... i'll try your recipe.. sincerely' mike gOK....anyone know how to unsubscribe from this list? This last email was rejected because the server doesn't accept commands in the subject field....hmmm.... -----Original Message----- From: Paddy Ryan [SMTP:paddyryan@home.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 11:54 AM To: 'access-list@teklab.com' Subject: unsubscribe Sorry folks....way too many stupid bitchy fuck heads here ruining it for everyone else...you know who you are... HOW OLD ARE YOU CREEPS ANYWAY? CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! For the nice people out there, good luck with your stuff!!!! Too bad... because there were a lot of cool things going on...thanks CK for your help....if I need it in the future I will email you directly.Does anybody out there sometimes or often feel like they are on drugs even when they are sober? Strange out of the ordinary things happening here and there? If so email me personally, a friend of mine needs some advice. Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comIn a message dated 3/8/00 8:25:31 PM, r_lohengrin@excite.com writes: << I would like to take the time to apologize to the rap dude out there, I was in quite a pro trance mindset at the time. >> thanks for having the nads to say that..... i know what you mean.. it's hard to go from writing symphonic film music to a snoop (like) beat.. but you know what's funny? i find it quite easy to go from writing a Prodigy type groove and then go to rap... probably because the styles are similar.. so to all of you who are hating me for the rap, do you like the Prodigy? mike gThere is no escape from the evil clutches of the virus mailing list. Once you are in there is only one way out and you don't want to know what that is. Assimilate! _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comhey richard' i've seen this a lot here in taiwan, and i think your friend has a bad case of "no wonder they think this is good music" anyone who is perma-fucked on ANY kind of drug is BOUND to enjoy trance music. btw richard: goa to hell! From: Richard Lohengrin Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: natural shrooming Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:39:18 -0800 (PST) Does anybody out there sometimes or often feel like they are on drugs even when they are sober? Strange out of the ordinary things happening here and there? If so email me personally, a friend of mine needs some advice. Thanks. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com The funny thing is not that I feel that I am on drugs when I'm sober, but that I DON't feel on drugs when I am AND everybody else looks like they on drugs. BIG MISTAKE to make at church... But serious, I personally beleave that every VIRUS has an alien burried within it's soul of electronics. By twisting an pulling an pushing information in and out of the machine digitally, you wake the alien. Sometimes you can even feel him standing there looking over your shoulder, grinning at the creation not truely human. Now if that is not typically of someone with a calvanistic outlook on life, I just don't know. I think it is time that I stop boinging and go to bed. mmmmmm cyber7 (Aubrey) human trapped in an alien body... ps - I was told in fact that some 'fynbos' (Small weedy shrubs looking like hurbs that grows wild in the Cape - and I mean everywhere - some odd 10000 species) have got some of the highest contents of natural halucinagens (Phew and I call myself educated) found in nature. AND THEY ARE COMMON. I think the Universe is trying to tell me something? On Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:39:18 -0800 (PST), Richard Lohengrin wrote: Does anybody out there sometimes or often feel like they are on drugs even >when they are sober? Strange out of the ordinary things happening here and there? If so email me personally, a friend of mine needs some advice. Thanks. ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaOk, ther has been a lot of humming about sequencers in the past, and it might even start up agian, but I say to you what I say to any of the guys I meet who is starting out with computers and sequencers. Stick what you start with. Do not try and chop and change for the sake of added 'functions' that you might never use. Also, try and speak to all your friends and enemies alike. Aks them what they are using, because beleave you me, when you need assistance, chances are if you are using what most of everyone around you are using you will get a quick answer. BUT YOU HAVE TO STICK WHITH WHAT YOU STARTED. I can not stress this more. You are here to write music, not to learn functions that you will never use, and the more you know about a single package, the more you will write music... The more powerful your music will become. I have heard better music written on a 'trakker' than a lot of 'new' computerised systems. Best of all... KISS!!! Keep It Simple Stupid! and enjoy the music. P.L.U.R. cyber7 (Aubrey) ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.zaLife must be very frustrating over there in taiwan , but please keep this for your own . Unless you have something useful to say , dude . Oli Mao ze Dong schrieb: >hey richard' >i've seen this a lot here in taiwan, and i think your friend has a bad case of "no wonder they think this is good music" anyone who is perma-fucked on ANY kind of drug is BOUND to enjoy trance music. > >btw richard: goa to hell! > >>From: Richard Lohengrin Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com >>To: access-list@teklab.com >>Subject: natural shrooming >>Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2000 12:39:18 -0800 (PST) >> >>Does anybody out there sometimes or often feel like they are on drugs even when they are sober? Strange out of the ordinary things happening here and there? If so email me personally, a friend of mine needs some advice. Thanks. >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com >> > >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comHello. Just got a Sony TCD-D3 DAT recorder, any one know where i can get a manual for it? Thanks.Hi, Is it just me or has it been a while since we have read something useful on this list? Come on everyone, get your act together! This list is about the _Virus_, right? We've all been infected, so let's discuss this beautiful synth and try to get the most out of it, no matter what music we make. Just my opinion and also the only post from me about this "topic". Cheerio, Joeri >>does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who >>only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejaysthere's a number for ordering stuff directly from sony - 800 222 7669 VirusMPC@aol.com wrote: >Hello. Just got a Sony TCD-D3 DAT recorder, any one know where i can get a manual for it? >Thanks.Squarepusher is pure insanity!!! Ouch! ;-) As far as all this ego, well, I don't have time for it. Guy Incognito wrote: >Awesome....this guy is a piece of work....look at the little jazzman go.....Hey jazzman, i used to play jazz...until I realized you're all a bunch of beat-off artists.....go play your solos you twat snot....you don't come into a chat like that.....I don't care much for dj's either, but I don't go saying it cuz I think I'm hotshit.......ever heard squarepusher? He uses jazz with programming.....you need to LISTEN to stuff before you go spoutin out some shit like that. > >And I am hot shit, thank you very much.....damn, that didn't sound right.... > >Gel-Sol > >the real reason I even wrote anything, was because I hadn't used the word "twat snot" in a long time, and it was overdue.... > >--- H8 DJ'S wrote: >>killfile...huh? >>does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who >>only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? >>i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay >>types...especially since i actually know how to play music. >> >>concerned, >>smith >> >______________________________________________________ >>Get Your Private, Free Email at >>http://www.hotmail.com >> >> >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi people, Anyone know what a troll is? >i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. He's throwing a line out, to see who will bite. Seems he did well; *plenty* of you took the bait. Naturally the smart cookies don't fall for this. >it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. Upload them somewhere! Cheers, Thomas>>one thing that I overlooked at first was the use of a High-Pass (not a typo) filter to accentuate bass frequencies. >Correct. And it works great like this... although it's still not real analog "deepness"...... oops, I didn't say that. :) >The Filter Keyfollow can be additionally used to follow the pitch. Very nice idea... haven't tried that yet in this context. Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysAs a veteran Jazz and Classical musician I think your condemnation of other forms of music is your own way of telling eveyone else that you feel inadequate as a musician and feel the need to put down others because they actually are getting somewhere with their craft. >i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, >and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comyou dont have a virus b , dont you ? i wasnt satisfied with the old virus basses and analogness too , sorry , but the b kicks ass especially with a little low boost and the 3. osc you get killer basses and they sound analoguer as an analog synth ;) . Oli Joeri Vankeirsbilck schrieb: >>>one thing that I overlooked at first was the use of a High-Pass (not a typo) filter to accentuate bass frequencies. >>Correct. > >And it works great like this... although it's still not real analog "deepness"...... oops, I didn't say that. :) > >>The Filter Keyfollow can be additionally used to follow the pitch. > >Very nice idea... haven't tried that yet in this context. > >Ciao, >Joeri >-- >Joeri Vankeirsbilck >joeri@belway.com > >List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM > >http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysI don't think anyone buys this sewerage, so you're a veteran jazz musician with a nick of h82boogie? Sounds more like the nick I used when I was a 12 year old hacker... You must be the first veteran jazz musician to excusivily use the virus, perhaps you could get an endorsement, or maybe just get a life and stop posting messages with the sole intention of stirring up shit. Hey, if you're a veteran blah blah exclusive blah blah - how come you can figure a guitar patch. Next time don't use the word killerest, nusery school children use that, not veteran blah blah, exclusive blah blah... So on that point I'd like to say that your post is complete bum rhubarb chicken winkle and I printed it out just wipe my butt with it, please forward your name and address so I can urinate on your grave when you die... Fuck I love thursdays... -----Original Message----- From: H8 DJ'S [SMTP:h82boogie@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:53 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! hi all' thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.comnow that my friends is a dissing with style! Next time forego the recap intro and get straight to the flame after the "Did I get it correct?" rhetoric. who says we're uneducated fcuks...er... -----Original Message----- From: Ron Stephens [SMTP:stephens@epigraph.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 8:27 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: re:HELLO!!!!!!!!!! Lesseee now...let me recap: Your opinion is that everything that's been said on this list is an unacceptable form of bull, and that only your opinion matters, and that professions aside, you're the only one that knows how to make and play acceptable forms of music. Did I get that correct? Now *my* opinion in kind: that you're a twerp, with the people skills of a rhinoceros, and that in mixed company, you should be tarred and feathered so that externally, you'd match your invective, obnoxious, and vile interior that you've mistaken as personality, so that people could get advance warning of your coming and ignore your silly ass. I'd say that my opinion is valid, just like yours, wouldn't you agree? -ron At 11:11 AM 03/08/2000, you wrote: >killfile...huh? >does that mean that my opinions aren't valid because i'm not a numbnut who only knows how to push buttons and turn knobs? >is jazz not a socially acceptable form of music on a synth list? i feel my 2 sense is just as applicable as all of these damn deejay types...especially since i actually know how to play music. > >concerned, >smith >______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Right, that's about enough of this. I've had it with the childish flaming and bantering of some of the newer (and one or two older) members of the access-list. In case you guys didn't know, the *ONLY* rule for a TekLab list is that you *NEVER FLAME ANYONE DIRECTLY ON THE LIST*. Do it in private, if you must do it at all. Clearly, this rule has not been enforced enough on the access-list, but I expect all old-timers and people with more sense to start enforcing this rule, please. There is to be no more direct flaming of *anyone*, no matter how stupid you think they are, on a public TekLab list. This also includes and resolutely applies to any snide comments about someone elses musical preferences - that means that if you're a so-called classically trained musician with nothing but disdain and low regard for techno musicians, keep your damned opinions to yourself. Nobody likes to hear about your opinion if all you're doing is trashing their music - and since the Internet is a very large and diverse culture, the *only* intention you could have for trashing someone elses chosen form of music is to start a flame war. (Either that or you are an obscenely narrow-minded person - in which case, you're still not welcome, for the potential you have for creating stupid flame wars. If thats the case then I suggest you grow up, and then come back later when you've seen the world outside your little box.) Again, one more time, in case you didn't catch it: *DO NOT USE A TEKLAB MAILING LIST TO PUBLICLY FLAME SOMEONE* *EVER* You are not welcome on any TekLab list if you cannot follow this simple rule. And in case you wonder what authority I have for enforcing this - my name is Jay, and I run TekLab and the mailing list that you're using, free of charge, to help you to positively exchange info with other Access Virus users. Its the only rule I have, and I expect you to follow it. Now, if you were thinking of replying to someone elses flame on the access-list, I suggest you do it privately. Lets get the access-list back to the positive list it was only a short time ago... j. At 09:49 AM 03/09/2000 +0100, you wrote: I don't think anyone buys this sewerage, so you're a veteran jazz musician with a nick of h82boogie? Sounds more like the nick I used when I was a 12 year old hacker... You must be the first veteran jazz musician to excusivily use the virus, perhaps you could get an endorsement, or maybe just get a life and stop posting messages with the sole intention of stirring up shit. Hey, if you're a veteran blah blah exclusive blah blah - how come you can figure a guitar patch. Next time don't use the word killerest, nusery school children use that, not veteran blah blah, exclusive blah blah... So on that point I'd like to say that your post is complete bum rhubarb chicken winkle and I printed it out just wipe my butt with it, please forward your name and address so I can urinate on your grave when you die... Fuck I love thursdays... -----Original Message----- From: H8 DJ'S [SMTP:h82boogie@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 7:53 PM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! hi all' thought this was the perfect opportunity to introduce myself to the list. i have read the recent archives, and i see nothing but stupidity, and unrelated bull concerning this list. i am a veteran jazz musician, who happens to use the virus b exclusively, and i think that all this talk about techno, and drum and bass is silly. it's not even real music...it's just some dumb-ass making bleep bleep noises with his groovebox. funny how record deals are just handed over to such talentless shitfucks. the virus wasn't meant for that, in fact, it pushes out some of the killerest B3, and wurly patches i've ever heard. is there a way to get a nice clean guitar sound out of it? can anyone help here? smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html If you back up the sounds with sysex or a librarian program like sound diver you've still got the presets, just in another place (admittedly harder to get to) I scrubbed all mine because I could never decide which sounds to save over and now have new ones in chronological order. Which I made. (making 20 sounds in an evening really dusted off my virus programming. Maybe scrubbing them all is extreme but it could be a good idea to bin the first few so you know where your personal sounds are. When you update the OS there are two files. One is the operating system, The other is two new banks of sounds. (If OS 3) Just Load in the OS file and your presets will be fine, though you should check out the new sounds which have some really nice drums and vocoder effects. (I can never program kicks - anyone?) Regards, G. ---------- >From: MYKE7777@aol.com >To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: Re: OK Now I'm pissed >Date: Wed, Mar 8, 2000, 8:14 pm > > >In a message dated 3/8/00 12:31:04 PM, geralds@lineone.net writes: > ><< I erased bank a and b and started >from init. Now I edit the last patch and save it loads of times. I'm getting more 'me' sounds out of the synth. >> > >that's a great idea... is it hard to upgrade your virus without losing some of the sounds? mike Eminem and snoop programming is tight though. Check it out. Regards, Gerald. ---------- >From: Richard Lohengrin To: access-list@teklab.com >Subject: apology to the rap dude >Date: Wed, Mar 8, 2000, 8:15 pm > >I would like to take the time to apologize to the rap dude out there, I was in quite a pro trance mindset at the time. I think it is actually pretty amazing if you can switch your style over to rap from anything else. I don't think i could do that. Though i can't stand modern day rap, old school pioneers such as nwa, eazy e, and cypress hill, (late 80's early and mid 90's) really were true innovators in an emerging form of new electronic music. Though he is a fool now, dr dre use to fuck it up on the drum machine pretty hard core. Word up? > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > Hi, A troll is a norwegian fairytale charachter, kinda like a goblin...but much bigger..scary... they crave christian blood.. Why on earth do you ask this?? Seen one or somthin' :-) well, well.....thank god it's friday....sooon... jon k. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Whitmore To: Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2000 1:18 AM Subject: What's a troll? >Hi people, > >Anyone know what a troll is? Hi Oliver, >you dont have a virus b , dont you ? Correct, I have a Virus KB. :))))) >i wasnt satisfied with the old virus >basses and analogness too , sorry , but the b kicks ass especially with a little low boost and the 3. osc >you get killer basses and they sound analoguer as an analog synth ;) . Well, opinions/taste differ.... Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysIt's time to get my stuff copywrited (i have no clue what the correct spelling of that wretched word is) and i don't really know too much about the subject. can anyone help with some info. You can either post it or email me personally, it doesn't matter. thanks _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comThis sort of question is better off on the music-bar, where its welcome, not on the access-list, where its off topic. If you'd like to join us on the music-bar, please read the details here: http://www.teklab.com/Internet.html The music-bar is for *anything* related to music, btw... and it's a great bunch of people if ever I saw 'em... j. Delivered-To: jay@teklab.com Mailing-List: contact access-list-help@teklab.com; run by ezmlm Reply-To: access-list@teklab.com Delivered-To: mailing list access-list@teklab.com Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:41:22 -0800 (PST) From: Richard Lohengrin To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: copyright laws X-Mailer: Excite Inbox X-Sender-Ip: 24.93.23.238 It's time to get my stuff copywrited (i have no clue what the correct spelling of that wretched word is) and i don't really know too much about the subject. can anyone help with some info. You can either post it or email me personally, it doesn't matter. thanks _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html shameless plug : did you download my soundset ?? There arent many good basses on it , but try patch 2 to see why i did such statement . I agree though that i like romplers ( btw the everywhere hated mc505 can produce really fat basses) and samplers more for bass sounds . I dont find on the virus often bass sounds i like to use so iwasnt able to to program them . And please , all the others , dont lynch me now for this statement . Joeri Vankeirsbilck schrieb: >Hi Oliver, > >>you dont have a virus b , dont you ? > >Correct, I have a Virus KB. :))))) > >>i wasnt satisfied with the old virus >>basses and analogness too , sorry , but the b kicks ass especially with a little low boost and the 3. osc >>you get killer basses and they sound analoguer as an analog synth ;) . > >Well, opinions/taste differ.... > >Ciao, >Joeri >-- >Joeri Vankeirsbilck >joeri@belway.com > >List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM > >http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays***standard disclaimer -- the following information is not NOT LEGAL ADVICE, if you feel you need legal advice please consult a licensed attorney. The following information should NOT BE RELIED upon and is provided for DISCUSSION purposes ONLY.*** What country are you in? If you're in a Berne Convention signatory country your stuff is automatically copyrighted... you don't need to do anything. However, depending on the country you might need to register the copyright in order to sue to enforce your copyright against infringers... and if you want to be super formal about it, you could you put a P in a circle, a C in a circle, the date you published the work and your name on any copies (or phonorecords) you distribute, that used to be required for protection in the US but since the US came fully aboard Berne a few years ago its no longer necessary there... ***standard disclaimer -- the preceding was not NOT LEGAL ADVICE, if you feel you need legal advice please consult a licensed attorney. The preceding information was provided for DISCUSSION purposes ONLY.*** :-)It is copyright. You know, like having the Right to Copy somfink... On Thu, 9 Mar 2000 10:41:22 -0800 (PST), Richard Lohengrin wrote: It's time to get my stuff copywrited (i have no clue what the correct >spelling of that wretched word is) and i don't really know too much about the subject. can anyone help with some info. You can either post it or email me personally, it doesn't matter. thanks > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com > ----------------------------------------------------------- ******************************************** http://go.to/cyber7 (alt: http://cyber7.musicpage.com) http://www.mp3.com/cyber7 mail: cyber7@mighty.co.za ******************************************** Brought to you by MightyMail! http://www.mighty.co.za