Looking at a "clean" square wave the virus produces, I've noticed an overshoot everytime the wave switches polarity. I also noticed a slight decay twords zero after the overshoot. The saw wave also has exhibits the overshoot spike when it flips. Is this how the waveform is supposed to be, or is there an issue with my adc, or?It's the same on mine as well. I have a feeling this was designed into the oscillators, as these characteristics would give the sound a sharper 'bite' (somewhat like the 'punch' parameter). -zs >Looking at a "clean" square wave the virus produces, I've noticed an overshoot everytime the wave switches polarity. I also noticed a slight decay twords zero after the overshoot. The saw wave also has exhibits the overshoot spike when it flips. Is this how the waveform is supposed to be, or is there an issue with my adc, or?Hi, I'm new to the list and I'm a Virus A owner since some weeks now. I feel a little swamped at the moment and hope to get some help here at the list... first of all I'd like to know if anyone got the virus environment from http://www.brainstorm-music.de/ to work (logic 4.1 /pc version). I alway get an error message if i try to load it...probaly I'm doing something wrong. Can anyone explain me how to do this exactly? the second thing I'd like to ask, if one of you has some fat and hard basedrums he would like to share. I'm too unexperinced to create some by myself and didn't find any statisfying patches on the web. thanx a lot in advance regards mikeHi everyone! I would like some help with Virus A and Cubase VST. Are there many people in this list that uses the same combination? When I use my other synths (MC505, AN1X) with cubase i got a small initialization part of each track with midicontrol initializing: 32 0 0 81 7 127 etc. When i try this on the Virus miditracks it doesn't work. The virus doesn't change Soundbank, sound or volume etc. What controlnumbers/controlchangenumbers should i use to initialize the virus to change soundbank, sound, volume etc? Please help me out .) Thanks in advance! torsten edwinson . creative developer p r o j e c t o r p n m a b . karlavŠgen 58 . 114 49 stockholm phone +46 8 562 15 446 fax +46 8 562 15 401 cellular +46 70 237 237 3 torsten@projector.se http://www.projector.seOn Tue, 01 Feb 2000 10:20:08 +0100, torsten edwinson wrote: >I would like some help with Virus A and Cubase VST. Are there many people in this list that uses the same combination? Use the Cubase Studio module - check out Canine's Virus page, it's there. Works perfectly with the Virus a. I think the author subscribes to this list... Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Check CDs Lore & Cyberdiver at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uktest If people send "tests," then whoever monitors this list should provide CLEAR, EFFECTIVE INSTRUCTIONS on how to remove one's email address from the list. I own and operate a Virus, which is apparently now the Virus A, which may or may not be supported and improved by Access, or TSI, or SOMEBODY. I'm sorry to vent (no sleep, early morn, you've all heard it before) HOWEVER the fact is that the WWW, or the internet, or WHATever is rife (does that mean "filled?") with suspect info and other junk. Some Access Virus users (I hope) want a synth that sounds less digital (read:more analog, or "analogue" {majordomoknows--DON"T FUCK WWITH THIS} because, well, digital is more computer dependent than 'log. Yes, I am a white trash hick from the sticks and I don't play with things that's tricks or that tick nervously or LIMP DICKS or just plain sick. Jesus, that was a diatribe. I guess I should put "OT" in the header or subject or... but then again, I have never called myself "net friendly" at least not that I'd admit to having said. Having said that, SUMMARY: I want to stop the Virus list from sending mail to the following account, since I don't check it frequently and when I do it's plugged up with lots of emails that have vague subjects listed. aeh207@is8.nyu.edu The list has been a big help to me, and I would thank all those involved in its upkeep if I could. (I bet they'd all be really pissed at me too...) I might even re-subscribe if I ever own another Virus (meaning: one that wasn't internet-dependent.) I put together my current home studio by avoiding what "americans" call PCs (Personal Computer? Personal Computer, but not an Apple? I honestly don't know how to phrase it, since (I want my kids to read this) a computer could be an abacus, IF I'M NOT MISTAKEN. Then again, with that fuzzy logic, the Virus, my MPC, my MS-1, my, my, my, they're all computers. Am I on drugs? Are you? What? Why? When did you take drugs last? Where were you? And after all this, I only now recognize that Envelope Generator's mail was posted today, within a few hours of when I last checked this email account. Sorry, I don't erase well On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Envelope Generator wrote: >test I still get emails, too. But I have sent an email with the unsubscribe text. I think, collecting all the daily mails and put them into 1 email would be even more comfortable for users, because they get only 1 email instead of 10 or 20 ones. Just think about that webmaster ! Please give me a little feedback. Thank you. regards from Berlin nicosomeone was asking about the access MW programmer the other day... might be useful Waldorf Microwave I, Access programmer, 4 cards ----------------- Asking Price: US$N/A Condition: Mint Age: N/A Description: Waldorf Microwave I - mint condition - $800 Access programmer for MWI - mint condition - $500 Microwave patch cards (4 cards, including Papin, original PPG wavetables, and two others) - $200 or best offer Seller: Rod MacQuarrie, 616-342-7590 E-mail: sys700@hotmail.com (Profile) Post Date: 1/31/2000 --------------- cOn Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:34:38 +0000, Paul Nagle wrote: >On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 10:20:08 +0100, torsten edwinson wrote: > >>I would like some help with Virus A and Cubase VST. Are there many people in this list that uses the same combination? > >Use the Cubase Studio module - check out Canine's Virus page, it's there. Works perfectly with the Virus a. I think the author subscribes to this list... He still does, man, he still does. I'm currently waiting for an answer from Access concerning a Virus-B testing installation. I'd like to adapt the driver to the B version but for the time being I'm not planning to 'upgrade' since I feel perfectly OK with 'just' my Virus-A. So keep the faith, there might be another driver version...Test message: 341 Bytes Your message: 2261 Bytes Calm down.The only thing weird about that studio module, is that it doesn't have all the names of the instruments correct. It comes up with "other" names for patches. I'm assuming someone renamed the patches but in the code that makes the patch is the original name and that is what the studio module looks at because the name does make sense as to what it sounds like (except for all the input/vocodor patches in bank D which are renamed to instrument names, and don't reflect what it is) Kintama kintama@jps.net -----Original Message----- From: Paul Nagle To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 1:38 AM Subject: Re: Virus A and Cubase VST >On Tue, 01 Feb 2000 10:20:08 +0100, torsten edwinson wrote: > >>I would like some help with Virus A and Cubase VST. Are there many people in this list that uses the same combination? > >Use the Cubase Studio module - check out Canine's Virus page, it's there. Works perfectly with the Virus a. I think the author subscribes to this list... > >Paul > >----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com >http://www.softroom.co.uk > >Check CDs Lore & Cyberdiver at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:30:32 -0800, Kintama wrote: >The only thing weird about that studio module, is that it doesn't have all the names of the instruments correct. It comes up with "other" names for patches. I suppose it's the case for the ROM banks C and D. The RAM names should be OK after a bank download. Did I miss anything? Have the ROM bank names changed? From which OS version on? Remember: The current driver is only tested for Virus-A ! Unfortunately the studio module environment doesn't allow for use of external files in order to automatically load ROM bank names. This means we will need a studio module driver for each Virus version with new ROM bank names. Maybe someone wants to send me a list of names for bank C and D - I could burn them into the driver and distribute both drivers with appropriate version description. CU flp ___________________________________________________ Check my music for free: http://www.mp3.com/rumpelrauschI have installed OS 2.51 in my virus a. since I have installed it, I cannot find the parameter for Output-select. Neither in easy-mode nor in expert-mode i can find a menu, where I can choose the output (OUT1 L, OUT1 R/L,... AUX1 L,...) of the single sound if the virus is in single-mode. Where can I select the output ? thank you. regards nicoHas anyone heard about the Virus b/kb up and coming os to allow flash rom burns on banks c and d?>I have installed OS 2.51 in my virus a. since I have installed it, I cannot find the parameter for Output-select. > >Neither in easy-mode nor in expert-mode i can find a menu, where I can choose the output (OUT1 L, OUT1 R/L,... AUX1 L,...) of the single sound if the virus is in single-mode. > >Where can I select the output ? output select is only available in multi or multi-single mode. The same with the delay output too ... in single mode, the sound and its delay are *always* sent out OUTPUT 1. -zsHI ! you are in SINGLE-MODE,right? no need to change the output ;-) think about stay fresh jens w. Nico Grubert schrieb: > >I have installed OS 2.51 in my virus a. since I have installed it, I cannot find the parameter for Output-select. > >Neither in easy-mode nor in expert-mode i can find a menu, where I can choose the output (OUT1 L, OUT1 R/L,... AUX1 L,...) of the single sound if the virus is in single-mode. > >Where can I select the output ? > >thank you. > >regards >nicothose prices are quite high by the way! W chris mendoza wrote: >someone was asking about the access MW programmer the other day... might be useful > >Waldorf Microwave I, Access programmer, 4 cards > >----------------- >Asking Price: US$N/A >Condition: Mint >Age: N/A >Description: > >Waldorf Microwave I - mint condition - $800 > >Access programmer for MWI - mint condition - $500 > >Microwave patch cards (4 cards, including Papin, original PPG wavetables, and two others) - $200 or best offer > >Seller: Rod MacQuarrie, 616-342-7590 >E-mail: sys700@hotmail.com (Profile) >Post Date: 1/31/2000 > >--------------- > >cSorry. Seriously, it was out of line. On Tue, 1 Feb 2000, Philipp Mott wrote: >Test message: 341 Bytes >Your message: 2261 Bytes >Calm down. Hi Cerberus, Zack, >Looking at a "clean" square wave the virus produces, I've noticed an overshoot everytime the wave switches polarity. I also noticed a slight decay twords zero after the overshoot. A perfect square wave has harmonics going up to unlimited/ infinite frequencies, which are required to achieve a perfectly square transient response. The digital samples (inside the Virus or inside a wave editor) can even look perfectly square, but they are representing a limited bandwidth, probably to 24 kHz. So in between the sample points, the signal curve is interpolated such that no frequencies above the sampling/ Nyquist limit are present. This means that the curve has overshoots & ringing when transients occur, which is what actually happens when you band-limit a transient. So this is what comes out of the D/A convertor, correctly according to sampling theory, and what you see if you zoom in with a good wave editor such as Cool Edit. D/A limitations & resampling into whatever device you're viewing the wave with, may increase the 'ring' characteristic or make it more obvious. Additionally, as Zack said, the oscillator may have extra overshoot & ring modelled into it. Cheers, ThomasYeah I think your right about banks A and B being fine. Only C and D are messed up. This explains why none of the new input and vocoder things are listed, and why I thought some of the names were old, or there was a patch change. Does this mean you haven't put a new OS on in ages? Man, your missing out. :-) kintama -----Original Message----- From: Philipp Mott To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 01, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: Re: Virus A and Cubase VST >On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:30:32 -0800, Kintama wrote: > >>The only thing weird about that studio module, is that it doesn't have all the names of the instruments correct. It comes up with "other" names for patches. > >I suppose it's the case for the ROM banks C and D. The RAM names should be OK after a bank download. > >Did I miss anything? Have the ROM bank names changed? From which OS version on? >Remember: The current driver is only tested for Virus-A ! > >Unfortunately the studio module environment doesn't allow for use of external files in order to automatically load ROM bank names. This means we will need a studio module driver for each Virus version with new ROM bank names. >Maybe someone wants to send me a list of names for bank C and D - I could burn them into the driver and distribute both drivers with appropriate version description. > > >CU >flp >___________________________________________________ Check my music for free: >http://www.mp3.com/rumpelrausch > > I think it's in the design. I was able to make a perfect square wave with CSound and it didn't sound as pleasant as the Virus' rounder sounding square wave. In fact, I believe no synths on the market feature square wave with the ideal shape (either because of the design or component limitation.) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi Norsez, >I think it's in the design. I was able to make a perfect square wave with CSound and it didn't sound as pleasant as the Virus' rounder sounding square wave. Interesting. That would be a very good reason to have a rounded wave... Cheers, Thomashi jens, of course there is a need changing the output ! what about routing the signal to the intern aux to filter the output again ??? think about THIS ! ;-) regards from Berlin Nico Jens Wegerhoff wrote: > >HI ! > >you are in SINGLE-MODE,right? > >no need to change the output ;-) > >think about > >stay fresh > >jens w. > >Nico Grubert schrieb: >> >>I have installed OS 2.51 in my virus a. since I have installed it, I cannot find the parameter for Output-select. >> >>Neither in easy-mode nor in expert-mode i can find a menu, where I can choose the output (OUT1 L, OUT1 R/L,... AUX1 L,...) of the single sound if the virus is in single-mode. >> >>Where can I select the output ? >> >>thank you. >> >>regards >>nicoAt 10:46 AM +0100 on 02.02.2000 Nico Grubert wrote: of course there is a need changing the output ! what about routing the signal to the intern aux to filter the output again ??? think about THIS ! ;-) But you can't do this if you are in single mode: the patch you are using won't make a sound and be in feedback mode if you route the output to the aux and use the aux as an input. Then you are not using the oscillators for the one patch you are using, also you are not routing the signal anywhere outside the virus and the virus will be silent. Just switch to multimode, use one program to generate a sound, route that one to the AUX bus, make a new patch on another channel and use AUX as an input there. This enables you to refilter the signal. btw: how does this sound? has anyone created sounds when refiltering that are worthwhile? Or is this just an academic thing where the possibilities are endless but most results sound like pure academics? ;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 4:25 PM +0100 on 01.02.2000 Nico Grubert wrote: I still get emails, too. But I have sent an email with the unsubscribe text. I think, collecting all the daily mails and put them into 1 email would be even more comfortable for users, because they get only 1 email instead of 10 or 20 ones. Just think about that webmaster ! Please give me a little feedback. Thank you. Even better: you can go to my website at the beginning of each month and download an entire archive of mails from the previous month in one file....;-) http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/, follow the link to the mailinglist archive... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:45:04 +0100, "K.9 Kai Niggemann" wrote: >But you can't do this if you are in single mode: the patch you are using won't make a sound and be in feedback mode if you route the output to the aux and use the aux as an input. You're right of course. Mind you, one benefit of having output selection in Single mode (patch and effects) would be for headphone use: you could use output 3 or output 5 without disturbing the main outputs. Currently, to do this requires Multi mode but even then it isn't ideal because you get the Multi's global delay rather than the patch delay... Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Check CDs Lore & Cyberdiver at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk>btw: how does this sound? has anyone created sounds when refiltering that are worthwhile? Or is this just an academic thing where the possibilities are endless but most results sound like pure academics? totally not just academics... I've had awesome results with the internal busses. Try this comparison: 1) Play a chord on a simple patch with some noticable saturation. 2) Flip into MULTI-SINGLE mode, set up that patch on part 1, turn off the saturation, and route the output to AUX1+2. On part 2, set up an STATIC (or DYNAMIC if you like) input patch listening to AUX1+2, and turn on the same kind of saturation. It is a completely different sound. Other ideas: - input filter: replace saturation in the example above with filtering. Filtering the *whole signal* versus each note gives different results. - dual-filters: sweep the filter in the sound generation patch one way, and the input patch the other way. - dual-parallel: sound generation->AUX1+2, then set up TWO parts with input patches listening to AUX1+2, and do different things with the saturation/chorus/filter/panning/etc/etc - dual-serial: Sound generator->AUX1+2, input on part 2 listening to AUX1+2 -- output to AUX3+4, input on part 3 listening to AUX3+4, output to your mixer. It does take more time to set up these sounds, but you'd be suprised at the world that opens up as a result. I also like to take two outputs from my sampler and run them into the inputs on the virus. Using Access' filters vs. my cold Akai filters is nice. happy experimenting zs>I also like to take two outputs from my sampler and run them into the inputs on the virus. Using Access' filters vs. my cold Akai filters is nice. You can do this in Single Mode.>>I also like to take two outputs from my sampler and run them into the inputs on the virus. Using Access' filters vs. my cold Akai filters is nice. > >You can do this in Single Mode. ... and a vest has no sleeves. ;-) zsWell, its just a few short hours until the LA Convention Center opens its doors and starts the NAMM Winter 2000 trade show here in sunny Los Angeles (yes, it is indeed sunny!) I'll be there, showing off Disky and playing with the awesome new Yamaha A-series samplers (A4000/A5000) as well as a few other very nice new toys that are going to be announced, and moron (of a3k-list and music-bar fame) will *also* be here this year, as a guest of TekLab. I decided that all of moron's tireless hard work on www.samplelibrary.net needed to be rewarded, so he's flying down tomorrow evening from Canada to spend the next 4 days at NAMM... and since this will be the first time he and I will have met in real life, it's an exciting event indeed. Which means that both moron and I will be floating around the trade show, gathering news and checking things out - and we decided tonight that we should make our news reports available online for all members of the teklab mailing list community to read on a daily basis. The URL for the TekLab NAMMNews forum is: http://www.samplelibrary.net/news.php3 We'll both be posting items to this page over the next 4 days reporting new product announcements, details on our experiences, and generally dumping as much out of our heads on to the web page as we can regarding the show! If there's things you want to see, we'll be posting our answers on this page for all to read - so if you're interested in stuff at NAMM this year, keep an eye on it over the next few days and check out any new updates as they arrive. Let us know what you think! j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! -a->Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! Yes, I agree. BUT what about a visual in the DISPLAY when the ARP is active for a patch. I need this more and more for live work. It would be amaizing if you can dial up a patch and from the DISPLAY you can establish if the ARP is active or not for the said patch. cyber7 (Aubrey)>BUT what about a visual in the DISPLAY when the ARP is active why not choose a name with a special character for that patch, so you can see that way if there is an arp active or not ? grtz, Steven MIME:systems@biblesociety.co.za on 03/02/2000 13:05:26 To: access-list@teklab.com @ INTERNET , monokrom@sirius.com @ INTERNET cc: (bcc: Steven De Mesmaker/AIQ/CT/ATLAS COPCO) Fax to: Subject: Re: More features and control of the Arp? >Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! Yes, I agree. BUT what about a visual in the DISPLAY when the ARP is active for a patch. I need this more and more for live work. It would be amaizing if you can dial up a patch and from the DISPLAY you can establish if the ARP is active or not for the said patch. cyber7 (Aubrey)On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:42:28 +0200, systems@biblesociety.co.za (Aubrey Kloppers) wrote: >Yes, I agree. BUT what about a visual in the DISPLAY when the ARP is active for a patch. I need this more and more for live work. It would be amaizing if you can dial up a patch and from the DISPLAY you can establish if the ARP is active or not for the said patch. As a workaround you could prefix those patches which contain arpeggios with something meaningful, maybe.... ? Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Check CDs Lore & Cyberdiver at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.uk>why not choose a name with a special character for that patch, so you can see that way if there is an arp active or not ? Because once my RANDOM PATCH BUILDER is complete (And so far it works like a bomb:)) I would not like to rename 256 patches to have a prefix for the ARP. Just let your imagination go for a second: My prefixes already have: 1. PR=Percussion 2. BS=Bass 3. LD=Lead 4. GT=Guitar 5. OR=Organ... etc Then I have an Acronym of "c7" for my own name in the patch. PLUS I have a prefix on the Acronym of "c7" for the original patch creator's name. I.E.: RP=RobPapen K9=... etc. This does not leave me with a whole lot of space for the patchname. Now if I have to add say an A or AR as a prefix for Arpeggiated sounds, well, have a look: ARLD....RPc7 Not really effective. On top of it, IF I change a sound in a MULTI, it means I have to re-save the name. Not really an option... BUT if a little A comes up on the display (Like the little NOTE that comes up when you trigger a note or the syx when you send sysex) when the ARPEGGIATOR is active, well need I say more? cyber7 (Aubrey) PS: After speaking to Christoph a while ago, he made me understand that it was not such a huge change that needs to be done to display something if the ARP is active, BUT he did say that it will only be implimented if enough people ask for the function. So far it looks like I am the only person who uses the VIRUS-b live (Else I am sure that more people whould have asked for the function)hi Aubrey, I would also like to see this "arp visual" function. Thanks, Shawn shawnclear@aol.comOn Thu, 3 Feb 2000 14:59:48 +0200, systems@biblesociety.co.za (Aubrey Kloppers) wrote: >PS: After speaking to Christoph a while ago, he made me understand that it was not such a huge change that needs to be done to display something if the ARP is active, BUT he did say that it will only be implimented if enough people ask for the function. So far it looks like I am the only person who uses the VIRUS-b live (Else I am sure that more people whould have asked for the function) Amongst the things I have asked for: * an option to use external input instead of Osc3, * to have different sawtooth shapes (some of the Polymorph's different sawtooths are COOL), * to have Local Off use the standard MIDI controller rather than sysex, * to be able to re-allocate some of the knobs I never use (those "extra" envelope knobs), * to have "proper" arpeggio send with local off, * to have the transpose keys work on the keyboard output not the module, * to have more modulation matrix slots, * to have option to route main output simultaneously to other outputs (to make up for no headphone socket), * to transmit MIDI clock at the tempo stored in the Single or Multi. * a copy mode for delay settings to take good settings from a patch to the current multi. * to have new modes for the mod matrix - one example being veloff to start with a constant value when used as source rather than using the velon value first until a veloff is received. There are more ideas here too. That's all before I start wondering about new filter types (I'd love a copy of Clavia's Vocal Filter), possibly replacing the BandStop filter with something more fun/wacky... I've asked for tons and Christoph is probably tearing his hair out each time I email him... "bloody english, never satisfied!" ;-) We all have different agendas I guess but despite my wants, I LOVE this synth and whatever is planned for it, I will continue to love it. And yes, I use it live - it's arpeggios are triggered from my Polymorph and I know when I dial up a patch whether or not this is a place in my set I want to arpeggiate. Never had a problem but then I never considered your random patch generator. Paul ----------------------------------------------------- Paul Nagle softroom@btinternet.com http://www.softroom.co.uk Check CDs Lore & Cyberdiver at http://www.neuharm.demon.co.ukI have a plan, let's ask Christoph :)) >hi Aubrey, > >I would also like to see this "arp visual" function. > >Thanks, > >Shawn >shawnclear@aol.com>PS: After speaking to Christoph a while ago, he made me understand that it was not such a huge change that needs to be done to display something if the ARP is active, BUT he did say that it will only be implimented if enough people ask for the function. So far it looks like I am the only person who uses the VIRUS-b live (Else I am sure that more people whould have asked for the function) I'd definitely love to see this feature as well, together with a general 'arp on/off" switch that overrides the patch settings. Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays--- Aubrey Kloppers wrote: >I have a plan, let's ask Christoph :)) > Yeah. I would ask him if he could add a swing parameter and programmable gate value for each step to the arp too :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comOn Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Aubrey Kloppers wrote: >PS: After speaking to Christoph a while ago, he made me understand that it was not such a huge change that needs to be done to display something if the ARP is active, BUT he did say that it will only be implimented if enough people ask for the function. So far it looks like I am the only person who uses the VIRUS-b live (Else I am sure that more people whould have asked for the function) > What I would like to see, and I believe it would take care of your need as well, is a mode where the env buttons(in the lfo section), or maybe the transpose buttons, can be switched to control arp on/off and hold(latch). One could switch to this mode during live use and be able to: 1.) easily control the arp on/off and hold 2.) See if the arp is on or not by the status on the lights above the buttons. I also think this would be a great feature for use other than live because, for me atleast, the arp makes a big difference in how I may or may not use a sound, thus affecting my judgement of the current patch while I'm creating it. I would love to be able to quickly switch it on or off. I would use this much more often than I would the env mode buttons for the lfos'(which I would not mind having to access through a menu as the env mode seems to be something that I either set or do not set for a patch. The arp is something that I will go back and forth on as I design the patch). -Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------On Thu, 3 Feb 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >Yeah. I would ask him if he could add >a swing parameter and programmable >gate value for each step to the arp too :) > Agreed! Or at least an option to vary the velocity with each arp "hit". Say what you like about old Roland, but the arp on the jp8080 and the mc505 are very, very nice! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------Check it out here: http://members.xoom.com/angelsflight/secret/andromeda.jpg Anyone hear about this one yet? I think it will be demo'd at NAMM. All I heard was that it was a true analog synth with the following: ------- RCO's 2 per voice, digital waveforms follow the analog oscillators Filter 4 pole fully configurable, individual cutoff and HP/LP switching for each pole; analog morphing between two filter setups is possible. ------- Don't know how it sounds but it sure looks bitchin'! Check out all them knobs and buttons! I bet this thing will cost a fair amount of change - maybe upwards of $3K. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius Return-Path: Received: from gate3.intern.beehive.de (gate3.intern.beehive.de [192.168.1.1]) by apis.intern.beehive.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA09840 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:56:01 +0100 Received: (from root@localhost) by gate3.intern.beehive.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id NAA14150 for ; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 13:51:32 +0100 Received: from frosch.all.de(212.42.242.2) by gate3.intern.beehive.de via smap (V1.3) id sma014148; Wed Feb 2 13:51:11 2000 Received: by frosch.all.de (8.9.3/nora-19990817) with SMTP from firewall.terratec.de (firewall.terratec.de [62.192.26.250]) for (envelope-from lars-i@terratec.de) id MAA86706; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:55:09 +0100 (CET) Received: (qmail 11424 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 11:55:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO tmail.terratec.de) (qmailr@192.168.0.1) by fire.ttec.de with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 11:55:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 12301 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2000 11:55:02 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO tric) (192.168.0.54) by softdnserror with SMTP; 2 Feb 2000 11:55:02 -0000 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:55:24 +0100 Message-ID: <01BF6D7C.C54A0CC0.lars-i@terratec.de> From: Lars Inger To: "'spawm@gmx.de'" , "'3klang@gmx.de'" <3klang@gmx.de>, "'nico@beehive.de'" , "'oliverp@microsoft.com'" Subject: Andromeda Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:55:23 +0100 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-Mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="---- =_NextPart_000_01BF6D7C.C5533480" X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Eben ist folgendes Ÿber die Analogue Heaven Mailinglist eingetroffen: Andromeda 16 voice true analog synthesizer 2 oscillators per voice, with sub oscillators, hard and soft sync, and ring mod per voice 2-pole multimode resonant filter (Oberheim SEM style) plus 4-pole lowpass resonant filter (Moog style) per voice Three 7 stage envelopes, with 9 different slopes available -per stage- Three multi-wave LFOs with variable waveshapes and phase 144 buttons 72 knobs 16 channel multitimbral Industrial design by Axel Hartmann (who does most of the Waldorf stuff) Large 640 x 240 graphic display CV inputs for oscillator, filter External audio inputs 20 outputs - 2 main, 2 aux, 16 individual mono (8 TRS jacks) Arpeggiator and analog-style step sequencer Everything on the front panel transmits MIDI Onboard 24 bit digital effects, plus analog distortion circuit Large ribbon controller 256 presets, 128 user, plus card slot for program expansion. Flash memory OS - upgrading the OS is as simple as downloading a MIDI file, and playing it into the synth. The official ship date and price of Andromeda are TBD. Best regards Lars Inger lars-i@terratec.de http://www.terratec.de TerraTec Electronic GmbH Herrenpfad 38 D - 41334 Nettetal Germany Tech. Hotline: +49-2157-817914 oder ueber den e-mail Support: http://www.terratec.net/support.htm Bei weiteren Fragen wenden Sie sich bitte direkt an die Tech. Hotline oder an den Tech. e-mail Support!!! THE CONTENT OF THIS MESSAGE IS NOT ALLOWED TO BE PUBLISHED VIA ANY MEDIA WITHOUT THE AUTHOR'S PERMISSION. Attachment converted: f2000:andromeda.jpg (JPEG/JVWR) (000058AB)Wrong. The specs you are talking about are the ones of the Sunsyn of jomox (www.jomox.de). Kaspar>Andromeda 16 voice true analog synthesizer 2 oscillators per voice etc...Kaspar Thommen wrote: >Wrong. The specs you are talking about are the ones of the Sunsyn of jomox (www.jomox.de). Not correct at all: the Sunsyn has other specs!!!! These are definitely the specs of another synth!!!!!! Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysHe was talking about the RCO followed by Digital Waves spec as being the Sunsyn... >>Andromeda 16 voice true analog synthesizer 2 oscillators per voice etc...Kaspar Thommen wrote: > >>Wrong. The specs you are talking about are the ones of the Sunsyn of jomox >>(www.jomox.de). > >Not correct at all: the Sunsyn has other specs!!!! These are definitely the specs of another synth!!!!!! > >Ciao, >Joeri >-- >Joeri Vankeirsbilck >joeri@belway.com>http://www.alesis.com/products/a6/index.html > oh, i am sorry ... i just got this email including the pic of the Alesis Andromeda so i thought the text is about the andromeda ... i am sorry guys regards nicooops, sorry. :) I was scanning the mails too fast again. :) Rick Reyes wrote: >He was talking about the RCO followed by Digital Waves spec as being the Sunsyn... > >>>Andromeda 16 voice true analog synthesizer 2 oscillators per voice etc...Kaspar Thommen wrote: >> >>>Wrong. The specs you are talking about are the ones of the Sunsyn of >jomox >>>(www.jomox.de). >> >>Not correct at all: the Sunsyn has other specs!!!! These are definitely the specs of another synth!!!!!! >> -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysHow about trying this!?!????......http://www.alesis.com/products/a6/index.html In a message dated 2/3/00 12:33:07 PM, joeri@belway.com writes: <>Sorry , couldnt resist to forward this one Oli drk schrieb: >From: "drk" > >If the Alesis Andromeda announcement wasn't enought to convice (BTW it is a true analog synth, VCOs, VCF, etc!) Korg is apparently reissueing one of its "classics" (dare I say dinosaurs?). the MS20. Me thinks this is the trend for Winter NAMM 2000! > >http://www.korg.co.jp/products/update_MS2000.html > >This one "appears" (sorry my Japanese is not so good) to be of the VA variety > >drk > >--------------------------- ONElist Sponsor ---------------------------- > >Books, music, auctions and more! Amazon.com. Click Here > >------------------------------------------------------------------------At 03:25 2/3/00 -0800, you wrote: Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! When they start doing this, I hope they'll also implement some new things in the older Virus OS ;-) Byebye< Erik. _____________________________________________________ Visit my KORG Prophecy Solo Synthesizer Information at http://korgprophecy.musicpage.com ---- "Run like Hell from Glowing Man...!" (Old QUAKIAN saying) ---- chrono@xs4all.nl Me too! -a- ShawnClear@aol.com wrote: >hi Aubrey, > >I would also like to see this "arp visual" function. > >Thanks, > >Shawn >shawnclear@aol.comI'd like it to make expresso! -a * -----Original Message----- * From: anaya [mailto:monokrom@sirius.com] * Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:43 PM * To: access-list@teklab.com * Subject: Re: More features and control of the Arp? * * * Me too! * * -a- * * ShawnClear@aol.com wrote: * * > hi Aubrey, * > * > I would also like to see this "arp visual" function. * > * > Thanks, * > * > Shawn * > shawnclear@aol.com *These are awesome requests! -A- Paul Nagle wrote: > >Amongst the things I have asked for: >* an option to use external input instead of Osc3, * to have different sawtooth shapes (some of the Polymorph's different sawtooths are COOL), >* to have Local Off use the standard MIDI controller rather than sysex, >* to be able to re-allocate some of the knobs I never use (those "extra" envelope knobs), >* to have "proper" arpeggio send with local off, * to have the transpose keys work on the keyboard output not the module, >* to have more modulation matrix slots, * to have option to route main output simultaneously to other outputs (to make up for no headphone socket), >* to transmit MIDI clock at the tempo stored in the Single or Multi. * a copy mode for delay settings to take good settings from a patch to the current multi. >* to have new modes for the mod matrix - one example being veloff to start with a constant value when used as source rather than using the velon value first until a veloff is received. There are more ideas here too. >That's all before I start wondering about new filter types (I'd love a copy of Clavia's Vocal Filter), possibly replacing the BandStop filter with something more fun/wacky... > >I've asked for tons and Christoph is probably tearing his hair out each time I email him... "bloody english, never satisfied!" ;-)YES!!! -A- Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >--- Aubrey Kloppers wrote: >>I have a plan, let's ask Christoph :)) >> > >Yeah. I would ask him if he could add >a swing parameter and programmable >gate value for each step to the arp too :) > >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comAt 12:41 AM +0100 on 04.02.2000 Chrono wrote: At 03:25 2/3/00 -0800, you wrote: Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! When they start doing this, I hope they'll also implement some new things in the older Virus OS ;-) I know they probably have many other things on their mind right now, but I want the filter in the delay line in my virus a. Please! that is the single most wanted feature. From me that is...;-) think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Canine, >I know they probably have many other things on their mind right now, but I want the filter in the delay line in my virus a. Please! that is the single most wanted feature. From me that is...;-) Agreed, delay line filter. I need no features on the arpeggiator. Cheers, Thomasaren't the AUX busses available as delay outputs? set up an AUX input patch on a part > 4 (or < 4 if you like to play with feedback), and you're set. forgive me if I'm wrong about the delay output into AUX ... I'm at work :-P right now. -zs Thomas Whitmore wrote: > >Hi Canine, > >>I know they probably have many other things on their mind right now, but I want the filter in the delay line in my virus a. Please! that is the single most wanted feature. From me that is...;-) > >Agreed, delay line filter. > >I need no features on the arpeggiator. > >Cheers, >Thomas -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================Hi, sorry, I meant the stuff with "2 Oscs, 2 RCOs, fully configurable 4-plo filters". These are definitely specs of the sunsyn. Kaspar >>Wrong. The specs you are talking about are the ones of the Sunsyn of jomox (www.jomox.de). > >Not correct at all: the Sunsyn has other specs!!!! These are definitely the specs of another synth!!!!!!Hey people it seems there will be released a whole bunch of incredible gear this year . I think i will have to beginn saving money . Here are some links : http://www.propellerheads.se/reason/index.htm http://www.korg.co.jp/products/update_MS2000.html www.rolandus.com http://www.alesis.com/products/a6/index.htmlAt 6:39 PM -0800 on 03.02.2000 Zack Steinkamp wrote: aren't the AUX busses available as delay outputs? set up an AUX input patch on a part > 4 (or < 4 if you like to play with feedback), and you're set. forgive me if I'm wrong about the delay output into AUX ... I'm at work :-P right now. Nothing wrong there, you are perfectly right, in a live situation (where I would most need tape delay style delay filters) things are complicated enough, if i have to navigate to a certain patch, that's not going to help... I'd rather set one of the definables to be the delay filter for the multi delay, the other being the send and that#s that....;-) btw: what mode do you (anyone) use your definables in? global or single? whcih parameters do you use them for? do you sometimes wish you had more definable knobs? I am just curious. right now I use both of mine in global mode, the top one is patch volume, the bottom one is delay send. I really like the idea that i am able to assign them, but I doN't see much sense in reassigning them, too confusing... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ At 9:55 AM +0100 on 04.02.2000 Oliver wrote: Hey people it seems there will be released a whole bunch of incredible gear this year . I think i will have to beginn saving money . Here are some links : Hm nothing on Access' website... guess we have to wait for Musikmesse in Frankfurt.... think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi! >btw: what mode do you (anyone) use your definables in? global or single? whcih parameters do you use them for? do you sometimes wish you had more definable knobs? I use them for controlling effectsend and chorus mix. Very usefull to quickly listen to a dry single (or wet ofcourse). It's easier to listen if a certain single will fit into a mix/multi when it's dry. I'm currently working on a dub-style track and i've assigned them to control delay feedback and send. I'm sure you're not too surprised about that...:) ciao j -- jsdejong@wxs.nl http://home.wxs.nl/~djdjong Binaural - Unison EP on DJAX-UP-BEATS - 298Hi there, just a quick question. Does anyone know if Eddy / Anig Browl is still under us. I need to ask him some questions concerning the use of his patches . Thanks in advance, John Machielsen.Did anyone bother to look at the weight of the Andromedia? Like I need to go to gym... Took me long enough to drink the beer, why would I loose such an attractive tummy in the first place? Weight: 47lbs. (21 kg) THANKS ACCESS FOR MY VIRUS-b!!! At least it will not change the way I look :)) ----- Original Message ----- From: Oliver To: Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 10:55 am Subject: OT NEWS >Hey people > >it seems there will be released a whole bunch of incredible gear this year . I think i will have to beginn saving money . Here are some links : > >http://www.propellerheads.se/reason/index.htm > >http://www.korg.co.jp/products/update_MS2000.html > >www.rolandus.com > >http://www.alesis.com/products/a6/index.html > >When they start doing this, I hope they'll also implement some new things in the older Virus OS ;-) RRRRRRRRRRight! greetings, s/mThere comes a time when you just gotta let go and spring for the newer models.... I'm selling my Virus to a buddy for 500 bux, and getting the B. WHile that is a bit cheap, it means he and I will both be able to have fun in similar machines, and he's been doing this for years, where I'm pretty new at it all. So if I run into technical troubles he'll know how to over come them. I have accepted that the old A is pretty much maxed out, or that Access is done with it beyond the little features. So I'm moving to the B. But if it only has 30% more power, and they are using all that on polyphony, I've also expect that the B model is also maxed out already. So What I'm buying is polyphony and filters and the rest of the current features. Anything that comes out later for the B model will be bonus. And I'm willing to bet that all your spoiled by getting features on the A just because it has been that way in the past. You bought it cause you liked it as it was is my guess. :-) Thank God they put more goodies in it tho. I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. Shouldn't be more than cost of a Virus B and Fatar midi keys. ($1450 USD) It's like the cost fo 2 virii (viruses) at $2300. That Korg that someone showed us in Yen was $1000 which is cool. Of course the Jomox is insanely high priced. They only wanna sell twelve I guess. :-) not sure how I drifted into this... I guess it's cuz I'd rather have the KB model than the B but for it's price I can go buy a B and a Polymorph to get more voices/features/filters for my dollars.... note: that of course it's a "non-Access" product. So Access has given me incentive to purchase other competing products. Ok well that is how I rationalize it, be it right for you or wrong, that is how I think of it. And that is how I spend my money. In fact when I get my B model, I'm getting the Jomox Xbase09 and a mixer only cuz I couldn't justify spending that much on the Virus KB. Damn, I really am off topic.. I'm shutting up now :-) Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Chrono To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Thursday, February 03, 2000 4:02 PM Subject: Re: More features and control of the Arp? >At 03:25 2/3/00 -0800, you wrote: >>Hi does anyone know if Access has mentioned or plans to improve the arpeggiator on the Virus b/kb? Something more like the Waldorf's Q with glide, gate, slide....Plus, being able to use the definable knobs too! > >When they start doing this, I hope they'll also implement some new things in the older Virus OS ;-) > >Byebye< >Erik. > >_____________________________________________________ >Visit my KORG Prophecy Solo Synthesizer Information >at >http://korgprophecy.musicpage.com > >---- "Run like Hell from Glowing Man...!" (Old QUAKIAN saying) ---- >chrono@xs4all.nl >btw: what mode do you (anyone) use your definables in? global or single? whcih parameters do you use them for? do you sometimes wish you had more definable knobs? > I just started really digging into my system and making stuff with a sequencer, but first thing I did was make Definable #2 knob a part volume. Not sure if I did that global or not, I just dinked with the settings til I got it right. yes I immidiately thought there needs to be like 6 knobs for this. 4 would be enough, but if future stuff comes along that could use it, there would be room to grow. Kintama>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. Fact is: - The kb casing costs more than 4 b casings (big wooden parts, complexer shape than the b) - You not only need a keyboard (which is one of fatars best synth action and therefore not cheap) but also wheels, a pcb for the wheels and the aftertouch strip, an extra pcb for the keyboard controller, a pcb for the pedal jacks,... - Than there's the increase in production cost and the bigger packaging. You see, no chance to get it cheaper, unless you take a VIRUS b and build a kb by yourself ... hey, wait ... Guido Kirsch access music electronics--- Kintama wrote: >There comes a time when you just gotta let go and spring for the newer >models.... I'm selling my Virus to a buddy for 500 bux, and getting the B. I wish I had a buddy like u :) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comwell, for those of you who want to know, I've put up some instructions and a demo MP3 of using the internal Aux1 bus as the output for the Virus' delay. http://www.geocities.com/edsarkiss/virus/filter/ It's a RAD effect... -zs Zack Steinkamp wrote: > >aren't the AUX busses available as delay outputs? > >set up an AUX input patch on a part > 4 (or < 4 if you like to play with feedback), and you're set. > >forgive me if I'm wrong about the delay output into AUX ... I'm at work :-P right now. > >-zsHi, >>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. >Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. Well, it's worth every Deutsche Mark I paid for it! I love it! All that I really miss right now is a "keyboard" destination for the transpose buttons, but except for that, it's like a dream! >- You not only need a keyboard (which is one of fatars best synth action and therefore not cheap) Very nice keyboard indeed! >but also wheels That also feel very stable and solid. Buy it! You'll never regret it! Just my opinion of course. :-) Jeez... the Alesis Andromeda really looks impressive as well.... Cheers, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born Deejays>Nothing wrong there, you are perfectly right, in a live situation (where I would most need tape delay style delay filters) things are complicated enough, if i have to navigate to a certain patch, that's not going to help... hi Canine ... I guess you could use another controller (like that Peavey thing with the knobs, or another MIDI controller box) to only send to, say, MIDI channel 16 - where your delay sent via the AUX bus. Then you could use your virus as usual, and twist the knobs on the other box to control the delay filter part. I'm not sure if you use a computer in your live setup, but you could do something with Logic to re-route a MIDI controller from a MIDI device you're already using the Delay Filter channel. Maybe you could also set up some MULTI presets to have different kinds of instrument/delay processing for different songs, accessible from a single button press. One last thing ... what about sending delay out a separate output (instead of the AUX), and putting that signal thru a guitar wah pedal? your hands are completely free, and you'll get a lo-fi sound controllable with your foot. Just some ideas ... I'm a studio-only kind of guy, so I'm not sure what kind of (amazing) stresses are present in playing live. -zs>Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. >Fact is: >- The kb casing costs more than 4 b casings (big wooden parts, Ê complexer shape than the b) >- You not only need a keyboard (which is one of fatars best synthÊÊÊ action and therefore not cheap) but also wheels, a pcb for the Ê wheels and the aftertouch strip, an extra pcb for the keyboard Ê controller, a pcb for the pedal jacks,... - Than there's the increase in production cost and the bigger Ê packaging. > >>>>You see, no chance to get it cheaper, unless you take a VIRUS b and build a kb by yourself ... hey, wait ... Mhhh, "hey, wait ..." WhatÇs coming up here Guido ? :-)) Gruss, Ralf >>>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. >>Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. > What price did you find for the KB version? At 8thstreet.com the virus b is $1229 and the keyboard is $1695. $450 difference? I don't think that is all THAT bad? But then I don't know why anyone would trade the rack for a keyboard :) I love the rack. With that and my portable controller I can go anywhere... Speaking of which, I have now got my virus and my mackie 1402 to fit into the 12 space skb pop-up mixer case. I mention this because I had inquired previously if anyone else had done this so I thought I would mention that I did have success. Also, did my message come through about setting the transpose or env buttons to control arp on/off and latch? I didn't see any responses to it ... perhaps everyone just thinks it's a rotten idea and didn't want to hurt my feelings :) -Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------Zack Steinkamp wrote: > >aren't the AUX busses available as delay outputs? > >set up an AUX input patch on a part > 4 (or < 4 if you like to play with feedback), and you're set. > >forgive me if I'm wrong about the delay output into AUX ... I'm at work :-P right now. I think you're right. But what you get then is this: Sound => Delay =========> Aux-In-Sound (Filter) =======> Output | | |<===Feedback I assume what we want is this: Sound => Delay => Filter =====> Output | | |<=====Feedback If you could do this, every repetition would be filtered stronger than the one before. And just imagine what this would sound like if you modulated the cutoff or resonance or saturation or what ever. Every repetition would get another q-peak. Try it out: sample a sound with high resonance. then make an "external-input-sound" of it, change the cutoff, play the sampled sound through it and resample the result. Do this 10 times and you hear, what the 10th repetition of our fantastic delay would sound like. ThenZack Steinkamp wrote: > >aren't the AUX busses available as delay outputs? > >set up an AUX input patch on a part > 4 (or < 4 if you like to play with feedback), and you're set. > >forgive me if I'm wrong about the delay output into AUX ... I'm at work :-P right now. I think you're right. But what you get then is this: Sound => Delay =========> Aux-In-Sound (Filter) =======> Output | | |<===Feedback I assume what we want is this: Sound => Delay => Filter =====> Output | | |<=====Feedback If you could do this, every repetition would be filtered stronger than the one before. And just imagine what this would sound like if you modulated the cutoff or resonance or saturation or what ever. Every repetition would get an extra q-peak. If you got a sampler you can try it out: sample a sound with high resonance. Then make an "external-input-sound" of it, change the cutoff, play the sampled sound through it and resample the result. Do this 10 times and you hear, what the 10th repetition of our fantastic delay would sound like. Then make a multi-sample: Put the just produced 10 repetitions on different keys. Then make a wild pattern of it in your sequencer and mix it with some drumloop. Kicks some serious butt!!!!!!! The bad thing is that this procedure is a real pain in the ass. How fast could we get similar results with an extra filter IN THE DELAY-LINE just by fiddling around with the delay-settings a little bit? Regards JšrgSorry for the doubled message.Jorg wrote: >I think you're right. But what you get then is this: > >Sound => Delay =========> Aux-In-Sound (Filter) =======> Output >| | >|<===Feedback > >I assume what we want is this: > >Sound => Delay => Filter =====> Output >| | >|<=====Feedback > >If you could do this, every repetition would be filtered stronger than the one before. if your input patch in on a part <= 4, you can give it some delay (EFFECT SEND), and have the processed delay fed back into the delay bus, which accomplishes the refiltering you're talking about. -zs ps ... again, instructions and an example MP3 are at: http://www.geocities.com/edsarkiss/virus/filter/I have been waiting for over a month for my Virus B. I am going crazy and have been getting very upset. My condolences to anyone else who is eagerly awaiting their little red box!!! Dandan, you have to understand access is a little company so it is possible waiting several days or weeks... ever heard something about jomox from Berlin ? think about it regards nicoI remember a while back. Somebody posted about the Virus' attack didn't function properly so his kick drum lacked punch in some notes in his sequence. My Virus b does exactly the same thing. (I am gonna use my sampler to sample the kick from Virus.) But I am still curious why this happens. Anybody? (Chistorph?) norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comsetting OSC INIT to any value other than 0 steadies out the attack transients -zs Norsez Orankijanan wrote: > >I remember a while back. Somebody posted about the Virus' attack didn't function properly so his kick drum lacked punch in some notes in his sequence. My Virus b does exactly the same thing. (I am gonna use my sampler to sample the kick from Virus.) But I am still curious why this happens. Anybody? (Chistorph?) > >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================I also got my Virus KB from 8thstreet.com. I recommend them to anyone in North America -- very cool guys, and the price was the best I could find. I am in western Canada, and even the Vancouver shops I found on the web couldn't match the price, after USD==>CDN $ conversion. I had to wait about three months for mine -- looks like Access is scrambling to keep up with demand 8-). P.S., about all this 'new-feature' talk: I agree a 'performance mode' where arpeggiators can be turned on/off via a single button would be nice; perhaps other features which are not top-level could be brought up to buttons in this mode. Also: I'd like the arpeggiator to have some kind of step-sequencer or something so patterns other than 'up', 'up/down', 'random' etc. may be programmed in. Say up to 16 steps, set each step to trigger a choice of half, quarter, eighth, 16th etc. and be able to set the degree of each note, so you could have an arpeggiated sequence like I-I-I-III-V-III-I (which transposes based on the 'root' you hit). This would make it possible to do neat poly-rhythmic bass lines etc. "robotfarm.com" wrote: > >>>>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. >>>Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. >> > >What price did you find for the KB version? At 8thstreet.com the virus b is $1229 and the keyboard is $1695. $450 difference? I don't think that is all THAT bad? But then I don't know why anyone would trade the rack for a keyboard :) I love the rack. With that and my portable controller I can go anywhere... > >Speaking of which, I have now got my virus and my mackie 1402 to fit into the 12 space skb pop-up mixer case. I mention this because I had inquired previously if anyone else had done this so I thought I would mention that I did have success. > >Also, did my message come through about setting the transpose or env buttons to control arp on/off and latch? I didn't see any responses to it ... perhaps everyone just thinks it's a rotten idea and didn't want to hurt my feelings :) > >-Jack >---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------Me too! John Machielsen wrote: >Hi there, just a quick question. > >Does anyone know if Eddy / Anig Browl is still under us. > >I need to ask him some questions concerning the use of his patches . > >Thanks in advance, > >John Machielsen.www.novamusik.com: $1649.00 www.roguemusic.com: $1579.00 "robotfarm.com" wrote: >>>>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. >>>Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. >> > >What price did you find for the KB version? At 8thstreet.com the virus b is $1229 and the keyboard is $1695. $450 difference? I don't think that is all THAT bad? But then I don't know why anyone would trade the rack for a keyboard :) I love the rack. With that and my portable controller I can go anywhere...I'm going on two weeks for my kb!!! Meow! Dgerbs@aol.com wrote: >I have been waiting for over a month for my Virus B. I am going crazy and have been getting very upset. My condolences to anyone else who is eagerly awaiting their little red box!!! > >Danhi, << I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. Shouldn't be more than cost of a Virus B and Fatar midi keys. ($1450 USD) It's like the cost fo 2 virii (viruses) at $2300. That Korg that someone showed us in Yen was $1000 which is cool. Of course the Jomox is insanely high priced. >> This makes no sense. You are comparing real analog to "measley" VA. Costlywise, of course RA is much, much more. Shawn shawnclear@aol.comhi, << In fact when I get my B model, I'm getting the Jomox Xbase09 and a mixer only cuz I couldn't justify spending that much on the Virus KB. >> Good choice. I have an Xbase and it has hot outputs like the Waldorf Pulse! You don't even have to turn it up much. IT KICKS MY ASS! Shawn shawnclear@aol.comCan this be done realistically? Russ Magee wrote: > >Also: I'd like the arpeggiator to have some kind of step-sequencer or something so patterns other than 'up', 'up/down', 'random' etc. may be programmed in. Say up to 16 steps, set each step to trigger a choice of half, quarter, eighth, 16th etc. and be able to set the degree of each note, so you could have an arpeggiated sequence like I-I-I-III-V-III-I (which transposes based on the 'root' you hit). This would make it possible to do neat poly-rhythmic bass lines etc. Hello! I recently sold my Virus A for a Virus kb and can anyone share their experience (s) that is similar to mine in terms of whether the trade was worth making? I still haven't received my kb yet let alone heard it! Ta! ((((OpeaceM))))Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is ... SUCCESSFUL. So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) Soon to be worldwide, CRISPY __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI'm sorry I shouldn't have spouted off like that. I guess I was just whining cuz I couldn't justify spending on it :-) Don't let my spew make you think i don't love Access and what you guys make. Obviously I'm buying into your product line :-) However I do have that fatar keyboard you speak of in my Kawai K500S, which cost me $450, so it is under $1500 total cost for my "Pretend KB" version... but "MY" version of the Virus KB has additive synth engine and very nice arppegiator as a bonus. :-P hehe ---- reading ahead to other messages..... I see Jack (RobotFarm) says he found the KB ver for $1579... that is what I would say is totally realistic price ! Once it hits over 1600 dollar mark, I think it crosses my threshold. I still think I'll go with the B and a Xbase09 and get more bang for my buck considering I do already have decent fatar keys to use. But ohhh god, I'm reeeeeallllly tempted to get the KB now!... hmmm might have to rethink all this. If I woulda known this a few weeks ago before I started to research how I'm putting my next lump of money into my little studio, I would not have looked into the jomox drum machine, I woulda went with the Virus Kb and not researched any other options. But I do really want that drum box now that I have researched. :-) Hmmm maybe I should sell that Kawai with the Virus to my buddy, and get the KB Virus and the Xbase09 with that money hehe... best fo both worlds... hmmm decisions.... Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Guido Kirsch To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Friday, February 04, 2000 9:32 AM Subject: VIRUS kb price >>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. > >Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. >Fact is: >- The kb casing costs more than 4 b casings (big wooden parts, >complexer shape than the b) >- You not only need a keyboard (which is one of fatars best synth action and therefore not cheap) but also wheels, a pcb for the >wheels and the aftertouch strip, an extra pcb for the keyboard controller, a pcb for the pedal jacks,... - Than there's the increase in production cost and the bigger >packaging. > >You see, no chance to get it cheaper, unless you take a VIRUS b and build a kb by yourself ... hey, wait ... > >Guido Kirsch >access music electronics If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? Gel-Sol --- chris B wrote: >Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >... SUCCESSFUL. >So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) > >Soon to be worldwide, >CRISPY >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comHi guys, i have a REALLY weird problem, i have the virusB and it WAS just fine, but now i just cant send a midi clock (for the arpegiator) to my virusB, (yes all the setting is fine in cubase vst 3.7) it was just fine before... (before upgrading to OS3.0 revisionB) so i decide to downgrade to OS3.0A but same thing...... the virus just cant play arpegiator anymore when i turn on the midi clock out to the virus......the only solution is to turn it off/on..... BUT no syncronistation..... and when i turn the midi clock on vst to virus.... well same thing..... HELP !!!!!! :( i dont want to return the virus to be repaired....... (it will be tooooooooooo long) PhonofunkCould you please remove this address from your mailing list, if possible. My new email address is jeffursulan@hotmail.com and would like to recieve the mail to that address. Thank-you Jeff Ursulan Oliver wrote: >Hey people > >it seems there will be released a whole bunch of incredible gear this year . I think i will have to beginn saving money . Here are some links : > >http://www.propellerheads.se/reason/index.htm > >http://www.korg.co.jp/products/update_MS2000.html > >www.rolandus.com > >http://www.alesis.com/products/a6/index.htmlHi, as other users have mailed me, my Galaxy module works quite well with 3.0 / Virus b & kb. what is missing, of course, are the new factory sounds - the patches i supply are all old... regards .g.a. PS.: Please note my new e-mail adress; also my homepage will move soon, so i change my website adress as well as the Virus Galaxy site (will be at http://www.members.eunet.at/adler2/virus.htm)Where is John Adrian Holt ? does anyone know. i really need to contact him. thanks in advance, John MachielsenHi ! is this problem still present when the sequencer is running? there was a similar problem some weeks ago on the list! stay fresh jens w. RŽmi Tanguay & Philippe Nadeau schrieb: > >Hi guys, i have a REALLY weird problem, i have the virusB and it WAS just fine, but now i just cant send a midi clock (for the arpegiator) to my virusB, (yes all the setting is fine in cubase vst 3.7) it was just fine before... (before upgrading to OS3.0 revisionB) so i decide to downgrade to OS3.0A but same thing...... the virus just cant play arpegiator anymore when i turn on the midi clock out to the virus......the only solution is to turn it off/on..... BUT no syncronistation..... and when i turn the midi clock on vst to virus.... well same thing..... > >HELP !!!!!! :( > >i dont want to return the virus to be repaired....... (it will be tooooooooooo long) > >Phonofunkthis would be the thing i need the most ! it'll make the virus a lot more powerfull don't u think? Eli.v. On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, anaya wrote: >Can this be done realistically? > > > >Russ Magee wrote: > >> >>Also: I'd like the arpeggiator to have some kind of step-sequencer or something so patterns other than 'up', 'up/down', 'random' etc. may be programmed in. Say up to 16 steps, set each step to trigger a choice of half, quarter, eighth, 16th etc. and be able to set the degree of each note, so you could have an arpeggiated sequence like I-I-I-III-V-III-I (which transposes based on the 'root' you hit). This would make it possible to do neat poly-rhythmic bass lines etc. >> > If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool then donkeys and success. On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: >If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? > >Gel-Sol > >--- chris B wrote: >>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>... SUCCESSFUL. >>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >> >>Soon to be worldwide, >>CRISPY >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >> >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com>if your input patch in on a part <= 4, you can give it some delay (EFFECT SEND), and have the processed delay fed back into the delay bus, which accomplishes the refiltering you're talking about. Yes of course. Thanks for opening my eyes. I just don't understand why this only works on a part <= 4. I thought the only difference between the parts <= 4 and the ones > 4 is the missing chorus in the latter ones. Am I wrong? JšrgFYI: Couldnt find the new Jarre (Metamorphasis) in the states anywhere guys so I ordered from HMV canada mailorder late last night www.hmv.ca/ I also noticed that amazon england had it but figured the wait would be less form HMV canada, canada post depending ? : ) Please note this is a different sounding jarre album form the classics, amny report more a robert miles type of sound so be careful you like first? WeldYes!!! ;-) Richard Lohengrin wrote: >If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool then donkeys and success. > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: > >>If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? >> >>Gel-Sol >> >>--- chris B wrote: >>>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>>... SUCCESSFUL. >>>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >>> >>>Soon to be worldwide, >>>CRISPY >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.comHello! True, when I bought the Virus A (gee, why didn't you guys just call the new one 'prion', so I can keep saying Virus and not Virus A), I found the price rather high. But in comparison with cheaper desktop thingies the quality of the material is better. EG. the Regelwerk has knobs that constantly fall off (remaining an iron pin). I'll lose one one day, I'm sure! By the way, I was wondering: It's all digital until the DA converters: Why not add an ADAT optical output? Out 1-3 L-R and Ext 1 L-R could be routed to it...? And an S/P-DIF for the external input. Dimitri. At 18:25 4-2-00 +0100, you wrote: >>I am disapointed that the KB version is so ridiculously high priced tho. > >Hey, we here at access are dissapointed, too, but it's impossible to offer you the kb at a lower price. >Fact is: >- The kb casing costs more than 4 b casings (big wooden parts, >complexer shape than the b) >- You not only need a keyboard (which is one of fatars best synth action and therefore not cheap) but also wheels, a pcb for the >wheels and the aftertouch strip, an extra pcb for the keyboard controller, a pcb for the pedal jacks,... - Than there's the increase in production cost and the bigger >packaging. >You see, no chance to get it cheaper, unless you take a VIRUS b and build a kb by yourself ... hey, wait ... Guido Kirsch >access music electronicsit happens to me too and i also sampled it... does anyone have a way to overcome it? On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >I remember a while back. Somebody posted about the Virus' attack didn't function properly so his kick drum lacked punch in some notes in his sequence. My Virus b does exactly the same thing. (I am gonna use my sampler to sample the kick from Virus.) But I am still curious why this happens. Anybody? (Chistorph?) > >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com hi all...anyone here interested in buying a virus a ? plz mail me .... i would sell it for about 1700.-Dm cheerz t@nk3 read the answers ; ) Set oscillator init to something else then off and your beat will never change again . Its cause of the free swinging oscs . Oli Eli Vaitzman schrieb: >it happens to me too and i also sampled it... does anyone have a way to overcome it? > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: > >>I remember a while back. Somebody posted about the Virus' attack didn't function properly so his kick drum lacked punch in some notes in his sequence. My Virus b does exactly the same thing. (I am gonna use my sampler to sample the kick from Virus.) But I am still curious why this happens. Anybody? (Chistorph?) >> >>norsez >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com I once owned a Virus A, but sold it for the kb. I had never notice any difference from this so called "Punch" feature. Has it ever worked for anyone? Meow! Eli Vaitzman wrote: >it happens to me too and i also sampled it... does anyone have a way to overcome it? > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000, Norsez Orankijanan wrote: > >>I remember a while back. Somebody posted about the Virus' attack didn't function properly so his kick drum lacked punch in some notes in his sequence. My Virus b does exactly the same thing. (I am gonna use my sampler to sample the kick from Virus.) But I am still curious why this happens. Anybody? (Chistorph?) >> >>norsez >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com Let's do it!!! pokeweed@pipeline.com wrote: >Well, > >There's a guy in the back of this month's keyboard magazine who thinks planetariums AND viruses are cool. Apparently musician Mark Jenkins is taking his virus on the road and doing a planetarium tour. Interesting choice of venues huh? I actually work as a lead animator for a company that designs and engineers planetarium systems and shows for curved screen theaters so I found that article pretty interesting. I always thought it would be cool to do a really high-tech live sound/video/light show in such a venue. > >DeDMaN - pokeweed@home.com > >> >>If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool then donkeys and success. >> >>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: >> >>>If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? >>> >>>Gel-Sol >>> >>>--- chris B wrote: >>>>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>>>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>>>... SUCCESSFUL. >>>>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >>>> >>>>Soon to be worldwide, >>>>CRISPY >>>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com Well, There's a guy in the back of this month's keyboard magazine who thinks planetariums AND viruses are cool. Apparently musician Mark Jenkins is taking his virus on the road and doing a planetarium tour. Interesting choice of venues huh? I actually work as a lead animator for a company that designs and engineers planetarium systems and shows for curved screen theaters so I found that article pretty interesting. I always thought it would be cool to do a really high-tech live sound/video/light show in such a venue. DeDMaN - pokeweed@home.com > >If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool then donkeys and success. > >On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: > >>If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? >> >>Gel-Sol >> >>--- chris B wrote: >>>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>>... SUCCESSFUL. >>>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >>> >>>Soon to be worldwide, >>>CRISPY >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>> >>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com On Sun, 06 Feb 2000 07:52:12 -0800, anaya wrote: >Let's do it!!! I will. I'm playing Jodrell Bank planetarium in April - with my Virus kb as main synth supported by Nord Modular and Polymorph. Should be a hoot! Paul --- Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music email: paul@softroom.co.uk web: www.softroom.co.uk --- Latest CD "Lore" available from www.neuharm.demon.co.ukI guess i hit upon a magic word with mentioning planetarium. We should organize a convention somewhere for everyone to meet who is on this mailing list. We could probably start a political party or at least make some major scientific breakthroughs. I still have a week until my virus b comes to his master so currently my existance is for entertainment purposese only. I must mention though at my planetarium in the digital city (rochester NY) a show about elephants is playing. The last one i saw included the only footage ever captured of people scuba diving inside a glacier. Simply astonishing. _______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com1. Switching to Multimode now crashes my Virus A system. Symptoms: No sound (at all, neither multi nor single), sluggish response to patch changes. Thought of reinstalling the OS (resetting doesn't help) - does this make sense, or is the OS incorruptible? 2. My ASR display (blue Oberheim-style LEDs) is missing a few characters, so I can't edit (just to make my day complete!) Anybody else here had this problem? BTW: All mail from Teklab is double since I unsubscribed and then resubscribed. Jay - any tips?My dad has been the director of a planetarium ata local high school for my entire life, so I've certainly had my fill of planetariums... I've gotten to work the controls and everything... Moho On Sun, 6 Feb 2000, Richard Lohengrin wrote: >I guess i hit upon a magic word with mentioning planetarium. We should organize a convention somewhere for everyone to meet who is on this mailing list. We could probably start a political party or at least make some major scientific breakthroughs. I still have a week until my virus b comes to his master so currently my existance is for entertainment purposese only. I must mention though at my planetarium in the digital city (rochester NY) a show about elephants is playing. The last one i saw included the only footage ever captured of people >scuba diving inside a glacier. Simply astonishing. > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com Hi Zack, >One last thing ... what about sending delay out a separate output (instead of the AUX), and putting that signal thru a guitar wah pedal? >your hands are completely free, and you'll get a lo-fi sound controllable with your foot. Mmmm sounds fun. Cheers, ThomasI may not be describing this feature right, but I'm thinking specifically of my friend's Yamaha AN1X arpeggiator -- it lets you build a little 'mini sequence' and save it as a pattern which the arpeggiator can use. So it should definitely be possible. It would be best if this was a parameter stored in the Multi setup for each part, so you could have these patterns assigned to any patch (as opposed to storing the pattern with the patches themselves). That reminds me of something else; arpeggiator settings are part of the patch itself, not the multi settings, right? I found myself wishing this was also part of the multi profile, so you could quickly switch the patch in a multi, but still have the arpeggiator apply to that new patch. anaya wrote: > >Can this be done realistically? > >Russ Magee wrote: > >> >>Also: I'd like the arpeggiator to have some kind of step-sequencer or something so patterns other than 'up', 'up/down', 'random' etc. may be programmed in. Say up to 16 steps, set each step to trigger a choice of half, quarter, eighth, 16th etc. and be able to set the degree of each note, so you could have an arpeggiated sequence like I-I-I-III-V-III-I (which transposes based on the 'root' you hit). This would make it possible to do neat poly-rhythmic bass lines etc. Yes! Being able to access the arp while in multi mode would be very convenient! The bottom line here for me is the question whether the Virus b/kb is near completion? Say no! Glide, Swing, Gate...Definable knobs... Meow! Russ Magee wrote: >That reminds me of something else; arpeggiator settings are part of the patch itself, not the multi settings, right? I found myself wishing this was also part of the multi profile, so you could quickly switch the patch in a multi, but still have the arpeggiator apply to that new patch. I've had trouble loading the Virus Galaxy module. Whe I double click on it, it simply 'cant find the application' to open it. Any experiences with this. Any tips ?? I'd love to get this to work. Thanx Dan -----Original Message----- From: GŸnther ALBRECHT [mailto:adler@members.at] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2000 4:14 AM To: access-list@teklab.com Subject: Re: Galaxy Librarian Module & 3.0 Hi, as other users have mailed me, my Galaxy module works quite well with 3.0 / Virus b & kb. what is missing, of course, are the new factory sounds - the patches i supply are all old... regards .g.a. PS.: Please note my new e-mail adress; also my homepage will move soon, so i change my website adress as well as the Virus Galaxy site (will be at http://www.members.eunet.at/adler2/virus.htm)Hey, I also have got this problem for more than 2 months now! I wish it would go away! Bye, Valley > >BTW: All mail from Teklab is double since I unsubscribed and then >resubscribed. Jay - any tips? > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI thought I had this problem alone. Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. Just a thought, norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI agree on the OneList.com thing. I also like egroups.com a bit better yet. The nice thing is that you can search the archives, and we get the Virus much more visibility, since the list can be viewed by non-subscribers but they can't post. With as active as the list is, I think it would be good advertising. I'd be one of the first to join up for one of those 2 mailing lists ! I think it's nice to have things web based as it helps the newbies. The egroups.com I don't think even floods your mail box, i think it just keeps all posts online... not sure since I just recently stumbled onto that one and haven't totally investigated it. OneList has a KawaiK5000 list that is good tho. What makes any list great is the people involved in them. The people on this list are really awesome. It's a matter of if people wanna change their routine a bit to support a different list. (Actually it's not supporting a list its supporting each other in my opinion, and the other lists are more visible and easier to use, also my opinion) :-) Have Fun, Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Norsez Orankijanan To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Monday, February 07, 2000 9:23 AM Subject: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today > >I thought I had this problem alone. > >Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. > >Just a thought, >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > > >I thought I had this problem alone. > >Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. > We're fixing the list problems - I discussed the various issues with Access at NAMM, and will have it resolved shortly. Personally I'd vote against Onelist, as a subscriber to the access-list. j.Hey! Is there anyone on this list that owns a Waldorf Q and XT? Also, do you own a Virus b/kb? I have a mwII and am selling it for a XTk and was thinking of just keeping the MWII and getting something different like the Q. But, I haven't heard a Q yet and was wondering if the Q and the Virus b/kb might sound too similar. What do you think? Should I just sell my mwII and get the xtk or keep the mwII and get a Q? Thanks for any advice or info!there's this place in San Francisco called 'Audium' (www.audium.org) . These two old guys started doing it in the '60s with $$$ from a grant from the government. It is a circular room that seats 50 or so people, planetarium-style (naturally), and has something like 160 (!) speakers in it. They can control which sounds go to which speaker in a very precise manner. So I went to this show recently. What a freaking disappointment! The sounds are so *lame* considering today's technology + the capabilities of the room. Just little blips and stuff. It was probably cool in the '60s, the era of the Super-Space Movie, but now it's just embarassing. So I got to thinking ... Any SF Virus-ers out there willing to organize a hostile takeover? We could bring our gear, a computer, and a Boxlight projector and make a *real* show! I don't know anyone who doesn't like to trip ballz to a synchonized sound & light ........ zzzz pokeweed@pipeline.com wrote: > >Well, > >There's a guy in the back of this month's keyboard magazine who thinks planetariums AND viruses are cool. Apparently musician Mark Jenkins is taking his virus on the road and doing a planetarium tour. Interesting choice of venues huh? I actually work as a lead animator for a company that designs and engineers planetarium systems and shows for curved screen theaters so I found that article pretty interesting. I always thought it would be cool to do a really high-tech live sound/video/light show in such a venue. > >DeDMaN - pokeweed@home.com > >> >>If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool then donkeys and success. >> >>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: >> >>>If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? >>> >>>Gel-Sol >>> >>>--- chris B wrote: >>>>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>>>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>>>... SUCCESSFUL. >>>>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >>>> >>>>Soon to be worldwide, >>>>CRISPY >>>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>>> >>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >> >> >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================>Mmmm sounds fun. I LOVE FUN!>>if your input patch in on a part <= 4, you can give it some delay (EFFECT SEND), and have the processed delay fed back into the delay bus, which accomplishes the refiltering you're talking about. > >Yes of course. Thanks for opening my eyes. I just don't understand why this only works on a part <= 4. I thought the only difference between the parts <= 4 and the ones > 4 is the missing chorus in the latter ones. Am I wrong? sorry ... you're absolutely right. I was thinking that delay was only available on the first four parts. I should stop dreaming Virus dreams here at work....... ;-) zs>I once owned a Virus A, but sold it for the kb. I had never notice any difference from this so called "Punch" feature. Has it ever worked for anyone? YES! try this: dial up the - START - patch. make sure AMP ATTACK is at zero. set AMP DECAY to something like 50. now play with the punch setting. You should be able to hear a difference. Also try it with the kickdrum presets. It's subtle ... but in a mix you can feel it. zIm not aware of any problems and Jay has been a loyal host and never asked access or any of us for a penny!! Weld Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >I thought I had this problem alone. > >Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. > >Just a thought, >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comIm not aware of any problems and Jay has been a loyal host and never asked access or any of us for a penny!! Weld Norsez Orankijanan wrote: >I thought I had this problem alone. > >Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. > >Just a thought, >norsez >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comOccasionally I experience a sort of "meltdown" where the machine starts to make a constant "buzzing" sound (sounds like the oscillators click ON with a sawtooth wave...it's that loud..) The only way I can stop it is to turn the machine off. I returned my first VIRUS b to the shop and exchanged it for another one, but it still happens!!!!. Have you heard of this? It only seems to happen when I am running it off the sequencer (in Multi mode), although it is definitely not coming FROM the sequencer...an "all note off" does not make this noise stop, nor does the panic button on the VIRUS itself. It does not show any MIDI being received when this happens...the LED display shows nothing irregular. It could also have nothing to do with Multi mode or running from a sequencer...it's just that I am usually using the VIRUS this way, so the chances of any problem showing up in this mode are higher. THIS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN, as this problem interrupts (EXTREMELY!) everything I am doing!!! I love the sound of that synthesizer, but obviously I can't have this happening. Seeing as it is now happening with my second unit, I would imagine I am not the only on the world that has had this experience. What could cause this, and how do I stop it!!!!???? Could it be as simple as flaky power? None of my other modules (EMU, Yamaha, Alesis) have ever complained... For your information, I am running OS 3.0a, the sequencer is Cubase VST 3.7. Any ideas?I absolutely love the sequencer interface on my ER1. Anyone know if the Sampler unit will have addt'l outputs (more than the 2 the ER1 has)? Will it also combine the step 303 style sequencer or is it strictly drumgrid? Can't wait. JohnI'm in SF and have my virus ready! Chris. ----- Original Message ----- From: Zack Steinkamp To: Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 12:00 PM Subject: Re: ASS+CCE (was SUCCESS minus the S&U add a A) >there's this place in San Francisco called 'Audium' (www.audium.org) . > >These two old guys started doing it in the '60s with $$$ from a grant from the government. > >It is a circular room that seats 50 or so people, planetarium-style (naturally), and has something like 160 (!) speakers in it. They can control which sounds go to which speaker in a very precise manner. > >So I went to this show recently. What a freaking disappointment! > >The sounds are so *lame* considering today's technology + the capabilities of the room. Just little blips and stuff. It was probably cool in the '60s, the era of the Super-Space Movie, but now it's just embarassing. > >So I got to thinking ... Any SF Virus-ers out there willing to organize a hostile takeover? We could bring our gear, a computer, and a Boxlight projector and make a *real* show! I don't know anyone who doesn't like to trip ballz to a synchonized sound & light ........ > >zzzz > >pokeweed@pipeline.com wrote: >> >>Well, >> >>There's a guy in the back of this month's keyboard magazine who thinks planetariums AND viruses are cool. Apparently musician Mark Jenkins is taking his virus on the road and doing a planetarium tour. Interesting choice of venues huh? I actually work as a lead animator for a company that designs and engineers planetarium systems and shows for curved screen theaters so I found that article pretty interesting. I always thought it would be cool to do a really high-tech live sound/video/light show in such a venue. >> >>DeDMaN - pokeweed@home.com >> >>> >>>If you take access and change the letters around it spells planetarium and i >>>don't know anyone who doesn't think planetariums are cool, way more cool >>>then donkeys and success. >>> >>>On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 22:28:22 -0800 (PST), access-list@teklab.com wrote: >>> >>>>If you take the CCE out of Access you get ASS, and donkeys are kinda cool.....anybody with me? >>>> >>>>Gel-Sol >>>> >>>>--- chris B wrote: >>>>>Just thought is was cool if you put a [su] in place of the [a] in >>>>>Access it spells Success! That is exactly what I fell the company is >>>>>... SUCCESSFUL. >>>>>So keep up the great job christoph and friends. I love my Virus (a) >>>>> >>>>>Soon to be worldwide, >>>>>CRISPY >>>>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >>>>Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________________ Get 100% FREE Internet Access powered by Excite Visit http://freeworld.excite.com >>> > >-- >------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 >======================================================this is probably a longshot, but are there any input patches in your multi setup? I sometimes hook up one of my mixer's main outs to the inputs on the virus so I can process a mic or a friend's guitar with the filters and stuff. A couple of times I didn't have all my wits about me (as studio musicians usually do) and inadvertantly set up a nasty input loop, so that the mixer output was going into the virus input, whose output was going to the same mixer. BZZZZZZZZZZ!!! The buzzing sound is startling, and needless to say, I haven't done this since. You can also get some nasty sounds if you set the delay to an extremely small number (5ms?) and a high feedback value. Could one of your other MIDI devices be sending MIDI to your Virus that puts it in a nasty mood? (I suspect only Waldorf products would be so jealous of my Virus ;-) just some thoughts... zs Paddy Ryan wrote: > >Occasionally I experience a sort of "meltdown" where the machine starts to make a constant "buzzing" sound (sounds like the oscillators click ON with a sawtooth wave...it's that loud..) The only way I can stop it is to turn the machine off. I returned my first VIRUS b to the shop and exchanged it for another one, but it still happens!!!!. Have you heard of this? It only seems to happen when I am running it off the sequencer (in Multi mode), although it is definitely not coming FROM the sequencer...an "all note off" does not make this noise stop, nor does the panic button on the VIRUS itself. It does not show any MIDI being received when this happens...the LED display shows nothing irregular. It could also have nothing to do with Multi mode or running from a sequencer...it's just that I am usually using the VIRUS this way, so the chances of any problem showing up in this mode are higher. THIS IS MY BIGGEST CONCERN, as this problem interrupts (EXTREMELY!) everything I am doing!!! > >I love the sound of that synthesizer, but obviously I can't have this happening. Seeing as it is now happening with my second unit, I would imagine I am not the only on the world that has had this experience. What could cause this, and how do I stop it!!!!???? Could it be as simple as flaky power? None of my other modules (EMU, Yamaha, Alesis) have ever complained... >For your information, I am running OS 3.0a, the sequencer is Cubase VST 3.7. > >Any ideas? -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================if you want something weird, try this: 1) start with a simple sound (e.g. A127 - START -) 2) put one of the LFOs (let's say LFO1) in sawtooth mode 3) LFO1 KEYTRIGger :: 127, speed ~20 (play with this one) 4) Assign1 Source :: LFO1 5) Assign1 Dest :: Delay Time, amount +63 6) Delay Clock :: off 7) Delay Time :: 0.0 ms 8) Delay Feedback :: ~ 90 (play with this one) Turn down the volume on your mixer (this can get loud), and press and hold a note. YIPES! watch out Aphex Twin... ;-) zs>Im not aware of any problems and Jay has been a loyal host and never asked access or any of us for a penny!! >Weld Amen! Keep it in the family. Jay & TekLab has been nice to us. I'm not going to move. -zsme neither! weld Zack Steinkamp wrote: >men! Keep it in the family. > >. I'm not going to move. > >-zsi agree. i have no problems with this list the way it is. if it ain't broke, don't fix it. cam freon At 10:17 AM 2/7/00 -0800, you wrote: >> >> >>I thought I had this problem alone. >> >>Just a suggestion. Not to say that Jay's server is bad or anything. I am sure he can solve all these problems. But what if we all move to Onelist.com? I subscribe to many lists there and everything seems to work pretty fine. >> > >We're fixing the list problems - I discussed the various issues with Access at NAMM, and will have it resolved shortly. > >Personally I'd vote against Onelist, as a subscriber to the access-list. > >j. > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=I don't think moving is a great idea. The list is very popular, but not to an extent that it would be as visible if it were moved. The only criticism I wholeheartedly support is about my less-than-perfect archive of the mailinglist (you guys *are* aware that an archive does exist, don't you? it's on my page at http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/listarchive!) Problem is you can only download entire months of messages (because I move the archives by hand) and it uses freefind (a great free archive indexer) to search the archive. I guess this could be a whole lot better, but it works. the list works nicely too and I think since you all speak of support, let's support Teklab, a provider of many free services to the internet music community! think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Do we have any Industrial/D&B/Hardcore virus users around here who have their Virus sounds up on the net? Somebody I know is interested in hearing how Virus does this kind of sounds. I don't do Industrial/D&B/Hardcore so he didn't seem to convince that the Virus is capable of that when I showed it to him. Please send me your URLs. Thank you very much. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.comI'm involved in drum'n'bass stuffs as a composer and remixer so I can tell your friend that the virus can provide everything from ultra punchy subbass to etheral pads and metallic effects. Unfortunately I've no site for the moment featuring such sounds but you may find some either at teklab or canine. If you can't get that kind of materials on these sites, I'll send you some patches via e-mail (I'm really a nice guy, sometimes...) ;) ____________________________ http://www.worldonline.fr/I'm pretty sure cymotec cyclone use a virus. their song "wissen ist angst" is in the kmfdm/fla vein and you can get it at mp3.com. cam freon At 04:40 AM 2/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >Do we have any Industrial/D&B/Hardcore virus users around here who have their Virus sounds up on the net? Somebody I know is interested in hearing how Virus does this kind of sounds. I don't do >Industrial/D&B/Hardcore so he didn't seem to convince that the Virus is capable of that when I showed it to him. Please send me your URLs. Thank you very much. > >norsez > > >__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? >Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ check out the freon website at www.mp3.com/freon join the freon mailing list by replying to this mail and saying you want to =:-|=This whole thing is bringing up a concern to me. Why are people feeling so latched on to the list if they recognise problems, and there is a solution? One guy says "if its not broke don't fix it", so for him, his desire to not move makes sense (almost). But the fact of the matter is, that it is broken often. If it wasn't we wouldn't keep seeing people asking to unsubscribe cuz they can't figure it out. For 8 months I was unable to upload to the list and I was not the only person. Worst part was I was given up on about the issue since it couldn't be resolved. (The way it got fixed was when Jay had to clear all the filters etc a few months back, and then people complained about spammers... at least that is what I recalled he did.) and it inadvertantly got me and a few others on the list for both sending and recieving data. So how many great guys are out there with more knowledge than the rest of us, and can help the rest of us with Virus knowledge? People who are not on the list because it's difficult to subscribe and they are used to easier systems? Do people's egos feel threatened by this? I hope not. I hope those with experience aren't so arrogant as to think they know all there is to know. I'm concerned about why some of the best people on this list as far as Virus knowledge goes, are very stubborn about moving to a place we might have a more effective list? (I only said might, I'm not promising it IS the solution.) The only real reasons given have been to support Jay. And while Jay has been an extremely helpful guy in most cases, and doing alot of work on his own time for this, the point is to have a great community of Virus users not to support one guy's efforts. (Not sure why someone mentioned he doesn't charge us for this, when there are obviously free solutions like onelist.) It's easy to say "we have a great community"... but isn't that just like saying "we don't want it any better"? What if Access didn't explore other ways of improving the Virus? When we had Virus A models we thought that was the cat's meow, until people bought B models. Or is list issue a control thing? Do certain people feel they have would loose control of the information on this list? What is the purpose of control anyway? I'm just trying to figure out the reasons behind this strong desire to not explore better options. (not to say one list is better in this message, but I'm hearing people basically sounding very closed minded.) Lets not become complacent, lets "think different". If we always do what we always did, we'll always get what we've always done. This will no doubt upset some people as Norsez and I seem to have poked a nerve. But the point of this is not to poke nerves, it's to make sure that we are all here to help others and grow a community around this synth and share experiences about it, and not around our own personal wants... it's this beautiful sounding machine that brings us together. It's about the machine... not us... It's not a closed poker game of buddies. Though argueably, the community is us, but we are we, with our without the machine.... the one thing we all share in common is a love for the Virus and a desire to use it for all it's worth, and to explore it together. Again, I'm NOT writing this to start a flame, my point is to make sure we are helping others and not slipping into a mode of holding the information about the Virus hostage. Maybe after we explore other alternatives we will decide this list is best, but seems we should explore what is best for Access, us, and every other customer not on the list... we should always be working to improve things for the right reasons, and working together (Access and the customer base). Just my opions, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to change my mind if I am. Kintama -----Original Message----- From: K.9 Kai Niggemann To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today >I don't think moving is a great idea. The list is very popular, but not to an extent that it would be as visible if it were moved. > >The only criticism I wholeheartedly support is about my less-than-perfect archive of the mailinglist (you guys *are* aware that an archive does exist, don't you? it's on my page at http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/listarchive!) > >Problem is you can only download entire months of messages (because I move the archives by hand) and it uses freefind (a great free archive indexer) to search the archive. > >I guess this could be a whole lot better, but it works. > >the list works nicely too and I think since you all speak of support, let's support Teklab, a provider of many free services to the internet music community! > >think different! > >Canine > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. >but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hello Frederic, i'm also in the same scene, making drumnbass and some electro industrial. if you would be so kind as to send me some patches, i would greatly appreciate it. i can also send you to this website : http://virus.k29.nu it is The Virus Patchpoint, a website i created, and it now features automatic patch upload and database archiving. but if you want, i can also upload your sounds to it, as i have a direct connection to the network that machine is on. please visit the site, and maybe contribute some sounds to it. thanks in advance, John Machielsen frederic harster wrote: >I'm involved in drum'n'bass stuffs as a composer and remixer so I can tell your friend that the virus can provide everything from ultra punchy subbass to etheral pads and metallic effects. Unfortunately I've no site for the moment featuring such sounds but you may find some either at teklab or canine. If you can't get that kind of materials on these sites, I'll send you some patches via e-mail (I'm really a nice guy, sometimes...) ;) > >____________________________ >http://www.worldonline.fr/i think this discussion is nonsens. i m subscribed to this list for i guess 2 years now and all in all in all i can say that everything works fine. i like the way it works and jay s a good friendly supervisor! i don t wanna miss this. so fu*k that onelist or these other NICE lists. it s good to have those musical-specialized lists like teklab and i will prefer them all the time. i also think that most people who have got problems do NOT realy read the instructions to (un-)subscribe. i don t have any problems. okay sometimes there was a fault on the server but jay corrected it everytime fast! so let s stay please. ciao kanouOn Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:32:29 -0800, "Kintama" wrote: >Just my opions, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to change my mind if I am. It doesn't much matter to me either way. I find Onelist pretty good, this one has the advantage the Access themselves are subscribed. Personally, whenever I post anything here I get a couple of error messages back. Other than that it works so I have no strong feelings one way or the other... Paul --- Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music email: paul@softroom.co.uk web: www.softroom.co.uk --- Latest CD "Lore" available from www.neuharm.demon.co.ukWell, part of the problem is the people having problems on this list can't post. I am also on Jay's a3000 list and one day outta the blue I was not allowed to post. When I tried to unsubscribe and then resub. I got double posts. I have been trying to unsub from that list now for over 2 months with no luck and no response from jay. This has nothing to do with me not being able to read or follow simple directions. Jay is a very busy person and I don't blame him at all for the problems or not having time to fix it, but the truth is he is hosting a buggy list server. If you are not experiencing any of these problems consider yourself lucky, but don't assume they are all people who can't read a simple line on a web site. chris In a message dated 2/8/00 1:21:03 PM, Kanou@gmx.net writes: <>This was a good one . I personally am not very interested in a move . But im surprised about some peoples agressivity and lack of comunication ability not only in this thread . Take life easy , youll enjoy it longer .... So keep on smilin Oli Kintama schrieb: >This whole thing is bringing up a concern to me. Why are people feeling so latched on to the list if they recognise problems, and there is a solution? One guy says "if its not broke don't fix it", so for him, his desire to not move makes sense (almost). But the fact of the matter is, that it is broken often. If it wasn't we wouldn't keep seeing people asking to unsubscribe cuz they can't figure it out. For 8 months I was unable to upload to the list and I was not the only person. Worst part was I was given up on about the issue since it couldn't be resolved. (The way it got fixed was when Jay had to clear all the filters etc a few months back, and then people complained about spammers... at least that is what I recalled he did.) and it inadvertantly got me and a few others on the list for both sending and recieving data. > >So how many great guys are out there with more knowledge than the rest of us, and can help the rest of us with Virus knowledge? People who are not on the list because it's difficult to subscribe and they are used to easier systems? Do people's egos feel threatened by this? I hope not. I hope those with experience aren't so arrogant as to think they know all there is to know. > >I'm concerned about why some of the best people on this list as far as Virus knowledge goes, are very stubborn about moving to a place we might have a more effective list? (I only said might, I'm not promising it IS the solution.) The only real reasons given have been to support Jay. And while Jay has been an extremely helpful guy in most cases, and doing alot of work on his own time for this, the point is to have a great community of Virus users not to support one guy's efforts. (Not sure why someone mentioned he doesn't charge us for this, when there are obviously free solutions like onelist.) > >It's easy to say "we have a great community"... but isn't that just like saying "we don't want it any better"? What if Access didn't explore other ways of improving the Virus? When we had Virus A models we thought that was the cat's meow, until people bought B models. Or is list issue a control thing? Do certain people feel they have would loose control of the information on this list? What is the purpose of control anyway? I'm just trying to figure out the reasons behind this strong desire to not explore better options. (not to say one list is better in this message, but I'm hearing people basically sounding very closed minded.) > >Lets not become complacent, lets "think different". If we always do what we always did, we'll always get what we've always done. > >This will no doubt upset some people as Norsez and I seem to have poked a nerve. But the point of this is not to poke nerves, it's to make sure that we are all here to help others and grow a community around this synth and share experiences about it, and not around our own personal wants... it's this beautiful sounding machine that brings us together. It's about the machine... not us... It's not a closed poker game of buddies. Though argueably, the community is us, but we are we, with our without the machine.... the one thing we all share in common is a love for the Virus and a desire to use it for all it's worth, and to explore it together. > >Again, I'm NOT writing this to start a flame, my point is to make sure we are helping others and not slipping into a mode of holding the information about the Virus hostage. Maybe after we explore other alternatives we will decide this list is best, but seems we should explore what is best for Access, us, and every other customer not on the list... we should always be working to improve things for the right reasons, and working together (Access and the customer base). > >Just my opions, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to change my mind if I am. > >Kintama > >-----Original Message----- >From: K.9 Kai Niggemann To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today > >>I don't think moving is a great idea. The list is very popular, but not to an extent that it would be as visible if it were moved. >> >>The only criticism I wholeheartedly support is about my less-than-perfect archive of the mailinglist (you guys *are* aware that an archive does exist, don't you? it's on my page at http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/listarchive!) >> >>Problem is you can only download entire months of messages (because I move the archives by hand) and it uses freefind (a great free archive indexer) to search the archive. >> >>I guess this could be a whole lot better, but it works. >> >>the list works nicely too and I think since you all speak of support, let's support Teklab, a provider of many free services to the internet music community! >> >>think different! >> >>Canine >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. >>but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ Hi Paddy, >Occasionally I experience a sort of "meltdown" where the machine starts to make a constant "buzzing" sound (sounds like the oscillators click >ON with a sawtooth wave...it's that loud..) The only way I can stop it is >to turn the machine off. (....) Have your heard of this? Unfortunately, mine B has been doing exactly the same thing. >It only seems to happen when I am running it off the sequencer (in Multi >mode), although it is definitely not coming FROM the sequencer...an "all >note off" does not make this noise stop, nor does the panic button on the >VIRUS itself. Mine has only done this in MULTI mode. Sometimes it will go for hours with no problem- then it will do it 4 or 5 times in 5 minutes. On mine, nothing responds- for example, the volume control has absolutely no effect. The only way to stop it is to turn the Virus off. >It does not show any MIDI being received when this happens...the LED display shows nothing irregular. Yes! Exactly. The first time it happened, it really threw me was when I turned the volume down on the Virus it didn't disappear so I assumed the problem was connection or mixer related. >(....) Could it be as simple as flaky power? I have no idea? Hopefully, that would be an easy fix. >None of my other modules (EMU, Yamaha, Alesis) have ever complained... When it has happened to me none of my equipment has been effected either. >For your information, I am running OS 3.0a, the sequencer is Cubase VST 3.7. For the record I am running OS3.0a too. It has occurred with a couple different PC based sequencers and several different MIDI interfaces (MPU 401, Creative Lab's Sound Blaster MIDI joystick port, Key Electronic Midiator and a MOTU PC Express). It is also not a MIDI loop. Good luck, Mike ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.Whoa - we've got a regular rebellion in process here! Personally, I have had no real issues with this list, but I'm not particularly attached to it either. I suspect however that making a move would require a fair amount of inertia - I don't see it happening unless most people are genuinely dissatisfied. And lets face it - a split list would suck for everyone. I am curious, though - what are Teklab's motivations for running the list? Is it just a cool service that they provide out of the goodness of their hearts? I don't know anything about Teklab so it's not like they're really getting any advertising out of it. Don't know why they run it but I really appreciate it. I see that I have solved nothing here so will now take my leave... -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today Author: Non-HP-paul (paul@softroom.co.uk) at HP-Boise,mimegw6 Date: 2/8/00 10:33 AM On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:32:29 -0800, "Kintama" wrote: >Just my opions, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to change my mind if I am. It doesn't much matter to me either way. I find Onelist pretty good, this one has the advantage the Access themselves are subscribed. Personally, whenever I post anything here I get a couple of error messages back. Other than that it works so I have no strong feelings one way or the other... Paul --- Paul Nagle / Soft Room Music email: paul@softroom.co.uk web: www.softroom.co.uk --- Latest CD "Lore" available from www.neuharm.demon.co.ukWell, I've received some help in the area of maintaining the list servers here on TekLab in the last few days, and so you guys should be seeing the results shortly. Stay tuned - I'm confident that moron (of a3k-list fame) can help us settle things down, and in my view this is a far better solution than moving to onelist -- the fact that a *member* of our user community is helping to refine things means far more to me than just moving over to a corporation designed to collect email addresses, such as onelist... j. At 01:34 PM 02/08/2000 -0500, you wrote: Well, part of the problem is the people having problems on this list can't post. I am also on Jay's a3000 list and one day outta the blue I was not allowed to post. When I tried to unsubscribe and then resub. I got double posts. I have been trying to unsub from that list now for over 2 months with no luck and no response from jay. This has nothing to do with me not being able to read or follow simple directions. Jay is a very busy person and I don't blame him at all for the problems or not having time to fix it, but the truth is he is hosting a buggy list server. If you are not experiencing any of these problems consider yourself lucky, but don't assume they are all people who can't read a simple line on a web site. chris In a message dated 2/8/00 1:21:03 PM, Kanou@gmx.net writes: <> j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html At 11:22 AM 02/08/2000 -0800, you wrote: I am curious, though - what are Teklab's motivations for running the list? Is it just a cool service that they provide out of the goodness of their hearts? I don't know anything about Teklab so it's not like they're really getting any advertising out of it. Don't know why they run it but I really appreciate it. I run these music related lists because I'm also a musician, using the same gear. I have an Access Virus, and I gain a lot out of being able to help other Virus users around the world, personally. There's no commercial reason for these lists, nor will there ever be. I make my living developing custom software solutions, such as CTI servers, web-based internal app systems, etc. Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html cool thanks Jay! now please turn on the spycam... -zs >I run these music related lists because I'm also a musician, using the same gear. I have an Access Virus, and I gain a lot out of being able to help other Virus users around the world, personally. > >There's no commercial reason for these lists, nor will there ever be. I make my living developing custom software solutions, such as CTI servers, web-based internal app systems, etc. > >Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use.Hey, Jay, I really appreciate what you have own for us all. I can't wait until the list function properly soon. Thanks a lot to you and moron. (Is that what he likes to be called?) About moving, I originally thought it would be great if we moved there because then you would not have to spend your time and money on monitoring the list, which in a way is unfair. I am sorry that I might have made you feel like I do not appreciate nor help fixing the list. Honestly, my first intention was just a quick change and everybody is happy. As for as Onelist being a spam, I am not sure if you are referring to the same Onelist that I subscribed to almost 10 lists since they just started. I never get any spam emails whatsoever. In fact, I don't understand either why Onelist is doing what they do when they don't spam my email address. Anyway, once again, I do appreciate what you are doing. I am sure when the list working properly, this thread would worth as much as a spam email. :) norsez norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com>Do we have any Industrial/D&B/Hardcore virus users around here who have their Virus sounds up on the net? Somebody I know is interested in hearing how Virus does this kind of sounds. I don't do >Industrial/D&B/Hardcore so he didn't seem to convince that the Virus is capable of that when I showed it to him. Please send me your URLs. Thank you very much. Tell your friend that Ed Ruch & Optical are rumored to use a virus... if he's a dnb guy that should convince him. -GabeHi, is there anyone one this list that owns both a Virus and a Waldorf Q? Can you tell me about the differences in the sound? I haven't heard a Q yet, but think it would be a nice synth to have as well. Thanks! (((OpeaceM))) Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. That right there is a scary thought - if that is indeed true then I'd definitely change my neutral stance to that of staying here. -Dennis www.mp3.com/subgenius >>Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. Sory to disagree, but I'm admin for the Emagic lists (all in all close to 4000 people when we combine all lists) and none of us has ever received any spam. Onelist explicitely says it does NOT use email addresses in a commercial way. As for Teklab: it works great, so why change a winning team??? I'd stay at Teklab since people now know this location. Cheers, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysAt 10:10 PM 02/08/2000 +0100, you wrote: >>Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. Sory to disagree, but I'm admin for the Emagic lists (all in all close to 4000 people when we combine all lists) and none of us has ever received any spam. Onelist explicitely says it does NOT use email addresses in a commercial way. It doesn't use them, but some of its affiliates do - you *do* get spam, though, don't you? It won't be from onelist, sure, but have you looked at their affiliate program? j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html anaya wrote: > >Hi, is there anyone one this list that owns both a Virus and a Waldorf Q? Can you tell me about the differences in the sound? I haven't heard a Q yet, but think it would be a nice synth to have as well. I own both a virus A and a Q - they are both quite nice I think the virus B has the most bang for the buck, but the the Q has overall more potential ( note - potential - not yet realized ). as far as sound goes - they are quite comparable, the virus is more polished - the Q has some more "very unique" sounds there is a new version of the Q os - 1.2 that adds lots of new stuff including a vocoder ( finally ) and more effects and tweaks ... If I had to get one, and money was an issue - I would get a virus b - djp>>>>Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for >>running >>>>lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. I've subscribed to 3 Onelist lists and receive no more spam then before I subbed to them...almost no spam thank god. Also had no problems with Teklab even with unsubbing and subbing again, so no complaints there either. Marcel Music-page :http://home.wxs.nl/~m1engels Email :fsp@wxs.nlHey Jay, >It doesn't use them, but some of its affiliates do - you *do* get spam, though, don't you? No spam yet over here.... >It won't be from onelist, sure, but have you looked at their affiliate program? No, tell me: where can I find info? I'm highly interested as I want to protect the Emagic subscribers from any sort of Spam. I haven't received any spam yet myself. Thanks for any info you can give!!! Ciao, Joeri -- Joeri Vankeirsbilck joeri@belway.com List-admin Logic-users/SoundD*ver-users/Logic-TDM http://www.belway.com - Belway Productions http://www.nbdj.com - Natural Born DeejaysThe list is staying where it is as along as Jay hosts it. Plain and simple, live with it. Now go make some music! and stop wasting bandwidth with this nonsense! Weld, Kintama wrote: >This whole thing is bringing up a concern to me. Why are people feeling so latched on to the list if they recognise problems, and there is a solution? One guy says "if its not broke don't fix it", so for him, his desire to not move makes sense (almost). But the fact of the matter is, that it is broken often. If it wasn't we wouldn't keep seeing people asking to unsubscribe cuz they can't figure it out. For 8 months I was unable to upload to the list and I was not the only person. Worst part was I was given up on about the issue since it couldn't be resolved. (The way it got fixed was when Jay had to clear all the filters etc a few months back, and then people complained about spammers... at least that is what I recalled he did.) and it inadvertantly got me and a few others on the list for both sending and recieving data. > >So how many great guys are out there with more knowledge than the rest of us, and can help the rest of us with Virus knowledge? People who are not on the list because it's difficult to subscribe and they are used to easier systems? Do people's egos feel threatened by this? I hope not. I hope those with experience aren't so arrogant as to think they know all there is to know. > >I'm concerned about why some of the best people on this list as far as Virus knowledge goes, are very stubborn about moving to a place we might have a more effective list? (I only said might, I'm not promising it IS the solution.) The only real reasons given have been to support Jay. And while Jay has been an extremely helpful guy in most cases, and doing alot of work on his own time for this, the point is to have a great community of Virus users not to support one guy's efforts. (Not sure why someone mentioned he doesn't charge us for this, when there are obviously free solutions like onelist.) > >It's easy to say "we have a great community"... but isn't that just like saying "we don't want it any better"? What if Access didn't explore other ways of improving the Virus? When we had Virus A models we thought that was the cat's meow, until people bought B models. Or is list issue a control thing? Do certain people feel they have would loose control of the information on this list? What is the purpose of control anyway? I'm just trying to figure out the reasons behind this strong desire to not explore better options. (not to say one list is better in this message, but I'm hearing people basically sounding very closed minded.) > >Lets not become complacent, lets "think different". If we always do what we always did, we'll always get what we've always done. > >This will no doubt upset some people as Norsez and I seem to have poked a nerve. But the point of this is not to poke nerves, it's to make sure that we are all here to help others and grow a community around this synth and share experiences about it, and not around our own personal wants... it's this beautiful sounding machine that brings us together. It's about the machine... not us... It's not a closed poker game of buddies. Though argueably, the community is us, but we are we, with our without the machine.... the one thing we all share in common is a love for the Virus and a desire to use it for all it's worth, and to explore it together. > >Again, I'm NOT writing this to start a flame, my point is to make sure we are helping others and not slipping into a mode of holding the information about the Virus hostage. Maybe after we explore other alternatives we will decide this list is best, but seems we should explore what is best for Access, us, and every other customer not on the list... we should always be working to improve things for the right reasons, and working together (Access and the customer base). > >Just my opions, I could be wrong, and I'm willing to change my mind if I am. > >Kintama > >-----Original Message----- >From: K.9 Kai Niggemann To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 3:08 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today > >>I don't think moving is a great idea. The list is very popular, but not to an extent that it would be as visible if it were moved. >> >>The only criticism I wholeheartedly support is about my less-than-perfect archive of the mailinglist (you guys *are* aware that an archive does exist, don't you? it's on my page at http://www.muenster.de/~canine/virus/listarchive!) >> >>Problem is you can only download entire months of messages (because I move the archives by hand) and it uses freefind (a great free archive indexer) to search the archive. >> >>I guess this could be a whole lot better, but it works. >> >>the list works nicely too and I think since you all speak of support, let's support Teklab, a provider of many free services to the internet music community! >> >>think different! >> >>Canine >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. >>but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Well, I've received some help in the area of maintaining the list servers here on TekLab in the last few days, and so you guys should be seeing the results shortly Thanks, Jay - that's what I like to hear! (I'm still getting everything double)At 9:32 AM -0800 on 08.02.2000 Kintama wrote: This whole thing is bringing up a concern to me. Why are people feeling so latched on to the list if they recognise problems, and there is a solution? I am on the logic-users list and that list is hosted by onelist. All I know is that there is an administrator there as well and he has a lot to do to keep the list running. Any person running a list in their spare time is bound to have other priorities every now and then and if we move listservers evertime that happens, we are bound to be the best hidden email list on the entire net... I do think different, Kintama but I am still in favor of staying with teklab! This list has many people, last not least Access (at least 4 people of Access are subscribed and listening to this list). If we screw around they might get annoyed and not move with us. that would be a great loss for the list and all virus users, on the list and off...! think different! Canine ------------------------------------------------------------------------ canine@waf80.de good night europe. but, how to pronounce dot eu? http://www.waf80.de/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ I have had a virus from day 1 and a virus b keyboard now resides as one of the highlights of my studio. I had the opprotunity to trial a Q for 10 days and ended up returning it to the dealer. I would say the Q sounded more modeled than the Virus, and my particuliar unit was going through some software troubles. Best Regards Weld anaya wrote: >Hi, is there anyone one this list that owns both a Virus and a Waldorf Q? Can you tell me about the differences in the sound? I haven't heard a Q yet, but think it would be a nice synth to have as well. > >Thanks! > >(((OpeaceM))) > hi Jim ... If you want the *same* apps running on two machines, so that when you do something on one machine, you can also see it on the other, you can get software from here: http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/ VNC is open, free software that allows one computer to view and control the other computer. It's a lot like a basic version of PC-Anywhere (if you're familiar with that) -- only completely FREE. I use it to look at my UNIX machine here at work from my NT machine, and vice versa. They have a Mac version ... so you could use that between your two Macs. Now, if you just want to share files/programs between the two computers, you can use the built-in MacOC networking stuff. Regardless, you'll want to hook both computers up via Ethernet. Either: 1) buy a hub and two regular ethernet cables (about $100) 2) buy a special "patch" cable (pins 2 & 3 on one end are reversed) and hook the two computers up directly. (about $10) Personally, I'd go the $10 route, unless you had more than 2 computers, then a hub is essential. -zs bigw wrote: > >Could someone explain the basic of mac networking or ethernet to me?? For instance Id like to run the same copy of Logic audio or other programs on a g3-350 and a mac laptop i have, so i can have the laptop at my keyboard station and g3 at my mixing station using the sampe applications is this possibble and what do I need??? >Many Thx >Jim > >Peter Korsten wrote: > >>From: "Rob" >> >>>I hate to be upfront, but what credentials do you have say such a thing? I >>have seen this sort of thing at work in all my years of industry, with various types of processors in plasma televisions, DVDs, power supplies, etc.. >> >>None, as you might have guessed. It's just that I haven't seen it in the past seventeen years, but then again I've focussed on computers and not the areas you mention. (Which was the original subject, BTW.) It's based on personal observation, as are most of my statements. >> >>>You have a third prong on the plug of your puter: all energy is shunted to >>ground, that's why its there. >> >>Where I come from, it's used to detect if you have a power leakage over the devices case (in which case the power will be shut off). I wouldn't want to connect it to earth, for instance. I don't know what it does in other countries. >> >>>Besides, I don't propose that the heat sink sits on the PINS of your >>processor! >> >>No, of course not. But let's just say that I'm not very comfortable that there's an electrical contact between the devices case and the top of my processor. even if it's ceramic. And I don't trust every power outlet I see. >> >>>It sits on the very top of your processor... No danger there. I would prove >>it, but I would rather not make a teachers salary. Read some books about the subject. >> >>Well, you're really encouraging me here. Would you read a document about nettiquete if I read such a book? >> >>- Peter -- ------------------------------------------------------ Zack Steinkamp Technical Yahoo 408.530.5372 ======================================================Ahh see now that is a very good reason I'd not wanna go that way. I didn't know they did that. That is all I was wanting was people to have good reasons for why we choose what we choose. So that we have the best possible solution to keeping the community together. Like I said I could have been wrong, and I am. And since you mention 'moron' helping out I think that is great that we keep things going as smooth as we can for those that have experienced problems. I think Access would jump on any list to help out as it's good for them as much as us, so I wasn't concerned about loosing them.... they are great about keeping up with everyone. I personally would have been on both lists, as I've been involved in dual lists in the past (never want to miss any info on something I'm interested in). I aggree that having a split does cause problems sometimes with one group looking down on the other group... and that certainly doesn't help anyone. Sorry I ticked some of you off. Wasn't my intention. Kintama -----Original Message----- From: Jay Vaughan To: access-list@teklab.com Date: Tuesday, February 08, 2000 11:45 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today >At 11:22 AM 02/08/2000 -0800, you wrote: >>I am curious, though - what are Teklab's motivations for running the >>list? Is it just a cool service that they provide out of the goodness >>of their hearts? I don't know anything about Teklab so it's not like >>they're really getting any advertising out of it. Don't know why they >>run it but I really appreciate it. > > >I run these music related lists because I'm also a musician, using the same gear. I have an Access Virus, and I gain a lot out of being able to help other Virus users around the world, personally. > >There's no commercial reason for these lists, nor will there ever be. I make my living developing custom software solutions, such as CTI servers, web-based internal app systems, etc. > >Onelist, on the other hand, are a spam haven, and their purpose for running lists is to collect email addresses for further commercial use. > > >j. > >-- >Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com >TekLab | http://www.teklab.com >{UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} >[NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html > Hi guys, Regarding the numerous mails I've received asking for D'n'B patches, I've decided to upload some to http://virus.k29.nu (the recent Patchpoint for Virus) at the end of the week. However, please don't figure that my setup only features a virus... My drumkits, some Fx and additional sounds are mostly created on an Akai S5000 and sometimes passed through the Int of the Virus to perform further realtime processing (I know I shouldn't mention those frozen machines, but each one it's job !). See you. ____________________________ http://www.worldonline.fr/Hi peeps, If I record knob-twiddling on a patch, then play back the whole song, the controller values seem to 'leak' onto patches on the other virus channels (yes I am in multi-mode...) The virus should have no problems playing back knob-controller data on multiple channels simultaniously right? I just can't see what I'm doing wrong, all the output channels are set correctly in Cakewalk - and all the channel properties of each event are correct in the event view. Or do I have to map the controllers to 'assigned controllers' for them to work in multimode? Any insight appreciated. Ta, Andy Visit the Neuroport | www.mp3.com/neuroport Andrew Dick | andy@screamingqueen.comI just completed a version of the studio module driver for Access Virus. Virus-A: Due to the (optional) update of the C/D rom banks the patch names have changed. I will maintain two driver versions for both the old and the new patch names. This could be solved in a single driver version using an additional dump type. Unfortunately you would not be able to re-use patch dumps made with older versions of the driver. This is why we need two driver versions. - Is anyone interested in testing the new version? - Is anyone interested in testing it with VIRUS-B / VIRUS-KB (Paul, are you still beta-testing?) I need your support, otherwise there won't be an official driver version (and Steinberg appears to be very cooperative if you develop drivers...). CU flpAndy, a couple of things you can look at with your leakage: I suspect that you afre echoing the knob movements via your MIDI-OUT or THRU ports, but you can try a couple of things: 1. Unplug your midi-out and -through Does it still happen? If no, you are echo'ing the info, or you are having some kind of 'loop' To rectify change your midi-local settings. 2. Are you playing Cakewalk to a 'dedicated' output port? (port set to 1-16) If your port is set to '-' Wich means ANY data recorded will echo on the port that it was originally recorded from. EXAMPLE: If I record my knob movements FROM CH1, I can play the movements back on CH2 by changing the output port from 1 to 2. BUT if I recorded the knob movements (Which I normally do on CH16) from my FADERMASTER (Same type of machine as a Peavey1600/x) and the channel is set to '-' then the movements will effect CH16's info. 3. Do you run 'HL' or any MIDI SHARING s/w? If you do, check the settings. 4. What release of CWPA/CWP do you use? If 8, upgrade to 8.04 (It is free) If 9, upgrade to 9.01 (It is free) In CWPA9.01 there is some very big advantages upgrading. The first one is a genuine bug, being that sometimes when you 'drag-'n-drop'ed clips, they moved out by one click. Well, have a look at the upgrade page at Cakewalk. ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Dick To: Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 14:49 pm Subject: Knob leakage >Hi peeps, > >If I record knob-twiddling on a patch, then play back the whole song, the controller values seem to 'leak' onto patches on the other virus channels (yes I am in multi-mode...) > >The virus should have no problems playing back knob-controller data on multiple channels simultaniously right? > >I just can't see what I'm doing wrong, all the output channels are set correctly in Cakewalk - and all the channel properties of each event are correct in the event view. > >Or do I have to map the controllers to 'assigned controllers' for them to work in multimode? > >Any insight appreciated. > >Ta, >Andy > >Visit the Neuroport | www.mp3.com/neuroport Andrew Dick | andy@screamingqueen.com > > hello guys I have updated my virus a to OS 2.52. And I do not know, how to use the vocoder properly. In the manual I have read something like "...let a pad speak..." ? Should I send a Voice-Sample to the left input of the virus and a pad-sample to the right input ? thank you regards nicoNo no no. Here, this'll get you started. Put a mike into the input (preferably thru a pre-amp, or mixer w preamps) then go to a vocoder patch (they're in the B bank) like *voc pad* I think is a good one. Talk into the mic while playing some notes. then play with the knobs. You'll figger it out. Peaceout Peter ------Original Message------ From: Nico Grubert To: "access-list@teklab.com" Sent: February 9, 2000 1:50:55 PM GMT Subject: vocoder hello guys I have updated my virus a to OS 2.52. And I do not know, how to use the vocoder properly. In the manual I have read something like "...let a pad speak..." ? Should I send a Voice-Sample to the left input of the virus and a pad-sample to the right input ? thank you regards nico ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.comI've not yet read all the posts re: onelist, so my comments may be echoed elsewhere, but I WILL NOT move because I want to support teklab. Moving to onelist sells all of our emails/ideas to a company that tacks on advertisements and probably has a clause that says they own our words!. I'm quite sure that Jay works very hard to make things run as smoothly as possible. The current list may not be perfect, but myself, I will stay. -Jack ---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------Regarding onelist sending spam... Onelist.com does not send spam, but they do attach commerical messages to every outgoing email to the list. Also, if you read their agreement I'm sure you will soon realize that their business plan is to collect email, information, etc. and later make money off selling it back to the internet (even if it is just from advertisements on the archive search website). I have nothing against capitalism/making-money/etc. but I do think that a community(ie. the virus mailing list) should make an informed choice as to wether they want to "sell out" to a big corporation or stick with a something like teklab which is closer to the feelings/needs of the group. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- phpwebhosting.com - $9.95/month - plain and simple ----------------------------------------------------------------------Yes. According to Jay, the list is going to work properly soon. I am not gonna move anywhere. But I don't understand something... --- "robotfarm.com" wrote: >be echoed elsewhere, but I WILL NOT move because I want to support teklab. How is that supporting teklab. They don't charge you any money. >Moving to onelist sells all of our >emails/ideas to >a company that tacks on advertisements and probably has a clause that >says they own our words!. I am puzzled when a few people raised this issue. Are you on Onelist? Do you get spammed by Onelist and its affiliates? I am on around 10 lists there, and I never get spammed by the server or its affiliates. The most active list that I am on is the MC-505 list (with around 170 members moving from the GrooveSource server last year) never mentioned any spamming problem ever. In fact most of us are very happy with Onelist. (But of course that's because the old server was really terrible. It was down frequently, etc...) Despite of the fact that there was a big discussion about spamming before we actually moved. I myself don't work for Onelist and I am going to stay on Teklab for the Virus list. But I just wanna give credits to good things out there. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com--- "robotfarm.com" > >Regarding onelist sending spam...> >Onelist.com does not send spam, but they do attach commerical messages to >every outgoing email to the list. Also, if you read their agreement I'm That's correct. But you can see those messages only if you enable HTML in your mail reader. norsez __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com-----Original Message----- From: S.G.Clarke@plymouth.ac.uk To: kintama@jps.net Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today > >>The list is staying where it is as along as Jay hosts it. Plain and simple, >>live with it. Now go make some music! and stop wasting bandwidth with this nonsense! >>Weld, > > >Dear Kintama, >I would be grateful if you could forward this message to the Access List for >me. It's a reply to Weld's message (above). I have been unable to post to the >list for a couple of months now and also unable to unsubscribe and resubscribe. > >"I'm all right Jack" is a saying we have in England which means "I'm happy with >the way things are so f--k everyone else." Weld's attitude would seem to typify >this. I actually don't think we should leave tek-lab, as Jay is a sound bloke >and there seems to be no commercial sub text from Tek-lab. O.K. Jay plugs his >A3K stuff sometimes but good luck to him. > >I look forward to everything being straightened out in the near future. > >Steve > >sgclarke@plymouth.ac.uk > > ===================================== I just shrugged off Weld's message, (and one other one from Oli that was slamming my english skills) as they seemed only to be an attack towards me, which is no big deal. Everyone has a right to say what they want, and any feelings I have are ones I decided to have, not influenced by others. It's easy to do, I simply remove the emotion from their words and extract the real data. In the cases of Weld and Oli, I see it boil down to this... they simply don't like the idea of moving, and that opinion is shared by many. That is their choice to have such feelings. But if I have to "filter" data from the words, I don't give it as much value as words without negative emotion, which of course is my choosing to just delete the messages and not bother responding. Don't let things get to ya. :-) For me it doesn't matter what system does the list, as long as we get the most traffic, it's easy for non computer types of people (the people that just like to web browse like mom and dad) to participate with the Virus topics. I don't personally like the idea of getting spammed, but if it's not happening on any other list I don't mind using it. It's like those mac/pc arguements. It's just a tool. There will be a list regardless of who hosts it, the point isn't about that, the point is about the data actually on the list.... the list is simply a tool in my opinion. To be quite honest I use the list for 2 reasons. 1. To help myself. 2. To help others by passing learned knowledge on. Doesn't matter to me who hosts it at all. If everyone is fine here, so be it. Have Fun, JamesCome on , take a translater and read my message again , i said that was a good mail . The only thing i was complaining where the upset answers of some other people and not concerning your mail . Then i added that i dont have any problems so im not that interested in a move . But where youre right is the archive thing : Onelist offers a very good archive , and i didnt get any spam from them , so i would not cry up if there would be a move as some others . And to the big company vs little company thing : I am a consumer and no idealist so whoever has the best solution will get my vote . Oolilli Kintama schrieb: >-----Original Message----- >From: S.G.Clarke@plymouth.ac.uk To: kintama@jps.net >Date: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 4:55 AM Subject: Re: Onelist? was: Trouble in my way today > >> >>>The list is staying where it is as along as Jay hosts it. Plain and >simple, >>>live with it. Now go make some music! and stop wasting bandwidth with this nonsense! >>>Weld, >> >> >>Dear Kintama, >>I would be grateful if you could forward this message to the Access List >for >>me. It's a reply to Weld's message (above). I have been unable to post to >the >>list for a couple of months now and also unable to unsubscribe and >resubscribe. >> >>"I'm all right Jack" is a saying we have in England which means "I'm happy >with >>the way things are so f--k everyone else." Weld's attitude would seem to >typify >>this. I actually don't think we should leave tek-lab, as Jay is a sound >bloke >>and there seems to be no commercial sub text from Tek-lab. O.K. Jay plugs >his >>A3K stuff sometimes but good luck to him. >> >>I look forward to everything being straightened out in the near future. >> >>Steve >> >>sgclarke@plymouth.ac.uk >> >> > >===================================== > >I just shrugged off Weld's message, (and one other one from Oli that was slamming my english skills) as they seemed only to be an attack towards me, which is no big deal. > >Everyone has a right to say what they want, and any feelings I have are ones I decided to have, not influenced by others. It's easy to do, I simply remove the emotion from their words and extract the real data. > >In the cases of Weld and Oli, I see it boil down to this... they simply don't like the idea of moving, and that opinion is shared by many. That is their choice to have such feelings. But if I have to "filter" data from the words, I don't give it as much value as words without negative emotion, which of course is my choosing to just delete the messages and not bother responding. > >Don't let things get to ya. :-) > >For me it doesn't matter what system does the list, as long as we get the most traffic, it's easy for non computer types of people (the people that just like to web browse like mom and dad) to participate with the Virus topics. I don't personally like the idea of getting spammed, but if it's not happening on any other list I don't mind using it. > >It's like those mac/pc arguements. It's just a tool. There will be a list regardless of who hosts it, the point isn't about that, the point is about the data actually on the list.... the list is simply a tool in my opinion. > >To be quite honest I use the list for 2 reasons. 1. To help myself. 2. To help others by passing learned knowledge on. > >Doesn't matter to me who hosts it at all. If everyone is fine here, so be it. > >Have Fun, >JamesAt 09:11 AM 02/09/2000 -0800, you wrote: --- "robotfarm.com" wrote: >be echoed elsewhere, but I WILL NOT move because I want to support teklab. How is that supporting teklab. They don't charge you any money. I think, actually, that what people mean when they say "support TekLab" is more of a spiritual support than a financial one. TekLab is just one person, actually: me, Jay Vaughan. Karma-wise, I certainly gain a bit here and there as a result of my lists - such things as being able to have a coffee with Christopher (from Access) every year at NAMM, etc. It's not paying the bills, but for me that's not the only thing to be gained from helping other musicians - certainly, I have a great collection of music from musicians around the world (http://www.samplelibrary.net/), and I'm happy to help where I can. I'm a firm believer in karmic sensibilities, and I find examples of this process at work every day. I make *no* money from these lists, but the fact that people find them useful and a part of their music-creation process definitely makes a difference to me, personally. I love to see people get helped with some technical problem so they get on with the music creation process, and even better is when I see people passionately conversing about something musical who would normally not give each other any time at all. It actually makes me happy to see that. So perhaps, that's what people say when they mean 'support teklab'. Anyway, the list problems will go away today... we're fixing things right now. j. -- Jay Vaughan | jay@teklab.com TekLab | http://www.teklab.com {UsePGP:[YES] ICQ:[454804] IRC:[EFNet:#teklab/Torpor]} [NetMeeting:Yes] [VideoConferencing:Yes] TekLab SpyCam : http://lab1.teklab.com/~jay/spycam.html At 13:55 2/9/00 +0100, you wrote: I just completed a version of the studio module driver for Access Virus. Virus-A: Due to the (optional) update of the C/D rom banks the patch names have changed. I will maintain two driver versions for both the old and the new patch names. This could be solved in a single driver version using an additional dump type. Unfortunately you would not be able to re-use patch dumps made with older versions of the driver. This is why we need two driver versions. - Is anyone interested in testing the new version? - Is anyone interested in testing it with VIRUS-B / VIRUS-KB (Paul, are you still beta-testing?) I need your support, otherwise there won't be an official driver version (and Steinberg appears to be very cooperative if you develop drivers...). Hi, I'm already using a Studio Module driver (comes from the K9-site, I think) with my Virus A. But I'll be happy to test/use any newer versions. So, using Virus A with 2.52 OS.... Please send me the driver by email, so I can install it and test it. Please let me know on what features/problems/bugs you need feedback. Bye, Erik. _____________________________________________________ Visit my KORG Prophecy Solo Synthesizer Information at http://korgprophecy.musicpage.com ---- "Run like Hell from Glowing Man...!" (Old QUAKIAN saying) ---- chrono@xs4all.nl I hope this will also go for the a3k list Jay. I haven't been able to post there for a couple months now and unsubbing doesn't work. My address for that list is bluedogma@aol.com thanks Chris In a message dated 2/9/00 3:23:57 PM, jay@teklab.com writes: <>It seems that 80% of the list emails are about, replying to emails about, or bitching about list problems. This is not helping anyone create music or learn more about their VIRUS' (and generates way too many emails every day). I personally have not had any problems and don't want to read about everyone else's...sorry but it just doesn't interest me. May I suggest we keep the forum focused on the VIRUS, and if you have list concerns email jay directly at jay@teklab.com? He's the one who can fix it...not everyone else on the list. Just a suggestion..... Regards Paddy>I'm pretty sure cymotec cyclone use a virus. their song "wissen ist angst" >is in the kmfdm/fla vein and you can get it at mp3.com. > >cam >freon > >At 04:40 AM 2/8/00 -0800, you wrote: >>Do we have any Industrial/D&B/Hardcore virus users >>around here who have their Virus sounds up on the net? >>Somebody I know is interested in hearing how Virus >>does this kind of sounds. I don't do >>Industrial/D&B/Hardcore so he didn't seem to convince >>that the Virus is capable of that when I showed it to >>him. Please send me your URLs. Thank you very much. >> >>norsez yep, cymotec cyclone uses a virus. and in the future you will hear even more of the virus creating very harsh industrial sounds. (some patches will be available in the future on the cc web site) the virus is a great piece of gear not only as a synth but also as an effect processor. i strongly could recommend it for making all different styles of industrial music!! btw: i«m now listening to the last vnv nation release «empires«. not pure industrial but kind of heavy EBM with industrial influences ... and they definitely use also a virus. listen for example to their song «saviour«- there they used one of the factory presets. it jumps in your face :) greets from cold germoney, cy p.s. i«m very sorry for the disapperance of the VIRUS WINDOWS EDITOR project bulletin board. but my web hoster has made some changes i couldnt yet react to- but the v.e.p. will be back this month!!!! together with the cc website... (and i already did some coding, though i«m very busy in real life, but i have 59 days left for vacation this year (up to now) :) ) this project WILL release an windows editor for the virus !!!! greets to bushmills malt (10 years old).... old industrial, too :) -- _____________________________________ cymotec cyclone http://www.cymotec.de ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~